Assaulting the Assault On Reason

[Gan]

In his new book, The Assault on Reason, Al Gore pleads, "We must stop tolerating the rejection and distortion of science. We must insist on an end to the cynical use of pseudo-studies known to be false for the purpose of intentionally clouding the public's ability to discern the truth." Gore repeatedly asks that science and reason displace cynical political posturing as the central focus of public discourse.

If Gore really means what he writes, he has an opportunity to make a difference by leading by example on the issue of global warming.

A cooperative and productive discussion of global warming must be open and honest regarding the science. Global warming threats ought to be studied and mitigated, and they should not be deliberately exaggerated as a means of building support for a desired political position.

Many of the assertions Gore makes in his movie, ''An Inconvenient Truth,'' have been refuted by science, both before and after he made them. Gore can show sincerity in his plea for scientific honesty by publicly acknowledging where science has rebutted his claims.

For example, Gore claims that Himalayan glaciers are shrinking and global warming is to blame. Yet the September 2006 issue of the American Meteorological Society's Journal of Climate reported, "Glaciers are growing in the Himalayan Mountains, confounding global warming alarmists who recently claimed the glaciers were shrinking and that global warming was to blame."

Gore claims the snowcap atop Africa's Mt. Kilimanjaro is shrinking and that global warming is to blame. Yet according to the November 23, 2003, issue of Nature magazine, "Although it's tempting to blame the ice loss on global warming, researchers think that deforestation of the mountain's foothills is the more likely culprit. Without the forests' humidity, previously moisture-laden winds blew dry. No longer replenished with water, the ice is evaporating in the strong equatorial sunshine."

Gore claims global warming is causing more tornadoes. Yet the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change stated in February that there has been no scientific link established between global warming and tornadoes.

Gore claims global warming is causing more frequent and severe hurricanes. However, hurricane expert Chris Landsea published a study on May 1 documenting that hurricane activity is no higher now than in decades past. Hurricane expert William Gray reported just a few days earlier, on April 27, that the number of major hurricanes making landfall on the U.S. Atlantic coast has declined in the past 40 years. Hurricane scientists reported in the April 18 Geophysical Research Letters that global warming enhances wind shear, which will prevent a significant increase in future hurricane activity.

Gore claims global warming is causing an expansion of African deserts. However, the Sept. 16, 2002, issue of New Scientist reports, "Africa's deserts are in 'spectacular' retreat . . . making farming viable again in what were some of the most arid parts of Africa."

Gore argues Greenland is in rapid meltdown, and that this threatens to raise sea levels by 20 feet. But according to a 2005 study in the Journal of Glaciology, "the Greenland ice sheet is thinning at the margins and growing inland, with a small overall mass gain." In late 2006, researchers at the Danish Meteorological Institute reported that the past two decades were the coldest for Greenland since the 1910s.

Gore claims the Antarctic ice sheet is melting because of global warming. Yet the Jan. 14, 2002, issue of Nature magazine reported Antarctica as a whole has been dramatically cooling for decades. More recently, scientists reported in the September 2006 issue of the British journal Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society Series A: Mathematical, Physical, and Engineering Sciences, that satellite measurements of the Antarctic ice sheet showed significant growth between 1992 and 2003. And the U.N. Climate Change panel reported in February 2007 that Antarctica is unlikely to lose any ice mass during the remainder of the century.

Each of these cases provides an opportunity for Gore to lead by example in his call for an end to the distortion of science. Will he rise to the occasion? Only time will tell.

James M. Taylor is senior fellow for environment policy at the Heartland Institute.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/450392,CST-EDT-REF30b.article

[TheEschaton]

The Heartland Institute is a joke. Have you read the book? I have, and it's not about the environment. He has one chapter, out of many, on it.

-TheE-

[Parkbandit]

The Heartland Institute is a joke. Have you read the book? I have, and it's not about the environment. He has one chapter, out of many, on it.

-TheE-

Take Gore's cock out of your mouth long enough to see the many, many inconsistencies of his claims that are refuted by science and then maybe I'll take you seriously.

[TheEschaton]

Take the time to read the book, and that chapter in the book, where, with footnotes, he discusses the reality of global warming, and how the right wing media uses fake, corporate-sponsored findings/scientists to promote their viewpoint.

-TheE-

[Tolwynn]

Take the time to read the book, and that chapter in the book, where, with footnotes, he discusses the reality of global warming, and how the right wing media uses fake, corporate-sponsored findings/scientists to promote their viewpoint.

How about the whole thing with global warming causing more hurricanes, then? It was a very easy thing to say in the wake of a century event that brought Katrina and all of the other record number of hurricanes in a single year.

And yet, if global warming is getting worse, as they say it is... and if it is a cause of more hurricanes, as they say it is... then why was there a dramatic drop in the amount of hurricanes the following year? Where are the monster hurricanes a la Katrina this year?

While global warming is a very real issue, trying to back it up with bs scare tactics about natural disasters isn't exactly helping the case for dealing with it either.

[Tsa`ah]

James M. Taylor is senior fellow for environment policy at the Heartland Institute

I would think by now, people would investigate the source before they post.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Heartland_Institute

[TheEschaton]

His claim was that hurricanes, on average, will be half a category stronger.

-TheE-

[Clove]

While global warming is a very real issue, trying to back it up with bs scare tactics about natural disasters isn't exactly helping the case for dealing with it either.

Ditto!!!

[Latrinsorm]

I would think by now, people would investigate the source before they post.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Heartland_InstituteRight, because after all, he doesn't cite any outside sources.

Er...
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2811

I even got the guy's webpage for you.
http://www.geog.ucl.ac.uk/~awarren/

He's not on sourcewatch, so you might have to (perish the thought!) decide on his reliability based solely on his scientific evidence.

Would you like me to do the same for the rest of the cited evidence?

[Parkbandit]

Take the time to read the book, and that chapter in the book, where, with footnotes, he discusses the reality of global warming, and how the right wing media uses fake, corporate-sponsored findings/scientists to promote their viewpoint.

