Clinton, Obama Clash Over Race Issue

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NEW YORK (AP) - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton suggested Sunday that Barack Obama's campaign had injected racial tension into the presidential contest, saying he had distorted for political gain her comments about Martin Luther King's role in the civil rights movement.

"This is an unfortunate story line the Obama campaign has pushed very successfully," the former first lady said in a spirited appearance on NBC's "Meet the Press.""I don't think this campaign is about gender, and I sure hope it's not about race."

Clinton taped the show before appearances in South Carolina, whose Jan. 26 primary will be the first to include a significant representation of black voters. Blacks were 50 percent of primary voters in the state in 2004 and the number is expected to swell this time.

Both New York Sen. Clinton and her husband, the former president, have engaged in damage control this week after black leaders criticized their comments shortly before the New Hampshire primary last Tuesday.

The senator was quoted as saying King's dream of racial equality was realized only when President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, while Bill Clinton said Illinois Sen. Obama was telling a "fairy tale" about his opposition to the Iraq war.

Former President Clinton has since appeared on several black radio programs to say he was referring to Obama's record on the Iraq war, not on his effort to become the nation's first black president.

As evidence the Obama campaign had pushed the story, Clinton advisers pointed to a memo written by an Obama staffer compiling examples of comments by Clinton and her surrogates that could be construed as racially insensitive. The memo later surfaced on a handful of political Web sites.

Obama later called Clinton's accusations "ludicrous," and said he found Clinton's comments about King to be ill-advised and unfortunate.

"If Senator Clinton wants to be distracted by the sorts of political point-scoring that was evident today then that is going to be her prerogative," Obama said.

Another rival, John Edwards, added his voice to the chorus of criticism of Clinton's comments about King.

"I must say I was troubled recently to see a suggestion that real change that came not through the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King but through a Washington politician. I fundamentally disagree with that," Edwards told more than 200 people gathered at a predominantly black Baptist church in Sumter, S.C.

Later Sunday, the Clinton campaign scrambled to explain comments by one of its top black supporters, BET founder Bob Johnson, that seemed to raise the issue of Obama's admitted teenage drug use.

"I am frankly insulted the Obama campaign would imply that we are so stupid that we would think Hillary and Bill Clinton, who have been deeply and emotionally involved in black issues - when Barack Obama was doing something in the neighborhood; I won't say what he was doing, but he said it in his book - when they have been involved," Johnson said at an event with Clinton in Columbia, S.C.

In his memoir, "Dreams from My Father," Obama described using marijuana and occasionally sampling cocaine as a youth.

The Clinton campaign later released a statement in which Johnson said his comments referred to Obama's years as a community organizer in Chicago.

During the televised interview, Hillary Clinton praised King as one of the people she "admired most in the world," and suggested his record of activism stood in stark contrast to Obama's.

"Dr. King didn't just give speeches. He marched, he organized, he protested, he was gassed, he was beaten, he was jailed," she said, noting King had campaigned for Johnson because he recognized the need to elect a president who could enact civil rights into law.

While Clinton praised Obama's eloquence, she also stepped up her contention that his record did not match his rhetoric.

She noted that while he had spoken out eloquently against the war in 2002 before coming to the Senate, he voted repeatedly to fund the war once in office.

"If you are part of American political history, you know that speeches are essential to frame an issue, to inspire, and lift up," Clinton said. "But when the cameras are gone and when the lights are out, what happens next?"

Obama scoffed at her suggestion of an inconsistent record on the war. Campaigning in Las Vegas, he said he voted for war funding out of an obligation to support the troops, and noted other prominent Democrats, Sens. Edward M. Kennedy and Barbara Boxer, who voted the same way.

"Once we had our troops in, two years into a war, it was important that we do the best job of it," Obama said before speaking at a Pentecostal church. "They have decided to run a relentlessly negative campaign. I don't think anyone who is paying attention can deny that."

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080113/D8U59H2O0.html

[Latrinsorm]

I don't think this campaign is about genderJesus Christ, dude.

