Tipping etiquette

[GuildRat]

Thanks for providing us with that snippet of intellectual wizardry.


You're the one that chose your profession and chose to be cheap on the out...blame yourself girly.

[DeV]

:wtf:

[Miss X]

You're the one that chose your profession and chose to be cheap on the out...blame yourself girly.


I'm sorry you're unable to comprehend my sentiments.

[GuildRat]

:wtf:

I just find it funny how people relate how they don't get tipped for doing their jobs when service-industry people do.

I never got tipped for being shot at for 13+ months...not to mention I have a BSN in nursing which is 2 years more than she put in educationwise and she finds some lame assed excuse for being cheap.

Hell....she obviously gets free health care too...something I pay 200 bucks a month for. Yet I still tip 20-25% on a meal...and up to 50% on a good bar tab.


EESH!!

[GuildRat]

I'm sorry you're unable to comprehend my sentiments.


I get it....you're cheap...end of story.

[Miss X]

I just find it funny how people relate how they don't get tipped for doing their jobs when service-industry people do.

I never got tipped for being shot at for 13+ months...not to mention I have a BSN in nursing which is 2 years more than she put in educationwise and she finds some lame assed excuse for being cheap.

Hell....she obviously gets free health care too...something I pay 200 bucks a month for. Yet I still tip 20-25% on a meal...and up to 50% on a good bar tab.


EESH!!


For the record, I have a Bachelors degree and a Masters degree in Nursing. You really have no idea what I've put in, education wise.

[CrystalTears]

Chica don't even justify yourself to this guy.

Thanks for bringing this thread to a new low, GuildRat.

[GuildRat]

Chica don't even justify yourself to this guy.

Thanks for bringing this thread to a new low, GuildRat.

Who the hell cares....it's about tipping, if you're cheap...you're cheap...for the sake of Christ....she's cheap...she should live with it...I don't give a rat's what you Europeans think.

BTW....if you're an RN....and have a Masters', you're an idiot....male or female.

[CrystalTears]

Tipping isn't really done in Europe. Now if she came to the US and didn't follow our customs of tipping because she doesn't have to back home that's something else. She's not cheap for not tipping where it isn't practiced. I think really her point earlier is that she agrees with a decent wage and no tips since it seems to work fine over there.

[GuildRat]

It's different in the UK obviously. Waiters get paid minimum wage or more and still get tips, health care is free. This is why I don't tip often. If my patients are gonna start tipping me for setting their IV up (my job that I'm already paid for) then I'll start tipping waiters for serving my food (their job that they're already paid for.)



WOOT!!! minimum wage.....that's what...about 8 pounds per hour of slaving over some snooty Euro-trash? to bring them a meal and a pint?

Nice...remind me to stay right where I am....the good ol US.

[Miss X]

Who the hell cares....it's about tipping, if you're cheap...you're cheap...for the sake of Christ....she's cheap...she should live with it...I don't give a rat's what you Europeans think.

BTW....if you're an RN....and have a Masters', you're an idiot....male or female.

Uh... I'd have to be an RN to work as a nurse. There's no way to get a Masters in Nursing without being an RN. It's not related to the type of job I do, it's purely a couple of letters confirming I'm a qualified nurse, registered with the Nursing Council. Perhaps it works differently in the US.

[DeV]

Originally Posted by GuildRat http://forum.gsplayers.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?p=579388#post579388)
Normal cheap-assed mentality for a female.....nuff said.

My :wtf: had more to do with this lame assed excuse for a thought.

[GuildRat]

My :wtf: had more to do with this lame assed excuse for a thought.

In my humble experience....women tend to be cheaper in the tipping department than men do. If this doesn't apply to you, so be it.

Also, it seems that more women work as bartenders and wait-staff in my neck of the woods.

[Tsa`ah]

Talk about a fucking moron.

Hey dumbfuck ... you can be an RN stateside with an associates.

It breaks down like this.

CNA
LPN
RNa

Associates

RNb

Bachelorette

RNm

Masters

RN PhD

Doctorate

Nurse practitioner/Physician assistant

Separate school all together but basically a masters in the field.

[GuildRat]

Uh... I'd have to be an RN to work as a nurse. There's no way to get a Masters in Nursing without being an RN. It's not related to the type of job I do, it's purely a couple of letters confirming I'm a qualified nurse, registered with the Nursing Council. Perhaps it works differently in the US.

If you're still intubating patients and starting IVs and dislodging impacted colons as an MSN.....you need to move....obviously the BK has no idea what 8 years of education is for.

[GuildRat]

Talk about a fucking moron.

Hey dumbfuck ... you can be an RN stateside with an associates.

It breaks down like this.

CNA
LPN
RNa

Associates

RNb

Bachelorette



RNm

Masters

RN PhD

Doctorate

Nurse practitioner/Physician assistant

Separate school all together but basically a masters in the field.

You're a fucking idiot without a clue....go to school dumbass.

[CrystalTears]

My :wtf: had more to do with this lame assed excuse for a thought.
QFT

[GuildRat]

QFT

You've admitted you are cheap....I was simply stating that a woman, when tipping another female....is cheap. Where as males tend to be more across the board on the tip. So QFT all you want.

[Tsa`ah]

You're a fucking idiot without a clue....go to school dumbass.

I already hold a degree and paid for a portion of that degree doing work study in a hospital.

[GuildRat]

I already hold a degree and paid for a portion of that degree doing work study in a hospital.

