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Parkbandit
10-02-2007, 09:47 AM
"Freedom of speech is one of our country’s most cherished values,'' Reid told the Senate. "Nothing sets us further apart than the countries and regimes we oppose than our belief that everyone’s opinion matters, and everyone has the right to express it.

"That is why, when we hear things on the radio that are offensive, by and large, we tolerate them. But last week, Rush Limbaugh went way over the line – and while we respect his right to say anything he likes, his unpatriotic comments cannot be ignored.''

"What's most despicable is that Rush Limbaugh says these... things to make more money,'' Sen. Tom Harkin of Iowa, added on the Senate floor today. "I don't know, maybe he was just high on his drugs again.... If so, he should let us know,'' Harkin told the Senate. "I think the best thing to do is just tune him out. Tune out Rush Limbaugh.''


In his remarks, as prepared for delivery, Reid said more:

"During his show last Wednesday, Rush Limbaugh was engaged in one of his typical rants. This rant was unremarkable and indistinguishable from his usual drivel, which has been steadily losing listeners for years – until he crossed that line by calling our men and women in uniform who oppose the war in Iraq ‘phony soldiers.’

"This comment was so beyond the pale of decency that it cannot be left alone,'' Reid said. "And yet, he followed it up with denials and an attack on Congressman Jack Murtha, a 37-year active member of the Marine Corps.

"We have been debating the Iraq war here in the Senate and throughout the country for not months, but years. There are good, patriotic Americans who favor the war – and good, patriotic Americans who oppose President Bush’s handling of it. Neither party holds a patent on patriotism. I know all my Republican colleagues would agree with that.

"Yet Rush Limbaugh took it upon himself to attack the courage and character of those fighting and dying for him and for all of us. Rush Limbaugh got himself a deferment from serving when he was a young man. He never served in uniform. He never saw in person the extreme difficulty of maintaining peace in a foreign country engaged in civil war. Ye he thinks that his opinion on the war is worth more than those who are on the front lines.

"And what’s worse – Limbaugh’s show is broadcast on Armed Forces Radio, which means that thousands of troops overseas and veterans here at home were forced to hear this attack on their patriotism. Rush Limbaugh owes the men and women of our Armed Forces an apology.

"On Friday, many Democrats joined me in drafting a letter to the Chief Executive Officer of Clear Channel, Mark Mays that we will send out this week. Here is what we wrote:

"Dear Mr. Mays,

'At the time we sign this letter, 3,801 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq, and another 27,936 have been wounded. 160,000 others awoke this morning on foreign sand, far from home, to face the danger and uncertainty of another day at war.

'Although Americans of goodwill debate the merits of this war, we can all agree that those who serve with such great courage deserve our deepest respect and gratitude. That is why Rush Limbaugh’s recent characterization of troops who oppose the war as “phony soldiers” is such an outrage.

'Our troops are fighting and dying to bring to others the freedoms that many take for granted. It is unconscionable that Mr. Limbaugh would criticize them for exercising the fundamentally American right to free speech. Mr. Limbaugh has made outrageous remarks before, but this affront to our soldiers is beyond the pale.

'The military, like any community within the United States, includes members both for and against the war. Senior generals, such as General John Batiste and Paul Eaton, have come out against the war while others have publicly supported it. A December 2006 poll conducted by the Military Times found just 35 percent of service members approved of President Bush’s handling of the war in Iraq, compared to 42 percent who disapproved. From this figure alone, it is clear that Mr. Limbaugh’s insult is directed at thousands of American service members.

‘Active and retired members of our armed forces have a unique perspective on the war and offer a valuable contribution to our national debate. In August, seven soldiers wrote an op-ed expressing their concern with the current strategy in Iraq. Tragically, since then, two of those seven soldiers have made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq.

‘Thousands of active troops and veterans were subjected to Mr. Limbaugh’s unpatriotic and indefensible comments on your broadcast. We trust you will agree that not a single one of our sons, daughters, neighbors and friends serving overseas is a “phony soldier.” We call on you to publicly repudiate these comments that call into question their service and sacrifice and to ask Mr. Limbaugh to apologize for his comments.’

