Army Suicides Highest in 26 years.

[Ilvane]

Army Suicides Highest in 26 Years
By PAULINE JELINEK, Associated Press Writer
40 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Army soldiers committed suicide last year at the highest rate in 26 years, and more than a quarter did so while serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to a new military report.

The report, obtained by The Associated Press ahead of its scheduled release Thursday, found there were 99 confirmed suicides among active duty soldiers during 2006, up from 88 the previous year and the highest since the 102 suicides in 1991.

"Iraq was the most common deployment location for both (suicides) and attempts," the report said.

The 99 suicides included 28 soldiers deployed to the two wars and 71 who weren't. About twice as many women serving in Iraq and Afghanistan committed suicide as did women not sent to war, the report said.

Preliminary numbers for the first half of this year indicate the number of suicides could decline across the service in 2007 but increase among troops serving in the wars, officials said.

The increases for 2006 came as Army officials worked to set up a number of new and stronger programs for providing mental health care to a force strained by the longer-than-expected war in Iraq and the global counterterrorism war entering its sixth year.

Failed personal relationships, legal and financial problems and the stress of their jobs were factors motivating the soldiers to commit suicide, according to the report.

"In addition, there was a significant relationship between suicide attempts and number of days deployed" in Iraq, Afghanistan or nearby countries where troops are participating in the war effort, it said. The same pattern seemed to hold true for those who not only attempted, but succeeded in killing themselves.

There also "was limited evidence to support the view that multiple ... deployments are a risk factor for suicide behaviors," it said.

About a quarter of those who killed themselves had a history of at least one psychiatric disorder. Of those, about 20 percent had been diagnosed with a mood disorder such as bipolar disorder and/or depression; and 8 percent had been diagnosed with an anxiety disorder, including post traumatic stress disorder _ one of the signature injuries of the conflict in Iraq.

Firearms were the most common method of suicide. Those who attempted suicide but didn't succeed tended more often to take overdoses and cut themselves.

In a service of more than a half million troop, the 99 suicides amounted to a rate of 17.3 per 100,000 _ the highest in the past 26 years, the report said. The average rate over those years has been 12.3 per 100,000.

The rate for those serving in the wars stayed about the same, 19.4 per 100,000 in 2006, compared with 19.9 in 2005.

The Army said the information was compiled from reports collected as part of its suicide prevention program _ reports required for all "suicide-related behaviors that result in death, hospitalization or evacuation" of the soldier. It can take considerable time to investigate a suicide and, in fact, the Army said that in addition to the 99 confirmed suicides last year, there are two other deaths suspected as suicides in which investigations were pending.

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Associated Press reporter Lolita C. Baldor contributed to this report from Washington.

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What do you guys think of this?

Direct result of bad policies in not letting troops go home when expected, or just a result of more people being deployed?

Either way, it's very sad to hear that so many would take their lives.

Angela

[Drew]

Well it's clear we should pull out of Iraq immediately.

[CrystalTears]

There are more suicides during the holidays as well. Perhaps we should petition to have Christmas taken away too.

It's sad to see soldiers break down like that though.

[Stanley Burrell]

There are more suicides during the holidays as well. Perhaps we should petition to have Christmas taken away too.

I'd just address the problem first and foremost, because it is, y'know, a problem. You don't have to froth at the mouth with teh opinion rabies to recognize a statistic as disturbing at its core.

[Ilvane]

I didn't say anything about pulling out of Iraq right away. I was asking what you all thought about the way it's affecting the troops.

Angela

[The Ponzzz]

It sucks. It sucks that we have to send our nation's kids there.

But life sucks as well.

[Sean of the Thread]

I forgot Illvane had a PhD.

[SpunGirl]

If any of you have read the story of Alyssa Peterson, then that's a very scary account of how this war can affect a good person. If you haven't, then read it here:

http://www.fallenheroesmemorial.com/oif/profiles/petersonalyssar.html

Alyssa was the sister of a very good friend of mine. I think what's even sadder about the situation is that her family refuses to accept her suicide, and has stated that they feel she was killed for "seeing something she shouldn't have," and that the military covered it up.