An associates in janitorial services? Seems so.

[CrystalTears]

You've admitted you are cheap....I was simply stating that a woman, when tipping another female....is cheap. Where as males tend to be more across the board on the tip. So QFT all you want.
Holy shit, when did I admit that I was cheap??

You're just making assumptions, since most of the women I know are better tippers then men, including myself.

[Tsa`ah]

An associates in janitorial services? Seems so.

If you want to label a pre-med program as a degree in custodial arts ... so be it. Thought it's kind of moot since I decided against furthering my degree.

It's sufficient enough that I had to padd my already existing classes with non-credit courses through the hospital's nursing program for four months before I could start earning credit, 8 bucks an hour toward tuition, and 3 bucks an hour toward my pocket while taking on 3 12 hour shifts a week doing the same work RNs do.

You're a fucking idiot if you think an RN, or any level or nursing, is nothing more than IVs and intubation.

[DeV]

In my humble experience....women tend to be cheaper in the tipping department than men do.In your experience as a server/bartdender men tipped you better than women? Heh, very interesting.


If this doesn't apply to you, so be it.It doesn't.


Also, it seems that more women work as bartenders and wait-staff in my neck of the woods.My girlfriend used to bartend so I'm well aware of how men and women tip based on a number of different factors. Women tipping cheaper is not something she experienced very often.

[Latrinsorm]

You don't feel you should have to tip them. That's a few bucks you would save yourself everytime you went out to eat, no?No, I feel they should get paid like real people (i.e. more than $2 an hour) so they don't have to rely on this bizarre and pointless system. There's no net change, which means prices aren't going to go up, they're not going to get less money, etc., etc. This has been said at least three thousand and fifty-six times, as a very conservative estimate.
And if they decide to make every customer service job with no benefits to be lower wages with tips, I wouldn't be opposed to it.Then you're alright.
for the sake of ChristW%WJT? My guess is 21% for 7*3.

[Keller]

In my humble experience....women tend to be cheaper in the tipping department than men do. If this doesn't apply to you, so be it.

Also, it seems that more women work as bartenders and wait-staff in my neck of the woods.

ROFL!!!

My best tips were ALWAYS from women.

You must be ugly as fuck.

[DeV]

You've admitted you are cheap....I was simply stating that a woman, when tipping another female....is cheap.Again, :wtf:


Where as males tend to be more across the board on the tip. .I can't tell you how many times my girlfriend received big tips from male customers because they thought they'd get her phone number at the end of the night or because she smiled and engaged them the entire time they drank at the bar. Males tend to either over-tip or severely under-tip. Across the board women tip on average 15% regardless of the gender of their server.

[GuildRat]

Again, :wtf:

I can't tell you how many times my girlfriend received big tips from male customers because they thought they'd get her phone number at the end of the night or because she smiled and engaged them the entire time they drank at the bar. Males tend to either over-tip or severely under-tip. Across the board women tip on average 15% regardless of the gender of their server.

I call bullshit....I tip on basis of th service I recieve. Gender of the waitstaff doesn't matter. Men get as good a tip as any woman may and moreso in some instances as they don't seem to rely on the ass and tit as much as women do.

Who the fuck cares if a chick has a sweet ass if your beer or drink is empty every frickin time you turn around? Not me for sure.

[GuildRat]

ROFL!!!

My best tips were ALWAYS from women.

You must be ugly as fuck.

You da man...what're you...30'ish...working in a bar or as a waiter?

BTW...cigar smoking men that wanna take you home don't count.

[Tsa`ah]

This is nonsense. We're already paying them considerably more than minimum wage, it's just done in an archaic, bass-ackwards manner. Your concern that the pay will get any worse or that prices will go up is unsubstantiated in reality. The existence of any good service anywhere in a wage-based regime demonstrates how your service concern is also not a necessary result.

You're trying to compare uncomparable markets. You would have a point if it hasn't been proven time and time again that service declines in the food industry when tips are factored out. (see mandatory gratuities)

Aside from that, way to keep pulling a Latrin ...


I often wonder what it is you see when you read posts. My guess is the Tsa`ah-vision version of this post goes like this:
"I love Jesus and believe everything in the Bible. I wish waiters would just get shot in the face for being Godless heathen, but the next best thing is to pay them about 2 bucks an hour (preferably less). Clearly, I've never left the plexiglass dome my parents constructed for me in the basement."Do you tip farmers when you buy produce in the grocery store?

... and keep pulling.

While I do wish there were a better system, it's not likely to happen due to a number of factors, but all of them can be narrowed down into 2 large factors.

1. Cost of business

We don't have national health care and providing health care as an owner/operator of a small business normally puts you into the red.

2. No one aspires to be a member of any waitstaff.

Comparing the tipping habits of Europeans or Canadians to the tipping habits, or even the industry, in the US is far from what would be considered a good comparison.

And just a side thought here ... how in the fuck are you going to tip the farmer?

[GuildRat]

<<And just a side thought here ... how in the fuck are you going to tip the farmer?>

Dude...you are a moron...you think the government doesn't subsidise the farmers?

OI

[Tsa`ah]

<<And just a side thought here ... how in the fuck are you going to tip the farmer?>

Dude...you are a moron...you think the government doesn't subsidise the farmers?

OI

Way to pull a Latrin.

That's not tipping ... and I know all about subsidies. Those will be on my mind when my turn comes up in 2 hours and the metal seat of a 880 Oliver pounds the hell out of my sciatic.

