Sarkozy Wins French Presidency

[Hulkein]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6630797.stm

Victory! (Johnny Drama voice)

[Keller]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6630797.stm

Victory! (Johnny Drama voice)

My only fear is the anti-immigration stance.

[Gan]

Must suck to be a socialist in France right about now. ;)

[sst]

I guess socialism does not work for everyone. Go French! Wonder if they are going to send the foreign legion over to fight now?

[Parkbandit]

Clearly, this shows that the voters of France have spoken in support of the War in Iraq, the fight against Terrorism and the American Way.

[Gan]

Clearly, this shows that the voters of France have spoken in support of the War in Iraq, the fight against Terrorism and the American Way.

:rofl:

Winner

[Atlanteax]

Clearly, this shows that the voters of France have spoken in support of the War in Iraq, the fight against Terrorism and the American Way.

About time!! :lol:

[TheEschaton]

I was talking with one of my fellow students last night, who, before he came to law school, worked at the UN. Despite his far liberal progressive politics, he thinks Sarkozy was the better choice because: A) Royal was a one trick pony, the trick being her "Champion of the People" schtick, and B) Sarkozy's anti-immigration stance was probably campaign rhetoric (even during the riots?) to solidify the right vote, and is actually in favor of loosening labor laws, which would favor immigrants.

I don't know how much I agree with those assessments, but I don't know all that much about French politics.

[Parkbandit]

Who is the French PC Expert? Someone have a friend of a friend of a friend who has spoken to someone who might or might not live in France? I would like to get your expert analysis of this election result.

[Hulkein]

Who is the French PC Expert?

I know it' not Elanthian Siren.

[Gan]

But............Sarkozy's not going to win.

Edited to add: especially how he reacted to the riots in Paris - the black African community will unite against him at the very least, if not the whole immigrant community.

I have to say, I love Bob, who has yet to leave high school (and possibly Pepperell) has such a strong negative opinion of Royal. :P

I'm a democratic socialist myself, so it's pretty obvious where my hopes lie.

-TheE-

... (From the other French thread made a few weeks ago.)

[TheEschaton]

So I was wrong, not the first time, is it? ;)

[Gan]

I never made a claim either way (thanks for clarifying though). I was just stirring the pot a little. ;)

[Keller]

How was TheE wrong? Sarkozy, a second generation immigrant, spoke out against immigration in his campaign. Maybe he'll loosen labor laws, but that doesn't make him stop deporting people.

[Parkbandit]

How was TheE wrong? Sarkozy, a second generation immigrant, spoke out against immigration in his campaign. Maybe he'll loosen labor laws, but that doesn't make him stop deporting people.


Maybe the part of him never winning? L2readn00bface?

I think it's classic.. here is a very socialist country who has tried it.. found out socialism sucks ass.. and is now beginning to move back towards capitalism and some semblance of conservatism.

It's going to suck not being able to make fun of the French though...

[Atlanteax]

How was TheE wrong? Sarkozy, a second generation immigrant, spoke out against immigration in his campaign. Maybe he'll loosen labor laws, but that doesn't make him stop deporting people.

Actually, all of the EU is collectively looking for a way to institutionalize a procedure where they can deport "undesriables" to an African nation (such as Libya) who would agree to "detain" (as in not allow to emigrate back to the EU) them.

Which is something I applaud.

Now, let's not get any knee-jerk reactions about how it'll establish a precedent and rapidly expand into a massive deportion system.

But I favor something similiar for the U.S., where we "deport" hardened criminals to some remote island, that is difficult for them to get off, and let them fend for themselves.

[Warriorbird]

Interesting result. I wonder how it'll play out with their nigh revolutionary immigrant populace.