-K

[Daniel]

War sucks. Either you deal or you don't.

[Sean of the Thread]

My uncle wore a helmet for 30 years 24/7 AFTER he came back from Vietnam. That includes showers.

[SpunGirl]

War sucks. Either you deal or you don't.

Blunt but true. If you (general you) don't think you can handle it, be thankful someone else can and does.

-K

[Sean of the Thread]

Posttraumatic Stress Disorder ain't nothing to fuck wit! Posttraumatic Stress Disorder ain't nothing to fuk wit!

[Ilvane]

I think a lot of these people that go think they can handle it.

I wonder what we can do to help them when the come back to try and help out, or even what they can have in place in Iraq or Afghanistan to try and prevent the suicides.

I can't imagine going into that environment, I have a lot of respect for those that do.

Angela

[Sean of the Thread]

Again refer to my PhD comment. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about atm..

Maybe you could organize cuddle parties upon their return to ease their tensions or perhaps some soothing (cringe) karoake.

[Ilvane]

Such a compassionate human being you are, Sean2.

Angela

[Sean of the Thread]

Me thinking you have nothing to offer on the subject suggests I lack compassion?

[Ilvane]

No making comments about "cuddle" parties, and so forth.

Why would I ever think you'd add something to a conversation aside from insults, anyway?

:shrug:

Angela

[Sean of the Thread]

Only drop and insult where an insult is warranted. I REALLY try to leave you alone but you're just so gd stupid it's hard sometimes.

[Gan]

War sucks. Either you deal or you don't.

This pretty much sums it up.

[Skeeter]

I do think they should have a better transition system upon bringing soldiers home, other than here you go thanks for serving the country, GL in the future.

[Sean of the Thread]

It's just not the transition home as the article said... a lot of these people are getting their lives turned upside down financially and what not. Hell Dave is bragging about 22k.. walmart cashier range.

I've seen what Post traumatic stress does to people.. my uncle.. one of my best friends (ranger).. it fucks you up. He's basically got his fight or flight going like 24/7 and it causes flip outs.

These pussies killing themselves over money or wives/husbands need to have their corpse kicked in the genitals repeatably for 6 days before burial. That's just fucking stupid...

[Ilvane]

"In addition, there was a significant relationship between suicide attempts and number of days deployed" in Iraq, Afghanistan or nearby countries where troops are participating in the war effort, it said. The same pattern seemed to hold true for those who not only attempted, but succeeded in killing themselves.

This is what bothered me a bit. I heard on the news that quite a few of the troops have been staying longer than originally planned, and it seems like according to this, it may be a bad idea to not give them a break.

Anyway, the point of this for me was that I hope that this news gives the administration and congress good reason to make sure they have the proper support system for the troops that come back.

Angela

[TheSmooth1]

I still don't know how the fuck you attempt suicide.

I don't know how it is during war or anything, but my old man tells me almost all his expensives were paid while he was in the Marines. Housing, food, everything.

So that's 22k you get to spend on just about anything.

[Parkbandit]

LOL..

Everytime I see Ilvane post, the only thing I can think of is Sean posting


like Ilvane level stupid

[Warriorbird]

Ilvane's not that hot. Is there something in you and Sean2's aspiration to be on her constantly, Parkbandit?

[AestheticDeath]

Ouch! Is that like a triple edged blade or what?

[Sean of the Thread]

Ilvane's not that hot. Is there something in you and Sean2's aspiration to be on her constantly, Parkbandit?

I'm on stupid posts from Illvane like Edaarin on dudes at a frat party.

[Gelston]

Iraq and Afghanistan fucks people up mentally, I've seen it alot. I don't know anyone that has waxed themselves or thought about it though. Usually it makes people more aggressive towards civilians, especially the ones that say things such as "No I didn't join the military, because I'm not fucking stupid!" Thats another story though.