[Keller]

You da man...what're you...30'ish...working in a bar or as a waiter?

BTW...cigar smoking men that wanna take you home don't count.

You've got me pegged.

Maybe you should see if the circus needs a new, "Tell me all about myself!" dude. You'd be perfect.

[DeV]

I call bullshit....I tip on basis of th service I recieve. Great, so you agree that it would be stupid to say something along these lines "Normal cheap-assed mentality for a female.....nuff said" when most women wo aren't interested in the tits and ass of another women are also going to tip based on the service they receive. Glad we could come to an understanding on that one.


Gender of the waitstaff doesn't matter. You're catching on now.


Men get as good a tip as any woman may and moreso in some instances as they don't seem to rely on the ass and tit as much as women do.
So you tip men more in some instances based on the fact that you don't think they are relying on your lack of tits and ass in giving you quality service? Or in other words, :wtf:


Who the fuck cares if a chick has a sweet ass if your beer or drink is empty every frickin time you turn around? Not me for sure.Some guys do, which is why you calling bullshit on something I don't think you've ever personally experienced is laughable. Do you ever wonder why there are more women bartenders than men in your area?

lol.

[Celephais]

GuildRat ruined my favorite arguing thread...

... and my estimate is probably about double yours latrin, we've said it seven hundred thousand times, and they still seem to think that we're just trying to be cheap. ... it amazes me, I mean... you're the furthest thing from a Jew this board has!

[Tsa`ah]

I fail to see what being a Jew has to do with anything.

[GuildRat]

You've got me pegged.

Maybe you should see if the circus needs a new, "Tell me all about myself!" dude. You'd be perfect.

I'd tell you all about m'self...but why? It's better to have a bit of mystery don't yout think?

As for you...it's not hard to figure out, you're pissed that your life doesn't measure up to what you think it should. No biggy there.

[Celephais]

I fail to see what being a Jew has to do with anything.

Learn2Racist

[GuildRat]

And DeV....there's not much point in arguing with you as to who pulls in the tips as you and your gal seem to trade off service for "my ass is fine".

I don't care man or woman...service basically gets the better tip....end of story.

[Tsa`ah]

And DeV....there's not much point in arguing with you as to who pulls in the tips as you and your gal seem to trade off service for "my ass is fine".

I don't care man or woman...service basically gets the better tip....end of story.


You either have had your testicles removed, or have some sort of hormone deficiency.

If a woman is obviously playing her ass and tits into the tip factor, they're not getting much more out of me ... however, my wife has stomped on my tipping enough to let me know that just because our server had an incredible ass or a better than average rack does not mean I should tip more.

I know that when it's nothing but us guys at the table or any instance where the wife isn't around ... tits and ass are getting tipped more. It's called being a hetero guy.

[Celephais]

I know that when it's nothing but us guys at the table or any instance where the wife isn't around ... tits and ass are getting tipped more. It's called being a hetero guy.

Every now and then I have to agree with you. :medieval:

[CrystalTears]

I've tipped higher for a nice rack. Well, when the service was good. You know, the food service. :D

[GuildRat]

You either have had your testicles removed, or have some sort of hormone deficiency.

If a woman is obviously playing her ass and tits into the tip factor, they're not getting much more out of me ... however, my wife has stomped on my tipping enough to let me know that just because our server had an incredible ass or a better than average rack does not mean I should tip more.

I know that when it's nothing but us guys at the table or any instance where the wife isn't around ... tits and ass are getting tipped more. It's called being a hetero guy.

ahahahahaha.....you're retarded then. Ass and tits gets your cash tho your beer be empty.

Grab a set and know that you're not going home to anyone other than your wife, no matter how homely she is.

[Celephais]

ahahahahaha.....you're retarded then. Ass and tits gets your cash tho your beer be empty.

Grab a set and know that you're not going home to anyone other than your wife, no matter how homely she is.

It doesn't mean he thinks he's going home wit her, just that he appreciated the view...

[DeV]

And DeV....there's not much point in arguing with you as to who pulls in the tips as you and your gal seem to trade off service for "my ass is fine".Way to completely miss the point and then come up with a reply which has no bearing on what I initially said and can barely be interpreted as a complete thought.

p.s. See Tsa'ah's post for greater insight.

[GuildRat]

Way to completely miss the point and then come up with a reply which has no bearing on what I initially said and can barely be interpreted as a complete thought.

p.s. See Tsa'ah's post for greater insight.

Tsa'ah is a moron....that's been shown. As far as being clear on tipping... I've pretty much shown how I tip.

[Methais]

And the moral of this thread is:

Good tips = good service
Bad tips = bad service

Whether people agree with that or not is irrelevant.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/die-thread.jpg

[GuildRat]

And the moral of this thread is:

Good tips = good service
Bad tips = bad service

Whether people agree with that or not is irrelevant.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a162/DoyleHargraves/die-thread.jpg

AGREED

[Celephais]

AGREED
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u222/GuinnessKMF/mullet.png

We all know that better service will get better tips, that's not what this thread is about. You're inability to comprehend that is thankfully excusable by the fact that you didn't read the entire thread (I hope to god no one wasted their time to read it all at once, instead of as it grew)

[Tsa`ah]

Tsa'ah is a moron....that's been shown. As far as being clear on tipping... I've pretty much shown how I tip.

If it has been proven that I'm a moron ... what a sad sad sad existence you must lead.