-TheE-

Here, feel free to read all these websites and articles of scientists who think Global Warming isn't based upon sound, scientific research:

[Google Video] - The Great Global Warming Swindle (2007)
[Google Video] - The Great Global Warming Swindle
[YouTube] - Global Warming - Doomsday Called Off
[YouTube] - Climate Catastrophe Cancelled
Man-made Global Warming - So What If It's a Hoax? By Geoffrey P. Hunt
EARTH IN THE BALANCE Don't Believe the Hype Al Gore is wrong. There's no "consensus" on global warming. BY RICHARD S. LINDZEN
FREE INQUIRY Climate of Fear Global-warming alarmists intimidate dissenting scientists into silence. BY RICHARD LINDZEN
Why Global Warming is Probably a Crock By James Lewis
[PDF] - Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth One-sided, Misleading, Exaggerated, Speculative, Wrong By Marlo Lewis, Jr.
Gorey Truths 25 inconvenient truths for Al Gore. By Iain Murray
Chill out over global warming By David Harsanyi
HOT & COLD MEDIA SPIN CYCLE: A CHALLENGE TO JOURNALISTS WHO COVER GLOBAL WARMING SENATOR JAMES INHOFE CHAIRMAN, SENATE ENVIRONMENT AND PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE
Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball
There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998 By Bob Carter
Resisting Global Warming Panic By J.R. Dunn
A Necessary Apocalypse By J.R. Dunn
GORE'S HOT AIR FLAKY FLICK SUFFERS FROM 'TRUTH' DECAY by Kyle Smith
ALL THAT HOT AIR IS BAD FOR EARTH by Kyle Smith
Inconvenient Truths for Al Gore A Skeptic's Guide to An Inconvenient Truth By Marlo Lewis
Gore's flying visit questioned
Group questions level of energy use at Gore home High electric billing records show 'green power' also was purchased By ANNE PAINE
Al Gore’s Personal Energy Use Is His Own “Inconvenient Truth” Gore’s home uses more than 20 times the national average
GORE CRITICIZED FOR HIGH ENERGY BILL
Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth'? -- $30,000 utility bill
Gore Responds to Charges His House Uses Too Much Electricity
A Modest Proposal to Eco-Celebs Clarice Feldman
Green Power Switch®
Gore may get doctorate By Elena Rozwadowski
Al Gore rains on his party Andrew Bolt
Celebs Who Claim They're Green but Guzzle Gas
Citadel, Shaw, Tudor Shun Global Warming as Short Sales Climb
Say what? The report on global warming you didn't hear about BY TARA SERVATIUS
The IPCC Should Leave Science to Scientists By Marc Sheppard
Global warming activists turn storms into spin
FOX News Poll: Most Americans Believe in Global Warming By Dana Rohinsky
Global Warming Effects Could Be Seen in 10 Years Giant Mirrors to Deflect Sun Suggested as a Possible Solution
AMS CERTIFIED WEATHERMAN STRIKES BACK AT WEATHER CHANNEL CALL FOR DECERTIFICATION
Remember Global Cooling? Why scientists find climate change so hard to predict. By Jerry Adler
[PDF 1975] - Newsweek: The Cooling World
Amazing Mars picture show planet's 'dramatic climate changes'
Cosmic rays blamed for global warming By Richard Gray, Science Correspondent, Sunday Telegraph
On Global Warming: Follow the Money Indeed! By David Asman
Who's Afraid of Global Warming? By J.R. Dunn
An experiment that hints we are wrong on climate change Nigel Calder, former editor of New Scientist, says the orthodoxy must be challenged
Del. global warming skeptic stands pat State climatologist on opposite side of governor in court case By JEFF MONTGOMERY
Del. scientist's view on climate criticized Ties to big oil, industry-funded lobbies draw criticism By JEFF MONTGOMERY
NOT THAT SIMPLE GLOBAL WARMING: WHAT WE DON'T KNOW By ROY W. SPENCER
Al Gore, Global warming, Inconvenient Truth Scientists respond to Gore's warnings of climate catastrophe "The Inconvenient Truth" is indeed inconvenient to alarmists By Tom Harris
Harper's letter dismisses Kyoto as 'socialist scheme'
AEI Critiques of Warming Questioned Think Tank Defends Money Offers to Challenge Climate Report By Juliet Eilperin
Two New Books Confirm Global Warming is Natural, Moderate
The real deal? Against the grain: Some scientists deny global warming exists Lawrence Solomon, National Post
Climatologist Timothy Ball sends PhD to Canada Free Press By Judi McLeod
Global Hot Air Greenhouse hysteria. By Thomas Sowell
Global Hot Air: Part II By Thomas Sowell
Global Hot Air: Part III by Thomas Sowell
Climate change: our fault, or cosmic consequence? JAMES MORGAN, Science Reporter
Global warming is a theory, not scientific fact By PETER WORTHINGTON
AMERICA REACTS TO SPEECH DEBUNKING MEDIA GLOBAL WARMING ALARMISM
Global warming 'over-hyped'? By Christina Bellantoni
Media climate By Greg Pierce
Al Gore full of hot air: Klein, Gore bashes oil sands development By FRANK LANDRY
Global Warming's Real Inconvenient Truth By Robert J. Samuelson
Two New Books Confirm Global Warming is Natural; Not Caused By Human Activity Drudge Report
Humans' beef with livestock: a warmer planet By Brad Knickerbocker
Scientist Alleging Bush Censorship Helped Gore, Kerry By Marc Morano
Spokesman for U.S. senator says global warming skeptics are 'demonized'
Will the sun cool us? LAWRENCE SOLOMON
No change in political climate By Ellen Goodman
Global-warming skeptics cite being 'treated like a pariah' By Eric Pfeiffer
Global warming debate spurs Ore. title tiff VINCE PATTON
Bad Research, Worse Reporting on Global Warming By Dennis Byrne
Inconvenient Kyoto Truths George F. Will
Global Warming Skeptics Shunned By Fred Lucas
Global Warming: Just Another Liberal Orthodoxy Chris Adamo
Cleveland's weather wizards downplay global warming Michael Scott
Antarctic temperatures disagree with climate model predictions
The "carbon sink" and global warming James Lewis
More Hot Air on Global Warming By Roger Aronoff
Flights of Fancy by Gregg Easterbrook
Hollywood Golightly An interview with Hollywood eco-crusader Laurie David By Amanda Griscom
Who is Laurie David
Can't stand the heat? Laurie David wants you Ray Richmond
Why is global warming a forbidden topic for most TV weather reporters? Climate change is "controversial" and bad for ratings. By Linda Baker
Kyoto is pointless, say 60 leading scientists By Philip Sherwell
What about the left-wingers who put politics over science? Jay Ambrose
Experts question theory on global warming Anil Anand
The Executive Ranch The scoop on Bush's Texas getaway By Umbra Fisk
Prairie Chapel Ranch From Wikipedia
Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
Statistics needed -- The Deniers Part I
Warming is real -- and has benefits -- The Deniers Part II
The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science -- The Deniers Part III
Polar scientists on thin ice -- The Deniers Part IV
The original denier: into the cold -- The Deniers Part V
The sun moves climate change -- The Deniers Part VI
Will the sun cool us? -- The Deniers Part VII