[Sanstrian]

.
No I didn't join the military, because I'm not fucking stupid!

[Silhouette of Doom]

I actually agree. I didn't join the military, and it was because I'm not fucking stupid.

[Gelston]

Nice of you to create an account just to post that.

[Daniel]

I'd go with the You didn't join because you are big saggy vagina. But that's just me.

[Kyra231]

I actually agree. I didn't join the military, and it was because I'm not fucking stupid.

Yeah because only morons join the military, it takes a civilian to stand around and bitch about them ALL to show how smart they are.

~K.

[Gan]

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/11/01/johnkerry_narrowweb__300x348,0.jpg




"You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

[TheEschaton]

Funny, I don't need to create a new account either to say I didn't join the military because I'm not fucking stupid either. I would never be killed for a war I think is unjustified, not well thought out AT ALL, and outright stupid.

-TheE-

[Goretawn]

Funny, I don't need to create a new account either to say I didn't join the military because I'm not fucking stupid either. I would never be killed for a war I think is unjustified, not well thought out AT ALL, and outright stupid.

-TheE-

Intelligence has nothing to do with whether one should join the military or not. It is a personal matter that one has to come to in their mind and heart. Oh, and the idea is not to be killed, it is to kill the other fucker.

[Celephais]

I'm on stupid posts from Illvane like Edaarin on dudes at a frat party.

Hah! This got a laugh out of me... but yeah you jumped on Ilvane's posts before she even started saying something too stupid.


Yeah because only morons join the military, it takes a civilian to stand around and bitch about them ALL to show how smart they are.

~K.

I think very very few soldiers join up because they're stupid. Whilst some might join up for the incentives, others (and I won't speculate on quantity) have a very strong belief system backing them. And I think they see their pride/honor/whatever it might be as more important then their lives. This makes them realists in the sense that they understand that everyone is going to die. So whilst preaching jackasses will continue with they're stupid little endeavors (me included) they're doing something that is quite a bit more philanthropic* than the rest of us.

*I don't think any act is selfless, because if you do something good for someone, you do it because it makes you feel good to do something good or right.

[Sean of the Thread]

What do you guys think of this?

Direct result of bad policies in not letting troops go home when expected, or just a result of more people being deployed?



Her limiting the reasons to the above set off the stupid meter.

[Ninja]

Just send me over there!!

[Parkbandit]

Funny, I don't need to create a new account either to say I didn't join the military because I'm not fucking stupid either. I would never be killed for a war I think is unjustified, not well thought out AT ALL, and outright stupid.

-TheE-

LOL.

Am I the only one that finds TheE funny? He chose to not join the military so he could become a lawyer.

Other than politician, is there another profession out there that most people despise?

[Asha]

rofl

[Parkbandit]

Just send me over there!!

I BET THIS IS BACKLASH!

[Tea & Strumpets]

Funny, I don't need to create a new account either to say I didn't join the military because I'm not fucking stupid either.

That is such an ignorant thing to say, and if anything, is a glowing neon sign demonstrating your stupidity on many different levels.

[Gelston]

Pretty much, not only are you calling everyone currently in the military stupid, but everyone that has ever enlisted or been commissioned. I hope you enjoy that.

[Tea & Strumpets]

Also, if you spent even just a few minutes out of every day in reality instead of fantasyland, you would realize that you couldn't even get into France's army.

[Ilvane]

LOL.

Am I the only one that finds TheE funny? He chose to not join the military so he could become a lawyer.

Other than politician, is there another profession out there that most people despise?

Depends on what kind of lawyer.

Angela

[Ilvane]

Lets not let this degrade into a "the military is stupid" thread.

I disagree that the military is stupid, really, unless you count the people who have been running the show. The actual troops over there, they just do what they are told to do.

I actually am hoping that when the administration sees these numbers they will do more to help the troops handle the war, and the after-effects of the war.

