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Gan
06-26-2007, 01:27 PM
China last week became the world's biggest air polluter, according to a Dutch government-funded environmental watchdog. The People's Republic now out-belches the United States as the world's largest producer of greenhouse gases - two years ahead of predictions.

Worse yet, thanks to prevailing wind patterns, a lot of China's pollution ends up here: As much as 40 percent of the air pollution our own West Coast states breathe originates in China.

The air's so bad in Beijing, it's rumored that some teams are making plans to do last minute training tune-ups for the 2008 Olympics in Asia, but outside China, so they can acclimate to Beijing's time zone while avoiding the smog as long as possible.


Overall, China has 16 of the world's 20 most air-polluted cities. In some, the air carries twice the pollutants considered safe by the U.N.'s World Health Organization, causing as many as 400,000 premature deaths a year due to respiratory disease.

The World Bank has called north-central China's coal town Linfen the world's most polluted city. Coal dust hangs so heavy in the air there that cars need to use their headlights during the day.

In Beijing, the unofficial air quality index is known as the "building index." That is, how many buildings you can see down the street before the landscape turns to a pea soup-like gray fog.

Coal is the main source of those pollution "exports''; China is the world's largest producer and consumer, relying on the fuel for 70 percent of its energy/industrial needs. And coal-fired plants emit carbon dioxide (CO2), sulfur dioxide, nitrous oxide, mercury and dust. China already produces 25 percent of world mercury emissions and 12 percent of CO2.

And the pollution problem is on track to get worse.

more...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/06/china_becomes_worlds_biggest_a.html

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WAY TO GO CHINA!!!

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Parkbandit
06-26-2007, 02:55 PM
BUT THEY ARE COMMUNISTS! I THOUGHT THE ENEMY WAS CAPITALISM!?

Gan
06-26-2007, 03:37 PM
And yet they were left off the initial draft of the Kyoto protocol. Imagine that.

Ignot
06-26-2007, 09:58 PM
What do you think a war between US/China would be like? Doesn't China have a pretty big army?

Gan
06-26-2007, 10:16 PM
Lots of manpower. Not as much technology. Even less of a navy. Thats a war of attrition that you'd want to avoid going man to man against. Thats when you launch a few megatons at their military targets (ie. army gathering places) in order to reduce/neutralize their ability to strike.

Numbers
06-26-2007, 10:25 PM
It's not terribly surprising. When was the last time you bought something that had a nice "Made in China" sticker on it?

I think it was three hours ago, for me.

Hulkein
06-26-2007, 10:35 PM
What do you think a war between US/China would be like? Doesn't China have a pretty big army?

Big army that they couldn't get near our shores. We would murder them from sea and air. No way we'd invade though.

Kranar
06-27-2007, 12:18 AM
What do you think a war between US/China would be like? Doesn't China have a pretty big army?


I think the idea of going to war with China is pretty simplistic.

It's not really like a video game where a 'war' button is just pushed, and you click on your SCVs to build you a nice command centre and some barracks/machine depots and rush the other army before they get a chance to upgrade to "nuclear technology" and bomb your base. Yes while I am being facetious, people do actually think about wars in these simplistic terms, even despite the current war in Iraq.

Tolwynn
06-27-2007, 12:22 AM
Besides, everyone knows the Chinese would totally zerg.

Warriorbird
06-27-2007, 12:25 AM
Yup. Or they'd just use the trade denial special move.

"No more cheap, readily available, imported goods?"

America surrenders.

Hulkein
06-27-2007, 12:34 AM
You realize that they'd have a huge surplus of materials if we went to war with them (stopped trading with them). It hurts both countries.

Shari
06-27-2007, 02:11 AM
AND they're jacking up our copper prices cause they're taking all of it.

Motherfuckers.

People are literally stealing the copper out of city lights where I live and selling it at recycling shops for the money.

Warriorbird
06-27-2007, 09:08 AM
You realize that they'd have a huge surplus of materials if we went to war with them (stopped trading with them). It hurts both countries.

The difference is they don't care about their populace.

Alfster
06-27-2007, 09:36 AM
AND they're jacking up our copper prices cause they're taking all of it.

Motherfuckers.

People are literally stealing the copper out of city lights where I live and selling it at recycling shops for the money.

There's quite a few reasons copper prices have skyrocketed :P

Gan
06-27-2007, 10:10 AM
The difference is they don't care about their populace.

ding ding ding

Winner.

Hulkein
06-27-2007, 10:17 AM
AND they're jacking up our copper prices cause they're taking all of it.

Motherfuckers.

People are literally stealing the copper out of city lights where I live and selling it at recycling shops for the money.

Tell me about it. I've been doing plumbing off and on as a summer job when home from school for the past 4 years and I couldn't believe how much it was worth this year. Row homes get gutted for all their piping if people aren't careful.


The difference is they don't care about their populace.

Be that as it may, I believe there are more countries that could sell us their cheap products than countries with the ability to purchase our share of China's cheap products if it came down to that.

No doubt it would hurt both economies though.

CrystalTears
06-27-2007, 10:19 AM
China's trying to kill us off by putting poison in our pets' food and lead paint on our kids' toys! Fuck em!

Celephais
06-27-2007, 10:40 AM
China's trying to kill us off by putting poison in our pets' food and lead paint on our kids' toys! Fuck em!

and counterfeiting our toothpaste!

Gan
06-27-2007, 10:43 AM
There's quite a few reasons copper prices have skyrocketed :P

http://www.copper.org/resources/market_data/homepage.html

Parkbandit
06-27-2007, 10:46 AM
You can actually make money by taking pennies and melting them down and selling the copper from them.

That's fucked up.

Gan
06-27-2007, 10:50 AM
You can actually make money by taking pennies and melting them down and selling the copper from them.

That's fucked up.

Unfortunately its against the law. :(

Landrion
06-27-2007, 10:56 AM
You can actually make money by taking pennies and melting them down and selling the copper from them.

That's fucked up.

Not to mention breaking the law.