Pakistan's Bhutto assassinated at rally

[Ilvane]

Well, I think once she went back home, supporters almost expected her to die once she got there.

Sad, sad thing in Pakistan.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/12/27/pakistan.sharif/index.html


Angela

[Trouble]

Well, I think once she went back home, supporters almost expected her to die once she got there.

Yeah, I don't think anyone was surprised; it was only a matter of time.

[TheEschaton]

Another blow for democracy.

[ElanthianSiren]

Yeah, I don't think anyone was surprised; it was only a matter of time.

x2 :( . Pakistani officials have been saying over and over again that they can't be responsible for her welfare etc. May she rest well.

[Ilvane]

Now when people talk about heros and martyrs..she was willing to die for the democratic process.

There is one, in my opinion.

Angela

[Sean of the Thread]

Now when people talk about heros and martyrs..she was willing to die for the democratic process.

There is one, in my opinion.

Angela

You mean like our soldiers and marines?

[Ilvane]

Yes, Sean. I've always supported the troops over there. I think being in Afghanistan and Pakistan would have been the proper place for us to be to go after the people who attacked our country on 9/11.

Iraq isn't quite the same thing, though. I don't agree with the war in Iraq.

I always support the soldiers, however.

Angela

[Sean of the Thread]

lol

[Nieninque]

I dont agree with the war in Iraq, but I wholeheartedly support troops wherever they may be. It's the politicians I have my issues with.

Benazir Bhutto? Brave woman. May she rest in peace.

[Daniel]

Hopefully this doesn't start massive riots until at least after my vacation is over.

[Kefka]

x2 :( . Pakistani officials have been saying over and over again that they can't be responsible for her welfare etc. May she rest well.

Kind of screwed up since she was banned from leaving the country.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7058543.stm


Former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto has been banned from leaving the country, her Pakistan People's Party (PPP) says.

PPP spokesman Farhatullah Babar told the BBC the party had written to the interior ministry over the issue.

Ms Bhutto survived an assassination attempt on Thursday on her return to the country after years of self-imposed exile. Nearly 140 died in the attack.

The government often bans opponents from leaving Pakistan.

[Numbers]

It's the middle east. Of course there are going to be riots.

[Daniel]

It's actually south Asia, but who is keeping track right?

[Krendeli]

lol

You're a fucking dumbass. You think the war in Iraq was to further the democratic process? Bullshit. It's a CYA move by the Bush administration when they realized they fucked up and Iraq didn't have WMD's.

They should have impeached Bush years ago. He's made a total wreck of everything.

[Sean of the Thread]

You're a fucking dumbass. You think the war in Iraq was to further the democratic process? Bullshit. It's a CYA move by the Bush administration when they realized they fucked up and Iraq didn't have WMD's.

They should have impeached Bush years ago. He's made a total wreck of everything.

Lol x2

[Trouble]

Lol x2

So, supremely wise one, can you share with us lesser beings the deeper meaning of your lol and lol x2? I have not yet mastered the art of one word posts, so help me understand...

[Sean of the Thread]

Learn to comprehend.

It's not my fault the majority of you idiots are stupid.

[Krendeli]

Learn to comprehend.

It's not my fault the majority of you idiots are stupid.

Right. Pot meet kettle.

[Trouble]

Learn to comprehend.

It's not my fault the majority of you idiots are stupid.

Umm yeah, you're so smart because you use 'lol' instead of actually saying what you find funny about a post. What am I supposed to comprehend about 'lol?'

I'll break it down for you since, even with your vast intellect, you're not understanding me. What I'm trying to say is, why bother posting if you're only going to say 'lol?'

[Androidpk]

Bhutto was an answer on Jeopardy the other night. Coincidence?!?

[Krendeli]

Umm yeah, you're so smart because you use 'lol' instead of actually saying what you find funny about a post. What am I supposed to comprehend about 'lol?'

I'll break it down for you since, even with your vast intellect, you're not understanding me. What I'm trying to say is, why bother posting if you're only going to say 'lol?'

Because he probably lacks the ability to put together an informed, intelligent response.

[Sean of the Thread]

Umm yeah, you're so smart because you use 'lol' instead of actually saying what you find funny about a post. What am I supposed to comprehend about 'lol?'

