Democratic Debate 06/03/2007

[Sean of the Thread]

I almost thought I was watching Comedy Central.. these guys are a joke.

[Sean of the Thread]

UPDATE:

Hilary is one of teh biggest comedians there evidently.

[RichardCranium]

If I could vote I would either vote for Hillary or Thompson.

[Sean of the Thread]

Felon

[RichardCranium]

It'll be expunged next February.

[Warriorbird]

I'll vote for Obama in the primaries. I doubt he'll win. I'll be forced to vote for Hillary (or some third party alternative) when she loses to Giuliani. Now, if the Republicans become severely braindead (they don't run Giuliani) the Democrats have a great chance.

[Ilvane]

I thought it was a good debate.

I'm independent too, but I can't see a single Republican I would consider, so it will most likely be Hillary for me.

I don't really think that it was bad debate, at all, nor did I find it funny, though I'll probably be tossing pillows at the TV during the Republican debate, so I can see where you are coming from.;)

Angela

[Parkbandit]

I thought it was a good debate.

I'm independent too, but I can't see a single Republican I would consider, so it will most likely be Hillary for me.

I don't really think that it was bad debate, at all, nor did I find it funny, though I'll probably be tossing pillows at the TV during the Republican debate, so I can see where you are coming from.;)

Angela

Best line of bullshit I've seen on these boards in some time Angela. Thanks for the huge ass laugh this morning. "I'm independent".

Well played.. I never saw it coming.

[Ilvane]

I am a registered independent. I have voted for Republicans in the past, such as John McCain in the primary last election, and Governor Weld back in the 90's here in MA.

If there is a decent Republican in the field, I would consider them. This time around, not so much, and my opinion of McCain has changed.

Angela

[Back]

It was a great debate. What amazes me about these debates is how mainstream the issues that have dogged this administration have become. Republican congress passed legislation that helped big pharma more than their customers? Of course they did and we need to fix it. Going to the wrong war under false pretenses? Yep and we need to stop the war in Iraq and repair our moral leadership around the world. Oil companies ripping off consumers? We know they are and will do something about it.

Edwards lost point for his obvious attacks on others which were brushed aside pretty easily. He really has some good ideas but the lack of leadership and willingness for teamwork doesn't work. Hilary was still strong and upbeat but lost points for the “Bush’s fault” comments. While true its not pragmatic and its a given. Lets get past that. Dodds and Biden are strong. Pragmatic, idealistic, realistic. They both have the experience and have great things to say. If they continue on like that they may have a shot. At the very least one of the two could be a very strong VP. Kucinich, while I like his ideas, I don’t think the US or the world is ready for. Obama, stronger than last time. More concise. He’s stepping up to the role more and more as the days pass. And you gotta love Gravel there on the sidelines calling it like it is.

[Parkbandit]

I am a registered independent. I have voted for Republicans in the past, such as John McCain in the primary last election, and Governor Weld back in the 90's here in MA.

If there is a decent Republican in the field, I would consider them. This time around, not so much, and my opinion of McCain has changed.

Angela

STOP IT ALREADY! My stomach hurts from laughing so much.

Seriously.

[Parkbandit]

It was a great debate. What amazes me about these debates is how mainstream the issues that have dogged this administration have become. Republican congress passed legislation that helped big pharma more than their customers? Of course they did and we need to fix it. Going to the wrong war under false pretenses? Yep and we need to stop the war in Iraq and repair our moral leadership around the world. Oil companies ripping off consumers? We know they are and will do something about it.

Edwards lost point for his obvious attacks on others which were brushed aside pretty easily. He really has some good ideas but the lack of leadership and willingness for teamwork doesn't work. Hilary was still strong and upbeat but lost points for the “Bush’s fault” comments. While true its not pragmatic and its a given. Lets get past that. Dodds and Biden are strong. Pragmatic, idealistic, realistic. They both have the experience and have great things to say. If they continue on like that they may have a shot. At the very least one of the two could be a very strong VP. Kucinich, while I like his ideas, I don’t think the US or the world is ready for. Obama, stronger than last time. More concise. He’s stepping up to the role more and more as the days pass. And you gotta love Gravel there on the sidelines calling it like it is.