The limits of predictability -- The Deniers Part VIII
Look to Mars for the truth on global warming -- The Deniers Part IX
Limited role for C02 -- the Deniers Part X
End the chill -- The Deniers Part XI
Clouded research -- The Deniers Part XII
Allegre's second thoughts -- The Deniers XIII
The heat's in the sun -- The Deniers XIV
Unsettled Science -- The Deniers XV
Bitten by the IPCC -- The Deniers XVI
Little ice age is still within us -- The Deniers XVII
Fighting climate 'fluff' -- The Deniers XVIII
Science, not politics -- The Deniers XIX
Greenhouse effect is a myth, say scientists By JULIE WHELDON
Gore's guru disagreed -- The Deniers XX
The ice-core man -- The Deniers XXI
Some restraint in Rome -- The Deniers XXII
Discounting logic -- The Deniers XXIII
Dire forecasts aren't new -- The Deniers XXIV
They call this a consensus? - Part XXV
NASA chief Michael Griffin silenced - Part XXVI
Forget warming - beware the new ice age - Part XXVII
The Great Global Warming Swindle
Global-warming theory and the eugenics precedent By John Linder
'Hannity & Colmes' Lists More Than 70 Scientists Skeptical of Global Warming Hysteria Show proves case isn't closed, discusses major new documentary. By Dan Gainor
Bush's Ranch House 'Far More Eco-Friendly' Than Gore's By Randy Hall
All those scientists may still be wrong By Martin Livermore
Global Warming will make you healthy and sexy By James Lewis
Profit of Doom - Bill Hobbs
Carbon credits: indulgence or commutation fee? Thomas Lifson
Valentine bouquets 'are bad for the planet' By Nicole Martin
Global-warming theory and the eugenics precedent By John Linder
Sun Responsible for Global Warming
[XLS file] - Skeptic Scientists
Polar bears 'thriving as the Arctic warms up' By Fred Langan in Toronto and Tom Leonard
Global Warming Is Not a Crisis OPINION By PHILIP STOTT
Danish scientist: Global warming is a myth
GLOBAL 'SUNSCREEN' HAS LIKELY THINNED, REPORT NASA SCIENTISTS
Researchers Question Validity Of A 'Global Temperature'
Hummer Greener Than Prius?
UK (C4) Documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle
Al Gore's Science Fiction A Skeptic's Guide to An Inconvenient Truth by Marlo Lewis, Jr.
[PDF] - Al Gore’s Science Fiction A Skeptic’s Guide to An Inconvenient Truth By Mario Lewis, Jr.
[PDF] - A Skeptic’s Primer on Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth One-Sided, Misleading, Exaggerated, Speculative, Wrong By Marlo Lewis, Jr.*
[PDF] - Some Convenient Distortions A Brief Guide to Distortions, Misleading Statements, Exaggerations, and Errors in Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth* By Marlo Lewis, Jr.†
Gore plan will harm us all By MARLO LEWIS JR
Czech leader Klaus fights global warming 'religion'
NASA Finds Sun-Climate Connection in Old Nile Records
AL'S WARMING LIES & THE REAL 'INCONVENIENT TRUTH' By IAIN MURRAY
Dazzling new images reveal the 'impossible' on the Sun
The Big Chill by Kirk A. Maasch
150 Years of Global Warming and Cooling at the New York Times
Global warming on trial Sixth-graders decide that humans aren’t to blame By Ben Ready
Gore's Faith Is Bad Science By Michael Barone
In age of reason, the brouhaha over global warming can leave you cold
Critic takes longer view of warming NED ROZELL ALASKA SCIENCE
Global warming hits Mars too: study
Study: Red planet heating up
Forecaster says Al Gore does 'great disservice' with film about global warming Says Gore "a gross alarmist" By CAIN BURDEAU
Why So Gloomy? By Richard S. Lindzen
[2004] - Sunspots reaching 1,000-year high
Scientist: Warming not caused by humans
Climate change skeptics say it's hard to get heard
Global warming debate 'irrational': scientists Stephanie Stein
Industry caught in carbon ‘smokescreen’ By Fiona Harvey and Stephen Fidler in London
Is Global Warming a Sin? Alexander Cockburn
Climate change hits Mars - Jonathan Leake
A New Ice Age: The Day After Tomorrow? by Brad Lemley
[1996] - A Major Deception on Global Warming Op-Ed by Frederick Seitz
Hurricane Forecaster: Oceans Cause Global Warming, Not CO2
Scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming From Wikipedia
Earth's Climate Is Seesawing, According To Climate Researchers Science Daily
Scientists blame global warming on rice
Not the End of the World as We Know It By Olaf Stampf
SUNDAY SPECTATOR May 13, 2007 Getting cooler
Did the U.N.’s IPCC Report Exaggerate CO2 Increases to Hype Global Warming?
Climate Momentum Shifting: Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made Global Warming - Now Skeptics
Global warming debunked By ANDREW SWALLOW
[Video] - Dr. Gray: People not to blame for global warming
So how did An Inconvenient Truth become required classroom viewing? Even climate change experts say many of the claims in Al Gore's film are wrong. Kevin Libin
Water Vapor Rules the Greenhouse System
[Audio] - Dr. Gray Talks with Schnitt regarding Global Warming 05-22-2007 - Part 1 | Part 2 | Part 3 | Part 4 | Part 5 | Part 6
INHOFE OPENING STATEMENT: The Issue of the Potential Impacts of Global Warming on Recreation and the Recreation Industry" May 24, 2007
Junk Science: Hot Air Study Melts Global Warming Theory By Steven Milloy
NASA Administrator Michael Griffin Questions Need to Combat Warming
Water Vapor Rules the Greenhouse System
Global warming -- just "hysteria"?
"Former German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt called for an end to the 'hysteria' over global warming in the lead-up to the [Group of Eight] summit
Meteorologist: ‘Al Gore’s Global Warming is the Biggest Myth of the Century’
Cut & paste: Greenhouse gas emissions do not lead to global warming
Global Overheating by Jay D. Homnick
Kilimanjaro not a victim of climate change, UW scientist says By Sandi Doughton
Study: Kilimanjaro's shrinking snow not sign of warming
Prius Outdoes Hummer in Environmental Damage By Chris Demorro
High price for load of hot air
Helping along global warming By Bill Steigerwald
Local scientist calls global warming theory 'hooey' Samara Kalk Derby
Read the sunspots - The mud at the bottom of B.C. fjords reveals that solar output drives climate change - and that we should prepare now for dangerous global cooling R. TIMOTHY PATTERSON
Global warming skeptics score a few points By TED BYFIELD
Richard Burr Left-winger counters global warming hysteria
Global Warming Hysteria is a National Security Issue By Gerd Schroeder
ABC’s Global Warming Piece Ignores Decades of Hysteria from NASA's James Hansen
An Archive of Resources on Global Warming, Division of Marine Sciences and Ecological Sciences, College of Arts & Sciences, Florida Gulf Coast University, Fort Myers, Florida, Edward T. "Terry" Wimberley, Ph.D., Professor, Division of Marine and Ecological Sciences
Manmade Global Warming: The Real Assault on Reason By Marc Sheppard