[Artha]

But I favor something similiar for the U.S., where we "deport" hardened criminals to some remote island, that is difficult for them to get off, and let them fend for themselves.

http://www.boomerangaustralia.com/source/newsletter/FRA/australian%20flag.JPG

[Keller]

Actually, all of the EU is collectively looking for a way to institutionalize a procedure where they can deport "undesriables" to an African nation (such as Libya) who would agree to "detain" (as in not allow to emigrate back to the EU) them.

Which is something I applaud.

Now, let's not get any knee-jerk reactions about how it'll establish a precedent and rapidly expand into a massive deportion system.

But I favor something similiar for the U.S., where we "deport" hardened criminals to some remote island, that is difficult for them to get off, and let them fend for themselves.

I support your final solution but only if we can agree that undesirables include jews, gypsies, homosexuals, autistics, and the ocassional communist.

[Parkbandit]

I support your final solution but only if we can agree that undesirables include jews, gypsies, homosexuals, autistics, and the ocassional communist.


So you equate hardened criminals to jews, gypsies, homosexuals, autistics and communists?

[Bobmuhthol]

<<So you equate hardened criminals to jews, gypsies, homosexuals, autistics and communists?>>

.. you serious?

[Keller]

So you equate hardened criminals to jews, gypsies, homosexuals, autistics and communists?

blah blah history repeats itself blah blah blah

[Hulkein]

Hitler deported criminals?

[Landrion]

Hitler deported criminals?

Maybe, you have to remember that Nazi Germany didnt go from 0 to Holocaust instantly. Along the way they lied to the people and made up euphemisms like "resettlement". I just read an article about their euthenasia program recently where the Nazis took great pains to hide their activities from the populace. Right down to falsified doctor's notes that the victims had died of various causes. They may have made up some lies about deporting "undesireables" and may actually have deported some as opposed to butchering them.

The point I took from it though was that Keller was mocking PB as a fascist or advocting fascist-like ideals. PB then mocked back indicating that he sees a difference in persecuting (or prosecuting if you prefer) criminals and the innocent. Im kind of unsure what Keller meant in return by blah blah history repeats itself blah blah blah. but Im guessing its something along the lines of Hitler made his persectution easier to swallow by playing on peoples fears and indignation towards groups that they resented (in our case criminals).

But then, maybe Im just playing captain obvious while I put off configuring this virtual tape library.

[Parkbandit]

Ber ish n fol r kay ser ni.

[Gan]

Ber ish n fol r kay ser ni.

Someone quick!

I think Stan's hacked PB's account!!!

[Parkbandit]

Someone quick!

I think Stan's hacked PB's account!!!


Naw, was just going to see how Landrion was going to use the post to construct one he thought I would mean.

[Landrion]

Naw, was just going to see how Landrion was going to use the post to construct one he thought I would mean.

You got me this time, I have no idea.

Howd I do before?

[Hulkein]

Maybe, you have to remember that Nazi Germany didnt go from 0 to Holocaust instantly. Along the way they lied to the people and made up euphemisms like "resettlement". I just read an article about their euthenasia program recently where the Nazis took great pains to hide their activities from the populace. Right down to falsified doctor's notes that the victims had died of various causes. They may have made up some lies about deporting "undesireables" and may actually have deported some as opposed to butchering them.

The point I took from it though was that Keller was mocking PB as a fascist or advocting fascist-like ideals. PB then mocked back indicating that he sees a difference in persecuting (or prosecuting if you prefer) criminals and the innocent. Im kind of unsure what Keller meant in return by blah blah history repeats itself blah blah blah. but Im guessing its something along the lines of Hitler made his persectution easier to swallow by playing on peoples fears and indignation towards groups that they resented (in our case criminals).

But then, maybe Im just playing captain obvious while I put off configuring this virtual tape library.

I took the same thing out of it. I agree to an extent.

[RichardCranium]

Isn't Xcalibur the French PC Expert?

[Gan]

He-who-shall-not-be-named, SHALL REMAIN NOT NAMED!!!

A curse be upon you should this raise him from the dead. A curse I say!

