Call the race: IOWA (Republicans)

[875000]

Who do you think will come in first in Iowa on the Republican side? Vote in the poll, and then -- if you are truly daring -- make a post with the spread below.

[Bobmuhthol]

They all suck so badly, with the possible exceptions of Mike Huckabee and John McCain. :(

[Hulkein]

I really hope it isn't Huckabee. Hopefully Romney or McCain with a good showing from Paul.

[Celephais]

Are we doing this like a Pick-em-league? Make the rules up now, if you don't vote in a poll then your pick counts as a loss, not a no-play.

[ClydeR]

Although I am rooting for Huckabee, I think Romney will be first and Huckabee second. The spread will be 31-27. Huckabee is currently ahead in the opinion polls. They are both good men.

[Jorddyn]

Using my very formal process of paying attention to lawn signs (disclaimer: I live in a very blue city in Iowa), I'm betting Huckabee in a close race.

[Hulkein]

Huckabee seems like a real nice guy and is great in speaking to the public, his record is just not at all fiscally conservative.

[Sean of the Thread]

Seriously I'm starting to think ron paul is fucking nuts. You should have seen the droves of bat shit insane supporters outside the Outback bowl the other day.

[Hulkein]

The more Libertarian the guy, the more fringe loons you'll find supporting him.

[Ilvane]

I think it will be Huckabee.

[Sean of the Thread]

The more Libertarian the guy, the more fringe loons you'll find supporting him.

I thought it was a woodstock or branch davidian reunion.

[TheEschaton]

What happens if the people want Mike Huckabee, and convention time rolls around, and every single party leader of the GOP knows Huckabee cannot win against any Dem....what do they do then?

-TheE-

[Sean of the Thread]

What happens if the people want Mike Huckabee, and convention time rolls around, and every single party leader of the GOP knows Huckabee cannot win against any Dem....what do they do then?

-TheE-

What Dem can win?

[Jorddyn]

Ok, seriously, WTF? I at least gave my state credit for Huckabee winning a close race, but CNN just had him projected to win over Romney 35-24.

[Latrinsorm]

Chuck Norris doesn't fuck around. Now you know.

[Jorddyn]

Oh, you're right, it was the power of Chuck.

And that freaky SW corner of the state that's very "Children of the Corn".

In all honesty, I feel for the true moderates of our state. Not a lot of choice (and yes, I mean on either side).

[Tsa`ah]

I really hope it isn't Huckabee. Hopefully Romney or McCain with a good showing from Paul.

Funny thing ... McCain didn't even touch Iowa until late yesterday and still managed a close fourth. I think if he had bothered to put some intelligent people in his camp to advise him ... he probably would have made either front runner more than a bit nervous.

[Ilvane]

You know, I hope these Republicans put up a moderate. I can't ever see myself voting for Obama and Huckabee is definitely not my kind of candidate.

I hope they go with someone like McCain, especially if Obama wins the Democratic nod.

Angela

[ClydeR]

A victory for SoCons! And by a surprisingly large margin. It is long past time that we get the head seat at the GOP table.

[Ilvane]

oh..LOL

I'm so sorry..but I had to laugh. One thing for sure I know I DO NOT want is a Baptist minister as my president.

Scary thought.

[Some Rogue]

oh..LOL

I'm so sorry..but I had to laugh. One thing for sure I know I DO NOT want is a Baptist minister as my president.

Scary thought.


AND WE CAN'T HAVE A CATHOLIC PRESIDENT BECAUSE THE POPE WILL CONTROL AMERICA. AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON ROMNEY, MORMONS ARE FUCKING NUTJOBS!!!111

Normally I just skip your posts or roll my eyes if I do read it, but are you fucking retarded?

[Ilvane]

Listen asshole, with this baptist minister there is a difference. He has promised to legislate on his beliefs.

That is why he is scary to me, not just because he is a Baptist.

Angela

[CrystalTears]

AND WE CAN'T HAVE A CATHOLIC PRESIDENT BECAUSE THE POPE WILL CONTROL AMERICA. AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON ROMNEY, MORMONS ARE FUCKING NUTJOBS!!!111

Normally I just skip your posts or roll my eyes if I do read it, but are you fucking retarded?
You're about as late with this news as Ilvane and Clinton are about the Pakistan elections.