[ClydeR]

Obama better be careful with the race issue. The Clintons have many faults, but they are very, very smart about politics. If Obama lets the Clintons trick him into a series of exchanges about race, then he will lose. The more Obama talks about race, the more people will fear that he is like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

[Stanley Burrell]

Obama better be careful with the race issue. The Clintons have many faults, but they are very, very smart about politics. If Obama lets the Clintons trick him into a series of exchanges about race, then he will lose. The more Obama talks about race, the more people will fear that he is like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

Politicians are usually nominated to serve as politicians.

If this was sheerly a race between white guys, my vote would most likely be going to the worst politician for that purpose. Just using the "P" word three times is like summoning the embodiment of Lucifer. I'm'a go shower up.

[Tsa`ah]

Obama better be careful with the race issue. The Clintons have many faults, but they are very, very smart about politics. If Obama lets the Clintons trick him into a series of exchanges about race, then he will lose. The more Obama talks about race, the more people will fear that he is like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

Here's the deal, and I'll spell this out very clearly and slowly for you.

Obama

is

not

and

has

not

made

an

issue

of

race.

His

opponents

and

random

white

nutjobs

have.

[Keller]

Here's the deal, and I'll spell this out very clearly and slowly for you.

Obama

is

not

and

has

not

made

an

issue

of

race.

His

opponents

and

random

white

nutjobs

have.

Did you read the part of the article which talks about the memo from the Obama campaign listing potentially racialy insensitive remarks made by Clinton?

[Tsa`ah]

Did you read the part of the article which talks about the memo from the Obama campaign listing potentially racialy insensitive remarks made by Clinton?

A memo doesn't a campaign make.

[Parkbandit]

A memo doesn't a campaign make.


If you don't believe Obama is playing the race card when it suits him.. I have some swampland in Florida I'll sell you. Granted.. in this case I think the Clintons made a rare political mistake that could bite them down the road... but saying Obama isn't using his race to get votes is like saying Clinton isn't using her gender.

[Tsa`ah]

If you don't believe Obama is playing the race card when it suits him.. I have some swampland in Florida I'll sell you. Granted.. in this case I think the Clintons made a rare political mistake that could bite them down the road... but saying Obama isn't using his race to get votes is like saying Clinton isn't using her gender.

I think you're letting your prejudice get in the way of rational thinking ... and let's not even get into the fact that you've probably watched or listened to Obama speak maybe 3 times in your entire life and in one of those you heard him invoke the name of MLK ... and your tiny little brain immediately went to the race card argument.

Obama isn't using race in this campaign and he hasn't used race. An internal memo doesn't make or break the case for using the race card either.

The problem is that small minded people like yourself see a black man and think he's pulling the race card. The irony is that he's not and hasn't ... people like you are playing the race card for him.

[Methais]

There's only one black president for this country, and his name is David Palmer.

http://spyhunter007.com/Images/david_palmer_star_wars.bmp

[Kembal]

PB, the one thing Obama doesn't want to play is the race card. He'll lose the general if he does, because the one thing the country doesn't want to elect is an "angry black man", and generally, playing the race card makes you look like an "angry black man".

Clinton's trying to force him to play it in order to diminish the halo that's gone up around him. She'd damage Democratic chances of wining the presidency in order to increase her chances of winning the nomination, which is explicitly the reason why a lot of people don't like her.

[Parkbandit]

I think you're letting your prejudice get in the way of rational thinking ... and let's not even get into the fact that you've probably watched or listened to Obama speak maybe 3 times in your entire life and in one of those you heard him invoke the name of MLK ... and your tiny little brain immediately went to the race card argument.

Obama isn't using race in this campaign and he hasn't used race. An internal memo doesn't make or break the case for using the race card either.

The problem is that small minded people like yourself see a black man and think he's pulling the race card. The irony is that he's not and hasn't ... people like you are playing the race card for him.


Aw.. sounds like someone is still pissed at me. :( Poor little lamb.