[Hulkein]

Xcalibur wasn't that bad. I think he should come back.

[Gan]

May 10,000 fleas infest your armpits.

[Gan]

PARIS (AP) -
Nicolas Sarkozy won the women's vote and fared well among blue-collar workers, even though his rival for the French presidency was a woman and a Socialist.

It was one of the surprising subplots in Sarkozy's resounding election victory over Segolene Royal - and shows his vision of pro-market reforms and scaling back immigration appeals to a wide audience.

Sarkozy's ability to attract votes from a broad spectrum of the public is an early indication he may be able to overcome his image as a polarizing force and achieve crucial popular support for pushing through his ambitious program of overhauling France's welfare system.

Official figures showed Sarkozy won France's one-time industrial heartland in the north, which French media said had not voted for a rightist presidential candidate since Charles de Gaulle in 1965.

Sarkozy even tallied nearly 44 percent of the vote in the Seine-Saint-Denis region north of Paris, where a wave of rioting erupted in late 2005 while he was interior minister and infuriated many there by calling troublemakers "scum."

more...

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070507/D8OVPUNO0.html

[Atlanteax]

Sounds like badly needed reforms to the French Socialist State to dilute the Gov't involvement is indeed a possibility now with Sarkozy's victory (which suprisingly was broad even though not decisive) lending credence to a mandate.

[Keller]

The point I took from it though was that Keller was mocking PB as a fascist or advocting fascist-like ideals. PB then mocked back indicating that he sees a difference in persecuting (or prosecuting if you prefer) criminals and the innocent. Im kind of unsure what Keller meant in return by blah blah history repeats itself blah blah blah. but Im guessing its something along the lines of Hitler made his persectution easier to swallow by playing on peoples fears and indignation towards groups that they resented (in our case criminals).

I was mocking BadTie. Then PB, because of his feable old mind, didn't get it. So I suscinctly abreviated my point.

And ya, Hitler started with the, "Let's put Germany back to work" agenda, just like Sarkozy. I'm not saying Sarkozy is going to start taking over the world, he's french afterall, but I am saying I'm a little worried about his immigrataion agenda.

[Atlanteax]

I was mocking BadTie. Then PB, because of his feable old mind, didn't get it. So I suscinctly abreviated my point.

And ya, Hitler started with the, "Let's put Germany back to work" agenda, just like Sarkozy. I'm not saying Sarkozy is going to start taking over the world, he's french afterall, but I am saying I'm a little worried about his immigrataion agenda.

What's wrong with deporting impoverished third-world immigrants who essentially "snuck into" the country? A parallel to illegal Mexicans and the U.S. border.

Nevermind that these individuals *refuse* to assimulate into French society.
I doubt that the French would have as much of an issue with it as they currently do, if the undesired immigrants made an effort to be French. (though I cannot blame them for not wanting to be French).

[Parkbandit]

(who's BadTie)

[Hulkein]

Atlanteax. His old avatar was a picture of him in what was determined to be an ugly tie.

[Keller]

What's wrong with deporting impoverished third-world immigrants who essentially "snuck into" the country? A parallel to illegal Mexicans and the U.S. border.

Nevermind that these individuals *refuse* to assimulate into French society.
I doubt that the French would have as much of an issue with it as they currently do, if the undesired immigrants made an effort to be French. (though I cannot blame them for not wanting to be French).


You forgot about the thousands who immigrated during colonialism and are still forced to live in the bandleiu. The French are massively xenophobic and the country has had terrible unemployment over the last 10 years. There are many people in France who believe the available jobs "belong" to the white French population and I'm just frightened that Sarkozy's pro-American politics might lead the US to turn a blind eye to forced emigration.

[Parkbandit]

Atlanteax. His old avatar was a picture of him in what was determined to be an ugly tie.


LOL.. I get it now.