[Some Rogue]

Listen asshole, with this baptist minister there is a difference. He has promised to legislate on his beliefs.

That is why he is scary to me, not just because he is a Baptist.

Angela

I didn't realize the EXECUTIVE BRANCH had legislative powers now....

[Hulkein]

Funny thing ... McCain didn't even touch Iowa until late yesterday and still managed a close fourth. I think if he had bothered to put some intelligent people in his camp to advise him ... he probably would have made either front runner more than a bit nervous.

Yeah, I agree. I thought he would still pull ahead of Thompson more even with his lack of presence there. Thompson surprised me with how well he did. He just looks like he has zero energy I can't believe that many people voted for him.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Listen asshole, with this baptist minister there is a difference. He has promised to legislate on his beliefs.

That is why he is scary to me, not just because he is a Baptist.

Angela

I'm Baptist because they have the best buffets.

[Gan]

I'm Baptist because they have the best buffets.

And some of the best dances. ;)

[Parkbandit]

You know, I hope these Republicans put up a moderate. I can't ever see myself voting for Obama and Huckabee is definitely not my kind of candidate.

I hope they go with someone like McCain, especially if Obama wins the Democratic nod.

Angela

LOL... not that I pay much attention to your political beliefs except for my personal entertainment.. but what is it about Obama's platform that you dislike so much... enough to cross over and <insert gasping sound> VOTE FOR A 'REPUBLICAN!'?

It can't be the issues.. since you are solidly liberal and so is Obama. So.. is it because you want Clinton to win so badly, you want your party to suffer.. or is it because he is black and you don't like no darkies in office?

[Gan]

LOL... not that I pay much attention to your political beliefs except for my personal entertainment.. but what is it about Obama's platform that you dislike so much... enough to cross over and <insert gasping sound> VOTE FOR A 'REPUBLICAN!'?

It can't be the issues.. since you are solidly liberal and so is Obama. So.. is it because you want Clinton to win so badly, you want your party to suffer.. or is it because he is black and you don't like no darkies in office?
I'm betting on her reasoning that he's black.

:whistle:

[Ilvane]

No, it really is because he has nothing concrete to say about what he is going to do. That really bothers me.

I'm so sick of fluffy candidates who don't have anything to say, but give good speeches..and have nothing underneath.

I've already said it before, if it came down to McCain and Obama, I'd vote for McCain in a heartbeat. Where it would be difficult would be if it was someone like Romney or Huckabee. I couldn't bring myself to do that.

At least McCain stands up for what he believes, and has a solid record.

Angela

[CrystalTears]

You're not really completely dismissing a candidate because he's a Baptist minister, are you? Please tell me it's because of your disagreement with his issues and not his faith.

[Gan]

Unfortunately a knee jerk reaction of mine with Huckabee is that he's a Baptist Minister (ex). I know Baptists first hand, and know of their intolerance of those who do not conform to their beliefs. Furthermore I dont believe that Huckabee can officiate his office without undue influence from his personal religion - and THAT scares me.

With that said, the fact that Huckabee supports pro-life and anti-gay issues also disagrees with my views socially; however, social issues take the back seat to the issues (economic, foreign policy etc.) that I feel are important in deciding a presidential candidate.

[Daniel]

I'd probably vote for McCain over Obama. I think they are both people who are genuine and truly try to do what is right, which is my main concern for a president. However, I don't agree with Obama on Iraq at all and I'd be pretty pissed if he did what he said he would do. Even if I don't think he'd be able to do it.

[Gan]

Interesting note on McCain I heard the other day...

He never talks about his two sons, one in the naval academy and one who is a Marine in Iraq. The marine is a non-com so its apparent that he enlisted (volunteered).

Any truth to that?

[Ilvane]

My reasoning is the same as Gan(stop the earth!!!) on Huckabee.

[CrystalTears]

Unfortunately a knee jerk reaction of mine with Huckabee is that he's a Baptist Minister (ex). I know Baptists first hand, and know of their intolerance of those who do not conform to their beliefs. Furthermore I dont believe that Huckabee can officiate his office without undue influence from his personal religion - and THAT scares me.

With that said, the fact that Huckabee supports pro-life and anti-gay issues also disagrees with my views socially; however, social issues take the back seat to the issues (economic, foreign policy etc.) that I feel are important in deciding a presidential candidate.
And I can respect that kind of decision making. I'm not saying not to like someone because of their faith. However for me, I'd rather someone come right out and say that they have religious beliefs to guide their decision-making than to say they don't and do it anyway. I'd rather have someone spiritual than not, but again, that's just me.

