Prominent French Scientist Changes Global Warming Position

[Gan]

Allegre's second thoughts

The Deniers -- The National Post's series on scientists who buck the conventional wisdom on climate science


LAWRENCE SOLOMON, Financial Post

Published: Friday, March 02, 2007
Claude Allegre, one of France's leading socialists and among her most celebrated scientists, was among the first to sound the alarm about the dangers of global warming.

"By burning fossil fuels, man increased the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere which, for example, has raised the global mean temperature by half a degree in the last century," Dr. Allegre, a renowned geochemist, wrote 20 years ago in Cles pour la geologie.." Fifteen years ago, Dr. Allegre was among the 1500 prominent scientists who signed "World Scientists' Warning to Humanity," a highly publicized letter stressing that global warming's "potential risks are very great" and demanding a new caring ethic that recognizes the globe's fragility in order to stave off "spirals of environmental decline, poverty, and unrest, leading to social, economic and environmental collapse."

The full Deniers series (http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/environment/story.html?id=c6a32614-f906-4597-993d-f181196a6d71&k=0)
(http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=22003a0d-37cc-4399-8bcc-39cd20bed2f6&k=0)
In the 1980s and early 1990s, when concern about global warming was in its infancy, little was known about the mechanics of how it could occur, or the consequences that could befall us. Since then, governments throughout the western world and bodies such as the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change have commissioned billions of dollars worth of research by thousands of scientists. With a wealth of data now in, Dr. Allegre has recanted his views. To his surprise, the many climate models and studies failed dismally in establishing a man-made cause of catastrophic global warming. Meanwhile, increasing evidence indicates that most of the warming comes of natural phenomena. Dr. Allegre now sees global warming as over-hyped and an environmental concern of second rank.

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http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=2f4cc62e-5b0d-4b59-8705-fc28f14da388
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Interesting, very interesting.

[Skeeter]

Allegre's second thoughts

The Deniers -- The National Post's series on scientists who buck the conventional wisdom on climate science


LAWRENCE SOLOMON, Financial Post

Published: Friday, March 02, 2007
Claude Allegre, one of France's leading socialists and among her most celebrated scientists, was among the first to sound the alarm about the dangers of global warming.

"By burning fossil fuels, man increased the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere which, for example, has raised the global mean temperature by half a degree in the last century," Dr. Allegre, a renowned geochemist, wrote 20 years ago in Cles pour la geologie.." Fifteen years ago, Dr. Allegre was among the 1500 prominent scientists who signed "World Scientists' Warning to Humanity," a highly publicized letter stressing that global warming's "potential risks are very great" and demanding a new caring ethic that recognizes the globe's fragility in order to stave off "spirals of environmental decline, poverty, and unrest, leading to social, economic and environmental collapse."

The full Deniers series (http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/environment/story.html?id=c6a32614-f906-4597-993d-f181196a6d71&k=0)
(http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=22003a0d-37cc-4399-8bcc-39cd20bed2f6&k=0)
In the 1980s and early 1990s, when concern about global warming was in its infancy, little was known about the mechanics of how it could occur, or the consequences that could befall us. Since then, governments throughout the western world and bodies such as the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change have commissioned billions of dollars worth of research by thousands of scientists. With a wealth of data now in, Dr. Allegre has recanted his views. To his surprise, the many climate models and studies failed dismally in establishing a man-made cause of catastrophic global warming. Meanwhile, increasing evidence indicates that most of the warming comes of natural phenomena. Dr. Allegre now sees global warming as over-hyped and an environmental concern of second rank.

...MORE
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=2f4cc62e-5b0d-4b59-8705-fc28f14da388
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Interesting, very interesting.



But but but..Backlash said global warming was an IMMINENT THREAT!

[DeV]

Even more interesting is the fact that he does not officially discount the existance of global warming, only the fact that its causes are of natural phenomena and not man-made. His findings actually do more to quell the naysayers than anything.

He goes on to express concerns attributed to actual problem solving rather than relying solely on theoretical possibilities which contribute to environmental fear mongering.

"The world would be better off, Dr. Allegre believes, if these "denouncers" became less political and more practical, by proposing practical solutions to head off the dangers they see, such as developing technologies to sequester C02. His dream, he says, is to see "ecology become the engine of economic development and not an artificial obstacle that creates fear."

Agreed x2.

[Skeeter]

nobody disagrees that the world doesn't cycle between warmer and cooler temps.

There's just those of us who believe global warming (as a man-caused event) is bullshit.

[Parkbandit]

There are PLENTY of scientists that do not agree with the Global Warming Hysteria. Here, have some links:

http://www.schnittshow.com/globalwarming.html

He's a local talk show guy who leans conservative.. but tends to bash all politicians equally... depending on their opinions. At last glance, there were 86 links to people who don't agree with the global warming 'Crisis'.

[Gan]

I agree with everything you said but below:


Even more interesting is the fact that he does not officially discount the existance of global warming, only the fact that its causes are of natural phenomena and not man-made. His findings actually do more to quell the naysayers than anything.

Of all the naysayers I commune with, dialogue with, debate with, the fact that global warming exists is a given. Its the idea that its man-made and that the earth is on a tipping scale about to lean towards catastrophic destabilization that we disagree, or naysay, about.

Pretty much everything that Gore says in his film, we disagree with in regards to the man-made hysteria.