[Atlanteax]

You forgot about the thousands who immigrated during colonialism and are still forced to live in the bandleiu. The French are massively xenophobic and the country has had terrible unemployment over the last 10 years. There are many people in France who believe the available jobs "belong" to the white French population and I'm just frightened that Sarkozy's pro-American politics might lead the US to turn a blind eye to forced emigration.

... and the issue is... ???

Why should the U.S. care if the French decide to fix their unemployment (and welfare) problem by deporting those who will not assimilate into French culture?

Sounds like the French fixes two problems. Unemployment and a financial burden on the socialist state. I'd applaud such a reform.

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The parallel in the U.S. would be the termination of teaching English as the secondary language (primarily-only), and the deportation of immigrants who have *not* been working for more than 3 months, and have been in the country for less than 2 years (arbitary grandfathering date). Those that have been in the country for less than 5 years (another arbitary date) and are on welfare, are also subject to deportation.

Welfare is not necessary limited to the monthly handouts by the federal government. Applies to all instances where it is a financial drain on the local and state level (that is better spent on other Americans).

[Keller]

... and the issue is... ???

Why should the U.S. care if the French decide to fix their unemployment (and welfare) problem by deporting those who will not assimilate into French culture?

Sounds like the French fixes two problems. Unemployment and a financial burden on the socialist state. I'd applaud such a reform.

.

The parallel in the U.S. would be the termination of teaching English as the secondary language (primarily-only), and the deportation of immigrants who have *not* been working for more than 3 months, and have been in the country for less than 2 years (arbitary grandfathering date). Those that have been in the country for less than 5 years (another arbitary date) and are on welfare, are also subject to deportation.

Welfare is not necessary limited to the monthly handouts by the federal government. Applies to all instances where it is a financial drain on the local and state level (that is better spent on other Americans).

If kicking out citizens of the nation is reform I have a strong suspicion you might truly favor a final solution.

[Sean of the Thread]

Comparing the "final solution" to a hard line on serious criminals is becoming a bit ridiculous. The first mention I got a haha out of it.. now it's becoming embarrassingly out of context.

In other words.. stfu.

[Hulkein]

Ann Coulter's take on the victory:

I'm off to Paris! I hereby revoke every churlish remark I've ever made about those lovely Gallic people. (But in light of former New Jersey governor and current "gay American" Jim McGreevey's latest career move, I redouble everything I've ever said about the Episcopalians.)

With Nicolas Sarkozy's decisive victory as the new president of France, the French have produced their first pro-American ruler since Louis XVI.

In celebration of France's spectacular return to Western civilization, I bought a Herve Leger dress on Monday, and we're having croissants for breakfast every day this week. This delicate French pastry, by the way, is in the shape of a crescent to commemorate the Crusaders' victory over Islam. Aren't the French just peachy?

"Sarkozy the American," as he is known in France, called Muslim rioters "scum." Louis, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.
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He explained his position on Muslim immigrants in France, saying: "Nobody has to, I repeat, live in France. But when you live in France, you respect its rules. That is to say that you are not a polygamist. ... One doesn't practice female genital mutilation on one's daughters, one doesn't slit the throat of the sheep, and one respects the republican rules."

Sarko never issued an apology or entered rehab. To the contrary, he said: "I called some individuals that I refuse to call 'youth' by the name they deserve. ... I never felt that by saying 'scum' I was being vulgar, hypocritical or insincere."

Is there a single American politician who would speak so clearly without then apologizing to Howard Dean?

It looks like the Democrats are going to have to drop their talking point about Bush irritating the rest of the world. Evidently not as much as Muslim terrorists irritate the rest of the world. The politicians who hate Bush keep being dumped by their own voters.

At the Democratic presidential debate a few weeks ago, B. Hussein Obama carped that Bush had "alienate(d) the world community" and vowed that he would build "the sort of alliances and trust around the world that has been so lacking over the last six years."

Democrats are terrific at building alliances. Remember how Jimmy Carter won the love of the world by ditching our ally the Shah of Iran, allowing him be replaced by a string of crazy ayatollahs? Since then, we haven't heard a peep from that area of the world.