And when you are done, please come back here and let us know if you learned anything.

Thanks.

[Gan]

1. ROFL at PB's 2nd WoT. :lol:

2. Funny how its easier to attack the source, instead of whats said in the article. One would think that that tactic is pretty well known by now here in the politics folder of the PC.

3. A simple yes or no will suffice.

Did Gore claim in his book any of the following?
Himalayan glaciers are shrinking and global warming is to blame.
The snowcap atop Africa's Mt. Kilimanjaro is shrinking and that global warming is to blame.
That global warming is causing more frequent and severe hurricanes.
That global warming is causing an expansion of African deserts.
That Greenland is in rapid meltdown, and that this threatens to raise sea levels by 20 feet.
That the Antarctic ice sheet is melting because of global warming.
If you can answer yes to any of these in light of the contrary evidence being submitted by the various scientific institutions that study them, then you have to admit, as the direction of this thread was inteded to go, that Gore has some questions to answer with regards to what he wrote in his book and what he's hyping.

[TheEschaton]

Wow, PB, where'd you cut and paste that WoT from? Conservapedia.org?

As for Gan's question - I've never actually read Gore's book (didn't feel I needed to, already on board). However, since I trust your fact checking quite a bit more than PBs, if you say it says those things are in the book, I'll assume they are.

Now, the question is how far out of context the right wing blogs are taking the studies by reputable scientific orgs and turning them on their head to say something they aren't saying.

[Stanley Burrell]

Here, feel free to read all these websites and articles of scientists who think Global Warming isn't based upon sound, scientific research:

[Google Video] - The Great Global Warming Swindle (2007)
[Google Video] - The Great Global Warming Swindle
[YouTube] - Global Warming - Doomsday Called Off
[YouTube] - Climate Catastrophe Cancelled
Man-made Global Warming - So What If It's a Hoax? By Geoffrey P. Hunt
EARTH IN THE BALANCE Don't Believe the Hype Al Gore is wrong. There's no "consensus" on global warming. BY RICHARD S. LINDZEN
FREE INQUIRY Climate of Fear Global-warming alarmists intimidate dissenting scientists into silence. BY RICHARD LINDZEN
Why Global Warming is Probably a Crock By James Lewis
[PDF] - Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth One-sided, Misleading, Exaggerated, Speculative, Wrong By Marlo Lewis, Jr.
Gorey Truths 25 inconvenient truths for Al Gore. By Iain Murray
Chill out over global warming By David Harsanyi
HOT & COLD MEDIA SPIN CYCLE: A CHALLENGE TO JOURNALISTS WHO COVER GLOBAL WARMING SENATOR JAMES INHOFE CHAIRMAN, SENATE ENVIRONMENT AND PUBLIC WORKS COMMITTEE
Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts? By Timothy Ball
There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998 By Bob Carter
Resisting Global Warming Panic By J.R. Dunn
A Necessary Apocalypse By J.R. Dunn
GORE'S HOT AIR FLAKY FLICK SUFFERS FROM 'TRUTH' DECAY by Kyle Smith
ALL THAT HOT AIR IS BAD FOR EARTH by Kyle Smith
Inconvenient Truths for Al Gore A Skeptic's Guide to An Inconvenient Truth By Marlo Lewis
Gore's flying visit questioned
Group questions level of energy use at Gore home High electric billing records show 'green power' also was purchased By ANNE PAINE
Al Gore’s Personal Energy Use Is His Own “Inconvenient Truth” Gore’s home uses more than 20 times the national average
GORE CRITICIZED FOR HIGH ENERGY BILL
Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth'? -- $30,000 utility bill
Gore Responds to Charges His House Uses Too Much Electricity
A Modest Proposal to Eco-Celebs Clarice Feldman
Green Power Switch®
Gore may get doctorate By Elena Rozwadowski
Al Gore rains on his party Andrew Bolt
Celebs Who Claim They're Green but Guzzle Gas
Citadel, Shaw, Tudor Shun Global Warming as Short Sales Climb
Say what? The report on global warming you didn't hear about BY TARA SERVATIUS
The IPCC Should Leave Science to Scientists By Marc Sheppard
Global warming activists turn storms into spin
FOX News Poll: Most Americans Believe in Global Warming By Dana Rohinsky
Global Warming Effects Could Be Seen in 10 Years Giant Mirrors to Deflect Sun Suggested as a Possible Solution
AMS CERTIFIED WEATHERMAN STRIKES BACK AT WEATHER CHANNEL CALL FOR DECERTIFICATION
Remember Global Cooling? Why scientists find climate change so hard to predict. By Jerry Adler
[PDF 1975] - Newsweek: The Cooling World
Amazing Mars picture show planet's 'dramatic climate changes'
Cosmic rays blamed for global warming By Richard Gray, Science Correspondent, Sunday Telegraph
On Global Warming: Follow the Money Indeed! By David Asman
Who's Afraid of Global Warming? By J.R. Dunn
An experiment that hints we are wrong on climate change Nigel Calder, former editor of New Scientist, says the orthodoxy must be challenged
Del. global warming skeptic stands pat State climatologist on opposite side of governor in court case By JEFF MONTGOMERY
Del. scientist's view on climate criticized Ties to big oil, industry-funded lobbies draw criticism By JEFF MONTGOMERY
NOT THAT SIMPLE GLOBAL WARMING: WHAT WE DON'T KNOW By ROY W. SPENCER
Al Gore, Global warming, Inconvenient Truth Scientists respond to Gore's warnings of climate catastrophe "The Inconvenient Truth" is indeed inconvenient to alarmists By Tom Harris
Harper's letter dismisses Kyoto as 'socialist scheme'
AEI Critiques of Warming Questioned Think Tank Defends Money Offers to Challenge Climate Report By Juliet Eilperin
Two New Books Confirm Global Warming is Natural, Moderate
The real deal? Against the grain: Some scientists deny global warming exists Lawrence Solomon, National Post
Climatologist Timothy Ball sends PhD to Canada Free Press By Judi McLeod
Global Hot Air Greenhouse hysteria. By Thomas Sowell
Global Hot Air: Part II By Thomas Sowell
Global Hot Air: Part III by Thomas Sowell
Climate change: our fault, or cosmic consequence? JAMES MORGAN, Science Reporter
Global warming is a theory, not scientific fact By PETER WORTHINGTON
AMERICA REACTS TO SPEECH DEBUNKING MEDIA GLOBAL WARMING ALARMISM
Global warming 'over-hyped'? By Christina Bellantoni
Media climate By Greg Pierce
Al Gore full of hot air: Klein, Gore bashes oil sands development By FRANK LANDRY
Global Warming's Real Inconvenient Truth By Robert J. Samuelson
Two New Books Confirm Global Warming is Natural; Not Caused By Human Activity Drudge Report
Humans' beef with livestock: a warmer planet By Brad Knickerbocker
Scientist Alleging Bush Censorship Helped Gore, Kerry By Marc Morano
Spokesman for U.S. senator says global warming skeptics are 'demonized'
Will the sun cool us? LAWRENCE SOLOMON
No change in political climate By Ellen Goodman
Global-warming skeptics cite being 'treated like a pariah' By Eric Pfeiffer
Global warming debate spurs Ore. title tiff VINCE PATTON
Bad Research, Worse Reporting on Global Warming By Dennis Byrne
Inconvenient Kyoto Truths George F. Will
Global Warming Skeptics Shunned By Fred Lucas
Global Warming: Just Another Liberal Orthodoxy Chris Adamo
Cleveland's weather wizards downplay global warming Michael Scott
Antarctic temperatures disagree with climate model predictions
The "carbon sink" and global warming James Lewis
More Hot Air on Global Warming By Roger Aronoff
Flights of Fancy by Gregg Easterbrook
Hollywood Golightly An interview with Hollywood eco-crusader Laurie David By Amanda Griscom
Who is Laurie David
Can't stand the heat? Laurie David wants you Ray Richmond
Why is global warming a forbidden topic for most TV weather reporters? Climate change is "controversial" and bad for ratings. By Linda Baker
Kyoto is pointless, say 60 leading scientists By Philip Sherwell
What about the left-wingers who put politics over science? Jay Ambrose
Experts question theory on global warming Anil Anand
The Executive Ranch The scoop on Bush's Texas getaway By Umbra Fisk
Prairie Chapel Ranch From Wikipedia
Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
Statistics needed -- The Deniers Part I
Warming is real -- and has benefits -- The Deniers Part II
The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science -- The Deniers Part III
Polar scientists on thin ice -- The Deniers Part IV
The original denier: into the cold -- The Deniers Part V
The sun moves climate change -- The Deniers Part VI
Will the sun cool us? -- The Deniers Part VII
The limits of predictability -- The Deniers Part VIII
Look to Mars for the truth on global warming -- The Deniers Part IX
Limited role for C02 -- the Deniers Part X
End the chill -- The Deniers Part XI
Clouded research -- The Deniers Part XII
Allegre's second thoughts -- The Deniers XIII
The heat's in the sun -- The Deniers XIV
Unsettled Science -- The Deniers XV
Bitten by the IPCC -- The Deniers XVI
Little ice age is still within us -- The Deniers XVII
Fighting climate 'fluff' -- The Deniers XVIII
Science, not politics -- The Deniers XIX
Greenhouse effect is a myth, say scientists By JULIE WHELDON
Gore's guru disagreed -- The Deniers XX
The ice-core man -- The Deniers XXI
Some restraint in Rome -- The Deniers XXII
Discounting logic -- The Deniers XXIII
Dire forecasts aren't new -- The Deniers XXIV
They call this a consensus? - Part XXV
NASA chief Michael Griffin silenced - Part XXVI
Forget warming - beware the new ice age - Part XXVII
The Great Global Warming Swindle
Global-warming theory and the eugenics precedent By John Linder
'Hannity & Colmes' Lists More Than 70 Scientists Skeptical of Global Warming Hysteria Show proves case isn't closed, discusses major new documentary. By Dan Gainor
Bush's Ranch House 'Far More Eco-Friendly' Than Gore's By Randy Hall
All those scientists may still be wrong By Martin Livermore
Global Warming will make you healthy and sexy By James Lewis
Profit of Doom - Bill Hobbs
Carbon credits: indulgence or commutation fee? Thomas Lifson
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And when you are done, please come back here and let us know if you learned anything.

