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Gan
04-17-2007, 08:17 AM
WASHINGTON - Congress is keeping Andrews Air Force base plenty busy this year ferrying lawmakers all over the globe at taxpayers’ expense. Rep. Bennie Thompson of Mississippi took his wife, nine Democrats and two Republicans - Reps. Dan Lungren of California and Mike Rogers of Alabama - on a whirlwind tour of the Caribbean last week. After stops in Honduras and Mexico, they stopped in the U.S. Virgin Islands, where the delegation stayed at the five-star Caneel Bay resort.

In a separate trip to the Caribbean last week, Rep. Eliot Engel of New York squired his wife and four Democratic members to Grenada and Trinidad.

All told, the military flew at least 13 congressional delegations to various destinations during the Easter recess -- at an estimated rate of $10,000 or more per flying hour.

The congressional delegation trips, known as CODELs, are paid for by taxpayers. They are supposed to be directly related to members’ official duties, and House guidelines also stipulate that delegations include members of both parties to qualify for military planes -- a requirement that Speaker Nancy Pelosi waived for Engel’s group and two other delegations.

“There was a good faith effort made to include Republican members,” a Pelosi spokesman said. “For one reason or another, that did not work.”

In one instance, he said, a Republican slated for a Democrat-led trip had to cancel because of a “family emergency.”

In their successful campaign to win control of Congress last fall, Democrats accused Republicans of extravagant travel paid for by lobbyists. Some of these trips carried a strong whiff of influence peddling. The worst that can be said of CODELS, and critics often say it, is that they’re junkets.

Thompson’s office said he toured the Caribbean because he now chairs the Homeland Security Committee and wanted to see vacation hot spots to “examine border security and port security.” Three other members of the delegation also brought along their spouses.

“They are going from 7 a.m. to 10 p.m. everyday,” a committee spokeswoman told The Examiner. “They do not have down time.”

At the Caneel Bay resort, where room rates reach $1,100 per night, the spokeswoman said Thompson and his wife paid the “government rate.” But, according to the reservations department, Caneel Bay doesn’t “offer any government rates.”

After Caneel Bay, the group headed to Key West, Fla., for a “classified briefing on inter-jurisdictional agency task forces,” a Thompson spokeswoman said.

The Caribbean trip led by Engel, who is chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on the Western Hemisphere, explored the “best practices for emergency disaster relief” and energy policy, according to his office.

Traveling with Engel and his wife were Reps. Yvette Clarke, D-N.Y., Sheila Jackson-Lee, D-Tex., and Barbara Lee, D-Calif. Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., who went to Belgium in a delegation led by Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., earlier in the week, also joined Engel’s Caribbean trip. She brought her husband with her.

Rep. Jim Oberstar, D-Minn., also led a trip to Belgium over the two-week Easter recess. In February, Sen. Bob Bennett, R-Utah, took a delegation there.

“We’re at war with Iraq and Afghanistan, but apparently our members see Belgium as our most urgent international destination,” scoffed one Republican member of Congress.

Last week, Rep. Tom Lantos, D-Calif., defended Congressional travelers after a trip he took to Syria came under intense White House criticism.

“Members of Congress are not simply potted plants, though the White House apparently would like them to be,” he told reporters after his return. “Congress plays an important role in determining policy and providing funding for America’s international policies.”

Frank’s trip to Belgium and London was related to his work as chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, according to his office. The trip, which also included Rep. Gwen Moore, D-Wis., was designed “to further understand the interrelationship between various issues related to the financial services regulatory structures” of the United States, the United Kingdom and the European Union, according to Frank’s office.

http://www.examiner.com/a-675671~Congressional_junkets_picking_up_steam.html

Ilvane
04-17-2007, 08:54 AM
LOL, I want to see what the Repubs are doing too, not just the Democrats.

Have a source on that, Ganalon?

Angela

Gan
04-17-2007, 09:51 AM
When it hits the liberal media I'll be sure to cite it. ;)

Gan
04-17-2007, 09:52 AM
PS.

I thought the 'new' Congress that was recently elected platformed on responsible spending... How does the excuse "well they did it!!!" fit into that scenario?

Ilvane
04-17-2007, 09:54 AM
That's not what I was saying, I wanted a balanced report.

And many of the trips do seem reasonable to me.

Angela

CrystalTears
04-17-2007, 09:56 AM
They seem reasonable? Do tell.

Tsa`ah
04-17-2007, 10:00 AM
I fail to see how any trip that costs me 10 grand an hour for travel and 1grand a night for lodging is remotely reasonable.