I'll break it down for you since, even with your vast intellect, you're not understanding me. What I'm trying to say is, why bother posting if you're only going to say 'lol?'

If you read the posts I was laughing at and had to ask what I was laughing at then you are a moron.

Posting "lol" is by far enough to convey my thoughts on those posts. Unlike some of you idiots I don't feel the need to waste much time or energy explaining or expressing things that you simply do not or are unable to understand. It would be like trying to explain there are 50 states to Ilvane.

Have a nice bliss day in ignoramus land. I have much better things to do with my time other than educate jack ass tree hugging armchair political wanna be know it alls.

:2beers:


Piss off.

[Trouble]

Have a nice bliss day in ignoramus land. I have much better things to do with my time other than educate jack ass tree hugging armchair political wanna be know it alls.

:2beers:


Piss off.

Now that's a good post. Thanks for the sig!

[Kembal]

Heh, looks like Sean2 committed self-parody.

On the subject of Bhutto's death and the fallout, U.S. policy is now completely screwed. The administration was absolutely dependent on Bhutto (and arranged for her return to the country) winning in the elections and restoring legitimacy to the Musharraf government in order to provide stability to the country. Now, elections are likely to be canceled (Sharif announced he was boycotting the elections anyway, blaming Musharraf for letting the assassination happen), and autocracy is going to be present in the country for some time.

[Gan]

Lol x2


So, supremely wise one, can you share with us lesser beings the deeper meaning of your lol and lol x2? I have not yet mastered the art of one word posts, so help me understand...


Umm yeah, you're so smart because you use 'lol' instead of actually saying what you find funny about a post. What am I supposed to comprehend about 'lol?'

I'll break it down for you since, even with your vast intellect, you're not understanding me. What I'm trying to say is, why bother posting if you're only going to say 'lol?'

Why bother posting at all? Why do you post? Obviously, to some degree, you get the same utility from participating here as he does. Because the content, length, and vernacular of his posts differ from yours point somehow to your superiority or does it simply illustrate your failure to comprehend the obvious that he's laughing at what you posted. Newsflash: people use LOL and the various identical icons here all the time. So instead of making issue of his use of LOL why not simply ask him why he's laughing at you.

*I have to admit, I got a chuckle from your post as well. :lol:

[Gan]

Ontopic:

It seems that Al Quaeda is taking responsibility for the assassination. According to CNN HN this morning.

[Daniel]

That may not have been the wisest move on their part.

[Trouble]

why not simply ask him why he's laughing at you.

That was precisely the purpose of my post(s); I was trying to get him to post more than one word so I could understand what he found funny. Apparently I am a moron because I couldn't figure out what he thought was funny just by looking at the posts:


If you read the posts I was laughing at and had to ask what I was laughing at then you are a moron.

-


*I have to admit, I got a chuckle from your post as well. :lol:

It wasn't my post he was loling at, it was two other people's posts that were given his lol and lolx2 designations. My posts got the piss off award.

[TheEschaton]

Like flying a coupla planes into the WTC was a wise decision either, Daniel.

[Gan]

PAKISTAN Interior ministry said today there is "irrefutable evidence" that Al-Qaeda is trying to destabilise the country.


The Interior minister said an Al-Qaeda phone call about yesterday's bombing had been intercepted by Pakistan.


“We have the evidence that al-Qaeda and Taliban were behind the suicide attack on Benazir Bhutto,” Interior Minister Hamid Nawaz said.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article628825.ece

________________________________________
Smokescreen by Musharraff (conspiracy theory)?

Or credible?

[TheEschaton]

Did they ever say anything about the shots? If there were anything?

It was spreading in the South Asian community yesterday (my grandmother was on the phone all day, it seems) that shots were fired, and they came from inside the vehicle, which would implicate the Pakistani military, long to be thought infilitrated by AQ.

-TheE-

[Gan]

According to what I"m hearing, she died of head wounds from blunt force trauma - not gunshots.

...developing

[Kembal]

You've got 3 suspects in terms of who did it:

1. Musharraf and the gov't
2. Al-Qaeda and their allies
3. Domestic extremist Islamic movements (Jaish-e-Mohammed, etc.) - These groups were formed by the ISI to infilitrate Kashmir (and the rest of India, for that matter), but they've now taken a life of their own beyond committing terrorist attacks in India.