The smartest woman in the world sniped that she would "create alliances instead of alienation."

Yes, it was spellbinding how her husband charmed North Korean dictator Kim Il Sung and his sociopathic son Kim Jong Il by showering them with visits from Jimmy Carter and gifts from love-machine Madeleine Albright. And that was that: No more trouble from North Korea!

As I understand it, the center of the supposedly America-hating world is France. But now it turns out even the French don't hate America as much as liberals do.

Au contraire! (We can say that again!) Our Georgie is the most popular American with the French since Jerry Lewis.

All over the civilized world, voters are turning terrorist-coddling liberals out of office and voting for politicians friendly toward Bush, the world's sworn enemy of Islamic fascism.

Those foreign leaders so admired by Democrats for hating George Bush and loving Saddam Hussein are being replaced by rulers who pledge their friendship to the United States.

Retrospectively, B. Hussein Obama's answer about our most important ally being "the European Union" may eventually become true, thanks to Bush's ceaseless ally-making.

In Germany, pro-American Angela Merkel crushed the mincing anti-American chancellor Gerhard Schroeder in 2005.

Last year, conservatives swept Canada, making Conservative Party leader Stephen Harper the prime minister. I haven't loved Canadians this much since the New York Rangers won the Stanley Cup.

Australian Prime Minister John Howard is both the longest-serving Australian prime minister and -- by his own account -- the most conservative. As The New York Times rooted for his defeat in 2004, claiming Australians were furious with him for his support of the Iraq war, he won a historic third term.

Along with Howard, Bush's staunchest ally in the war on terrorism has been Britain's Labor Party leader Tony Blair. He's about to leave office -- only to be replaced by a leader from the even more pro-American Conservative Party.

American celebrities who threaten to move out of the country every election rather than live under a conservative leader are running out of countries to move to.

Only Spain remains a nation of women. As long as Spain exists, it will not outlive the shame of its gutless capitulation to terrorist bombings in 2004. It is worse than Sweden's neutrality toward Hitler.

But France! Until this week, France seemed a less likely place to find someone who supports America than a meeting of Democrats.

Apparently, even the French prefer Western civilization to clitorectomy-performing, car-burning savages.

The Democratic Party is now officially the only organization on Earth that does not take the threat of Islamic fascism seriously. Between the Democrats and the media, America has gone from its usual position as the world's last hope to radical Islam's last hope.

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She's obviously over-the-top in some places (saying people loved Hussein), but I liked it otherwise.

[Back]

You want to talk about pandering?

See pimping your whore cause.

[TheEschaton]

If Sarkozy winning means Ann Coulter's going to France, I am so suddenly on board with Sarkozy's presidency.

-TheE-

[DeV]

She's a joke. And happens to be one woman I'm glad never decided to become a politician. Not only are her opinions far worse than the most extremist Hollywood liberal and conservative combined. Her idiotic rhetoric is consistently indecent, usually oozing with bullshit, and teeming with a disgusting lack of intellectual accountability.

As much as she hates liberals she comes off as far wose than any she may deem to be un-American by her already low standard of moral decency.

Also to note, I believe her to be incredibly intelligent and she has certainly perfected her craft . On the downside I find her manipulation of her audience to be quite whorish and despicable, which tends to go hand in hand with the fact that she's also a walking pile of yeast infection.

The French and Canadians can have her, if there are any takers that is.

[Parkbandit]

She's as foolish looking as those in the US that said the last Election was a mandate on the Iraq War.

God, she's a fucking idiot.

[Skirmisher]

She's a joke. And happens to be one woman I'm glad never decided to become a politician. Not only are her opinions far worse than the most extremist Hollywood liberal and conservative combined. Her idiotic rhetoric is consistently indecent, usually oozing with bullshit, and teeming with a disgusting lack of intellectual accountability.