LOL.. Obama looked like he was running for the office of Vice President. Edwards HAS to do something.. since 3rd place will get him the same position as last time.. loser.

The Democrats have already determined that Hillary is their candidate.. thus sealing their fate as 3 time losers in the Presidential Election. ALL they have to do is nominate someone mainstream and new... and the office is theirs.

[Gan]

I thought the debate was pure comedy gold.

[Gan]

I thought it was a good debate.

I'm independent too, but I can't see a single Republican I would consider, so it will most likely be Hillary for me.

I don't really think that it was bad debate, at all, nor did I find it funny, though I'll probably be tossing pillows at the TV during the Republican debate, so I can see where you are coming from.;)

Angela


I am a registered independent. I have voted for Republicans in the past, such as John McCain in the primary last election, and Governor Weld back in the 90's here in MA.

If there is a decent Republican in the field, I would consider them. This time around, not so much, and my opinion of McCain has changed.

Angela


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH <breathe>
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH <gasp>
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH <wheeze>
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Ilvane]

If you all somehow think there is a fine candidate in the field of Republicans, please enlighten me on who you think is wonderful.

I mean, someone who isn't going to try and scare us into voting for them..because god knows, Democrats are soft on crime, terrorism and we'd be attacked if we elected one of those..

Hmph.

[Krendeli]

If the Democrats put Hillary forward this election, I'm jumping off the Dem party ship. Bad enough that the last time they put Kerry forward. I'd hate to vote Republican again.

[Gan]

If you all somehow think there is a fine candidate in the field of Republicans, please enlighten me on who you think is wonderful.

I mean, someone who isn't going to try and scare us into voting for them..because god knows, Democrats are soft on crime, terrorism and we'd be attacked if we elected one of those..

Hmph.

I really dont care who you vote for. Just quit deluding yourself to think that you're not a Democrat. And quit trying to get us to believe it.

[Gan]

If the Democrats put Hillary forward this election, I'm jumping off the Dem party ship. Bad enough that the last time they put Kerry forward. I'd hate to vote Republican again.

www.joinrudy2008.com (http://www.joinrudy2008.com)


The only viable answer to Hillary.

[CrystalTears]

Oh God please not Hillary. :cry:

[Parkbandit]

If you all somehow think there is a fine candidate in the field of Republicans, please enlighten me on who you think is wonderful.

I mean, someone who isn't going to try and scare us into voting for them..because god knows, Democrats are soft on crime, terrorism and we'd be attacked if we elected one of those..

Hmph.

No.. we think you are full of shit by stating that you are somehow all of a sudden Independent. You've spewed more liberal/Democratic than even Backlash... and that takes some doing.

[GuildRat]

I really dont care who you vote for. Just quit deluding yourself to think that you're not a Democrat. And quit trying to get us to believe it.

Freakin' amen!!

GOOOOOOOOO Rudy!!!!!!!

[Gan]

My definition of an Independant voter is one who does not totally align themselves with either the Democrat or Republican platform issues.

For instance, why I'm an Independant.
1. I'm pro-choice
2. I'm against the ban on gay marriage
3. I disagree with espousing/pushing religious views on political issues like the RNC/Christian Coalition.

I'd like to see what platform issues Ilvane disagrees with DNC that make her vote independant, other than just not being tied down to any particular party (alternative definition).

[Daniel]

Ganalon obviously wants to have out of wedlock children with another man.

[Gan]

Ganalon obviously wants to have out of wedlock children with another man.

Zing!

(You forgot being an athiest)

[GuildRat]

My definition of an Independant voter is one who does not totally align themselves with either the Democrat or Republican platform issues.

For instance, why I'm an Independant.
1. I'm pro-choice >>it's HER body
2. I'm against the ban on gay marriage>> who the F cares if it's a woman loving another woman, a man loving another man, or a man/woman relationship?
3. I disagree with espousing/pushing religious views on political issues like the RNC/Christian Coalition.>> religeon sux...worship who/what/how you want!!

