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Caiylania
10-11-2007, 08:13 PM
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21248862/site/newsweek/

Giving Peace a Chance
In an unprecedented letter, Muslim leaders across the globe invite the world’s Christians to the table.

By Emily Flynn Vencat
Newsweek
Updated: 9:33 a.m. CT Oct 11, 2007
Oct. 11, 2007 - Getting religious leaders to agree on anything is notoriously difficult. So this morning’s announcement—that 138 of the world’s most powerful Muslim clerics, scholars and intellectuals from all branches of Islam (Sunni and Shia, Salafi and Sufi, liberal and conservative) had come together to write a letter to the world’s Christian leaders—is being hailed as something of a miracle.

In a display of unprecedented unity, the letter—which calls for peace between the world’s Christians and Muslims—is signed by no fewer than 19 current and former grand ayatollahs and grand muftis from countries as diverse as Egypt, Turkey, Russia, Syria, Jordan, Palestine and Iraq. It is addressed to Christianity’s most powerful leaders, including the pope, the archbishop of Canterbury and the heads of the Lutheran, Methodist and Baptist churches, and, in 15 pages laced with Qur’anic and Biblical scriptures, argues that the most fundamental tenets of Islam and Christianity are identical: love of one (and the same) God, and love of one’s neighbor.

On this basis, the letter, entitled “A Common Word Between Us and You,” reasons that harmony between the two religions is not only necessary for world peace, it is natural. “As Muslims, we say to Christians that we are not against them and that Islam is not against them—so long as they do not wage war against Muslims on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes … Our very eternal souls are all at stake if we fail to sincerely make every effort to make peace,” the letter reads. “It’s an astonishing achievement of solidarity,” says David Ford, director of the Cambridge University’s Interfaith Program. “I hope it will be able to set the right key note for relations between Muslims and Christians in the 21st century, which have been lacking since September 11.”

One profound obstacle to establishing positive relations among mainstream Muslim and Christian groups, argues Ford, has been the lack of a single, authoritative Muslim voice to participate in such a dialogue. This letter changes that. “It proves that Islam can have an unambiguous, unified voice,” says Aref Ali Nayed, a leading Islamic scholar and one of the letter’s authors.

Getting the letter written was no mean feat. Highly placed and extremely well-connected leaders at Jordan’s Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute for Islamic Thought in Amman have been working for more than three years to make it happen. The institute won’t say who was the driving force behind the effort—if indeed it was any single person—because that would undermine its collaborative nature. But Nayed, whom experts believe was one of the key draftsmen, says that the country of Jordan and its leaders played a very important role. “Jordan is the Switzerland of the Middle East,” Nayed says. The Royal Institute was responsible for the widely read Open Letter to the Pope following his controversial speech last year, which was signed by 38 high-level Muslim leaders.

Prince Ghazi Bin Muhammed, the Royal Institute’s chairman, was likely instrumental in bringing the signatories together this time. As a member of the Jordanian royal family, Prince Ghazi is a powerful politician, and he is also considered by Muslims to be a direct descendent of the Prophet Muhammad. “The contacts wouldn’t be an issue [for him],” says John Esposito, Director of the Center for Muslim and Christian Understanding at Georgetown University.

Early responses indicate that Christian leaders are welcoming the “Common Word” with open arms. In Britain the bishop of London told NEWSWEEK that the letter would “invite” young people to view the world as “a place where dialogue is possible, instead of a place full of threats.” America’s evangelical Christian leaders are being similarly positive. Rod Parsley, senior pastor of the World Harvest Church in Ohio, says, “My prayer is that this letter begins a dialogue that results in Muslims and Christians uniting around the love we have for each other as God’s children.”

Even with such endorsements, the question remains: Will the letter have any practical impact? Could it possibly help reduce the incidence of violent extremism and terrorism? Experts hope that because the letter’s authors have millions of followers in both the Muslim and Christian worlds the answer is a (very qualified) yes. “Given that there’s no simple one-off solution to terrorism,” says Cambridge’s Ford, “this letter does have all the elements necessary to move in that direction.” Among those elements are the authors’ solidarity on the subject of nonviolence and their clear plea for greater understanding between followers of the two faiths.

Jordan’s Royal Institute sees the letter as the first step in a long process of opening up peaceful dialogue between Muslims and other religions around the world. A letter to the Jews is already in the works; the seeds of the next effort are evident in the current letter’s quotations not only from the New Testament but also from the Torah. Eventually, says Nayed, the Muslim signatories plan to write a missive to the secular community. “The world is a garden,” says Nayed. “We can focus on the weeds or we can focus on the fruit. And we are choosing to focus on the fruit.”

© 2007 Newsweek, Inc.


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To me, this is wonderful news.

senorgordoburro
10-11-2007, 08:19 PM
Not too long ago I was part of the security for a HUGE meeting/party for a bunch of Sheiks in Iraq. It was a huge gathering of almost 200 Sheiks in Ramadi that came together to help fight the insurgency. There has been a major turn in Iraq in the last year because events like this are becoming more common place and because of it the Iraqi Army and Police are more effective. Just a few years ago it was hard to work with the IA/IP's because many of them were actually either insurgents themselves or just working for them and they would give us intel that would have us walking into ambushes or on rare occasions we have been shot at by them on patrols.