Maybe you should stick with the facts... before we turn this thread into you claiming you are something you are not.. me providing proof that you are a hypocrite.. and you leaving for a couple days to cry in a corner... and just pretend the pwnage didn't happen. :rofl:

Plain and simple.. Obama HAS used race in his speeches and to garner support for his campaign. A small minded (and probably small in most places...) loser like yourself.. could do what he does best.. go to www.google.com and do some of your famous 'research'.. where you search for examples of OBAMA+RACE CARD and see some speech quotes of his.

Come on Tsa'ah.. you probably have google hotkeyed. You can do it.

[Bhuryn]

To summarize:

Obama plays MLK
Clinton counters with husband's love for black people
Obama points to face and says, "Hey bitch, I'm black!"
Clinton retorts, "Out of context!"

Do these idiots realize they do nothing for racial equality when they continually point out their racial differences? Maybe after a hundred or so years collective law we ought to try something else, like that whole "all men..." part.

[Keller]

A memo doesn't a campaign make.

I think a more literal translation of the above is:

"NAHANAHNAHNAHNAHNAHNAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!"

[Tsa`ah]

Aw.. sounds like someone is still pissed at me. :( Poor little lamb.

Maybe you should stick with the facts... before we turn this thread into you claiming you are something you are not.. me providing proof that you are a hypocrite.. and you leaving for a couple days to cry in a corner... and just pretend the pwnage didn't happen. :rofl:

First, you're forgettable. About the only thing you're good for is baseless accusations, trolling, and blanket statements.

Second, you haven't provided any backing to your claim that Obama has and is using the race card. Plain and simple, you see a black man running for political office and your mind is made up.


Plain and simple.. Obama HAS used race in his speeches and to garner support for his campaign. A small minded (and probably small in most places...) loser like yourself.. could do what he does best.. go to www.google.com and do some of your famous 'research'.. where you search for examples of OBAMA+RACE CARD and see some speech quotes of his.

You calling me a lose? That's funny.

Here's a challenge for you, and probably an impossible one, back up your claim. Show all of us ignorant people that Obama is using the race card.


To summarize:

Obama plays MLK
Clinton counters with husband's love for black people
Obama points to face and says, "Hey bitch, I'm black!"
Clinton retorts, "Out of context!"

You should read your last line there and then go back and read the speech. Yes, he mentioned MLK .... as well as other names that belonged to white men.

Unfortunately people hear the name of one prominent black man coming out of the mouth of another black man and they assume "race", yet no one bats an eye when a white man uses a name like Lincoln, or Kennedy ... at that point the message is lost upon deaf ears.


I think a more literal translation of the above is:

"NAHANAHNAHNAHNAHNAHNAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!"

Or, a more reasonable translation would be "you haven't seen it in the campaign and he is likely waiting for a time (and judging the rhetoric coming from the Clinton camp ... pretty damn soon) when he could unload all her crap back on her and point out that she's the one making an issue of race and gender".

[Keller]

Or, a more reasonable translation would be "you haven't seen it in the campaign and he is likely waiting for a time (and judging the rhetoric coming from the Clinton camp ... pretty damn soon) when he could unload all her crap back on her and point out that she's the one making an issue of race and gender".

To be frank, I know nothing more than what I read in the OP's article. But it said, "As evidence the Obama campaign had pushed the story, Clinton advisers pointed to a memo written by an Obama staffer compiling examples of comments by Clinton and her surrogates that could be construed as racially insensitive." And that, to me, says that Obama's campaign is preparing to pull a Kanye on Hillary.

[Parkbandit]

First, you're forgettable. About the only thing you're good for is baseless accusations, trolling, and blanket statements.

And you are unforgettable.

I mean... who can forget all the people laughing at you over the years.. entertaining themselves at your expense. Of all the people on this board.. you rank right up there with Warclaidhm, Backlash, Tamral, etc...




You calling me a lose? That's funny.

In my defense, I've never ever called you a lose. I've called you a loser, hypocrite, small dicked, pain in the ass, etc.. but never once called you "a lose".