Note that portions of 1 are not mutually exclusive from 2 or 3, as TheE points out. However, 2 and 3 are mutually exclusive. The domestic movements could care less for the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, from my understanding.

My guess is 2, aided by elements of 1. Musharraf himself would not want Bhutto to die...even though he hates her, he knows very well she was the only way he could've held on to control of Pakistan.

I just really hope Pakistan doesn't destablize completely, with the possibility of various elements striking out at India in bids to gain control of Pakistan. Obviously, I've got family there, but my fiancee is there as well, and I don't know when her visa is going to come through. :(

[Nieninque]

According to what I"m hearing, she died of head wounds from blunt force trauma - not gunshots.

...developing

Apparently she banged her head on her sunroof as she dived for cover.

[Daniel]

Like flying a coupla planes into the WTC was a wise decision either, Daniel.

Eh. That can argued either way. However, if extremist are responsible for the death of Bhutto, and not say the government that kinda gives legitimacy to the anti ALQ stance of Musharaff. If not firmly cements him in power.

[Trouble]

If not firmly cements him in power.

I saw on the news this morning how the opposition groups are planning on boycotting the upcoming elections because of the assassination. WTF? Why give Musharaff a guaranteed win because your leader was martyred?

[Gan]

LOL

Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face.

[Daniel]

I saw on the news this morning how the opposition groups are planning on boycotting the upcoming elections because of the assassination. WTF? Why give Musharaff a guaranteed win because your leader was martyred?

Well, that wouldn't be the reason.

The reason would be that Musharaff has built his regime on being able to combat Al-Q or the willingness to do so. One of the things that people inside the country have been smarting about his alliances with the U.S. However, if they suddenly have a very very good reason to be against Al-Q then they pretty much just fucked themselves.

P.s. They were already planning on boycotting the elections. Don't fool yourself. We'll see how things play out.

[Kembal]

Remember, a boycotted election is considered illegitimate. It might give Musharraf official authority, but it does not give him actual power or control over the situation.

If the election is truly boycotted, it's game over for Musharraf. The new Army chief of staff has already signaled that he's planning to keep the military out of politics, and without that institutional support, he's got nothing left.

As for the hitting head on sunroof explanation, it's bullshit. It's a stupid attempt to make it look like she wasn't actually assassinated, thus absolving Musharraf of some blame for not protecting her well enough.

[Gan]

The news said she had a security detail of over 8000 in addition to the added secrurity that Musharraff did provide.

Surely they are mistaken. 8000?

[Lysander]

Pakistan is a nuclear power. Probably has anywhere between 10-50 high yield nuclear warheads coupled with HatfVI/Shaheen II mid-range ballisitic missiles with a range of 2000 Km.

If Pakistan destabilizes and the political structure falls into chaos, it's very easy for some extremist organization to buy one of these missiles (with a nuclear warhead) from some general trying to cash out and flee the country.
Thats what the real scary aspect about all this is. Some crazy gets his hands on one of these weapons and fires it from some easily accessible nation neighboring the U.S.... it's game over.

[Kembal]

The news said she had a security detail of over 8000 in addition to the added secrurity that Musharraff did provide.

Surely they are mistaken. 8000?

That sounds absolutely wrong. Hell, in the pictures of her before her death, I think it was pointed out that there was no visible uniformed security detail around her.

Now, her party certainly had a strong security presence around her. But I don't think it was 8000 people either.

[Ilvane]

They are also saying now that she died from hitting her head on the back of her sunroof. (*this was the Pakistani interior minister, mind you)

Um, it wasn't the three shots at her that hit her neck, or the explosion, but she hit her head on her sunroof?

WTF?

Angela

[Parkbandit]

Pakistan is a nuclear power. Probably has anywhere between 10-50 high yield nuclear warheads coupled with HatfVI/Shaheen II mid-range ballisitic missiles with a range of 2000 Km.

If Pakistan destabilizes and the political structure falls into chaos, it's very easy for some extremist organization to buy one of these missiles (with a nuclear warhead) from some general trying to cash out and flee the country.
Thats what the real scary aspect about all this is. Some crazy gets his hands on one of these weapons and fires it from some easily accessible nation neighboring the U.S.... it's game over.