No one is arguing that good service will yield good tips (cheap ass people aside).

For you to think that I tip well for nice tits and ass with the hope that I'll take one home ... I'm the moron? Do you comprehend what the word "wife" means?

I'll translate the word for you ... "I'll take half your shit".

Tipping tits and ass is a "thank you" for the view or an "anatomy appreciation tax".

I'm sure there are women (not like CT because she's a freak) that will tip the same way. I'm sure there are gay men and women that will tip the same way.

It's called human nature.

Be sure to surrender your man card on your way out.

[GuildRat]

If it has been proven that I'm a moron ... what a sad sad sad existence you must lead.

No one is arguing that good service will yield good tips (cheap ass people aside).

For you to think that I tip well for nice tits and ass with the hope that I'll take one home ... I'm the moron? Do you comprehend what the word "wife" means?

I'll translate the word for you ... "I'll take half your shit".

Tipping tits and ass is a "thank you" for the view or an "anatomy appreciation tax".

I'm sure there are women (not like CT because she's a freak) that will tip the same way. I'm sure there are gay men and women that will tip the same way.

It's called human nature.

Be sure to surrender your man card on your way out.

It's being confident in my "manhood" that keeps me tipping for what service I receive.

I don't give a rat's ass if she's flashing cleavage left and right...if my beer goes dry without her asking me if I want another....she's wrong.

You and your wife....need to work on what you think is good service in MHO.

[Keller]

I'd tell you all about m'self...but why? It's better to have a bit of mystery don't yout think?

As for you...it's not hard to figure out, you're pissed that your life doesn't measure up to what you think it should. No biggy there.

Somewhere between my post and your stupidity is a sarchasm.

[GuildRat]

Somewhere between my post and your stupidity is a sarchasm.


You're absolutely right....somewhere you're lost and there's a rift between you being happy with your life.

GFYS....TYVM.

[Keller]

You're absolutely right....somewhere you're lost and there's a rift between you being happy with your life.

GFYS....TYVM.


Is there any point trying to get through to you?

Is anyone even up there?

[GuildRat]

No....there's no point with your logic. So please give up.

[CrystalTears]

I
I'm sure there are women (not like CT because she's a freak)
:cry:


It's being confident in my "manhood" that keeps me tipping for what service I receive.

I don't give a rat's ass if she's flashing cleavage left and right...if my beer goes dry without her asking me if I want another....she's wrong.
So you mean to tell me you've never given someone with a nice view a little something extra for not only being a good waitress but for also being eye candy?


You and your wife....need to work on what you think is good service in MHO.
Looking good and good service are not mutually exclusive. You can have one or the other, or both.

[DeV]

Is anyone even up there?:no:

[Keller]

No....there's no point with your logic. So please give up.

You said I was in my 30s still waiting tables.

That's entirely wrong.

I employed sarcasm in response.

You missed it.


Please explain where my logic fucked up.

[Trouble]

"anatomy appreciation tax"

LOL perfect description.

[Miss X]

If you're still intubating patients and starting IVs and dislodging impacted colons as an MSN.....you need to move....obviously the BK has no idea what 8 years of education is for.

I'm an autonomous practitioner. I work in the community, mostly with palliative care or chronically ill people. I do a range of things from teaching care assistants to supra pubic catheterisation and everything in between. Only thing I don't do is personal care, besides rare instances when a patient is imminently dying and I'm the only health care professional there. :)

I love my job so much, I could have countless qualifications and I'd still want to be out there giving front line nursing care. Love love love it.

Sorry, thread derailed ftl!

[GuildRat]

You said I was in my 30s still waiting tables.

That's entirely wrong.

I employed sarcasm in response.

You missed it.


Please explain where my logic fucked up.

This all started with someone cheaping on a tip....you may as well be 40 to me and working at BK....I give a fuck. This I know, you've never done a worthwhile thing in your misbegotten life.

So, as far as I'm concerned, unless you've saved the artic parrot, or relieved the world of crotchile parasites, go find a deep hole and crawl in it and pull the dirt over yourself.

EESH!!

[GuildRat]

I'm an autonomous practitioner. I work in the community, mostly with palliative care or chronically ill people. I do a range of things from teaching care assistants to supra pubic catheterisation and everything in between. Only thing I don't do is personal care, besides rare instances when a patient is imminently dying and I'm the only health care professional there. :)

I love my job so much, I could have countless qualifications and I'd still want to be out there giving front line nursing care. Love love love it.

Sorry, thread derailed ftl!

And? Sheesh. You chose to work in a thankless field, as did I. Difference is I got out of it for another thankless field which I don't complain about to you people. Why?....because it was my choice. Plain and simple.

[DeV]

She isn't complaining though. She loves her job, and if you dont that's your problem. Plain and simple.

[Keller]

This all started with someone cheaping on a tip....

No. It all started with you saying women tip worse than men. Which is patently false.



you may as well be 40 to me and working at BK....I give a fuck.

Except insomuchas when I correctly inferred you're ugly as fuck, you got your panties in a bunch and decided to apply conjecture to try and save face.



This I know, you've never done a worthwhile thing in your misbegotten life.

And I'm the one who is angry with his life?


So, as far as I'm concerned, unless you've saved the artic parrot, or relieved the world of crotchile parasites, go find a deep hole and crawl in it and pull the dirt over yourself.

You need therapy.

[GuildRat]

She isn't complaining though. She loves her job, and if you dont that's your problem. Plain and simple.