As much as she hates liberals she comes off as far wose than any she may deem to be un-American by her already low standard of moral decency.

Also to note, I believe her to be incredibly intelligent and she has certainly perfected her craft . On the downside I find her manipulation of her audience to be quite whorish and despicable, which tends to go hand in hand with the fact that she's also a walking pile of yeast infection.

The French and Canadians can have her, if there are any takers that is.

Yes.


...
God, she's a fucking idiot.

And yes.

[Daniel]

I bet she's a tiger in the sack.

[Parkbandit]

I bet she's a tiger in the sack.

I bet she talks too much.. and not in a good way.

Unless you enjoy the submissive thing.

[TheEschaton]

Wait....is there a possibility of concensus on the PC?

Can we all agree Ann Coulter is an idiot?

Possibly a raging bitch?

-TheE-

[Back]

^agreed

[Hulkein]

I think she's purposely over-the-top for profit.

I don't think she's stupid. Some of her views are as a result of her purpose, imo.

[Parkbandit]

I should have put italics in my other post as it clearly was too intellectual for some.

My bad :(

[Gan]

She's as foolish looking as those in the US that said the last Election was a mandate on the Iraq War.

God, she's a fucking idiot.





...
God, she's a fucking idiot.

And yes.


I should have put italics in my other post as it clearly was too intellectual for some.

My bad :(

Clearly an example of Skirmy falling into the abyss of sarchasm. I was going to comment on the abridged quote, but decided to leave that to you. ;)

[DeV]

I don't think she's stupid. She is not. She's a marketing genius, but in the same respect she earns the heat she receives and even purposely seeks it out with about every other word that's uttered from piehole and written in print.

[Gan]

She's laughing all the way to the bank if you ask me...

[DeV]

Clearly an example of Skirmy falling into the abyss of sarchasm.Quoting a portion of a post intended to be an attempt at sarcastic wit or humor and saying you're in agreement with it is a form of sarcasm in itself.

[Stanley Burrell]

I will be very surprised if there isn't a fundamental Islamic attack on France within the next eight or so years. France's anti-American patronage is going to be so heavily outmatched by its growing Bushy American-esque polarization (with an infinitely feebler crowd control strategy) that all I can say is that I hope Anne Coulter plans her tour de France alongside the timeframe of when the Eifel Tower begins to take on a shade of radioactive green (or perhaps anthrax powder ivory.)

Basically, what I'm saying, is that the French are bigoted douchebags blinded by their own ideology. And that I believe in karma. Especially when it comes to France, I hope.

[Gan]

Quoting a portion of a post intended to be an attempt at sarcastic wit or humor and saying you're in agreement with it is a form of sarcasm in itself.

We're so multidimensional today it seems.

[DeV]

It's just something I do on occasion; it wasn't that hard to come up with. I'm also not afraid to say that I could be very wrong about Skirm's initial intent.

[Gan]

I wonder if she (it) goes both ways?

[Skirmisher]

Clearly an example of Skirmy falling into the abyss of sarchasm. I was going to comment on the abridged quote, but decided to leave that to you. ;)

I thought my making it an obviously abridged quote with the ellipses made that unneeded but such is life.

[Gan]

:lol:

The abridged part was definately obvious. Its the intent that was not clear. Perhaps if you had italicized (or otherwise denoted a hint of sarchasm) "And Yes" we would have known you were abridging in jest or in mockery of PB.

From the following responses, it seems others took you literally. ;)

[Tea & Strumpets]

It's sarcasm!

[Gan]

Not if you're using Nien's definition (which I am...).

Its in her signature.



Sarchasm (n): The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.

[DeV]

"And Yes" we would have known you were abridging in jest or in mockery of PB.

The "..." along with the abridged text in Skirm's reply did it for me; glad to know my assumption was correct.

And it was at least clear to me from PB's first sentence that he was being sarcastic, hence my initial assumption. :)