Why do you assume that? USSR had thousands more when it collapsed... and more than Pakistan's entire arsenal are still unaccounted for according to some reports.

[Parkbandit]

They are also saying now that she died from hitting her head on the back of her sunroof. (*this was the Pakistani interior minister, mind you)

Um, it wasn't the three shots at her that hit her neck, or the explosion, but she hit her head on her sunroof?

WTF?

Angela

I haven't seen any news today.. I was too busy SKYDIVING!

But this morning on CNN HN, they said the gunman opened fire when she popped out of her bulletproof vehicle to recognize her supporters.. the gunman shot 5 times, hitting her 3 times.. then blew himself up. If she died from blunt force trauma, it was because he got hit 3 times in the head/neck.. and she was falling back into the vehicle.

[Sean of the Thread]

I haven't seen any news today.. I was too busy SKYDIVING!





http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b236/Japgross/olddiver.jpg

[Kembal]

I haven't seen any news today.. I was too busy SKYDIVING!

But this morning on CNN HN, they said the gunman opened fire when she popped out of her bulletproof vehicle to recognize her supporters.. the gunman shot 5 times, hitting her 3 times.. then blew himself up. If she died from blunt force trauma, it was because he got hit 3 times in the head/neck.. and she was falling back into the vehicle.

Your explanation sounds logical and probably the only way she could've died from blunt force trauma. However, that's not what the Pakistani authorities are saying. They're trying their best to deflect blame from their security efforts by saying her death was her fault.

Seriously, this is probably the worst spin job I've ever seen, outside of the Iraqi information minister under Saddam Hussein when we invaded in 2003.

[Sean of the Thread]

Well in all honestly if you stick your head out of your bullet proof hidey hole.. who's fault is it exactly?

[Parkbandit]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b236/Japgross/olddiver.jpg


LMAO.. you fucking prick.

Holy shit, one of the best experiences of my life. I plan to get certified in 2008.

[Parkbandit]

Your explanation sounds logical and probably the only way she could've died from blunt force trauma. However, that's not what the Pakistani authorities are saying. They're trying their best to deflect blame from their security efforts by saying her death was her fault.

Seriously, this is probably the worst spin job I've ever seen, outside of the Iraqi information minister under Saddam Hussein when we invaded in 2003.

I had also heard (mind you, it was this morning.. and might now be dated or entirely incorrect) that she was relying on her own protection and not the Pakistani police.

[Parkbandit]

Well in all honestly if you stick your head out of your bullet proof hidey hole.. who's fault is it exactly?

I kinda agree. It's almost like she welcomed becoming a martyr in this manner. It wasn't the first attempt on her life.

[Sean of the Thread]

I kinda agree. It's almost like she welcomed becoming a martyr in this manner. It wasn't the first attempt on her life.

Exactly.

[Ilvane]

Wow, and you two call me an idiot.

I have really nothing else to say.

Angela

[Gan]

Wow, and you two call me an idiot.

I have really nothing else to say.

Angela

Believe me, its more than just those two that call you an idiot. :yes:

[Parkbandit]

Wow, and you two call me an idiot.

I have really nothing else to say.

Angela

Your math skills are as savvy as your political skills.

[Tsa`ah]

Well in all honestly if you stick your head out of your bullet proof hidey hole.. who's fault is it exactly?


I kinda agree. It's almost like she welcomed becoming a martyr in this manner. It wasn't the first attempt on her life.

So we can blame the victims of every assassination attempt on the victim ... sound logic ... for crack whores I guess.


They are also saying now that she died from hitting her head on the back of her sunroof. (*this was the Pakistani interior minister, mind you)

Um, it wasn't the three shots at her that hit her neck, or the explosion, but she hit her head on her sunroof?

The police reported shrapnel from the suicide blast, the examining physician said bullet impact(s) ... it wasn't until today that the Pakistani government stepped in and said she bumped her head causing immediate death.

Now, despite stepping on the toes of both their own police and examining physician and claiming a bump to the head was the cause of death ... she wouldn't be dead if an attempt wasn't made on her life.