[Some Rogue]

WASHINGTON - Army soldiers committed suicide last year at the highest rate in 26 years, and more than a quarter did so while serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to a new military report.

The report, obtained by The Associated Press ahead of its scheduled release Thursday, found there were 99 confirmed suicides among active duty soldiers during 2006, up from 88 the previous year and the highest since the 102 suicides in 1991.



1991 is not 26 years ago....


1991 was Desert Storm..where the fighting ended for the most part in February. So I'm guessing most of the suicides happened after the war was over.

This is not a slanted "news" story at all.

[TheEschaton]

Instead of joining the army, I joined the Peace Corps. Then, I went to law school so I could be a prosecutor. ;)

And stupidity only applies to people who signed up specifically to fight in this war. Which I think is nothing short of insane.

-TheE-

[Asha]

You don't sign up tp protect your country with harsh language E.

[Daniel]

It's funny, but as someone who was in the military and now works in the field of post conflict reconstruction, the stupidity began and mostly ended within the civilian sector.

Last time I checked, it was the military saying that it required more than a few days and a couple thousand soldiers to get the job done in Iraq.

It's pretty asinine to relegate someone joining the military as simply being a function of their intelligence. That has hardly anything to do with it at all. That may or may not determine where you end up, but even within itself there is very little correlation.

You may think that you're too smart to not die for something you don't believe in, but at the same time I find it equally abhorrent that you would let someone die for something you feel is ill conceived. I find it repungnant that you find your own personal safety beyond helping people who really need the assistance.

To each his own I guess and if I'd had the choice I'd much rather be called stupid.

[Trouble]

1991 is not 26 years ago....


1991 was Desert Storm..where the fighting ended for the most part in February. So I'm guessing most of the suicides happened after the war was over.

This is not a slanted "news" story at all.

The highest number is different than the highest rate.

[TheEschaton]

Oh, I don't doubt that there's many factors which go into why people join the military. But in this case, in this situation, in this war, knowing who was running it, I think it's insane to put those factors over the knowledge that the people who began this war (Rummy, Cheney, Bush) are absolute idiots.

Furthermore, I have no problem with dying for a cause. This is not a cause to die for, however. This is a sham, a farce, and, for some of us, a treasonous act by a President who has become a complete and abject failure. As for me saying "let someone die for something [I] feel is inconceived", I A) was against this war from the beginning, B) am still against it, C) don't think any of our troops should be there, and D) think they should come home, but E) think we may now have a moral duty to fix what we may have broke. Whose fault is E? Oh yeah, this Administration's.

-TheE-

[Gelston]

Instead of joining the army, I joined the Peace Corps. Then, I went to law school so I could be a prosecutor. ;)

And stupidity only applies to people who signed up specifically to fight in this war. Which I think is nothing short of insane.

-TheE-

I signed up August 21st 2001. I reenlisted while in Iraq last April because I love this shit. Opinions may differ on the war, you may just think its a clusterfuck or whatever you read on the news. You know what I did there? I was working with the Iraqi army. I was helping to train them to take over their own crap, and it gave me an actual feeling of accomplishment when they set up their own base. When they began to do things on their own. I could give two shits about the politics behind why we are there.

[Ilvane]

((My source was comcast, um, associated press))

Not slanted, that I know of.

Angela

[Some Rogue]

The highest number is different than the highest rate.

Then why quote the rate then give hard numbers? To mislead or slant the story?

[Daniel]

You may think that you're too smart to not die for something you don't believe in, but at the same time I find it equally abhorrent that you would let someone die for something you feel is ill conceived. I find it repungnant that you find your own personal safety beyond helping people who really need the assistance.

To each his own I guess and if I'd had the choice I'd much rather be called stupid.


Just so I don't have to retype that all again.