The more I read about Huckabee, the more I like him, and I agree with the majority of his issues.

[Gan]

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[chillmonster]

Huckabe believes Adam and Eve rode pet dinosaurs in the Garden of Eden about 6000 years ago just after God clapped his hands and created the "heavens and the Earth" in 6 days. Take a step back to appreciate the enourmous capacity for self delusion that believing such nonsense take.

I'd sooner re-elect Nixon than vote for this guy.

Edited to Add:

Take a Trip to the Creationism Museum (http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/ars-takes-a-field-trip-the-creation-museum.ars)

[Parkbandit]

Huckabe believes Adam and Eve rode pet dinosaurs in the Garden of Eden about 6000 years ago just after God clapped his hands and created the "heavens and the Earth" in 6 days. Take a step back to appreciate the enourmous capacity for self delusion that believing such nonsense take.



He agrees with the so called majority in this country though.. and it's those self deluded believers that got him the win last night.

[chillmonster]

He agrees with the so called majority in this country though.. and it's those self deluded believers that got him the win last night.

I highly doubt that the majority of people in this country truly believe that. They may identify themselves as Christian, but most don't ignore the fact that the world is millions of years old and humans never lived with dinosaurs like in the Flintstones.

[Sean of the Thread]

You'd be surprised.

[Kranar]

According to this source:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/22/opinion/polls/main657083.shtml

The majority of American's do not believe in evolution, but creationism.

[Keller]

According to this source:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/22/opinion/polls/main657083.shtml

The majority of American's do not believe in evolution, but creationism.

I wonder why US kids suck so much at math and science

[chillmonster]

According to this source:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/22/opinion/polls/main657083.shtml

The majority of American's do not believe in evolution, but creationism.

Ok, but what if you try the question a bit differently? If you ask the same number of people if they believe the world is 6,000 years old or millions of years old, they'd say millions. If you ask if humans ever lived with dinosaurs, they'd say no.

That's what I'm talking about. Most people really understand that if you get sick you go to a doctor and not a preacher, they know that the planes they fly in are the result of scientific progress and not prayers, and they base most of their every day views about the world on rational thinking and not religion. So if you ask them something about the world, they'll answer rationally, but when you turn it into religious question they turn off the part of their brain used for skeptical thinking and give the answer that's been programmed into them.

Huckabe is different. He BELIEVES the world is 6,000 years old and humans lived with dinosaurs. He should NEVER be president.

[Sean of the Thread]

I guess he shouldn't have been a good Governor then either eh?

[chillmonster]

I guess he shouldn't have been a good Governor then either eh?

Many would say he wasn't the best Governor, but I don't care what kind of Governor he was. I'm worried about the Supreme Court Justices he'd appoint as MY president. I'm worried about the kind of programs he'd promote and funding for scientific research that he obviously doesn't respect. And I'm most worried about him as a symbol. What does it say to not only the world, but to our own children when the President of the United States completely disregards mountains of evidence and sells out proven science for superstition?

[Gan]

I guess he shouldn't have been a good Governor then either eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Huckabee

Excellent question. You'll find some interesting history about Huckabee in his Wiki biography.

[Bobmuhthol]

Mike Huckabee
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/_images/mike_huckabee_bio.jpg

Charles Logan
http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/45/16/0000034516_20061021002017.jpg

The transformation is imminent.

[Keller]

Many would say he wasn't the best Governor, but I don't care what kind of Governor he was. I'm worried about the Supreme Court Justices he'd appoint as MY president. I'm worried about the kind of programs he'd promote and funding for scientific research that he obviously doesn't respect. And I'm most worried about him as a symbol. What does it say to not only the world, but to our own children when the President of the United States completely disregards mountains of evidence and sells out proven science for superstition?

I couldn't have said it any better.

[Jessaril]

The scariest thing about Huckabee is he seems to value his personal beliefs above all else.

Once your the president you have to learn to respect the limitations of your office and the desires of the people. I don't think he can do that, much like Bush2.

[Latrinsorm]

Desires such as electing a President who will change the current climate of bureaucracy and backbiting into one of uprightness and ethical fervor?