The interesting thing in all of this is that many forensic examiners and medical physicians here in the good ol US are saying that she could not have produced enough force over such a short distance to have caused immediate death from blunt force trauma. If she had indeed hit her head hard enough to cause death .. it would have taken hours, or even days before she died from a cerebral hemorrhage.

[Sean of the Thread]

So we can blame the victims of every assassination attempt on the victim ... sound logic ... for crack whores I guess.





I'm not blaming the victim but anything is possible. I was playing devil's advocate more than anything. The point being you're marked for death and they put you in a bullet proof bubble for a reason. Stay in it. Duh.

Maybe the Pope should ride a unicycle through an Al Qaeda training camp. It wouldn't be his fault if he was assassinated now would it?

[Tsa`ah]

I'm not blaming the victim but anything is possible. I was playing devil's advocate more than anything. The point being you're marked for death and they put you in a bullet proof bubble for a reason. Stay in it. Duh.

Maybe the Pope should ride a unicycle through an Al Qaeda training camp. It wouldn't be his fault if he was assassinated now would it?

That's an interesting note .... except the last attempt on a pope's life was in 81, St Peter's square. Not exactly a hotbed of hostility.

More interesting would be Pakistani claims that Al Qaeda isn't present within their borders ... yet they intercepted communications from Al Qaeda operatives before and after ... leaving several unanswered question with obvious answers.

[Parkbandit]

So we can blame the victims of every assassination attempt on the victim ... sound logic ... for crack whores I guess.




The only crack whore here would be you.. since you decided to make that leap. Learn some reading comprehension skills please. No one blamed the victim here for her assassination. I stated that she knew her life was threatened.. she knew they wanted to kill her.. she knew they had attempted to kill her before.. and yet she didn't take the appropriate steps to safeguard her own well being.

She was probably the #1 assassination target for multiple groups.. probably even Pakistani army. She was a women in a Muslim state.. she wanted to separate church and state... both radical changes to what the extremist Muslim population wanted.

[Ilvane]

The only crack whore here would be you.. since you decided to make that leap. Learn some reading comprehension skills please. No one blamed the victim here for her assassination. I stated that she knew her life was threatened.. she knew they wanted to kill her.. she knew they had attempted to kill her before.. and yet she didn't take the appropriate steps to safeguard her own well being.

She was probably the #1 assassination target for multiple groups.. probably even Pakistani army. She was a women in a Muslim state.. she wanted to separate church and state... both radical changes to what the extremist Muslim population wanted.

And she was supposed to be protected. The man who shot her was right behind her SUV. How did he get there if she was protected by the government who offerred her protection? Do you mean to suggest she should have stayed someplace safe and not come out because these people were threatening her?

She COULD have stayed in exile and been safe. She chose to come home to Pakistan for democracy's sake.

So you think this was her fault for sticking her head out of the sunroof, or is it the extremists fault for killing someone who challenged them?

Angela

[Parkbandit]

So you think this was her fault for sticking her head out of the sunroof, or is it the extremists fault for killing someone who challenged them?

Angela

Asked and answered already. Have someone help you with it if you still don't get it.

[Ilvane]

Nice job ignoring the rest of the post..

[Gan]

Nice job ignoring the rest of the post..

Like you've never ignored a post before...

[Parkbandit]

Nice job ignoring the rest of the post..

Stop being a brainless parakeet for once and bring something new.. instead of rehashing what people have already posted in the same thread.. then asking a question that has already been answered in the previous post.

[Parkbandit]

Like you've never ignored a post before...

In her defense, she didn't ignore it.. she probably didn't understand it.

[Sean of the Thread]

Nice job ignoring the rest of the post..

In his defense there really wasn't anything of substance to ignore. Just clueless babble.

[Daniel]

Because, you know being a coward is the way to go.

[Sean of the Thread]

Personally I think being alive is the way to go in this situation.

[Parkbandit]

Because, you know being a coward is the way to go.

You view what she did as brave? I view it as being stupid. You know there is a huge target on your back, so you stick your most vulnerable body part (head/neck) out of a semi-safe area (bullet proof vehicle) to wave at people you don't know and haven't been secured.

It's sad that anyone would have to live like that... but it doesn't change the fact that it was a dumb move that got her killed.

[Kembal]

I had also heard (mind you, it was this morning.. and might now be dated or entirely incorrect) that she was relying on her own protection and not the Pakistani police.