Reid told the Senate:

“Just as patriotism is the exclusive realm of neither party, taking a stand against those who spew hate and impugn the integrity of our troops is a job that belongs to all of us. I can’t help but wonder how my Republican colleagues would have reacted if the tables were turned – if a well-known Democratic radio personality had used the same insulting line of attack against troops who support the war.

“The letter I read will be available on the Senate floor for the entire day. My colleagues on both sides of the aisle will have every chance to add their names to it, and I encourage all of us to do so. If we take the Republican side at their word that last week’s vote on another controversial statement related to the war was truly about patriotism, not politics, then I have no doubt that they will stand with us against Limbaugh’s comments with equal fervor.

“I am confident we will see Republicans join with us in overwhelming numbers. Anything less would be a double standard that has no place in the United States Senate. I ask my colleagues, Democrat and Republican alike, to join together against this irresponsible, hateful, and unpatriotic attack by calling upon Rush Limbaugh to give our troops the apology they deserve.”

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It's absolutely laughable that Reid is the leader of the Senate. He takes a small snipet from that very credible source Mediamatters.com and spends all of this time and energy, demanding an apology from perhaps one of the biggest warhawks in the country, Rush Limbaugh.

It's too bad that Reid didn't come out against the moveon.org ad against the General with half this effort. It's also ashame that Reid didn't listen to the whole segment on the Limbaugh program...

What a complete and utter dumbass.

TheEschaton
10-02-2007, 10:00 AM
Eh, it seems like a valid complaint - calling real soldiers who oppose the war "phony soldiers"? I would think they'd have even greater standing to support or oppose the war, having been there.

What was the "larger segment" you're talking about, and what did Rush say during that?

As for Harry Reid, I admit he's a bit of a blowhard, but it's all politics as usual. Repubs decry one ad in the NYT, he decries one show of Rush's innumerable idiotic ones.

-TheE-

Parkbandit
10-02-2007, 10:32 AM
Eh, it seems like a valid complaint - calling real soldiers who oppose the war "phony soldiers"? I would think they'd have even greater standing to support or oppose the war, having been there.

What was the "larger segment" you're talking about, and what did Rush say during that?

As for Harry Reid, I admit he's a bit of a blowhard, but it's all politics as usual. Repubs decry one ad in the NYT, he decries one show of Rush's innumerable idiotic ones.

-TheE-

Rush was referring to some retard who didn't make it through Basic Training that claimed he was a Navy Seal in Iraq and witnessed killings and rapings of Iraqi civilians. It's too bad he was never actually there to witness these things.

These are the 'real' soldiers the left love to embrace and show how bad the military is.

Warriorbird
10-02-2007, 10:36 AM
About as valid as criticizing the Moveon ad. Not very in either case.

Parkbandit
10-02-2007, 10:41 AM
About as valid as criticizing the Moveon ad. Not very in either case.

You are kidding.. right?

The 'veteran' in question was Jesse Macbeth. Do yourself a favor and google it.

Come on back here after you are done and let us know if you learned anything.

chillmonster
10-02-2007, 10:55 AM
Rush said it's "always the phony soldiers" that they get. How is that referring to one person?

Parkbandit
10-02-2007, 11:29 AM
Rush said it's "always the phony soldiers" that they get. How is that referring to one person?


Well Chillmonster.. or can I just call you Backlash...

I didn't listen to the program.. so I can only go by the transcript. There was a caller who was referring to this wacko Jessee MacBeth and his crazy stories to liberal media outlets who would just put him on the air or quote him.. without actually checking into his actual history. Limbaugh was referring to him as a phony soldier.. but then goes into that the liberals always latch onto one of these phony soldiers to showcase as the example of a typical soldier. I don't think he mentioned any other specific cases, but Macbeth wasn't the first nutjobs to make false accusations.