Don't make me quote how she doesn't get tipped for doing her "job"

Read above...

[GuildRat]

No. It all started with you saying women tip worse than men. Which is patently false.




Except insomuchas when I correctly inferred you're ugly as fuck, you got your panties in a bunch and decided to apply conjecture to try and save face.




And I'm the one who is angry with his life?

Oh please. I'm ugly...who cares? You looking for a date or what? Not me for sure. Statistically, women do tip worse than men...google it, numb nutz. As far as being angry with life, I'm not....I a happy go lucky type until some dumb ass pokes his head in and decides he's a braniac.



You need therapy.

Show me a good therapist...and I'll show you a liberal that needs a good airing out of their cranium.

Oh please. I'm ugly...who cares? You looking for a date or what? Not me for sure. Statistically, women do tip worse than men...google it, numb nutz. As far as being angry with life, I'm not....I a happy go lucky type until some dumb ass pokes his head in and decides he's a braniac.

[Miss X]

Don't make me quote how she doesn't get tipped for doing her "job"

Read above...

Jesus....

Your comprehension skills are almost non existent. I've never complained about my job. I love it and I don't expect to be tipped for it. I simply stated that I believe people should be paid for doing their job and I don't give them extra for it.

I used the example of my own job, which is as demanding as a waiters job. You can take it which ever way you like but to say I complain about my job is a huge leap from what I actually implied.

[DeV]

Don't make me quote how she doesn't get tipped for doing her "job"

Read above...That doesn't mean she dislikes her job on any level, which she clearly stated above. The only link is that it is also a service oriented job, which she happens to love doing, mmkay?

No offense, but there is something seriously wrong with the way you process information.

[GuildRat]

Jesus....

Your comprehension skills are almost non existant. I've never complained about my job. I love it and I don't expect to be tipped for it. I simply stated that I believe people should be paid for doing their job and I don't give them extra for it.

I used the example of my own job, which is as demanding as a waiters job. You can take it which ever way you like but to say I complain about my job is a huge leap from what I actually implied.

So when they're paid 3.35 an hour where the MW is 7+....and tips are counted towards taxation....you think it's ok to tip nada?

Your implications are your own....I just spoke on them.

[GuildRat]

Jesus....

Your comprehension skills are almost non existent. I've never complained about my job. I love it and I don't expect to be tipped for it. I simply stated that I believe people should be paid for doing their job and I don't give them extra for it.

I used the example of my own job, which is as demanding as a waiters job. You can take it which ever way you like but to say I complain about my job is a huge leap from what I actually implied.


That doesn't mean she dislikes her job on any level, which she clearly stated above. The only link is that it is also a service oriented job, which she happens to love doing, mmkay?

No offense, but there is something seriously wrong with the way you process information.

OMFG.....I processed what she said.....berate me please!!

Fucking say what you mean and mean what you say...fro crying out loud.

[Miss X]

I'm talking about my own country....

[Keller]

Fucking say what you mean and mean what you say...fro crying out loud.

In my official capacity as Player's Corner Spokesman, I confer upon you, GuildRat, the "Most Retarded Poster" award on this the 1st Day of May, 2007.

On behalf of the entire community I want to congratulate you on this hard-earned award. It truly takes a low standard of intellect and reasoning to lock this award up this early in the day. Backlash hasn't even started his stoned posting yet!

[CrystalTears]

So when they're paid 3.35 an hour where the MW is 7+....and tips are counted towards taxation....you think it's ok to tip nada?

Your implications are your own....I just spoke on them.
Dude where she comes from waiters are paid a decent wage and tips are optional, not necessary or required. Your anger and venom is being wasted on the wrong person because she is not doing anything wrong.

[GuildRat]

I'm talking about my own country....

And I'm talking about mine.

Please address any other peaves with Tony Blaire.

[GuildRat]

Dude where she comes from waiters are paid a decent wage and tips are optional, not necessary or required. Your anger and venom is being wasted on the wrong person because she is not doing anything wrong.

Holy freakin hell Batchick!!!....Where the fuck is Stretch from? Vietnam in a round about sense....but the US of A as far as I know.

Sheesh....if the story doesn't apply...keep your crone ass nose out!

[StrayRogue]

I'm talking about my own country....

I was going to say just this.

Thankfully we don't live in a society where the lowest level of employment isn't reliant on the generosity of whom is being served. While nurses over here do not get paid what they deserve (it’s about 17-19k right?), it is rather well above the minimum wage.

Personally I only tip in restaurants when the food is excellent, or a takeaway delivery noob is quick and can speak English.

[StrayRogue]

And I'm talking about mine.

Please address any other peaves with Tony Blaire.

Who is Tony Blaire?

[CrystalTears]

Vietnam? I.. what.. uh... :wtf:

So I guess she's not allowed to state how it's handled in the UK because the US is the only way to do things? You are one of those that give Americans a bad name.

[GuildRat]

I was going to say just this.

Thankfully we don't live in a society where the lowest level of employment isn't reliant on the generosity of whom is being served. While nurses over here do not get paid what they deserve (it’s about 17-19k right?), it is rather well above the minimum wage.

Personally I only tip in restaurants when the food is excellent, or a takeaway delivery noob is quick and can speak English.

See above limey...

[Miss X]

I was going to say just this.