Here's a challenge for you, and probably an impossible one, back up your claim. Show all of us ignorant people that Obama is using the race card.

Once you do as you were told.. maybe we can play your game. You are the google expert and I gave you a pretty easy task.. hop to it.

[Tsa`ah]

To be frank, I know nothing more than what I read in the OP's article. But it said, "As evidence the Obama campaign had pushed the story, Clinton advisers pointed to a memo written by an Obama staffer compiling examples of comments by Clinton and her surrogates that could be construed as racially insensitive." And that, to me, says that Obama's campaign is preparing to pull a Kanye on Hillary.

Or, it could mean a staffer was trying to earn brownie points. Unlike Hillary (who I believe is involved with every aspect of her campaign and nothing happens without her knowledge), Obama hasn't "leaked" anything ... this was a memo for Obama and the campaign, not by Obama directing the campaign.


And you are unforgettable.

I mean... who can forget all the people laughing at you over the years.. entertaining themselves at your expense. Of all the people on this board.. you rank right up there with Warclaidhm, Backlash, Tamral, etc...




In my defense, I've never ever called you a lose. I've called you a loser, hypocrite, small dicked, pain in the ass, etc.. but never once called you "a lose".



Once you do as you were told.. maybe we can play your game. You are the google expert and I gave you a pretty easy task.. hop to it.

Classic PB ... when you can't support your claim ... start in with the same old same old.

I'm going to pull a line from you.

Source please.
If Obama is using the race card and you know it ... it shouldn't be too hard to provide a source.

The onus isn't on me ... I didn't make the claim. So until you can provide a source as definitive proof ... I'm going to just assume that, as always, you're talking out of your ass again.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Wait... Obama is black?

Hillary is a woman?

WTF?! The world is upside down!

[Parkbandit]

Wait... Obama is black?

Hillary is a woman?

WTF?! The world is upside down!


Actually.. Obama isn't black enough.. and Hillary isn't REALLY a woman...

[Parkbandit]

The onus isn't on me ... I didn't make the claim. So until you can provide a source as definitive proof ... I'm going to just assume that, as always, you're talking out of your ass again.

Actually.. the onus is on you. You've stated that Obama has never used race in his campagn.. but there are plenty of places on the internet that believe you are mistaken as usual.

Here.. I'm going to even make it easier for you. Look up some of Obama+Oprah speeches.. Even someone like you can quickly come to the same conclusions others have.

If you still have problems.. then let's drop the subject as I don't have the time to debate a retard. Maybe we can debate something you could better understand... like play dough or crayons.

[Tsa`ah]

Actually.. the onus is on you. You've stated that Obama has never used race in his campagn.. but there are plenty of places on the internet that believe you are mistaken as usual.

Here.. I'm going to even make it easier for you. Look up some of Obama+Oprah speeches.. Even someone like you can quickly come to the same conclusions others have.

If you still have problems.. then let's drop the subject as I don't have the time to debate a retard. Maybe we can debate something you could better understand... like play dough or crayons.

Hahaha .... so you are just talking out of your ass. You can't find anything to support your claim.

[Parkbandit]

Hey look, it's Tsa'ah!

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[Tsa`ah]

Hey look, it's Tsa'ah!


Lol ... so continuing with your duck and dodge. You got nothing so it's "fap fap fap ... let me attempt to insult you with pictures ... fap fap fap".

Do yourself a favor, provide evidence to support your claim or just bow out ... continuing to prove you're an assclown isn't helping your cause any ... whatever that may be.

[Parkbandit]

If you still have problems.. then let's drop the subject as I don't have the time to debate a retard. Maybe we can debate something you could better understand... like play dough or crayons.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/belike53/crayons.jpg

YOU WON TSA'AH!!!

[Keller]

http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/assclown-3347.jpg

[Keller]

http://www.brooklynsucks.com/wp-content/db.jpg

[Sean of the Thread]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b236/Japgross/domo_fap.gif

[Tsa`ah]

YOU WON TSA'AH!!!

There wasn't anything to win and it's just sad you view posting on a message board as a competition.