TheEschaton
10-11-2007, 08:45 PM
“As Muslims, we say to Christians that we are not against them and that Islam is not against them—so long as they do not wage war against Muslims on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes …

Good luck, imams. Unfortunately, I happen to believe that some Christians are of the very mindset that to not be (their particular brand of) Christian is damnable, and should be stamped out at any cost. The same is obviously true from a sect of Muslims.

-TheE-

Mighty Nikkisaurus
10-11-2007, 11:09 PM
The E, there will always be groups of violent people and groups of extremists. The world has never existed without terrorists of some sort, when it really comes down to it.

This clearly defines that there is terrorism on both sides- something I've always felt, that fundamental Christianity keen on holy war is just as bad as Fundamental Islam keen on jihad.. But the problem, at least to me, is that these extreme sides have been the most vocal and loud, leading people to believe that the "problem" is far more wide-spread and massive than it truly is. I know people who believe ALL Muslims are terrorists.. and considering that Islam is the largest religion in the world and the fastest growing, that assumption is ridiculous and to me the only explanation IS a false view caused by of an overly-vocal minority of extremists.

Starting this kind of dialogue I don't think is going to immediately fix any problems, however, I really do believe that this is a wonderful step in a positive direction. People who favor peace over fighting and communication over force SHOULD be just as demanding in their views and loud and get as much attention as those who prefer more violent methods. Peace is obviously not always possible but they are opening up an avenue for Muslims and Christians who want peace to join together against violence as a way of solving disputes.

It's late, and I'm rambling, but this has made my week.

sst
10-11-2007, 11:24 PM
Sadly it means absolutely nothing. Extremists don't care, most of them are just criminals and thugs not true religious zealots. I often ran into instances where I knew more about Islam than the shit bags who tried to quote scripture to me when i was "speaking" to them.

Latrinsorm
10-12-2007, 10:45 AM
the only explanation IS a false view caused by of an overly-vocal minority of extremists.I'd say willful ignorance is the real root cause in those situations.

ViridianAsp
10-12-2007, 11:04 AM
I haven't seen holy war from both sides.

I have seen this country defend Israel. We support Israel, that is the Islamic World's grudge against us.

Christians haven't been battling since the Crusades, so I'd have to disagree on that.

I am a Christian, though not strict and conservative in my beliefs. Do I believe this letter of peace will be acknowledged by Christian leaders, not really. I mean, it will of course be graciously accepted, but I don't see Christians being put at ease by this letter.

Though I find the letter to be a great and honorable gesture. I just don't see this as being something that will make any great change.

Kuyuk
10-12-2007, 12:08 PM
I bet the pope laughs.

Then we crusade again.



K.

Mighty Nikkisaurus
10-12-2007, 01:39 PM
I'd say willful ignorance is the real root cause in those situations.

I don't think willful, truthfully. To some people it's amazing but then, the fact that most people have no clue what's gone on in Darfur or North Korea proves that a lot of people just take what the mainstream spits out at face value without looking deeper. Maybe that's willful but it's still a pretty large group of misinformed people.

Stanley Burrell
10-12-2007, 02:04 PM
I haven't seen holy war from both sides.

I have seen this country defend Israel. We support Israel, that is the Islamic World's grudge against us.

That would be one reason. But not that the Grand Mufti of Palestine pre-Balfour didn't see the Holocaust as a final solution as well. And a quadrillion other non-Israel related social reasonings, and lack thereof, as to violence on both sides of the equation.

People flew planes into our buildings because those hijackers were complete shit-to-the-heads. Hijacker #1-20 wasn't in the pangs of a hellishly introspective Mideast debate when he self exploded. Shit, you didn't even hear any Israel rhetoric from someone like OBL until after the 9-11 events. Opportunistic harboring of fanaticism shouldn't be substituted (and subsequently perceived) with a set of ground principles that the entire Islamic/Jewish/Christian/Buddhist/etc. world adheres to, ever, imho.


Christians haven't been battling since the Crusades, so I'd have to disagree on that.

The cross has been on the sword for a long time. I don't even know where to begin with this one. I wouldn't equate fanatic Jihad to the imperialism of a select Born-again few, but there is no way for anyone with an ounce of history recollection, without even toting an agenda, to say that Christianity's history of violence is limited exclusively to the Crusades.

More holy shit has been done in the name of religion than ... A lot of unholy shit.

Mighty Nikkisaurus
10-12-2007, 05:56 PM
I wouldn't equate fanatic Jihad to the imperialism of a select Born-again few,

Christians who, acting as vigilantes, kill people they percieve to be as sinners or hurt them/threaten them.. like homosexuals? People who strap themselves with explosives and blow up abortion clinics because they are religiously against them? (And also the same people who stand outside abortion clinics waving pictures misleading to the facts around in women's faces and yelling emotionally abusive phrases at them? And posting all of the person information of abortion doctors online and sending them death threats [and at times burning their homes and attempting to harm them?]) People who use Christianity as a basis for their racism and use it to bully minorities in their community?

It's not a majority of Christianity but the extremist Christians are JUST like the extremist Muslims. They are so wrapped up in their own beliefs they could care less if you have to kill others to get their point across. It's stupid and dangerous all the same.

Stanley Burrell
10-12-2007, 06:23 PM
Yeah, I just mainly meant in relation to those who are supposedly vocal too.