Thankfully we don't live in a society where the lowest level of employment isn't reliant on the generosity of whom is being served. While nurses over here do not get paid what they deserve (it’s about 17-19k right?), it is rather well above the minimum wage.

Personally I only tip in restaurants when the food is excellent, or a takeaway delivery noob is quick and can speak English.

About 20k for a newly qualified nurse, goes up yearly. (So that's like 38K USD or so I think.)

[Artha]

Dumbness knows no nationality.

[GuildRat]

Vietnam? I.. what.. uh... :wtf:

So I guess she's not allowed to state how it's handled in the UK because the US is the only way to do things? You are one of those that give Americans a bad name.

Seeing as how the incident took place in the US....probably VA, why the hell not?

For fuck's sake...are you all idiots?

[StrayRogue]

Yeah, apologies for our own takes on tipping, yank.

[GuildRat]

Yeah, apologies for our own takes on tipping, yank.

Please don't appologize for your own misgivings on our culture.

[Keller]

Seeing as how the incident took place in the US....probably VA, why the hell not?

For fuck's sake...are you all idiots?

Did it ever dawn on you that we're not the idiots?

Just stop while . . . fuck, you've got nothing else to lose. Keep it up!

:popcorn2:

[StrayRogue]

I wasn't apologising for my "issues" with American or tipping culture. I was apologising for your stupidity.

[GuildRat]

Did it ever dawn on you that we're not the idiots?

Just stop while . . . fuck, you've got nothing else to lose. Keep it up!

:popcorn2:

Oh for Pete's sake....you're right...your views on tipping should be utilized 'round the world. Heaven forbid some of us actually think that the tip on a 120 dollar of wine and and enjoyable meal should have been more.

Please move to Alabama....where your IQ will be greatly appreciated, eh?

[GuildRat]

Did it ever dawn on you that we're not the idiots?

Just stop while . . . fuck, you've got nothing else to lose. Keep it up!

:popcorn2:

Oh for Pete's sake....you're right...your views on tipping should be utilized 'round the world. Heaven forbid some of us actually think that the tip on a 120 dollar bottle of wine and and enjoyable meal should have been more.

Please move to Alabama....where your IQ will be greatly appreciated, eh?

[Warriorbird]

...because hating on the South really furthers your argument...

[vontez]

Typically, if you can't afford to tip, DONT EAT OUT!

[GuildRat]

...because hating on the South really furthers your argument...

I don't hate the south....I'm from Georgia...Alabamans are idiots...argue that?

[GuildRat]

I wasn't apologising for my "issues" with American or tipping culture. I was apologising for your stupidity.

Don't appologize for me...it makes you look stupid in the long run.

[Artha]

You should probably just take this one as a loss and stfu for a while to save face.

[GuildRat]

You should probably just take this one as a loss and stfu for a while to save face.

Brave statement from someone without an opinion. Please follow the flock, the cliff is just over yonder.

[Artha]

I'd rather have no opinion than look like a fucking idiot.

edit: Besides, I've already weighed in on this topic, so I'm not really sure what you mean by not having an opinion. Just shut the fuck up already.

[GuildRat]

I'd rather have no opinion than look like a fucking idiot.

Seriously....it's too late for you...I suggest massive suicide with a .40 and a bro to back you up with a shotgun in case you miss.

[Keller]

This is the most entertaining thread since the thread where we discussed the 5-0 opening fire on a Groom-to-be's vehicle.

I wonder if there is a common denominator . . .

[Artha]

Seriously....it's too late for you...I suggest massive suicide with a .40 and a bro to back you up with a shotgun in case you miss.

You're so cool.

By which I mean Dear God, shut the fuck up already.

[Keller]

This is the most entertaining thread since the thread where we discussed the 5-0 opening fire on a Groom-to-be's vehicle.

I wonder if there is a common denominator . . .

Ya you're stupidity

Again, call me fucking Nostradamus.

[GuildRat]

You're so cool.

By which I mean Dear God, shut the fuck up already.

Gee....that's a most ingenious response. You're a real brainer...make sure you tell mom and dad you told someone to shut the fuck up because you were much too stupid to respond with anything that resembled a cognitive thought.

[GuildRat]

Again, call me fucking Nostradamus.

Wha...? I never posted that....I DO think you're an idiot...but c'mon...the common denominator is that you're a 0/0...double ought loser....eesh...gimme some credit here.

[Celephais]

In my official capacity as Player's Corner Spokesman, I confer upon you, GuildRat, the "Most Retarded Poster" award on this the 1st Day of May, 2007.

On behalf of the entire community I want to congratulate you on this hard-earned award. It truly takes a low standard of intellect and reasoning to lock this award up this early in the day. Backlash hasn't even started his stoned posting yet!

hahaha, awesome.


Don't appologize for me...it makes you look stupid in the long run.

GuildRat, find ONE person in this thread that believes that waiters shouldn't be paid a decent wage. You might find a comment or two that implies high end waiters shouldn't get $60 an hour, but you'll find no one saying waiters deserve $3 an hour and no tips.

[GuildRat]

Tell ya what...if Stretch wasn't insecure with his tip, and if the rest of the whiney asses didn't care about what they made in comparison....there'd be no thread here....agreed?

[Celephais]

Tell ya what...if Stretch wasn't insecure with his tip, and if the rest of the whiney asses didn't care about what they made in comparison....there'd be no thread here....agreed?

Nope, you fully missed the point of 90% of the comments. Good job, enjoy your title.

[GuildRat]

Thanks....and have a nice steaming cup of go fuck yourself.

