Attorney Firings

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Attorney firings seems to be the tip of the iceberg. The attorneys were fired for not doing enough to prosecute voter fraud allegations against democratic voters because a) they failed to raise legitimate cases and b) because they would not prosecute innocent voters. Its been revealed that while the republican party were trying to create a hysteria amongst the public about democratic voter fraud they were engaged in “caging” black democratic voters.

Caging is sending a letter to an address knowing the person is not there and when the letter is not responded to or is returned that voters status can then be questioned and ultimately dismissed. This happened to 250k voters that included homeless people, college students on vacation, and worst of all, American troops deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Tolwynn]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but would homeless people really have mailing addresses?

[Asha]

Those proceedings were hillarious btw.

[Gan]

Attorney firings seems to be the tip of the iceberg. The attorneys were fired for not doing enough to prosecute voter fraud allegations against democratic voters because a) they failed to raise legitimate cases and b) because they would not prosecute innocent voters. Its been revealed that while the republican party were trying to create a hysteria amongst the public about democratic voter fraud they were engaged in “caging” black democratic voters.

Caging is sending a letter to an address knowing the person is not there and when the letter is not responded to or is returned that voters status can then be questioned and ultimately dismissed. This happened to 250k voters that included homeless people, college students on vacation, and worst of all, American troops deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Source please.

[Parkbandit]

Source please.

www.moveon.org and www.wehaterepublicans.com

[Gan]

Whats strange is that I had just finished running through Drudge, CNN, The Politico, and RCP and did not see any updated stories on the firings.

[ElanthianSiren]

Caging is sending a letter to an address knowing the person is not there and when the letter is not responded to or is returned that voters status can then be questioned and ultimately dismissed. This happened to 250k voters that included homeless people, college students on vacation, and worst of all, American troops deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

2010 is bigger than 2008, so whomever this is should carefully consider the timing of such accusations (I don't feel that they have); it's the census election we have to win, so we can get the redistricting done in a way to benefit dems. Then, we bring up the supreme court case in the ensuing shit storm. If dems do score 2010, they better thank the republicans for that ammunition.

I'm not certain I believe what you're saying (at least about students and the military in our recent elections); I'm taking a class right now, where we were encouraged to share our party affiliation, and there were a HELL of a lot of young male Republicans and several females. There were even more people just saying Politics? No.

Even if it is true, however, who cares? Let the dems do it right back instead of being upset about how evil it is. It's not like any political argument between the dems and reps doesn't typically turn into a schoolyard knock down, drag out of, "ZOMG! THEY DID IT TOO!!!!!!!!!!1111one" and some poor judge/panel doesn't have to sit there pleading, "now children, play nice" while he/she ultimately gives each admin/congressional member a slap on the wrist.

My opinion is you might be overreacting a tad, but maybe some facts will come out that change my mind. More importantly, political wrangling is never fair. Dems need to take some less-than-reputable plays from the republican book and just use them, instead of expecting fairness. PB and Gan may feel free to say dems are a bunch of evil biters right here! :shrug:


(I should add) that drawing attention to what the republicans may have done (if they did it), is a sure way to make sure that the behavior is scrutinized and thus not available for the dems to use. This means that investigating it (instead of exploiting it) seems counter-intuitive and well, silly.

[Tolwynn]

Dems need to take some less-than-reputable plays from the republican book and just use them, instead of expecting fairness.

They already do and did, of course. It's just whichever side loses ends up crying about what the winning side did, even if they did much or exactly the same.

[Skirmisher]

Backlash, while i tend to agree that Bush's lapdog needs to be removed, you run the risk of going farther than needed ala Moore by going past the whole lying to congress about the reasons the firings occurred and that he knew and was involved in that decision process. Hell, add in the incredibly ethical late night run to the bedside of Ashcroft while you're at it. More seems to pop up every other week.

Stick to what has already been proven to not give those supporting the scumbag any toeholds to cling to.

[Parkbandit]

Dems need to take some less-than-reputable plays from the republican book and just use them, instead of expecting fairness.


LOL.. where do you think the Republicans got most of those less than reputable plays? From the Democrats, who held onto power for a very long time in Congress. You make it sound like the Democrats are this poor, innocent party who has been taken advantage of by the big mean Republicans. Nice spin, but a very ignorant point of view.

