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Kembal
08-07-2007, 11:08 AM
Pretty biting words from Newt Gingrich towards the Administration. I don't think he'd win the Republican nomination if he decided to run, but he'd be a formidable Independent candidate.

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2007/08/03/newt0803.html


Gingrich says war on terror 'phony'
Former speaker says energy independence is key

By BOB DEANS
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 08/03/07

Washington — Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said Thursday the Bush administration is waging a "phony war" on terrorism, warning that the country is losing ground against the kind of Islamic radicals who attacked the country on Sept. 11, 2001.

A more effective approach, said Gingrich, would begin with a national energy strategy aimed at weaning the country from its reliance on imported oil and some of the regimes that petro-dollars support.

"None of you should believe we are winning this war. There is no evidence that we are winning this war," the ex-Georgian told a group of about 300 students attending a conference for collegiate conservatives.

Gingrich, who led the so-called Republican Revolution that won the GOP control of both houses of Congress in 1994 midterm elections, said more must be done to marshal national resources to combat Islamic militants at home and abroad and to prepare the country for future attack. He was unstinting in his criticism of his fellow Republicans, in the White House and on Capitol Hill.

"We were in charge for six years," he said, referring to the period between 2001 and early 2007, when the GOP controlled the White House and both houses of Congress. "I don't think you can look and say that was a great success."

Thursday's National Conservative Student Conference was sponsored by the Young America's Foundation, a Herndon, Va.-based group founded in the 1960s as a political counterpoint to the left-leaning activists who coalesced around the civil rights movement and opposition to the Vietnam War.

Gingrich retains strong support among conservatives and ranked fifth among possible Republican nominees behind former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, with the backing of 7 percent of those queried in a ABC News/Washington Post poll taken last week. The poll surveyed 403 Republicans and Republican-leaning adults nationwide and has a 5 percentage-point margin of error.

"I believe we need to find leaders who are prepared to tell the truth ... about the failures of the performance of Republicans ... failed bureaucracies ... about how dangerous the world is," he said when asked what kind of Republican he would back for president.

Gingrich has been promoting a weekly political newsletter he calls "Winning the Future." It's available free to those who leave their e-mail addresses at
www.winningthefuture.net, one of several Web sites he is connected with or operating. Gingrich began writing the newsletter in April 2006, and it now goes out to 311,000 readers each week, said Gingrich spokesman Rick Tyler.

Political salon

At another Web site — www.americansolutions.com — Gingrich is running a virtual political salon, with video clips, organizational information and contacts revolving around his conservative vision for the country's future. It asks supporters to join in an Internet "Solutions Day" on Sept. 27, the anniversary of Gingrich's so-called Contract With America, a slate of conservative policies he led through Congress as speaker of the House a decade and a half ago.

"What I'm trying to start is a new dialogue that is evidence-based," Gingrich said Thursday. "It doesn't start from the right wing, it doesn't start from the left wing," he said, but is an effort to get politicians and voters to "look honestly at the evidence of what isn't working and tell us how to change it."

Gingrich was interrupted with applause once, when he called for an end to the biting partisanship critics say has polarized national politics and paralyzed the workings of government.

"We have got to get past this partisan baloney, where I'm not allowed to say anything good about Hillary Clinton because 'I'm not a loyal Republican,' and she's not allowed to say anything good about me, or she's not a 'loyal' Democrat. What a stupid way to run a country."

He reserved his most pointed criticism for the administration's handling of the global campaign against terrorist groups.

"We've been engaged in a phony war," said Gingrich. "The only people who have been taking this seriously are the combat military."

His remarks seemed to reflect, in part, the findings of a National Intelligence Estimate made public last month.

In the estimate, the U.S. intelligence community concluded that six years of U.S. efforts to degrade the al-Qaida terrorist group had left the organization constrained but still potent, having "protected or regenerated" the capability to attack the United States in ways that have left the country "in a heightened threat environment."

"We have to take this seriously," said Gingrich.

"We used to be a serious country. When we got attacked at Pearl Harbor, we took on Imperial Japan, Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany," he said, referring to World War II.

"We beat all three in less than four years. We're about to enter the seventh year of this phony war against ... [terrorist groups], and we're losing."

Successful approach

Gingrich said he would lay out in a Sept. 10 speech what a successful U.S. approach to this threat would have looked like over the past six years.

"First of all, we have to have a national energy strategy, which basically says to the Saudis, 'We're not going to rely on you,' " he said.

The United States imports about 14 million barrels of oil a day, making up two-thirds of its total consumption.

Gan
08-07-2007, 11:10 AM
He's old news trying to become new news. No suprise there.

Landrion
08-07-2007, 11:19 AM
Hed be a formidible ca---Huh wha?