Some Rogue
10-02-2007, 11:35 AM
SO FUCKING WHAT? I'm so sick of all the fucking pussies in this country who hear one little thing on the radio or tv or in the paper or wherever and then get their panties all in a bunch. OH NOEZ, HE HURT MY WITTLE FEEWINGS. Let's go make the bad man apologize and kiss our ass for saying what he did.

People wonder what's wrong with this country? A big part our problem is that we coddle people then when bad things happen to them, they can't deal with it.


Eh, it seems like a valid complaint - calling real soldiers who oppose the war "phony soldiers"? -TheE-

Then let them complain, let them protest, let them boycott advertisers or whatever but why does every political group have to jump on this kind of shit and use it for their advantage (And yes, I know both sides do it)?

It's time people in this country stood up, grew a thicker skin, and took care of their own shit instead of looking for someone else to take care of them.

Warriorbird
10-02-2007, 11:38 AM
I'm sorry you're a bit dim, Parkbandit. I was saying both incidents were stupid to care about. I don't approve of Harry Reid's stunt any more than the bullshit whining about MoveOn (that made them a ton of money). Limbaugh and Savage say much worse on a regular basis.

Gan
10-02-2007, 11:53 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Macbeth

Gotta love it.

Reid is just trying to score a point in response to the moveon.org ad.

Politics as usual. You can even note Reid's bias in how he attempts to describe Rush's show as drivel and 'losing listeners'.

:lol:

TheEschaton
10-02-2007, 11:54 AM
WIKIPEDIA IS NOT AN ACCURATE SOURCE OF INFORMATION OMFG!!!!!111!!!1oneeleven!11

Gan
10-02-2007, 11:58 AM
You forgot italics.

Parkbandit
10-02-2007, 12:20 PM
I'm sorry you're a bit dim, Parkbandit. I was saying both incidents were stupid to care about. I don't approve of Harry Reid's stunt any more than the bullshit whining about MoveOn (that made them a ton of money). Limbaugh and Savage say much worse on a regular basis.


There is a huge difference between the two imo. One is a snippet of an entire conversation that was taken out of context and one was a complete ad.

And while moveon.org made a ton of money with that ad (source?) it completely backfired and drew them more criticism than support.

Clove
10-02-2007, 01:04 PM
All of Reid's attention-mongering reminded me; does anyone know if Don Imus is definitely coming on the air with WABC?

Mighty Nikkisaurus
10-02-2007, 01:25 PM
Soldiers of the USA serve our country to protect our freedoms including our freedom to voice an opinion- even if many soldiers or other people may disagree with that opinion.

I'm not really sure if the quote was taken out of context, nor do I particularly care if it was. Rush Limbaugh can say that every soldier in the military is a child-raping pedobear for all I care, it's his right to say it even if I disagree and who am I to demand an apology because someone feels different than me and exercised their right to voice it? Of course Reid could have came out and just said, I heard what you said and I felt it was despicable. But to assert that this has crossed some sort of "constitutional" line? Pleeease.

I agree with Some Rogue, people need to stop being such pussies.

Celephais
10-02-2007, 01:32 PM
I agree with Some Rogue, people need to stop being such pussies.
I think this line was best summed up in the beginning of Old School:

"Sorry, your seatbelt seems to be broken, what do you recommend I do?"
"I recommend you stop being such a faggot. You're in the backseat."

Clove
10-02-2007, 01:51 PM
I agree with Some Rogue, people need to stop being such pussies.

Awww, but I like pussies.

ElanthianSiren
10-02-2007, 02:02 PM
Awww, but I like pussies.

Pussies get fucked by dicks (...and so on with the Team America rant).

I don't believe either individual has a valid complaint. Moveon's ad was pretty revolting, and Limbaugh's discussions tend to be, in general, baseless IMO.

What I found more disturbing was the rallying around the wagons about his drug use. Aren't we over that yet? Libs will be the first coming out decrying how addicts are treated in this country, but they follow up by taking shots at Rush for abusing prescription drugs and doctor hopping. -Great example setting there.