[Parkbandit]

I 'own' 2,820 tons of carbon offsets I am willing to sell anyone here for the low PC price of $10 a ton. It's simple to figure out what you need.

First, go to http://www.clearwater.org/carboncalculatorv3.xls and download the spreadsheet. You can then simply answer the questions and calculate your carbon footprint (Remember.. cheating = cheating yourself and Mother Earth) From there, you can determine how many tons of carbon you need to purchase from me to remain 'carbon neutral'.

I am also willing to sell the entire lot of 2,820 tons of carbon offset for an amazingly low price of $25,000 (that's an annual savings of $3,200!!!!!!)

I accept paypal, cashier checks and money orders. Act now, before they are gone (Actually, my carbon offsets are renewable every year... since the electrical savings is going to be realized every year until the systems are replaced) I'll more than double these offsets this year, so next year I will be able to offer over 6,000 tons!

[Stretch]

He's French, they probably just threatened to draft his son if he didn't change his mind.

[Back]

And this is one of the few times you will ever hear this crowd defend a Frenchmen. Last time it was a Canadian. Baby steps.

[Sean of the Thread]

And this is one of the few times you will ever hear this crowd defend a Frenchmen. Last time it was a Canadian. Baby steps.

There is no need to "defend" him. He's correct.

[DeV]

Of all the naysayers I commune with, dialogue with, debate with, the fact that global warming exists is a given.
Actually, the naysayers I refer to are those who still have a hard time, for whatever reason, believing that global warming even exists. The debate has shifted and rightfully so. Global-Warming deniers used to say the earth was not warming; only now are they looking to natural causes for why it's warming.

[Sean of the Thread]

I was taught in primary school that the earth warms and cools on a cycle.. I'm not sure where you're finding people that are just now "looking to natural causes" all of the sudden.

[Stanley Burrell]

And this is one of the few times you will ever hear this crowd defend a Frenchmen. Last time it was a Canadian. Baby steps.

One day, we may even defend the ideologies of French Canadians.

Xc****** forgiveness petition?

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Anyway, as long as there are bacteria in the ocean, the planet will achieve a pretty decent CO2 homeostasis.

My problem with global/not global warming has everything to deal with everyone's maw gaping agog at the cypress trees impaled in every trailer of South Florida, yet not actually taking that many steps of pre-emptive housing construction prevention vs. complaining and/or pocket lining.

[DeV]

I was taught in primary school that the earth warms and cools on a cycle.. I'm not sure where you're finding people that are just now "looking to natural causes" all of the sudden.
On the internet for starters. People are still that retarded.

[Parkbandit]

Before you libs stop believing in Global Warming "Crisis", will someone buy my offsets?

[Skeeter]

sell out now. even the loudest sheep are starting to come around.

[sst]

I stopped reading after the word French.
I hate the french.

[Parkbandit]

If I have the choice of buying a V8 truck and a V6 truck.. and decide on the V6... can I sell the difference in in gas mileage as a carbon offset?

[Gan]

Danish scientist: Global warming is a myth

COPENHAGEN, Denmark, March 15 (UPI) -- A Danish scientist said the idea of a "global temperature" and global warming (http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Science/danish_scientist_global_warming_is_a_myth/20070315-012154-7403r/#) is more political than scientific.


University of Copenhagen Professor Bjarne Andresen has analyzed the topic in collaboration with Canadian Professors Christopher Essex from the University of Western Ontario and Ross McKitrick of the University of Guelph.


It is generally assumed the Earth's atmosphere and oceans have grown warmer during the recent 50 years because of an upward trend in the so-called global temperature, which is the result of complex calculations and averaging of air temperature measurements taken around the world.


"It is impossible to talk about a single temperature for something as complicated as the climate of Earth," said Andresen, an expert on thermodynamics. "A temperature can be defined only for a homogeneous system. Furthermore, the climate is not governed by a single temperature.

Rather, differences of temperatures drive the processes and create the storms, sea currents, thunder, etc. which make up the climate".

He says the currently used method of determining the global temperature -- and any conclusion drawn from it -- is more political than scientific.


The argument is presented in the Journal of Non-Equilibrium Thermodynamics.

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Science/danish_scientist_global_warming_is_a_myth/20070315-012154-7403r/

[Parkbandit]

LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES!!!

(I have 2 more years in my current business plan and it counts on gullible Americans to buy into the notion that man has and is causing global warming. Please STFU)

[Gan]

:rofl:

[Warriorbird]

When you try to politicize and make science religious...it becomes ridiculous.

I'm definitely more likely to believe the opposite side of whatever issue Jerry Falwell is supporting.

[Back]

LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES!!!

(I have 2 more years in my current business plan and it counts on gullible Americans to buy into the notion that man has and is causing global warming. Please STFU)

Snake-oil merchant! Caveat emptor!

[Parkbandit]

Snake-oil merchant! Caveat emptor!

Problem I am having is.. I can't find enough liberals that actually have money. Sure they buy into the whole Man r evil and he r causing global warming... but I need suckers with dough.

:(

[Back]

Problem I am having is.. I can't find enough liberals that actually have money. Sure they buy into the whole Man r evil and he r causing global warming... but I need suckers with dough.

:(

If you were serious you would have been on the Global Warming platform from the start.

Anyway, try the upper 2%. They have money to burn.

[Skeeter]

you need to market to celebrities PB. plenty of $$ and plenty of stupid.