[Blazing247]

Furthermore, I have no problem with dying for a cause.
-TheE-

I'm going to go ahead and call you out on this one. If the draft ever reactivates, I hope they force immigrants like you and your family to enlist first. Maybe then you can justify your armchair quarterback politician position.

[Goretawn]

Furthermore, I have no problem with dying for a cause.

-TheE-

What kind of cause. The intentional murder of innocent civilians by persons from another country? (Many of those we are fighting in Iraq are not from Iraq but Seria, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia....). The murder of innocent civilians by persons from their own country's government? (Saddam gassing the Turks in Northern Iraq.) The abuse of persons by powerful people? (Saddams son rapping, branding and killing women for fun.) Protecting civilians and military personnel who are constructing schools, and police stations to better help the community and future of a country? (What we are doing every day) Training a defunct military that has no real strength to defend it's borders and stop the inward destruction of it's people? (Yup, doing that too). Hmm, what are your so called causes you are willing to die for? Your right to go to starbucks and get a venti caramel machiato (those are my favorite)?

Just my rantings.

[Ilvane]

Blazing, I don't think his opinions have anything to do with being an immigrant, to be fair.

Everyone has a right to the opinion they don't want to serve a war that is unjust in their eyes.

Would I would go as far and say I think those that join in the war are stupid, no. I don't think that at all, myself.

TheE did his time in the Peace Corps, you might see that as service to his country, just in a different way.

Angela

[Parkbandit]

Instead of joining the army, I joined the Peace Corps. Then, I went to law school so I could be a prosecutor. ;)

And stupidity only applies to people who signed up specifically to fight in this war. Which I think is nothing short of insane.

-TheE-


Thankfully, there are normal people in this country who disagree with everything that you are and believe. Way to step up the stupidity level in Backlash's 3rd hiatus.

[Parkbandit]

((My source was comcast, um, associated press))

Not slanted, that I know of.

Angela


I bolded the important section of your post... clearly you are too stupid to know what a slanted story is.

[Ilvane]

Last time I checked, the AP was not slanted.

Unless, you have something to prove otherwise.

Angela

[Sean of the Thread]

Lol did she just call the AP unbiased?

[Valthissa]

Army Suicides Highest in 26 Years
By PAULINE JELINEK, Associated Press Writer
40 minutes ago


What do you guys think of this?

Direct result of bad policies in not letting troops go home when expected, or just a result of more people being deployed?

Either way, it's very sad to hear that so many would take their lives.

Angela

Called in to my psychiatry expert during lunch.

She says the answer is most likely none of the above.

Suicide rates vary more than 11% annually (closer to 25% was the figure she gave me).

To here her tell the story, it's a well studied phenomenon, particularly military suicides.

I agree with the sentiment that it's sad they took their own lives, whatever the reason.

C/Valth

[Ilvane]

I'd love to see some studies on this, just to see what the trends are at times of war.

Angela

[CrystalTears]

Studies on what? On how wars suck and shit happens in them? You think because you have found statistics and studies that suddenly someone higher is going to say, ya know, wars DO suck, let's stop having them, yeah.

Christ.

[Ilvane]

No, a bit more deep than that.

Like what is causing the troops to feel this way, what needs to be done to help those coming back, what could have helped to stop these people from feeling suicidal after coming back, what support we could give them, what needs to be in place to slow down the levels of suicide in war veterans.

Overall, just taking care of them when they come back or during war, so they don't feel or become suicidal.

That make more sense?

Angela

[Daniel]

It probably has something to do with seeing people shot in the face or blown the fuck up .

[TheEschaton]

The causes I'd be willing to die for are more like the causes Gandhi and King died for. ;)

But like the saying says, "It takes courage to die for a cause...it takes even more to live for one." I'm also willing to live for my causes as well.

-TheE-

[Danical]

I can't log in to my research database from here but here's a few non-military based suicide/war research.

Department of Psychiatry, University of Jaffna, Sri Lanka.