[ElanthianSiren]

LOL.. where do you think the Republicans got most of those less than reputable plays? From the Democrats, who held onto power for a very long time in Congress. You make it sound like the Democrats are this poor, innocent party who has been taken advantage of by the big mean Republicans. Nice spin, but a very ignorant point of view.

I do? Gee, I didn't mean to; of course, you then turn around and do the same thing. Naturally, I'm sure it's unintentional on your end also.

Tongue no longer in cheek, my only point was that instead of bitching and moaning about how unfair everything is, the dems need to capitalize on the lessons/strategies that have made the republicans so successful in recent elections (hence the comment about how you and gan can shout biterbiterbiter here). In short, I was advocating playing the system rather than crying and trying to overhaul it. Let someone else invest energy/waste time there.

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Source please.


Whats strange is that I had just finished running through Drudge, CNN, The Politico, and RCP and did not see any updated stories on the firings.

Goodling testified that McNulty lied when he said he was not aware of the issue of “caging” and Tim Griffin’s involvement in the 2004 election. She said she had briefed McNulty on it before his testimony.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d26E3jPZfk&mode=related&search=

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1179911108382&pos=ataglance

http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2007/05/24/WashingtonDCBureau/342141.html

The only place you will find a legitimate story on caging in Florida in 2004 is the BBC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkvWkwv7UVo

Yet, she brought it up herself without anyone knowing what she was talking about.

[Warriorbird]

I think the only noteworthy bit to me is this...weren't these guys Republican appointed and pretty much some of the best attorneys in the country?

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Iglesias was portrayed by Tom Cruise in this great flick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hGvQtumNAY

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Leahy To Schlozman: ‘You’re Trying To Break Gonzales’ Record’ Of Saying ‘I Don’t Recall’ (http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/leahy-schlozman/)


Today before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Justice Department official Bradley Schlozman was supposed to testify on his role in the politicization of the Department’s Civil Rights Division and political cases he pursued against liberals while U.S. attorney in Missouri.

But instead of explaining his actions, Schlozman repeatedly claimed ignorance on the many scandals in which he’s been involved. At one point, committee members could no longer take it. Fed up, chairman Patrick Leahy (D-VT) held up a Justice Dept. manual on election offenses and said:


You know, I tend to think that perhaps you use this more as a doorstop than as something you actually had to follow. … I think you’re trying to break Attorney General Gonzales’ record of saying you “don’t recall” or you “don’t remember.” I’ve lost count of the number of times you’ve said that.

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No confidence vote coming Monday (http://rawstory.com/news/2007/No_confidence_vote_coming_Monday_0608.html)


The Senate plans to take up a no-confidence vote against Attorney General Alberto Gonzales on Monday, a sponsor of the measure announced Friday.

"If all senators who have actually lost confidence in Attorney General Gonzales voted their conscience, this vote would be unanimous," Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said in a statement announcing the vote. "However, the President will certainly exert pressure to support the Attorney General, his longtime friend. We will soon see where people's loyalties lie."

Gonzales has faced myriad calls for his resignation from lawmakers in both parties, but Republicans have so far been hesitant to endorse the no confidence vote.

The measure would be non-binding and would not force Gonzales to leave his post as the nation's top law enforcement officer. But the political symbolism if the Senate formally declared itself to have lost faith in Gonzales's ability to perform his duties would deal another blow to the scandal-wracked Bush administration.

The attorney general is under fire for his role in the US Attorney firing scandal, in which Democrats accuse Gonzales and the White House of conspiring to oust federal prosecutors who did not advance their political will.

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I talked with an accomplished attorney the other day. While this story is in the (semi) spotlight now, its been common practice through history to fill executive positions with like-minded individuals. Something those of us on the outside are getting a glimpse of right now.

For me, the firings are only the tip of the iceberg in this case. What I am really concerned about is how these people have been manipulating elections.

[Parkbandit]

So this is what Harry Reid was talking about when he said they didn't have time to debate the Immigration bill anymore.. that they had important and meaningful legislation to get to.

[Gan]

Obviously.

Shame they dont devote the same energy to the Berger conspiracy. :/

[Latrinsorm]

IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO, SERIOUSLY THIS TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ElanthianSiren]

No confidence vote coming Monday (http://rawstory.com/news/2007/No_confidence_vote_coming_Monday_0608.html)

And we shall call this -- "The congress of 100 non binding bullshit resolutions by 2008".