Hell, with that much cooperation between party lines they could have went back to work monday morning and put out emergency funding for the soldiers in combat.

Artha
04-17-2007, 10:10 AM
I'm of the opinion that this guy obviously wanted to kill as many people as possible. Even with a lockdown, he'd have found a way.

Tsa`ah
04-17-2007, 10:17 AM
I'm of the opinion that you're posting in the wrong thread ... or making a Bobesque attempt at humor.

Ilvane
04-17-2007, 10:17 AM
Yep, I do see some of them as reasonable.

Where are they getting the 10,000 amount too? This article seems awfully biased to me. I just want some source information to look at it myself.

Angela

Atlanteax
04-17-2007, 10:28 AM
Forgive Angela, she lives in Mass.

Ilvane
04-17-2007, 10:31 AM
Michael Lowry, a spokesman for Representative Robert Aderholt, said that the Alabama lawmaker will visit Syria as part of a Republican delegation led by Representative Frank Wolf, a Virginia Republican. Wolf is the top Republican on the House appropriations subcommittee that funds the State Department.

So are we screaming about this?

Angela

Tsa`ah
04-17-2007, 10:36 AM
No, we're screaming about vacation getaways disguised as official business.

Ilvane
04-17-2007, 10:41 AM
http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/congtravel/member_by_cost_report.php?limit=100

Here we go, a list of the top trip takers.

Angela

Ilvane
04-17-2007, 10:44 AM
You say the Caribbean doesn't have storms that might need some needs for disaster planning? Okay.

..

Artha
04-17-2007, 10:48 AM
Is the Caribbean part of the US now?

Bobmuhthol
04-17-2007, 10:55 AM
If anyone has a TimesSelect account (fucking ridiculous that they don't just let NY Times subscribers read old articles), there's an article called "Pork Goes to War" that demonstrates some real fucked up Congress spending.

Celephais
04-17-2007, 11:01 AM
http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/congtravel/member_by_cost_report.php?limit=100

Here we go, a list of the top trip takers.

Angela

Looking at the most expensive trips it seems a lot of the house wants to strengthen ties with australia (riiiiight). I enjoyed these ones:



THOMAS, WILLIAM M (http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/congtravel/member_report.php?member=7349) - Republican Party (http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/congtravel/party_report.php)
Sponsor(s): Ripon Educational Fund (http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/congtravel/sponsor_report.php?sponsor=30767)

August 18, 2001 - August 24, 2001
Location(s): Edinburgh, Scotland
Purpose: speech and fact-finding
Notes: Spouse Sharon Thomas accompanied. Other costs are for Edinburgh Military tattoo and tradistional Scottish Athletic Highland Games.
Cost: $23,874.84
(well it was funny before I found out what the Tattoo was)


SNOWE, OLYMPIA J (http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/congtravel/member_report.php?member=7460) - Republican Party (http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/congtravel/party_report.php)
Sponsor(s): American College of Greece (http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/congtravel/sponsor_report.php?sponsor=32359)

June 27, 2002 - July 2, 2002
Location(s): Athens, Greece

Purpose: To receive an honorary degree from the college
Notes:
Cost: $20,083.81




JOHNSON, NANCY L (http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/congtravel/member_report.php?member=7146) - Republican Party (http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/congtravel/party_report.php)
Sponsor(s): Nature Conservancy (http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/congtravel/sponsor_report.php?sponsor=33123)

May 28, 2005 - June 5, 2005
Location(s): Quito, Ecuador - Galapagos Islands
Purpose: To learn about TNC's natural resource and biodiversity conservation work in Ecuador and to discuss with Ecuadorian government officials the effects of illegal immigration in CT
Notes: Hartford, CT - Quito, Ecuador - Galapagos Islands - Quito, Ecuador - Hartford, CT Including spouse
(Yeah... we've got a real problem here in CT with those ecuadorians overrunning us...)

Cost: $17,900.00


Not meaning to just pick on the repubs in this post... personally I'm pretty happy the house members are only spending 20-30k on a trip... I figure they waste a lot more with stupid pork than they do on these trips.

CrystalTears
04-17-2007, 11:08 AM
Not meaning to just pick on the repubs in this post... personally I'm pretty happy the house members are only spending 20-30k on a trip... I figure they waste a lot more with stupid pork than they do on these trips.
Yeah well...



All told, the military flew at least 13 congressional delegations to various destinations during the Easter recess -- at an estimated rate of $10,000 or more per flying hour.

Celephais
04-17-2007, 11:14 AM
Yeah well...