A study on the effect of war on the suicide rate in Jaffna town for the 10-year period from 1980 to 1989 is reported. There was a marked drop in the suicide rate during the war, notably among males and youth. An inverse relationship between suicide and homicide rates was shown in the overall trends, particularly in 1987. It is hypothesized that war may function as an alternate to suicide. The use of agrochemicals for suicidal purposes declined during war, while alary seeds became more popular. The method chosen may reflect availability and cultural popularity.


Political Integration and the Effect of War on Suicide: United States, 1933-76
James R. Marshall
Social Forces, Vol. 59, No. 3 (Mar., 1981), pp. 771-785

Explanations of the effect of war on the suicide rate and the need to disentangle the effects of economic and political integration in the relation of the suicide rate to war are noted. Most explanations ignore economic conditions; they imply that the direct effect of a great national war on the suicide rate is a result of the war's generation of political integration and political integration's subsequent depressing of the tendency to suicide. If such explanations are correct, a great national war should, with economic conditions held constant, decrease suicide. An examination of trends in suicide rates among white U.S. adults does not show, however, that war directly decreases the suicide rate.

I can't access their methodology, lit review, or physical data so I have no way of assessing the validity of the research.

[Danical]

It probably has something to do with seeing people shot in the face or blown the fuck up .

ding, ding, ding.

3 of the 4 military friends I know with PSD said they lost it when their really close friends died in "gruesome" ways.

[Deadelf]

Actually Daniel I think that part of the cause might be that in those zones there isn't a front line there is no going to rear for some rest and relaxation. Talk about a burn out, I always thought that of all the types of conflict that I as a soldier could be in the one I'd never want would be an on going urban conflict with varied and unknown enemies.

Sadly I think we are seeing that this indeed does cause a level of stress and depression that we've never seen before in soldiers. I served ten years in a combat arms MOS and got out long ago, hell I joined when it was really unpopular to join the miliary due to the fall out of the clusterfuck that was the politics around Vietnam.

What can I say I was young and full of my own sense of immortality at the time back then and wanted to see the world and put off deciding what I wanted to be when I grew up.

Though I'm sure that seeing someone shot in the face isn't a pleasant thing I think the bigger picture of basically being in combat or potentially in combat all the time with unknown enemies all the time has just got to wear you down.

That's my spectulation, I'm sure there are other factors as well. I know that back during the cold war we used to study the Warsaw pact defenses closely and always thought that parts of eastern europe would be a nightmare to fight in if the balloon ever went up. The conflict in the recent past in Bosina showed some of that nightmare with all the moutainous cave systems and other urban built up areas.

Anyhow I do wish that the government would stop paying lip service to the wellfare of our soldiers today and really give them what they need, whether it's treatment, equipment, rest and recovery or more money. ( I just know that back in the early eighties that Reagon did alot to get us soldiers the pay increases that we needed to meet the cost of living in the U.S. Bush senior, Clinton and Bush junior it haven't done the same so finiancally these soldiers are struggling which causes more stress)


Enough of my rambling babble, in the end it's a situation that needs to be corrected in my opinion.

Jim

[Daniel]

Yea, and that sense of "Realness" never really sets in until you see someone shot in the face or blown the fuck up and you realize it can happen to you.

War sucks. It's nothing new.

[LazyBard]

Of course it also sucks when you come home early from a 15 month deployment due the shrapnel in the chest from a roadside bomb which makes it difficult if not impossible to stand or walk for any decent amount of time or distance. Then you get the fun process of fighting with the VA for 6 to 12 month for disability benefits or for them to pay for the corrective surgery so you can find a job you are qualified for.

[Sean]

You know what this thread needs? A little guildrat or dave ranting.

[Blazing247]

What the fuck T, did you seriously just ask for some Dave?

[Sean]

Purely for entertainment value. A little pompous Dave rant can go a long way. I mean chipping your tooth on your own rifle or a good U NOT SOLDIER U NOT KNOW rant can still generate a good laugh.

[Keller]

You know what this thread needs? A little guildrat or dave ranting.