Thanks.

Where are you getting this from?

You do realize that this list has titles such as "A Necessary Apocalypse" being quoted as proving a point on global warming, right?

I mean, maybe scientific facts can start to be based off of whether we actually contemplate the Sartrean existence of the Greenhouse Effect. And I honestly don't think it'd be that far off from most of the stances we see supported by "evidence" being expectorated by politicians.

There is no way the U.S. is going to be able to put up a barricade of philosophical, or even rarely scientific global warming prevention nicieties to detract from Chinese industrialization. And so much more. What we need to be doing is fitting the ill-equiped for changing weather instead of worrying about whether we can make a glacier crumble a year or two later than expected with growing trends.

[Tsa`ah]

Right, because after all, he doesn't cite any outside sources.

Er...
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2811

I even got the guy's webpage for you.
http://www.geog.ucl.ac.uk/~awarren/

He's not on sourcewatch, so you might have to (perish the thought!) decide on his reliability based solely on his scientific evidence.

Would you like me to do the same for the rest of the cited evidence?

Perhaps you would like a lesson in expertise ... If you want a bonafied scientific dialog ... well you don't go to a lawyer for it, much less a lawyer who has/is in Exxon's back pocket.

Perhaps you would also like a lesson in context ... ""And with a male you shall not lay lyings of a woman" ... and let's forget everything before and after this passage.

Please post something useful next time.

[Nieninque]

Global warming hits Mars too: study
Study: Red planet heating up

LAWLS

[Latrinsorm]

Perhaps you would like a lesson in expertise ... If you want a bonafied scientific dialog ... well you don't go to a lawyer for it, much less a lawyer who has/is in Exxon's back pocket.I know it's a big word, but the "geomorphology" on Professor Warren's page (to my knowledge) isn't wacky English slang for "law".
Perhaps you would also like a lesson in context What I'd like is for people to not fall prey to the "I've heard it a lot, so it must be true" notion, but you win some you lose some, huh?

[Parkbandit]

Wow, PB, where'd you cut and paste that WoT from? Conservapedia.org?

As for Gan's question - I've never actually read Gore's book (didn't feel I needed to, already on board). However, since I trust your fact checking quite a bit more than PBs, if you say it says those things are in the book, I'll assume they are.

Now, the question is how far out of context the right wing blogs are taking the studies by reputable scientific orgs and turning them on their head to say something they aren't saying.


All those can easily be googled, so feel free to do some research for yourself, instead of asking folks to spoon feed you like some crazed idiot, hell bent to prove Gore is king. Look up things like little ice age, ice core temperature history, etc... if you really still believe Man is responsible for this massive .7 degree climb in the past 80 years.

[Clove]

Here, feel free to read all these websites and articles of scientists who think Global Warming isn't based upon sound, scientific research:

....

And when you are done, please come back here and let us know if you learned anything.

Thanks.

:rofl: Personally I'm relying on global warming. Hopefully in 50 or 60 years Connecticut will be like Miami and I won't have to spend half my life shoveling my driveway free of snow!

[Parkbandit]

Perhaps you would like a lesson in expertise ... If you want a bonafied scientific dialog ... well you don't go to a lawyer for it, much less a lawyer who has/is in Exxon's back pocket.

Perhaps you would also like a lesson in context ... ""And with a male you shall not lay lyings of a woman" ... and let's forget everything before and after this passage.

Please post something useful next time.

Jesus.. is that what this debate has come to? Anyone who questions the scientific validity of Gore's claims are somehow in the backpocket of Big oil.

You are starting to sound Backlashian.

[Clove]

Perhaps you would like a lesson in expertise ... If you want a bonafied scientific dialog ... well you don't go to a lawyer for it, much less a lawyer who has/is in Exxon's back pocket.


You go to a crappy former Vice President. :P

[Warriorbird]

Oh my gosh. The new Parkbandit Googlefest is pretty sad. I'm not the biggest global warming flag waver by any means (yes, I also earn money with carbon offsets) but only a cursory inspection of about a quarter of that reveals nearly as much unreliability and bias as Gore has.

The essay Ganalon threw out is critiquing an assault on reason (which is quite evident) with an assault on Gore's last book and global warming theories. A defense'd be to cite Kansas's total removal of evolution from the curriculum on religious grounds.

[Parkbandit]

Oh my gosh. The new Parkbandit Googlefest is pretty sad. I'm not the biggest global warming flag waver by any means (yes, I also earn money with carbon offsets) but only a cursory inspection of about a quarter of that reveals nearly as much unreliability and bias as Gore has.


Then my work here is done as you have finally gotten a clue. Perhaps school teachers will make this list as mandatory as they have made "An Inconvenient Truth"?

[Back]

2. Funny how its easier to attack the source, instead of whats said in the article. One would think that that tactic is pretty well known by now here in the politics folder of the PC.

You would know because thats exactly what you do.

[Parkbandit]

You would know because thats exactly what you do.

Moveon.org isn't considered a source. Sorry chump.