The two discussions (Moveon vs. Rush) beside each other sort of highlight how much political opinion depends on affinity IMO.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
10-02-2007, 02:14 PM
Pussies get fucked by dicks (...and so on with the Team America rant).

I don't believe either individual has a valid complaint. Moveon's ad was pretty revolting, and Limbaugh's discussions tend to be, in general, baseless IMO.

What I found more disturbing was the rallying around the wagons about his drug use. Aren't we over that yet? Libs will be the first coming out decrying how addicts are treated in this country, but they follow up by taking shots at Rush for abusing prescription drugs and doctor hopping. -Great example setting there.

The two discussions (Moveon vs. Rush) beside each other sort of highlight how much political opinion depends on affinity IMO.

Awesome post.

Keller
10-02-2007, 02:14 PM
The two discussions (Moveon vs. Rush) beside each other sort of highlight how much political opinion depends on affinity IMO.

Is that why PB is QQ'ing like a hippy-liberal who had his bong confiscated?

Blazing247
10-02-2007, 02:53 PM
Seeing as we have no real issues to debate in this country, I fully endorse this behavior as a good use of time and energy and an example to all on how to behave and be a productive member of society.

Where the fuck is that italic's button...

Sean of the Thread
10-02-2007, 02:54 PM
HOLY shit some people are completely retarded here.

I blame their parents.

Some Rogue
10-02-2007, 03:17 PM
HOLY shit some people are completely retarded here.

I blame their parents.

You know, you really shouldn't talk like that, it makes little Johnny feel bad.

He didn't know any better. Can't we just hug him and put him on time out in his room where he has his own tv, video games and a computer?

Parkbandit
10-02-2007, 03:36 PM
You know, you really shouldn't talk like that, it makes little Johnny feel bad.

He didn't know any better. Can't we just hug him and put him on time out in his room where he has his own tv, video games and a computer?


I thought hugging was also now banned.

Gan
10-02-2007, 04:07 PM
Seeing as we have no real issues to debate in this country, I fully endorse this behavior as a good use of time and energy and an example to all on how to behave and be a productive member of society.

Where the fuck is that italic's button...

Its either this shit or whats happening to Brittany's babies thats all over the headlines. Awesome news coverage.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/icons/icon13.gif

Boo.

Warriorbird
10-02-2007, 04:11 PM
http://www.ee0r.com/lolckyhorror/06-serious.jpg

Clove
10-02-2007, 04:17 PM
Pussies get fucked by dicks...

Because I can be juvenille and wanted that repeated.


The two discussions (Moveon vs. Rush) beside each other sort of highlight how much political opinion depends on affinity IMO.

Now you're onto something. Pit a MoveOn.org spokesperson against Rush for the ultimate in PPV entertainment. And I do mean entertainment; both are about as influencial in American politics and with the American public as the KKK or the Nation of Islam in my opinion.

Blazing247
10-02-2007, 04:40 PM
Its either this shit or whats happening to Brittany's babies thats all over the headlines. Awesome news coverage.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/icons/icon13.gif

Boo.

Eh, was talking about the Senate. You'd think they would have more productive ways to spend their time.

Warriorbird
10-02-2007, 04:46 PM
They do.

http://www.senatemetal.com/images/entrancelogo.jpg

http://www.senatemetal.com/

Gan
10-02-2007, 04:52 PM
Eh, was talking about the Senate. You'd think they would have more productive ways to spend their time.

lol

Senate and productive in the same sentence.

Thats like army intelligence.

Or Gemstone and roleplay.

Some Rogue
10-02-2007, 04:59 PM
lol

Senate and productive in the same sentence.

Thats like army intelligence.

Or Gemstone and roleplay.

Or young and PB.

Or legal resident and CT.

Or coherent and Stanley.

:wasntme:

Soulpieced
10-02-2007, 06:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iM-lrjl-sc&mode=related&search=

CrystalTears
10-02-2007, 07:04 PM
Or legal resident and CT.
I'm so kicking your ass later.

Stanley Burrell
10-02-2007, 07:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iM-lrjl-sc&mode=related&search=

Soulpieced won the internet.