[Alfster]

What I find so funny about this train wreck is...I think GuildRat actually thinks he sounds smart.

Hahahahahahaha

[Keller]

What I find so funny about this train wreck is...I think GuildRat actually thinks he sounds smart.

Hahahahahahaha


That's when it's time to get the :popcorn: and watch the show.

[Stretch]

This was an interesting thread once...

...anyway, to sum up:

(1) Would it have killed three young professionals to leave another $20? No, but we decided at the time that 25% on food and $10 for a thirty second wine opening ceremony was okay.

(2) Henceforth, I've decided I'm going to keep my current tipping habits on food (2x the tax to start while I'm in Virginia, since there's a 6% meal tax on top of the 5% sales tax, goes up and down with quality of service).

(3) I'm just going to start leaving a tip equivalent to the corking fee for the rare circumstance where I order good wine, if they can't bother sending us a sommelier and Joe Waiter gets relegated the task instead.

[GuildRat]

Whoa....5 posts in a 36 page thread...all pretty much explaining how cheap you are....way to put me in my place Alfster. Lemme guess you're from LA? (Lower Alabama)

[Jenisi]

They went to get your wine, brought it to your table and properly served the wine in 30 seconds? Hot damn, that's pretty fucking impressive.

[Alfster]

Whoa....5 posts in a 36 page thread...all pretty much explaining how cheap you are....way to put me in my place Alfster. Lemme guess you're from LA? (Lower Alabama)

Pretty sure I don't need to put you in your place. You've managed to prove your retardation all by yourself.

[GuildRat]

OH MY GOD....you zinged me!!! You absolute god among men!!!

Hey...tell ya what..I think Keller is lonely...you manly men go get together and fuck yourselves, eh?

[Alfster]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahah

[GuildRat]

grin

[Keller]

grin

At least you can laugh at yourself.

[GuildRat]

At least you can laugh at yourself.

Actually..you're really not worth the time...not that'd it'd take much effort to slam you again.

[Keller]

Actually..you're really not worth the time...not that'd it'd take much effort to slam you again.

You've not said one true thing about me yet.

I've said one true thing about you.

Score: Keller 1, GuildRat 0.

[GuildRat]

You've not said one true thing about me yet.

I've said one true thing about you.

Score: Keller 1, GuildRat 0.

OK...you're an asshole...and a dick. Obviously opinions matter to you.


me: 3 (for the opinions mattering) you:1 I win yet?

[Alfster]

What's with all this homo-erotic talk you have going on in your posts?

[Keller]

OK...you're an asshole...and a dick. Obviously opinions matter to you.


me: 3 (for the opinions mattering) you:1 I win yet?

You've already won today's award.

Come back tomorrow if you want to compete again.

[Snapp]

Can we please take all of the back-and-forth bickering out of this thread and keep it on topic?

[GuildRat]

Dude, if calling someone an asshole and/or a dick is homo-erotic....OMFG you're a cunt and a sagging set of titties. Is that better for you...paint a better mental?

Sheesh.

[GuildRat]

You've already won today's award.

Come back tomorrow if you want to compete again.


You fucking rule. Keller the Comeback King. All hail!!!

[GuildRat]

Can we please take all of the back-and-forth bickering out of this thread and keep it on topic?


So delete the damned thing...I think it's about at it's end anyhow.

[Alfster]

Why would he delete your train wreck?

[GuildRat]

Train wreck....hmm, I posted my opinion, you didn't agree...decided to flame. Where's the train wreck at?

BTW, to stay on topic, I still think the original tip was sub-par(Insert, that's my opinion, like it or not, here)

[Ignot]

This thread ended in great fashion.

[AestheticDeath]

The average meal lasts for...maybe an hour? The average tip is...$10-15? (that's being really generous)


And they wait more than one table at a time. Say its 4 tables.. thats $40-60 an hour.

And if you want to argue about the slow times with no customers... just make sure and get a part time job during peak hours.

[Faent]

Your tip was inappropriate. The government assumes the server made at least a 15% tip on that meal. Your server was taxed on money the government assumed you gave him. In general, tipping under 15% when the service is good means you are a worthless piece of trash. You are not *required* *under certain conditions* to tip more than 15% if you order expensive bottles of wine, however.

If you have the money to tip more appropriately (and it is likely you do, if you're wasting it on that restaurant bought wine), you do not fall under those conditions. If you simply chose not to tip for the service you received because you're a stingy jackass, don't go back. You're a jackass, the staff knows it, and they will treat you (somehow) like the jackass you are.

Finally, you could have bought the same bottle of wine for $100 at a liquor store. And you could have spent $200 at a liquor store to purchase a bottle of wine that would have sold for $350 - $400 at the restaurant. The restaurant will likely charge you a corkage fee (usually $10 - $20) for bringing in your own bottle, but seriously, you'll be drinking better wine for less money. If you're going to spend that kind of money on wine, wouldn't a better bottle be more appealing?

[TheEschaton]

Interesting sub-topic:

Got a new tat today, and the place actually accepted credit cards (I've only ever done cash before, yanno, for the one other tat I have). I got the card swiped, and I see the little thing which says the total, and underneath it has the "Tip" line....

...what the fuck? Tipping a tattoo artist? I capitulated and gave 10% because the money was gonna be taxed whereas I suppose cash deals aren't taxed, but still.