[Gan]

You would know because thats exactly what you do.

The only post in this thread and thats all you have to say?

:lol:
:rofl:
:lol2:
:lolwave:

Thats me really laughing at your troll-ass.

[Back]

You would know because thats exactly what you do.


The only post in this thread and thats all you have to say?

:lol:
:rofl:
:lol2:
:lolwave:

Thats me really laughing at your troll-ass.

Its the most noticeable point of this thread. I’d try to explain that to you but you’re so dense you wouldn’t get it anyway so its not worth my time to type out a few characters.

Hypocrite. To the highest degree.

PS. On the troll thing too.

[Gan]

Its the most noticeable point of this thread. I’d try to explain that to you but you’re so dense you wouldn’t get it anyway so its not worth my time to type out a few characters.

Hypocrite. To the highest degree.

PS. On the troll thing too.

I'll repeat the questions since you're either too stupid to understand them the first time, or you're just afraid to answer them.

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Did Gore claim in his book any of the following?
Himalayan glaciers are shrinking and global warming is to blame.
The snowcap atop Africa's Mt. Kilimanjaro is shrinking and that global warming is to blame.
That global warming is causing more frequent and severe hurricanes.
That global warming is causing an expansion of African deserts.
That Greenland is in rapid meltdown, and that this threatens to raise sea levels by 20 feet.
That the Antarctic ice sheet is melting because of global warming.
When you actually have something to contribute to the thread I'll continue to pay attention to you. Otherwise just STFU. kthx.

[Latrinsorm]

I think what Ganalon does is a little different, usually. Asking for a source doesn't seem to me like it's implying that the source in question is biased; rather, it's a question of the reliability of the information. As such, wikipedia articles are generally on shaky ground, as are notably partisan sites if and only if they merely state the information.

In this case, the admittedly partisan site cites information, rather than simply stating it, allowing anyone with an ounce of gumption to check the citations (as shown above with that English fellow). It's easy to claim that such and such a site is "twisting" the information, it's a little more difficult when you have the source of the information right in front of you and comparison reveals no changes.

Now, the second level of analysis should investigate whether this English guy (for instance) is any good at being a scientist, but unfortunately that kind of analysis isn't really possible for non-scientists (anymore than those not trained in law can really know how good a lawyer is). Even more unfortunately, this leads some people to resort to science by democracy, which is really about the worst idea ever. As above, saying a scientist is "biased" by economic concerns is at best a rhetorical tactic rather than a truth-finding mechanism.

In sum, THINK FOR YOURSELVES, FOR PETE'S SAKE.

[Krendeli]

In sum, THINK FOR YOURSELVES, FOR PETE'S SAKE.

Generally a good idea except for here. Everytime someone posts a thought here, 15 people come along to ridicule and savagely beat down said poster.

[Sean]

Ad hominem attacks are par for the course from both sides of the fence.

[Parkbandit]

Generally a good idea except for here. Everytime someone posts a thought here, 15 people come along to ridicule and savagely beat down said poster.

That's bullshit.. post multiple sources where this has happened, as well as releases from said posters giving you permission doing so, or I'll think you are full of it.

[Tea & Strumpets]

As for Gan's question - I've never actually read Gore's book (didn't feel I needed to, already on board).

Didn't you say twice on the first page that you've read the book?

[Sean]

2 different books.

[CrystalTears]

Which book is TheE talking about then? There is only one book being discussed here that I can see.

[Parkbandit]

As for Gan's question - I've never actually read Gore's book (didn't feel I needed to, already on board). However, since I trust your fact checking quite a bit more than PBs, if you say it says those things are in the book, I'll assume they are.



The Heartland Institute is a joke. Have you read the book? I have, and it's not about the environment. He has one chapter, out of many, on it.

-TheE-


Take the time to read the book, and that chapter in the book, where, with footnotes, he discusses the reality of global warming, and how the right wing media uses fake, corporate-sponsored findings/scientists to promote their viewpoint.

-TheE-

:Dar:

[Sean]

Actually theres 2. The article in the OP is using an argument of Gore's in his latest book (The Assault on Reason) : "We must stop tolerating the rejection and distortion of science. We must insist on an end to the cynical use of pseudo-studies known to be false for the purpose of intentionally clouding the public's ability to discern the truth." as a counter to things Gore discussed in his previous work (An Inconvenient Truth).

[Parkbandit]

By the way... why isn't the "I blame Dar" fucking icon here!? It comes out :Dar: which is NOT what it's supposed to do.

[Parkbandit]

Actually theres 2. The article in the OP is using an argument of Gore's in his latest book (The Assault on Reason) : "We must stop tolerating the rejection and distortion of science. We must insist on an end to the cynical use of pseudo-studies known to be false for the purpose of intentionally clouding the public's ability to discern the truth." as a counter to things Gore discussed in his previous work (An Inconvenient Truth).


So..

2 books, a mockumentary and a world talking tour. Man, if I didn't know any better, I would think maybe he's doing this for the money and not for an actual cause.

Weird.

[Gan]

Generally a good idea except for here. Everytime someone posts a thought here, 15 people come along to ridicule and savagely beat down said poster.

See the first quote in my sig.

Admittedly you have to have thick skin to post here. I took my beatings until I figured out how to coexist in this PC world. I still do from time to time, I just dont let it get to me. ;) And I make sure I'm not talking out of my ass like some others are well known to do around here when I post things I'd like to see discussed, or would like to discuss myself.

PS.

We need a talking out of your ass smiley icon as well as another dar/duh smiley icon.

[Tsa`ah]

So..

2 books, a mockumentary and a world talking tour. Man, if I didn't know any better, I would think maybe he's doing this for the money and not for an actual cause.

Weird.

Gore is pretty much a self serving prick. And while I believe his intent is genuine, he has lousy follow through. In a nut shell he picked a burgeoning market and went ape shit in it.

Gore is guilty of exaggeration of the facts, mostly for personal gain. Much of what he cites is out of context and distorts the overall picture. Then again, so does Taylor. This is primarily why this whole debate is laughable.

