The growing face of Title IX

[oldanforgotten]

So for those of you who don?t know, Title IX is re-asserting itself at the top of the NCAA, due to the arrogance and stupidity of many of this nations lawmakers. If you don?t know what Title IX is, it basically says that an equitable (in most cases, equal) number of total scholarships have to be given out for athletics to men and women. Due to the presence of college football having up to 85 unaccounted for scholarships (there is no women?s football), this has resulted already in many other sports that field both a men?s and women?s team having far more women on scholarship than men.

There are approximately half (a little bit less than half actually, as of 2003) women who play sports in high school as compared to men. This means a female who plays sports in high school has potentially twice the opportunity that a male to get an athletic scholarship. Furthermore, in order to accommodate this, many sports are funded that do nothing but hemorrhage money for a university. Take for example, track, or fencing, or swimming. 100?s of people are not only getting paid travel for games, tournaments, free food, and free board, all at the university?s expense, but no one other than the athlete?s parents gives two shits. In fact, most of them probably don?t give a shit about the sport either other than supporting their son/daughter. These costs for not only their education, and their additional expenses, are borne by the other students at the university, who often can be forced to foot hundreds of additional dollars per year in tuition to fund teams and freeloaders that no one cares about.

Fight Title IX today, and write to your congressman that the law and rule is bullshit. Comparing any other sport in college to men?s football, or men?s/women?s basketball is patently absurd. At least those athletes are helping to get funding for the school to offset their tuition and other expenses. The rest of them are good for nothing freeloaders who bank on the rest of the student population to innocuously pay for their lifestyle through college.
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[Celephais]

Personally I think it's bullshit that we pay for students to play football.

It's a school, you're there to learn, not to make out with out with you, continue with the boriphil.

[Keller]

This is going to be a train wreck of a thread.

:popcorn:

ps -- On topic: Cut softball. Those chicks, on average, are not chicks at all.

[oldanforgotten]

Personally I think it's bullshit that we pay for students to play football.

It's a school, you're there to learn, not to make out with out with you, continue with the boriphil.

In many cases, yes, but at the top level of D 1-A, those football players are helping you out too. A winning football team with tradition brings a tremendous amount of money into the university, most of it non earmarked. That means new buildings, computer labs, libraries, and resources for you free of charge. The big donors to a university can see tens of millions of dollars a year in donations tied directly to football and basketball success. There is no such thing as a ?fencing booster?, at least not that I?ve heard of. College athletic teams other than football and basketball bring precisely squat in, and cost a fortune to support. Those sports are funded by the profits of football and basketball, and if those profits don?t exist, then they are funded directly by your tuition and the school?s grants. Either way, you get to pay up to 100k a year per athlete in bullshit sport x for tuition, room and board, meals, travel, hotel, registration, insurance, and facilities and resource access, for someone to swim in a pool, while ?representing you?.

At least the big sports get students out to watch, and have a good percent, if not extreme majority of student interest.
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[Celephais]

I am not saying sports don't bring money into a college, I'm saying a college has no business using sports as a business. I love college sports, but it makes no fucking sense. What if churchs up and decided to start it's own league, and started making a ton of money doing it, how would that make any sense that an organization that recieves federal funding/relief was making a business out of it's position?

[Warriorbird]

Colleges...are a business.

Pro sports get all sorts of tax breaks/monopoly breaks.

Churches get HUGE tax breaks.

There's lots of stuff like that.

With that said, I think title IX isn't as much of an issue as people are making it out to be. If a school just sinks money into having one truly awesome women's team at something...it can be a good thing for the school and you can dodge a lot of that scholarship stuff by making and maintaining nice stadiums/practice fields.

Example...UNC women's soccer. They get more shine than anything but the men's basketball team there.

[Celephais]

Yeah I hardly think these "extra" scholarships they have to create are really hurting them.

I just think it's stupid that places meant for education are so heavily vested in sports, so much so that they disregard education for the best atheletes (Okafor et al, as an exception).

[oldanforgotten]

Colleges...are a business.

Pro sports get all sorts of tax breaks/monopoly breaks.

Churches get HUGE tax breaks.

There's lots of stuff like that.

With that said, I think title IX isn't as much of an issue as people are making it out to be. If a school just sinks money into having one truly awesome women's team at something...it can be a good thing for the school and you can dodge a lot of that scholarship stuff by making and maintaining nice stadiums/practice fields.

Example...UNC women's soccer. They get more shine than anything but the men's basketball team there.

They do?
I coulda swore with the hire of Butch Davis that men's football is bigger than women's soccer there. I'd say the women's basketball team also gets more fan support than soccer.

When a soccer stadium puts 15k PAYING customers reliably in the stands for each game, I'll bite at that. And most college soccer games are free of charge
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[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Sometimes scholarships aren't about economics. I disagree with your views, and think it should be an all or none. Either everyone is capable of getting scholarship, or no one. Who knows what could become the football of tomorrow?

[Latrinsorm]

There are approximately half (a little bit less than half actually, as of 2003) women who play sports in high school as compared to men.Well obviously we've achieved equality and don't need Title IX anymore!!

[thefarmer]

So because a sport doesn't make money you should cut it? I'm slightly confused.

[thefarmer]

Example...UNC women's soccer. They get more shine than anything but the men's basketball team there.

Some of our girls are hot too.

[Drew]

Well obviously we've achieved equality and don't need Title IX anymore!!



Your sarcasm seems to assume that an equal number of women should play sports, and also an equal number of women desire to play sports.

[Skeeter]

Some of our girls are hot too.

I'm not exactly dazzled by the beauty.

http://www.soccer-fans-info.com/images/Women-Soccer-collage-UNC.jpg

[DeV]

Doesn't really look like they are trying to be beautiful in that picture.

Just saying.

[Mistomeer]

Alot of sports, men's and women's, do nothing but cost a University money. For that matter, alot of college football programs cost the University the most amount of money. So if a school can have a football program that loses money year in and year out, why shouldn't that school have a volleyball program too? I don't understand the complaint I guess.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yeah, I can see that lots of them are pretty.

[Latrinsorm]

Your sarcasm seems to assume that an equal number of women should play sports, and also an equal number of women desire to play sports.Sarcasm???????

Seriously though, I would prefer some sociologist measure that kind of thing before I made a post declaring Title IX "bullshit". That's just me, obviously.

[Daniel]

Your sarcasm seems to assume that an equal number of women should play sports

Are you saying that women shouldn't play sports?

[Warriorbird]

Mia Hamm hasn't done too bad for herself. Honestly... I just want NCAA beach volleyball and they can Title IX all they want in my book.

[Apathy]

I'm not exactly dazzled by the beauty.

http://www.soccer-fans-info.com/images/Women-Soccer-collage-UNC.jpg

Too soon to say nappy?