I'd like to see what platform issues Ilvane disagrees with DNC that make her vote independant, other than just not being tied down to any particular party (alternative definition).

IMHO

[GuildRat]

Uh...the added >>'s are not what Ganalon said...to clarify.

[Kefka]

www.joinrudy2008.com (http://www.joinrudy2008.com)


The only viable answer to Hillary.

It's funny to hear him claim he'd be tougher on terror when the building his command center was located crumbled without a single plane hitting it.

[Gan]

It's funny to hear him claim he'd be tougher on terror when the building his command center was located crumbled without a single plane hitting it.

Yea, critics say he forgot to initiate the super duper ionic forcefield of doom around it prior to leaving his house that morning.

[DeV]

IMHO, an independent should simply define themself as someone who votes for the person they think is best for the job 100% of the time, regardless of that politicians party affiliation. Also, someone who is truly in the middle of the political spectrum, impartial, for starters, and who's on the fence for each election more often than not.

By this token, I don't think there are that many true independents in this country. Most people fall into the moderate category, but tend to align themselves with either party based on any number of reasons. I personally believe that a lot of people call themselves independent because it gives the impression that they are free thinkers even though they really aren't when you start to really examine their voting patterns.

I've come to believe that if you end up voting for one particular party over the other 75% of the time or more, then you're affiliated with that party regardless of what you want to call yourself. Remember that old adage, actions speak louder than words. Plus, I don't think there is anything wrong with calling yourself a free thinking Democrat, or a free thinking Republican, or recognizing the faults of your party just as easily as you recognize the strengths and ideas you most agree with.

[CrystalTears]

Basically DeV just called you both out, so shaddap. :tongue:

BTW, I thought you couldn't vote in the primaries as an independent.

[Sean of the Thread]

5 STAR THREAD!

[Gan]

If you look at my voting history I'm Republican leaning for federal/national elections, Republican for state elections, and Democrat for local/city elections.

Having declared being an independant only recently, my history will tell you otherwise using Dev's definition. OR, as my neighbor calls me, I must be a RINO. :(

Either way, my vote isnt a given thing and the RNC should not count on it should they choose not to field a candidate that I can identify with according to the issues I hold most important.

[Ilvane]

Okay, I'll tell you some things that I don't agree on from the Democrats(at least from my state)

I disagree that we should let illegal immigrants stay in the country, amnesty or whatever they want to call it..they are illegal and should go home.

I believe there should be a welfare to work program as opposed to the programs that just allow people to live off of the system for years and years, and causes them to stay in a welfare mentality.

I do agree with most of the platform of the Democrats, too, but I'm still an Independent, and continue to be that way.

I would beg to differ either of you were Independent either.

Angela

[Ilvane]

Oh and CT, as far as the primaries go, it depends on the state. I actually had to register Republican for a short time when I voted for McCain, then went back to Unenrolled.

Angela

[Sean of the Thread]

Lol

[CrystalTears]

I would beg to differ either of you were Independent either.
My "both of you" comment was towards you and Ganalon. I'm not sure who else "claims" themselves to be independent. On this board, there is no one currently that I feel would fall under that category.


Oh and CT, as far as the primaries go, it depends on the state. I actually had to register Republican for a short time when I voted for McCain, then went back to Unenrolled.
Okay then, that's what I thought.

Sometimes I feel that people who place themselves as independent just don't want to admit which side they would fall under, especially these days where the percentage has climbed in the last 10 years or so. Such h8ers. :D

[Gan]

As long as the Christian Coalition has such a large affect on the RNC I'll never claim an identity with them on social issues. However, I'm a long shot of being called a Democrat.

[Ilvane]

Heh, I have no problem saying I usually vote Democrat, but I still sometimes vote Republican, it depends on the person. In MA, a Republican is more liberal, so it's not the run of the mill Republican Party like you see in the rest of the country.

I usually vote Democrat local(town politics), sometimes Republican in Governor(I voted for Weld and Cellucci in MA, but couldn't stomach Mitt Romney), and Democrat state.