[Parkbandit]

Hey, watch how you talk about the Democratic nominee.

[Gan]

Gore is pretty much a self serving prick. And while I believe his intent is genuine, he has lousy follow through. In a nut shell he picked a burgeoning market and went ape shit in it.

Gore is guilty of exaggeration of the facts, mostly for personal gain. Much of what he cites is out of context and distorts the overall picture. Then again, so does Taylor. This is primarily why this whole debate is laughable.

Careful, you'll make TheE and Backlash cry if you say that too loudly.

[Sean]

Yea we should all work on becoming victims of our own apathy instead of trying to further causes that we believe in.

[Tsa`ah]

Yea we should all work on becoming victims of our own apathy instead of trying to further causes that we believe in.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

The point of my posts have been that we have two non-experts. A journalist turned law student who dropped out of law school to become a career politician, and a lawyer turned environmental journalist for a foundation funded by Exxon.

Gore is disingenuous in that he gets up on the environmental soap box, earns a shit ton of cash in doing so .... and doesn't change his life style.

Taylor is disingenuous because his paycheck is essentially from Exxon and he's attacking a movement simply because it's in his employer's best interest if alternatives aren't found.

Neither are experts, but both like to pick and choose from experts in the field that best suits their arguments. They're both like hellfire and brimstone ministers preaching to a congregation snippets from the bible that best suit their beliefs and support their prejudices.

I'm sorry, two poorly qualified people spinning what the experts say ... laughable.

[Parkbandit]

Yea we should all work on becoming victims of our own apathy instead of trying to further causes that we believe in.

Or we can create a new crisis using relatively recent data and flawed scientific 'data' to cause the ignorant to panic and bank a couple hundred million in the process... while launching another Presidential run based upon it.

[Sean]

I'm not a poster child for Global Warming. I don't live the most environmentally sound lifestyle and I don't pretend to. I honestly have no problems with you knocking Gore for not necessarily practicing what he preaches to a level that satisfies you. What I do think is ridiculous is that belief that Gore is in it strictly for profit rather than promoting a concept that he believes in.

That being said it's kind of funny that you knock Al Gore's bank while you yourself benefit directly from him both in your line of work and holding apple stock.

[Gan]

My preferred site for weather info is www.weatherunderground.com (http://www.weatherunderground.com)

While surfing through their many topics I came across this. Its a very good read.

http://www.wunderground.com/education/gore.asp

Enjoy.

[TheEschaton]

I've read Gore's latest book, The Assault on Reason. The later post, where I said "I've not read Gore's book" referred to Gan's post where he was quoting all the claims Gore made in his first (?) book, An Inconvenient Truth.

-TheE-

[Parkbandit]

I'm not a poster child for Global Warming. I don't live the most environmentally sound lifestyle and I don't pretend to. I honestly have no problems with you knocking Gore for not necessarily practicing what he preaches to a level that satisfies you. What I do think is ridiculous is that belief that Gore is in it strictly for profit rather than promoting a concept that he believes in.

That being said it's kind of funny that you knock Al Gore's bank while you yourself benefit directly from him both in your line of work and holding apple stock.

It's as ridiculous as Gore saying that man is responsible for the .7 degree increase in the past 70 years. Certainly, he 'believes' in what he says and preaches.. but not to the point where he lives by what he preaches. He is in it for the money first and foremost. If there was no money to be had in Global Warming crisis, he wouldn't be anywhere near it, giving it the attention he does now.

And I don't get the funny part at all. You correlate Gore's work with me sitting at the computer and buying some Apple stock? It's not funny.. nor does it make any kind of sense. As far as my business goes.. it's not about global warming.. it's about energy conservation. I'm just hoping to sell my carbon offsets to someone stupid and rich enough to buy them is all.

[thefarmer]

Certainly, he 'believes' in what he says and preaches.. but not to the point where he lives by what he preaches. He is in it for the money first and foremost. If there was no money to be had in Global Warming crisis, he wouldn't be anywhere near it, giving it the attention he does now.

What's wrong with him making money?

Unless it's the fact that he's going to use said money for his own politcal gain and not say, donate it to global warming research (Which I'm not sure we have a way of knowing how his monies are divided.)

[Back]

What's wrong with him making money?

Unless it's the fact that he's going to use said money for his own politcal gain and not say, donate it to global warming research (Which I'm not sure we have a way of knowing how his monies are divided.)

Don’t let the nut jobs fool you. They are sometimes hard to follow because they talk out of their ass so much. They simply refuse to accept the reality that Gore does manage a lower carbon footprint than most people.

As with anything anyone says here, myself included, take the time to find out for yourself.

[CrystalTears]

Yeah. Sure he does.

[Gan]

Don’t let the nut jobs fool you. They are sometimes hard to follow because they talk out of their ass so much. They simply refuse to accept the reality that Gore does manage a lower carbon footprint than most people.

As with anything anyone says here, myself included, take the time to find out for yourself.

:rofl:

WHAT??? Than most people who live in a 10,000+ sq. ft. mansion who flys all over the country with an entourage? I'd like to see you back that statement up with some facts. Otherwise you're just talking out of your ass.

[Parkbandit]

Don’t let the nut jobs fool you. They are sometimes hard to follow because they talk out of their ass so much. They simply refuse to accept the reality that Gore does manage a lower carbon footprint than most people.

As with anything anyone says here, myself included, take the time to find out for yourself.


Backlash is correct.. take the time to find out for yourself.. then make fun of Backlash for posting stupidity.

Lower carbon footprint that most people? Is that really, really what you are claiming? God.. I can't even blame drugs anymore for the stupidity you post here... it's just plain stupid!

You do realize that his energy consumption has been very well documented to be TWENTY TIMES that of 'most people', right? The only difference is.. he is wealthy enough to claim that he purchases 'carbon offsets' to justify his lifestyle.

Dude.. you've worked hard for this award. Congrats.

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