That guy was a joke when he had a party.

Ilvane
08-07-2007, 11:29 AM
Eh, scares me when I agree with Newt.

:sigh:

Angela

CrystalTears
08-07-2007, 11:49 AM
Eh, scares me when I agree with Newt.

:sigh:

Angela
:lol:

Quoting for posterity.

Ilvane
08-07-2007, 12:22 PM
Yeah, imagine how I feel!! :lol:

He's really right though..frightens me.

Angela

DeV
08-07-2007, 12:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN9cqtJTvF4

Gan
08-07-2007, 12:27 PM
Yeah, imagine how I feel!! :lol:

He's really right though..frightens me.

Angela

Its no secret that energy dependance is a key issue. I dont think he's right on the war on terror synopsis.

I'm suprised that this part of his rhetoric didnt alarm you...



"We used to be a serious country. When we got attacked at Pearl Harbor, we took on Imperial Japan, Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany," he said, referring to World War II.

CrystalTears
08-07-2007, 12:41 PM
Gan, if you don't start learning how to spell surprise, I'll cut you, bitch.

Gan
08-07-2007, 12:46 PM
LOL

My fingers arent working this morning.

suRprise!

Parkbandit
08-07-2007, 03:44 PM
Eh, scares me when I agree with Newt.

:sigh:

Angela


Doesn't surprise me in the least.

Gee.. you agree with someone who disagrees with the Bush administration.

You are a one trick pony.

Ilvane
08-07-2007, 04:00 PM
I wish you actually had an opinion sometimes, rather than just bashing other people's opinions. I think it gets old after a while.

Angela

CrystalTears
08-07-2007, 04:04 PM
He had an opinion about your opinion. OMGFREECOUNTRY!

Keller
08-07-2007, 04:04 PM
I wish you actually had an opinion sometimes, rather than just bashing other people's opinions. I think it gets old after a while.

Angela

Imagine how he feels.

He's had to live with himself for at least 63 years.

Ilvane
08-07-2007, 04:08 PM
So Gan, what my thought is that we should be much more active in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

I wouldn't have gone to Iraq, quite yet. I would have given more time for diplomatic action and sanctions to work. I would have gone to the place where Bin Laden(who masterminded the plan on 9/11 who attacked us), and got him first.

If they had done this, they would have gone after the person responsible. Now we've gone to Iraq, Bin Laden is still going strong, now Al Queda is helping fund insurgents in Iraq, and it's only brought us backwards. Do I think Newt is completely right, not really. But he's pretty damned close.

Angela

Gan
08-07-2007, 04:33 PM
Yeah, imagine how I feel!! :lol:

He's really right though..frightens me.

Angela


Do I think Newt is completely right, not really. But he's pretty damned close.

Angela

Make up your mind will you?

Latrinsorm
08-07-2007, 04:35 PM
"First of all, we have to have a national energy strategy, which basically says to the Saudis, 'We're not going to rely on you,' " he said.More than 3/4 of our oil imports come from outside of the Middle East. Naughty, naughty Mr. Gingrich!!

Parkbandit
08-07-2007, 05:55 PM
I wish you actually had an opinion sometimes, rather than just bashing other people's opinions. I think it gets old after a while.

Angela

I wish you actually had an opinion sometimes, rather than just agreeing with anyone who disagrees with Bush. I think it gets old after a while.

And here's my opinion of you: You are stupid.

Ilvane
08-07-2007, 05:56 PM
And the feeling is mutual.

Kembal
08-07-2007, 07:01 PM
More than 3/4 of our oil imports come from outside of the Middle East. Naughty, naughty Mr. Gingrich!!

Saudi Arabia, however, is No. 2 on the countries we import from, accounting for 1.57 million barrels of crude oil per day in May 2007. And these statistics indicate that its share of US oil imports is increasing, not decreasing. (compare May 06 vs. May 07)

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html

I would argue also, that since 15% of our oil imports are coming from Saudi Arabia, the American economy would be badly hurt if that oil suddenly were shut off due to instability or any other reason. That would indicate a reliance on that source of oil.

Finally, the sheer amount of dollars pouring into a country that is known to be funding the extremist religious movement that is the source of inspiration (and probably money) for the terrorists that are attacking us would indicate that reducing that amount of dollars would be a good idea.

TheEschaton
08-07-2007, 08:09 PM
Gingrich also said the American Left is committed to American Defeat in the war on terror. He's still a nutbag.

Latrinsorm
08-07-2007, 11:04 PM
I would argue also, that since 15% of our oil imports are coming from Saudi Arabia, the American economy would be badly hurt if that oil suddenly were shut off due to instability or any other reason. That would indicate a reliance on that source of oil.I'd argue that if it really would be so debilitating than it wouldn't be possible for us to so blithely form a "national strategy" to overcome it. Can't have it both ways, and all that.