I'll just take it as just more evidence of your inability to see past the white of your skin when it comes to black person running for an elected position.

[Parkbandit]

There wasn't anything to win and it's just sad you view posting on a message board as a competition.

I'll just take it as just more evidence of your inability to see past the white of your skin when it comes to black person running for an elected position.

You should take it anyway you can get it imo... but as usual, you are wrong and stupid.

[ClydeR]

Or, it could mean a staffer was trying to earn brownie points. Unlike Hillary (who I believe is involved with every aspect of her campaign and nothing happens without her knowledge), Obama hasn't "leaked" anything ... this was a memo for Obama and the campaign, not by Obama directing the campaign.

Ha Ha. There is no reason to assume that H. Rodham Clinton is more controlling of every little thing in her campaign than B. Hussein Obama is in his campaign.

[Tsa`ah]

You should take it anyway you can get it imo... but as usual, you are wrong and stupid.

Wrong and stupid ... more fap fap fap from you. Can't be too hard to produce something to support your claim can it?


Ha Ha. There is no reason to assume that H. Rodham Clinton is more controlling of every little thing in her campaign than B. Hussein Obama is in his campaign.

Heh ... look PB ... someone to support you. Assclowns unite.

[Parkbandit]

Wrong and stupid ... more fap fap fap from you. Can't be too hard to produce something to support your claim can it?



Heh ... look PB ... someone to support you. Assclowns unite.

Seriously.. you should stick with Play dough and crayons. Maybe if you ask nicely, Tamral or Backlash will let you play with them.

Again.. it's a relatively easy thing for you to do. I gave you the website, the key words... do you need me to read it as well for you?

Defending Obama the way you do.. it's just like you did with the farm subsidies. It's a blind and stupid following... the facts be damned! Anyone who disagrees with me is an ASSCLOWN!!!!

[Tsa`ah]

I actually read three transcripts and have yet to find anything that plays on race.

Maybe with your keen sense of "Blackie using his blackness" ... you could point it out for me.

In any event, I'm tired of you embarrassing yourself and flaunting your ass at every opportunity. You obviously were talking out of your ass and you obviously are at a loss for showing any proof of your claims ... thus attempting to shift it back on me with a duck and dive, song and dance ... and of course the usual PB bullshit that comes through in every post.

I'll let you get in your last "fap fap fap " ... it's pretty clear you're a waste of time.

[Gan]

Or, it could mean a staffer was trying to earn brownie points.

I cant believe nobody caught this yet.


HAHA HE SAID BROWNIE POINTS!!!

[Tsa`ah]

Oh you suck.

[Parkbandit]

I actually read three transcripts and have yet to find anything that plays on race.

Maybe with your keen sense of "Blackie using his blackness" ... you could point it out for me.

In any event, I'm tired of you embarrassing yourself and flaunting your ass at every opportunity. You obviously were talking out of your ass and you obviously are at a loss for showing any proof of your claims ... thus attempting to shift it back on me with a duck and dive, song and dance ... and of course the usual PB bullshit that comes through in every post.

I'll let you get in your last "fap fap fap " ... it's pretty clear you're a waste of time.


http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/belike53/crybaby.jpg

:cry: Poor Tsa'ah.

[Gan]

Obama knocks Farrakhan

Richard Cohen in the Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/14/AR2008011402083.html?hpid=opinionsbox1) made Louis Farrakhan -- a former State Senate constituent of Obama's, and the honoree of a publication by his church -- an issue today, and Obama has a comment out now:


I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every form and strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by Minister Farrakhan. I assume that Trumpet Magazine made its own decision to honor Farrakhan based on his efforts to rehabilitate ex-offenders, but it is not a decisions with which I agree.


That's a pretty sharp statement on a subject that can cause a bit of a headache for Obama in his Chicago backyard, but should help settle something that was whispered for months before Cohen wrote it.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Obama_knocks_Farrakhan.html
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Smart move by Obama

[Tsa`ah]

It's not going to hurt him in Chicago, not in the least.