The thing about Guildrat is that that dude needs to change his avatar back.

I don't even remember what his new avatar is, but I do remember that I was really disapointed when he changed it.

I mean, didn't his old avatar totally represent everything he was? Everytime I looked at it, I felt it was totally appropriate.

[Snapp]

To try and keep this thread at least a little on-topic, I moved the racial stuff here:
http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?t=26577

[Stretch]

I'm on stupid posts from Illvane like Edaarin on dudes at a frat party.

I haven't been to a frat party in almost four years.

I do my bro hunting at clubs, kthx

[sst]

My favorit line on this ive heard so far "Im to scared to go out, I thinking about killing myself" -unnamed soldier
Needless to say people off themselves, it happens, gotta love them Dear Jon letters

[sst]

No, a bit more deep than that.

Like what is causing the troops to feel this way, what needs to be done to help those coming back, what could have helped to stop these people from feeling suicidal after coming back, what support we could give them, what needs to be in place to slow down the levels of suicide in war veterans.

Overall, just taking care of them when they come back or during war, so they don't feel or become suicidal.

That make more sense?

Angela
Um... yeah I dont know, getting blown up, watching friends get blown up, having to clean up after some terrorist drove a car bomb into the middle of a market, stuff like that kinda puts a damper on ones outlook on life

There are a bunch of programs for people both while they are deployed and when they are back, the problem lies in the soldier being willing to get help. Without them making the effort nothing can be done.

[Sean of the Thread]

I heard the casualty rate of teeth in the army is at an all time high as well.

[Some Rogue]

I heard the casualty rate of teeth in the army is at an all time high as well.

At least they have teeth...unlike you people in the South.

:medieval:

[Sean of the Thread]

We actually have dentists in the 19th largest metro in the US.

[Keller]

We actually have dentists in the 19th largest metro in the US.

Why don't you go to them?

[DeV]

Why don't you go to them?
If you lived in God's waiting room you wouldn't bother going to the dentist anymore either.

[Asha]

We don't have dentists.

[Skeeter]

You must live in England

[Gan]

You must live in England

ROFL
^^^
winner

[Keller]

If you lived in God's waiting room you wouldn't bother going to the dentist anymore either.

There is a Parkbandit joke here somewhere, but I can't find it.

[DeV]

Just admit that there's just something about being old and decrepit that makes you think of PB.

[Gan]

There is a Parkbandit joke here somewhere, but I can't find it.

Same place where he left his teeth.


:whistle:

[Parkbandit]

Son of a...

[Goretawn]

Son of a...
Democrat?

[Kyra231]

I can't begin to think how these guys can keep their spirits 'up' when they hear they are coming home from a deployment in one war zone only to be sent back out on another one within the next year.

I have give them props for holding it together in situations most of us can't begin to imagine & send my condolences to the families of the guys who aren't able to handle it.

~K.

[Messiah]

War Is Hell. Earth Is What You Make It. Heaven Is Possible.

[Asha]

Thanks for that.

[Latrinsorm]

Thanks for that.He is what he is. (Like Popeye.)

[Asha]

He is what he is. (Like Popeye.)

Heath Ledger is ****awesome****.

Tell Tayre to stop hacking your account with his NASA abilities

[sst]

I can't begin to think how these guys can keep their spirits 'up' when they hear they are coming home from a deployment in one war zone only to be sent back out on another one within the next year.

I have give them props for holding it together in situations most of us can't begin to imagine & send my condolences to the families of the guys who aren't able to handle it.

~K.

Same way when you're 2 months from going home and you find out your staying an aditional 4.

Suck it up and make the best of it.

[Latrinsorm]

Tell Tayre to stop hacking your account with his NASA abilitiesI put tin foil on my roof and everything. :(

[Asha]

:(

[Clove]

I'd go with the You didn't join because you are big saggy vagina. But that's just me.

:rofl: Okay respect to Daniel for that post.