I'd further argue that as imports only make up 2/3 of our consumption, we're really only talking about a drop to 90% if we suddenly slammed the door on Saudi Arabia. Since oil only counts for what, 50% of our energy use? We're talking about a drop to 95% energy consumption. Noticeable, certainly (especially since oil is used for so much more than energy), but "badly hurt" is a bit of a stretch, eh?
And these statistics indicate that its share of US oil imports is increasing, not decreasing.Well, not really. April '07 is indistinguishable from May '06. May '07 could easily be an outlier, there would really need to be closer examination of the factors involved before someone could say it's increasing or decreasing.
Finally, the sheer amount of dollars pouring into a country that is known to be funding the extremist religious movement that is the source of inspiration (and probably money) for the terrorists that are attacking us would indicate that reducing that amount of dollars would be a good idea.There are plenty of terrorists that have attacked us that didn't know Wahhabism from wascally wabbits. I also think it's pretty ridiculous to suggest that any religion is "the" source of inspiration for anyone, but that's probably a separate topic.

Jessaril
08-07-2007, 11:50 PM
From a personal standpoint; buying from Venezuela is now alot more of a issue then Saudi Arabia.

Gan
08-08-2007, 07:02 AM
From a personal standpoint; buying from Venezuela is now alot more of a issue then Saudi Arabia.

Yea, ask Citgo about freakshow Chavez's effect on US sales of petrol...
and thats just customer preference.

Jessaril
08-08-2007, 09:55 AM
Yea, ask Citgo about freakshow Chavez's effect on US sales of petrol...
and thats just customer preference.

Of course alot of the local gasstations taking down their Citgo signs says alittle bit about that as well.

serra7965
08-08-2007, 10:27 AM
Although I am not a Newt fan I have to say I think what he is trying to convey is that this war is not unlike the part of WWII that was called the "Phoney War" in Britain and "the Joke War" in France.

Kembal
08-08-2007, 04:41 PM
I'd argue that if it really would be so debilitating than it wouldn't be possible for us to so blithely form a "national strategy" to overcome it. Can't have it both ways, and all that.

If someone said that it was possible to create and implement such a strategy, and expect it to produce results in the short term (1 to 2 years), I'd agree with you that it'd be pretty much fantasy. However, a national energy strategy would produce long-term results that would end up reducing our reliance on sources of oil that we deem unstable or not in our interest to buy from. Right now, we don't have that flexibility.


I'd further argue that as imports only make up 2/3 of our consumption, we're really only talking about a drop to 90% if we suddenly slammed the door on Saudi Arabia. Since oil only counts for what, 50% of our energy use? We're talking about a drop to 95% energy consumption. Noticeable, certainly (especially since oil is used for so much more than energy), but "badly hurt" is a bit of a stretch, eh?

Put it at 90%, since we weren't looking at total energy consumption. A 10% loss of supply would be a dramatic hit to the economy. A good way to look at how the cost of oil affects the economy is to look at fuel surcharges charged by freight companies. Those would skyrocket, and prices across the economy would jump as a result.


Well, not really. April '07 is indistinguishable from May '06. May '07 could easily be an outlier, there would really need to be closer examination of the factors involved before someone could say it's increasing or decreasing.

Good point. I went and downloaded the entire series history. Turns out that May '07 isn't really an outlier....Feb '07 and Mar '07 were outliers in terms of imports from Saudi Arabia (dramatically low, but imports were low across the board). However, May '07 is just a shade higher than the average level of imports from Saudi Arabia, so you're right, it's too soon to conclude that it's increasing.


There are plenty of terrorists that have attacked us that didn't know Wahhabism from wascally wabbits. I also think it's pretty ridiculous to suggest that any religion is "the" source of inspiration for anyone, but that's probably a separate topic.

I would say that Wahabism drives the leaders of certain terrorist groups. Or if not that, it's their religious-political cover for their actions. The ground-level suicide bomber, not so much.

Parkbandit
08-08-2007, 07:43 PM
Gingrich also said the American Left is committed to American Defeat in the war on terror. He's still a nutbag.


But, aren't they though?

TheEschaton
08-08-2007, 07:43 PM
No, they are not.

Parkbandit
08-08-2007, 07:50 PM
No, they are not.

Wake up.

TheEschaton
08-08-2007, 08:03 PM
hahahahahahahahahahaha

sst
08-09-2007, 06:49 AM
I wish you actually had an opinion sometimes, rather than just bashing other people's opinions. I think it gets old after a while.

Angela

We wish you had an opinion as well, aside from anything that is against President Bush's views on the subjects.