Are you supposed to tip tattoo artists? Is there a pissed tattoo artist in Buffalo who was angry when I stiffed him on a tip but paid for the thing in cash? Does the money for a tip go straight to the artist, or is a percentage skimmed off the top for running the establishment.

Discuss.

-TheE-

[Skeeter]

You're supposed to tip your tattoo artist very well. Yes there's a very pissed artist in buffalo I wouldn't go back to if I was you.

[Sean of the Thread]

Always tip your tattoo artist.. especially if you if you plan on coming back.


It's one of the the small exceptions to the "don't tip the owner" rule.

[TheEschaton]

what the fuck? I can't get tatted in my own hometown now?

Geez, I wish they make a manual you read in the shop before you do stupid shit like this. I didn't even think of it in Buffalo since it was an all cash transaction and there was no little line which said "Tip" on it.

-TheE-

[Kainen]

You're supposed to tip your tattoo artist very well. Yes there's a very pissed artist in buffalo I wouldn't go back to if I was you.

Exactly.. unless you want him to "accidently" tattoo a dick somewhere in your new ink. :lol:

[ThatDamnTep]

Yeah, always always always tip your inker. I give my guy Greg at least 40-50 bucks for each session. It varies from shop to shop what the artists receive of the overall charge, but Greg takes half of the fee for the session. I've been in a few places where it was 70/30 or 60/40 with the shop taking the larger cut. If you take care of them they'll always take care of you. Greg does a lot of my ink on his days off and I never ever have to wait for an appointment.

[Methais]

Wow, I had no clue about tipping tattoo artists.

[TheEschaton]

Seriously, thanks for the advice. Since I want to establish a relationship with these guys here in Boston, I'll make sure to overtip on the next time around.

[Daniel]

Tip if they work well, are quick and you are generally pleased with what is going on. otherwise, not so much.

[xtc]

If this was already posted I apologise. It is from the Emily Post Institute.

RESTAURANTS/BARS
Waiter/waitress: 15% of bill (excl. tax) for adequate service; 20% for very good service; no less than 10% for poor service
Headwaiter/captain: often gets a cut of table server's tip; so tip your server extra to reward captain, or tip captain separately
Sommelier, or wine steward: 15% of cost of the bottle
Bartender: 15% to 20% of the tab, with a minimum of 50 cents per soft drink, $1 per alcoholic drink
Coatroom attendant: $1 per coat
Parking valet or garage attendant: $2 to bring your car to you
Washroom attendant: 50 cents to $1


DAILY LIFE
Taxi driver: Varies depending on locality. Assume 15% will be enough; an extra $1 to $2 for help with bags.
Food delivery person:* 10% of the bill (excl. tax), at least $1 for bills up to $10. Should tip 15%-20% for a difficult delivery.
Grocery loader: Check with store policy if tips are accepted. If so, $1 for bringing bags to car; $1.50 to $3 if you have more than 3 bags.
Barber: 15% to 20%, minimum $1, for a haircut. For other services (shampoo, shave or manicure) tip $1 to $2 to service provider.
Hairdresser: 15% to 20%. (It is now acceptable to tip owner, unless he or she says otherwise.)
Shampoo person: $2
Manicurist: 15%
Spa service (e.g., massage): 15% to 20%. If service is provided by owner, no tip.
Staff at coffee/food retailers with tip jars: No tip required. It's completely optional.
Handyman: No tip
Gas attendant: No tip
* Mike Lynn, associate professor of consumer behavior at the Cornell Hotel School suggests tipping pizza delivery folk a minimum of $2 per pizza. His reasoning: Food delivery can be dangerous if delivering to crime-ridden neighborhoods or driving in bad weather, etc. The Web site www.tipthepizzaguy.com suggests the following: 15% for normal service, with a $2 minimum; 20% for excellent service; 10% or less for poor service; at least 10% for orders of $50 or more. Don't assume a delivery charge, if there is one, goes to the pizza deliverer. Ask the person who takes your order.


TRAVEL
Skycap at airport: $1 per bag if you check-in curbside; $2 per bag if skycap takes bags to check-in counter.
Hotel doorman: $1 per bag for help with luggage; $1 per person for hailing a cab
Hotel bellhop: $1 per bag for bringing luggage to your room (but a $2 minimum if you have just one bag)
Hotel housekeeper: $2 to $5* per night
Hotel concierge: $5 for getting you tickets or reservations ($10-plus if they're hard to get). No tip required when you ask for directions.
Cruise: Varies. Ask cruise line about customary gratuities.

[Ignot]

you dont tip the fucking gas attendant but you tip the damn shampoo guy?

[Methais]

Well it's not like the gas attendant is gonna tell you about the big sale at JC Penney like the shampoo guy is.

[Skeeter]

On the same line. I got a massage today, tipped my massuese <sp?> 20 bones.

[Clove]

I don't suppose anyone here owns/manages a restaurant?

I would be interested to know what it actually costs to run one, and how much profit they make by not paying waiters minimum wage. Whether they would go under or something if they had to.

I've never owned a restaurant but I've done books for them; from 5 star to greasy spoons. Their margins are very slim and the industry is very competitive. Because of this owners/managers are ALWAYS looking for ways to control costs and increase turnover. This means most wait and kitchen staff are paid as little as possible (to control costs) and pressured to get diners in and out as quickly as possible (to increase turnover). It can be a really crappy job no matter what class of restaurant you work in- but because of tips, a waitress or waiter CAN make a decent living.