I'm under the impression those estimates of $10k per hour are off... I'm going to trust the site that posted stats on both parties and assume that's a bit more accurate (with no real justification)... and yes that site that posted stats on both showed dems to be a bit more porkish about travel expenses.

Warriorbird
04-17-2007, 01:08 PM
"Is the Caribbean part of the US now?"

We have territories there.

Congress has done stupid spending for a long time, no matter who's controlled it. The Republican Congress was edging on quadruple spending in ten years.

Stanley Burrell
04-17-2007, 02:17 PM
Yeah, you have to be out of your mind to think the Democratic Party somehow spends more on oversea codels than Repubs. I'm sorry, I'm not saying that everything politics is built on a facade of the taxpayers' expense, but to assume that the Democratic minority (and then majority) combined since 2000 somehow spends more than, say, George Wubbleya's drunken sailor spending, on selective not-in-the-continental-United States alone even, is rather absurd.

Then there's the issue of the something-billion dollar daily codel in that whole Mideast Iraqi whatsit region, free of bonbons and mud baths.

CODEL is a funny word, but it doesn't change the well-known fact that www.examiner.com/dc is Pulitzer Prize winning material thought to form the cohesive, worldwide media glue to keep the average citizen informed, all while remaining on par with NYTimes, The London Times and The Washington Post.

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I didn't even really have to read more than the language of http://www.examiner.com/a-677997~Democrats_Must_Figure_Next_Step_on_Iraq.htm l to get a proper sense of why I'd be healthily skeptical about just about anything posted on that site.

Gan
04-17-2007, 02:27 PM
Comparing a minority party's travel agenda/costs to the majority party's travel agenda and costs is not an apples to apples comparison.

Now comparing majority party spending across the board to other historical or future majority party spending, and making up for real dollars in terms of year(s) being compared. Thats more like an apples to apples comparison. This also does not count factors like if the country is at war, excessive natural disasters, etc., unless similar circumstances were also evident in each year(s) compared.

Stanley Burrell
04-17-2007, 02:56 PM
Comparing a minority party's travel agenda/costs to the majority party's travel agenda and costs is not an apples to apples comparison.

No. I definitely wasn't trying to make an apples to apples comparison


Now comparing majority party spending across the board to other historical or future majority party spending, and making up for real dollars in terms of year(s) being compared. Thats more like an apples to apples comparison. This also does not count factors like if the country is at war, excessive natural disasters, etc., unless similar circumstances were also evident in each year(s) compared.

I agree :)

Latrinsorm
04-17-2007, 03:16 PM
Somebody find a thread from 4-5 years ago where the Ilvane and Ganalon were making the exact opposite remarks, plz.

Gan
04-17-2007, 04:11 PM
???

Sean of the Thread
04-17-2007, 04:18 PM
A lot of it may seem ridiculous to us average Joes however on that level it's not totally absurd given the circumstances.

People need to relax.

Latrinsorm
04-17-2007, 07:56 PM
???Person A: "People of <majority party> are doing X!"
Person B: "So are people of <minority party>!!"

Election, switch as results dictate, repeat.

Parkbandit
04-17-2007, 10:14 PM
Somebody find a thread from 4-5 years ago where the Ilvane and Ganalon were making the exact opposite remarks, plz.


Ganalon has the ability to at least see the other side. Ilvane has never demonstrated such a skill.

Back
04-17-2007, 10:15 PM
Ganalon has the ability to at least see the other side. Ilvane has never demonstrated such a skill.

Another perspective is that PB has got it bassackwards.

Parkbandit
04-17-2007, 10:18 PM
Yeah, usually any rebuttal to logic is some kind of personal attack. You know how it goes.


Another perspective is that PB has got it bassackwards.

Ok.. enough proving I'm right already Backlash. My god, I'm starting to feel sorry for you.

Back
04-17-2007, 10:23 PM
Ok.. enough proving I'm right already Backlash. My god, I'm starting to feel sorry for you.

You took that personally?

PWNED!!!!1!!!! ONE !!!1!!

LOLSZORS!!!! !!1 !!!

Gan
04-18-2007, 07:48 AM
Stellar contribution Backlash.

(I thought you only hit the bag on weekends?)

Parkbandit
04-18-2007, 08:01 AM
(I thought you only hit the bag on weekends?)

How hard is it to ask "Do you want fries with that?" with a stone hangover?

He's fine.

Ilvane
04-18-2007, 08:45 AM
I think I can see both sides of an issue, PB, we have actually agreed a time or two in the past month.:P

Angela