Eh. She was forced to rely on her own protection...Musharraf refused to provide a significant level of official security.

With that said, I'm wondering why the U.S. didn't arrange for private security like they have for Harmid Karzai. If she's literally the only thing keeping U.S. policy toward Pakistan afloat, I'd think I'd do a better job of protecting her than just giving her intelligence intercepts.

[Sean of the Thread]

Eh. She was forced to rely on her own protection...Musharraf refused to provide a significant level of official security.

With that said, I'm wondering why the U.S. didn't arrange for private security like they have for Harmid Karzai. If she's literally the only thing keeping U.S. policy toward Pakistan afloat, I'd think I'd do a better job of protecting her than just giving her intelligence intercepts.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b236/Japgross/tfh1.jpg

[Kembal]

Hardly. I'm alleging incompetence on the part of the administration, not malfeasance.

[Parkbandit]

Eh. She was forced to rely on her own protection...Musharraf refused to provide a significant level of official security.

With that said, I'm wondering why the U.S. didn't arrange for private security like they have for Harmid Karzai. If she's literally the only thing keeping U.S. policy toward Pakistan afloat, I'd think I'd do a better job of protecting her than just giving her intelligence intercepts.


Well, we've 'officially' sided with Musharraf for the past few years.. how smart would it be to now side with someone else?

[Parkbandit]

Hardly. I'm alleging incompetence on the part of the administration, not malfeasance.


LOL.. you are somehow blaming Bush for this? Holy shit, even you can't be this stupid. How blinded by hatred you pathetic party has become.

[Ilvane]

Actually, it has been being said that we were supporting her to come back.

We officially supported Musharef because if we didn't, we'd have a pretty damned unstable place with nuclear weapons.

They are stupid, but they aren't THAT stupid.

Angela

[Kembal]

LOL.. you are somehow blaming Bush for this? Holy shit, even you can't be this stupid. How blinded by hatred you pathetic party has become.

This isn't about partisan politics, idiot.

She only came back because the U.S. asked her to. Condolezza Rice specifically arranged the deal in which Bhutto could come back to Pakistan and not be arrested or exiled again by Musharraf. (If you don't remember, Nawaz Sharif attempted to come back once under his own volition earlier this year and was exiled again by Musharraf to Saudi Arabia. Musharraf only let Sharif in the second time he came because Saudi Arabia leaned on Musharraf.) A power-sharing arrangement was supposed to be worked out between Musharraf and Bhutto upon her election as Prime Minister, but the deal fell through.

U.S. policy towards Pakistan was absolutely dependent on Bhutto. We've known that Musharraf was near his political end, based on the increasingly autocratic measures he was taking. He needed a moderate, pro-Western, democratic face on his government in order to provide continued stability, which the U.S. desperately needs there, and she provided that. If she's the linchpin of your policy, and you know that elements in the government as well as outside extremists are interested in taking her out, I would suggest that it might be a good idea to make sure she has enough protection.

U.S. policy in Afghanistan would be fucked if Karzai was killed, hence we provide him with private security. We could've damned well done the same for her, and it baffles me as to why we did not.

[Androidpk]

Bhutto was in talks with Musharraf to come back to Pakistan long before the U.S got involved, the only thing the U.S did was support her decision.

[TheEschaton]

The only crack whore here would be you.. since you decided to make that leap. Learn some reading comprehension skills please. No one blamed the victim here for her assassination. I stated that she knew her life was threatened.. she knew they wanted to kill her.. she knew they had attempted to kill her before.. and yet she didn't take the appropriate steps to safeguard her own well being.

MLK had had death threats against him, and yet he still stepped out on the balcony. Maybe it's his fault he got assassinated.

And you know what? JFK was sitting in the back of that open car - what a fool, to leave himself open to the public!

Or, if you want to make it more local - Rajeev Gandhi was at a campaign stop where he was meeting the people, when some woman with a bomb in her bouquet of flowers came up to him, handed the flowers to him, and detonated it - what a fucking fool for MEETING THE PEOPLE! I mean, his mother Indira had been assassinated, HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER!

It's amazing that for all the "personal responsibility" bullshit you spout that you wouldn't blame solely the assassin as opposed to the victim. Or does personal responsibility only apply when you have sympathy for the victim?