Angela

[Sean of the Thread]

Man your posts are getting more hilarious every time. The world needs a little more laughter.

[Warriorbird]

I don't think many of us contribute much but amusement, yourself included.

[Sean of the Thread]

I'm amusing no doubt.. However I'm not delusional and or clueless about politics to the point of hilarity.

[grapedog]

If there is a decent Republican in the field, I would consider them. This time around, not so much, and my opinion of McCain has changed.

ditto that part about McCain...


He was waving the flag for Bush when he could have stood out as a smart moderate republican that even democrats would have voted for, and condemned Bush...though he would have had no chance at election after doing that...I still would have respected him a lot more.

I don't think he was in a winnable situation. Rove sabotaged his chances when he first ran against Bush is 2000...and Bush sabotaged his chances for 2008...

I just keep waiting for the McCain of old to come out...but I don't really see him anywhere...sadly.

[Ilvane]

Yeah, that was my feeling on it too. He really was different back then, with the campaign finance reform, and his ability to stand up to people on what he believe in. Nowadays, he seems more like a Bush yes man than the man he was before.

Angela

[Warriorbird]

I'd pray for McCain or Romney to win the nomination. Rudy should be funding Hillary's primary campaign.

[Gan]

I'd pray for McCain or Romney to win the nomination. Rudy should be funding Hillary's primary campaign.

Sans Fred Thompson, McCain is the RNC's only hope of salvaging the marriage between the moderates of the party and the Christian right that give the RNC such a powerful voting block. I just dont know if he's got the horsepower to get the momentum necessary without the assistance of someone already in the running.

Romney will never get the far right's vote, simply because of the religion he's from (Mormonism=cult with most other prevalent forms of Christianity). Only McCain is not showing himself to be strong enough to stand against the Hillary war machine. God forbid Hillary and Obama ever combine their ticket, that would be the RNC's worst nightmare with McCain as the choice.

I wouldnt mind seeing Giuliani/Thompson ticket (Thompson would make an excellent VP and Senate leader). I also wouldnt mind seeing a Giuliani/Lieberman ticket. I can think of a better combo that would put the wooden stake through the heart of a Hillary/Obama bid than having Lieberman in combination with Giuliani.

[DeV]

I wouldnt mind seeing Giuliani/Thompson ticket (Thompson would make an excellent VP and Senate leader). Thompson said he'd never go for VP.

Although, as usual with politics, I'm taking that with a grain of salt.

[grapedog]

I'd love to see a McCain/Edwards ticket...Edwards is about the only Dem I would vote for.

I don't want to sound racist or sexist because I actually like Obama(though I could care less for Hillary)...but does anyone really see Obama or Hillary being elected president after 8 years of Bush? If Obama had more seasons under his belt, I won't see a problem...and if Hillary wasn't as far left as Bush is far right...I could see it working...but I just don't seeing them actually getting elected.

WTF ever happened to Moderates on both sides and the Majority of this country...it's like if I don't sit at one end of the spectrum or the other, I get bent over and molested.

Edit: It's sad more people can't take a page from Lincolns book and actually look to the other party for your other cabinet members/VP...if there were more moderates getting elected we might be able to get something done as opposed to one side proposing something and the other side declining the proposition. It makes my head hurt...

[DeV]

Hillary isn't as far left as people believe her to be in all actuality. She's turned away alot of Moderate Democrats due to the fact that she's become more of a conservative Democrat the higher her political aims. She gets alot of heat for what some call political compromise and others call flip-flopping aka political suicide. It's worked for her so far.

"WTF ever happened to Moderates on both sides and the Majority of this country...it's like if I don't sit at one end of the spectrum or the other, I get bent over and molested." Agreed

[Gan]

Edwards does not need to be anywhere near the whitehouse, period.

[TheEschaton]

Hillary is actually considered the most conservative Democrat in the field.

At least, by Democrats she is.

[Warriorbird]

I don't think she is. Sadly, unless Obama begins to show more spark...he's never going to beat her.