-TheE-

[Parkbandit]

MLK had had death threats against him, and yet he still stepped out on the balcony. Maybe it's his fault he got assassinated.

And you know what? JFK was sitting in the back of that open car - what a fool, to leave himself open to the public!

Or, if you want to make it more local - Rajeev Gandhi was at a campaign stop where he was meeting the people, when some woman with a bomb in her bouquet of flowers came up to him, handed the flowers to him, and detonated it - what a fucking fool for MEETING THE PEOPLE! I mean, his mother Indira had been assassinated, HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER!

It's amazing that for all the "personal responsibility" bullshit you spout that you wouldn't blame solely the assassin as opposed to the victim. Or does personal responsibility only apply when you have sympathy for the victim?

-TheE-

It's amazing you are trying to become a lawyer.. yet cannot understand a pretty simple concept that has been posted, reposted, explained and rehashed.

I give up on you man.. you've show no ability to learn and therefore a complete waste of my time.

[Daniel]

I give up on you man.. yo


I'm sure he's broken up about some hotel manager giving up on him.

[Parkbandit]

I'm sure he's broken up about some hotel manager giving up on him.


Actually.. I own my own business now. I used to manage hotels though.. but I'm unclear why you make it sound demeaning. Seriously.. it'll be better than anything you will ever amount to.

I know.. it's not your fault.. it's because you are black that you won't amount to shit. I know. Poor victim.

:cry:

[Gelston]

I remember a month or two ago seeing her on TV at the bar, and telling my buddy that I bet she gets waxed.

[Keller]

It's amazing you are trying to become a lawyer.. yet cannot understand a pretty simple concept that has been posted, reposted, explained and rehashed.

I give up on you man.. you've show no ability to learn and therefore a complete waste of my time.

Your tactics are so fucking predictable I think the atomic clock is set to them.

You're a joke. A fucking farce of a human being. And that's about the nicest thing I have to say at this point.

Maybe, at 40-something, you should stop playing video games 6+ hours a day, everday, and keep your daughters out of the whorehouse.

[Parkbandit]

Your tactics are so fucking predictable I think the atomic clock is set to them.

You're a joke. A fucking farce of a human being. And that's about the nicest thing I have to say at this point.

Maybe, at 40-something, you should stop playing video games 6+ hours a day, everday, and keep your daughters out of the whorehouse.

LOL.. awe, your guild broke down and now you want to lash out. I understand you are hurt and upset.

I especially like the part of "a fucking farce of a human being" and then call my 12 and 13 year old daughters whores. Insert hypocrite award pic here.. because that is simply pathetic.

I remember when I used to actually stick up for you when other officers called you a fucking loser. Every time you got upset about a game, you /gquit.. only to come back in. You are an unstable individual who gets so emotional about a simple game.

Clearly they were dead on... you are a fucking loser.

[Keller]

LOL.. awe, your guild broke down and now you want to lash out. I understand you are hurt and upset.

I especially like the part of "a fucking farce of a human being" and then call my 12 and 13 year old daughters whores. Insert hypocrite award pic here.. because that is simply pathetic.

I remember when I used to actually stick up for you when other officers called you a fucking loser. Every time you got upset about a game, you /gquit.. only to come back in. You are an unstable individual who gets so emotional about a simple game.

Clearly they were dead on... you are a fucking loser.

PB M.O., to a Tee. At least you don't dissapoint! :rofl:

[Gan]

PB M.O., to a Tee. At least you don't dissapoint! :rofl:

Pretty sad that you have to resort to calling someone's daughters whores in order to attempt to prove a point, especially since its in defense of another that the op was targeted towards.

Clearly you're in the win here. (-50,000 points)

[Keller]

Pretty sad that you have to resort to calling someone's daughters whores in order to attempt to prove a point, especially since its in defense of another that the op was targeted towards.

Clearly you're in the win here. (-50,000 points)

That's what happens to little girls who don't get enough of daddies time. I'm just preparing him for the inevitable.

[Asha]

Jesus you've decided to prove you're a fucking dickhead.

[Xaerve]

Keller's always been a dbag, moving right along...

[Keller]

Jesus you've decided to prove you're a fucking dickhead.

He's the one who decided to play a game instead of parenting his chidlren. I'm not saying it's his fault, but that he should have seen it coming.

[CrystalTears]

And here I thought a political thread couldn't get any lower.

[Ilvane]

Hey guys, knock it off with the personal insults. Back on topic.

Keller, those comments are more than a bit over the top. Please knock it off.

Angela

[Keller]

Hey guys, knock it off with the personal insults. Back on topic.

Keller, those comments are more than a bit over the top. Please knock it off.

Angela

I disagree on multiple levels.

First, it's a perfect example of PB rhetoic. Just take any personal knowledge you have of a person and construct the most insulting one-liner imaginable.

Second, it's sorta honest. I've thought, in the past, that I would bring it up in a civil way with him. That never happened and since I'd hit my limit on redundant PB bullshit insult posts, I decided to let the mud fly. I'd say the same thing about any parent who spends more than 20 hrs a week playing a video game. Aside from the obvious neglect, what sort of example are you setting for your children?

[Androidpk]

Ok Dr. Phil.

[Gan]

That's what happens to little girls who don't get enough of daddies time. I'm just preparing him for the inevitable.

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[Parkbandit]

I disagree on multiple levels.

First, it's a perfect example of PB rhetoic. Just take any personal knowledge you have of a person and construct the most insulting one-liner imaginable.

Second, it's sorta honest. I've thought, in the past, that I would bring it up in a civil way with him. That never happened and since I'd hit my limit on redundant PB bullshit insult posts, I decided to let the mud fly. I'd say the same thing about any parent who spends more than 20 hrs a week playing a video game. Aside from the obvious neglect, what sort of example are you setting for your children?

It's clear you are not a parent.. nor know a thing about it... or you would never have cross this line. You know absolutely ZERO how I care for my family. I happen to only have to work maybe 20 hours a week tops.. which leaves PLENTY of time for my wife and kids.

I'm going to let your posts go though.. because I know you are an emotional wreck right now because of a game.

Do me a favor though.. don't pretend to be my 'friend' in a game... then come here and act like the asshole you obviously have always been. I blame myself for trying to see the good in you after so many people told me I was wrong. You can't imagine the number of tells I got for talking you into buying Chumae...

But hey, my bad.

[Sean of the Thread]

moving right along...

Thanks for getting the motherfucking muppets stuck in my head.

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[ViridianAsp]

Ouch, while I agree the lady shouldn't have gone to a place where it was obvious she was going to be targeted. I can call her brave for fighting for her convictions, as I recall, we Americans do the same...and have for quite some time now.

And calling her stupid, is a little on the cruel side.

[Parkbandit]

Ouch, while I agree the lady shouldn't have gone to a place where it was obvious she was going to be targeted. I can call her brave for fighting for her convictions, as I recall, we Americans do the same...and have for quite some time now.

And calling her stupid, is a little on the cruel side.

Maybe stupid was a little cruel.. naive then?

If you knew there was a group of people that wanted to kill you and would do anything to accomplish that goal, including killing themselves.. wouldn't you do everything you could possibly do to ensure your own safety?

[Sean of the Thread]

Ouch, while I agree the lady shouldn't have gone to a place where it was obvious she was going to be targeted. I can call her brave for fighting for her convictions, as I recall, we Americans do the same...and have for quite some time now.

And calling her stupid, is a little on the cruel side.

Fighting for her convictions sure. Sticking your torso out of a bullet proof bubble in an unsecured environment after several assassination attempts prior = not the best course of action to fight for your convictions?

Just saying.

[ViridianAsp]

Maybe stupid was a little cruel.. naive then?

If you knew there was a group of people that wanted to kill you and would do anything to accomplish that goal, including killing themselves.. wouldn't you do everything you could possibly do to ensure your own safety?


Of course, but even everything sometimes isn't enough. If she backed out, what would kind of message would that have sent her supporters? They would have seen fear, maybe even abandoned her, not that I am saying they wouldn't understand considering the situation. But sometimes your acts can inspire or shadow who people think you are, when you are a political figure. We have that happen here constantly, you can be the greatest person in the world, you slip up once and usually it's never forgotten.

Hell if it were me I wouldn't have gone out there, hell no, I would have found a bunker put twenty locks on the door and cowered in the corner.