Guiliani: one step closer

[Gan]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Rudy Giuliani, the former New York City mayor whose popularity soared after his response to the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, moved closer to a full-fledged campaign for the Republican presidential nomination on Monday.

In a sign that he's serious about running for the White House, the two-term mayor was filing a so-called "statement of candidacy" with the Federal Election Commission, said an official close to Giuliani's campaign.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid pre-empting any disclosure by Giuliani. The former mayor had public appearances in New York scheduled for later in the day.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/05/giuliani.2008.ap/index.html
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I would like to see him run. Of all the conservative candidates, he matches my social/economic agendas the best.

My only concern is that the Republican party will be too nearsighted to accept him. Not that the Republican nod will impact my vote should G-unit decide to run independant...

[Sean of the Thread]

Hilary: one step further.

[Gan]

Amen

[Skeeter]

Friggin Guiliani

[Sean of the Thread]

Forgettaboutit

[Artha]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8

[xtc]

I can't say Giuliani would be my choice for the Repub nomination. People forget that Giuliani was massively unpopular in NYC pre-911.

[Hulkein]

Look at the type of people who live in NYC.

[Methais]

Look at the type of people who live in Arkansas, but Clinton still got elected.

[Hulkein]

Slick Willy.

[Atlanteax]

I can't say Giuliani would be my choice for the Repub nomination. People forget that Giuliani was massively unpopular in NYC pre-911.

Bingo.

He can't ride 9/11 forever.

[Hulkein]

He did a pretty good job at turning around NYC. And he can probably use 9/11 forever. Great leaders show their true colors in the most trying of times.

I like McCain better as of now, though.

[Sean]

Atleast we wont have to listen to too many family first campaigns if he runs.

[Parkbandit]

I feel like there are no real candidates for either party right now :(

[Sean of the Thread]

Agreed.


I think we're shit out of luck either way.

[Hulkein]

What is it about McCain that you don't like?

[Parkbandit]

What is it about McCain that you don't like?

His liberalism?

[Artha]

I think Obama's probably the best Democratic candidate but I don't know if he's electable. I'd vote for him over some of the mugs running against him though.

I can't think of a great Republican candidate who I'd vote for, except anyone from Virginia. Bring back the dynasty!

[Hulkein]

His liberalism?

Want to be a little more specific?

[Latrinsorm]

What kind of pinko commie gets captured? Typical liberal bullcrap.

[Drew]

Want to be a little more specific?


Pro-abortion, big government. Not as liberal as Guiliani who is essentially a middle of the road democrat running for the republican party but McCain is probably the 3rd or 4th least conservative Repub in the Senate right now.

[Hulkein]

He's not pro-abortion and he has always backed bills to reduce government spending, Drew.

[Drew]

He's not pro-abortion and he has always backed bills to reduce government spending, Drew.



I'm sorry you're right, McCain votes to reduce government spending but doesn't generally support tax cuts.


He's also pro gun-control.

[Back]

I would prefer Rudy over McCain at this point. McCain used to be cool but now he has been swayed by the dark side. Like Liberman.

[ElanthianSiren]

I feel like there are no real candidates for either party right now :(

I feel so tainted...

I agree. Repubs could take the general road and nominate the VP. Though Cheney's said he doesn't want it, it'd be amusing at least. Also, don't candidates tend to lose their compromise once they're in office; wasn't Bush known for working well with the democrats in Texas? I wouldn't count out McCain as leaning far right if elected.

-M

[Sean of the Thread]

Who the fuck said anything about Cheney. Amusing? Disaster.

[ElanthianSiren]

Exactly. Why else would I find it amusing?

[Sean of the Thread]

hehe. I'd cry if there is ever another mention about Cheney for pres.

[Latrinsorm]

President Cheney would be terrible.

Supreme Chancellor-for-Life Cheney? Now we're talking. :yes:

[Back]

President Cheney would be terrible.

Supreme Chancellor-for-Life Cheney? Now we're talking. :yes:

I have to give this the QOTW stamp for hilarious irony and Star Wars reference.

[xtc]

I'm sorry you're right, McCain votes to reduce government spending but doesn't generally support tax cuts.


He's also pro gun-control.


This is quite dated it is McCain's policy on Tax cuts from 2000.

http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/John_McCain_Tax_Reform.htm

[CrystalTears]

Considering how often politicians change their stances on things, I'm not going to take much stock with something stated 7 years ago.

[Hulkein]

God I can't believe 2000 was 7 years ago.

[Parkbandit]

God I can't believe 2000 was 7 years ago.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e6/belike53/agore.jpg

[Keller]

No good republicans?

What's wrong with Mitt Romney?

At this point if he gets the nomination, it might be the first republican for whom I've ever voted.

[Artha]

What's wrong with Mitt Romney?
Magic underpants.

[Back]

I actually like Guiliani but I don’t think he’s even viable against someone like McCain or Romney.

[Stanley Burrell]

I can't say Giuliani would be my choice for the Repub nomination. People forget that Giuliani was massively unpopular in NYC pre-911.

He was probably the most competant mayor New York City has had in a long time and was definitely quite popular before and after 9-11.

I think that his gestapo tactics of police pardons and that one time he sent Ladder 52 to do fire inspections on a restaurant in Riverdale I sometimes frequented because the owner didn't agree with his aforementioned policies would be enough for me to agree that I would be kind of okay with him gubernating as mayor and/or governor, but definitely not as an elected White House official.

I don't not give him credit for cleaning up the city economically and pollutant-wise, but when it comes to people, his unilateral defense mechanisms of the NYPD way too closely resemble someone in the White House who I have a big enough problem with.

That and he hates women's rights/Catholic.

[Alfster]

That and he hates women's rights/Catholic.

Doesn't everyone?

[Gan]

So far Guiliani is my vote. I do need to read up more on Romney though. And I'm still not voting for McCain...

[Stanley Burrell]

Doesn't everyone?

In some form or another, yes.

[xtc]

He was probably the most competant mayor New York City has had in a long time and was definitely quite popular before and after 9-11.


Sorry to contradict you Stanley but I don't think he was that popular before 9-11. His divorce was a messy public affair, many columnists called him a fascist, he was unpopular among African American groups in NYC, he barely won his last election 53,000 votes a narrow margin for a NYC mayor. The Mussolini of midtown and the Hitler of Hudson were common names for him.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local&id=4079698

http://dailygotham.com/blog/richard_rothstein/the_9_11_factor_and_the_mayor_of_staten_island_and _queens

[Hulkein]

He sure got the job done.

[Sean of the Thread]

Exactly.

[Gan]

bump...

On the topic of public funding for abortions...



"I'm in the same position now that I was 12 years ago when I ran for mayor -- which is, personally opposed to abortion, don't like it, hate it, would advise that woman to have an adoption rather than abortion, hope to find the money for it," he said. "But it is your choice, an individual right. You get to make that choice, and I don't think society should be putting you in jail."



"Ultimately, it's a constitutional right, and therefore if it's a constitutional right, ultimately, even if you do it on a state by state basis, you have to make sure people are protected," Giuliani said in an interview with CNN's Dana Bash in Florida's capital city.

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/

Finally, someone who gets it. State before religion. Finally...

Rudy pulled in 14m in campaign contributions. A little more than half of the Romney machine, and 1m more than McCain.

I've yet to see anything that really turns me off of voting for Rudy. However, we're still 18+ months out from elections, so lots can happen between now and then.

[Artha]

Rudy'll never win.

[Hulkein]

Rudy'll never win.

Why? He's beating everyone in polls (yes, I know it's far away, but he's still beating Hillary and Obama).

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

That's not to say that he will win, but I think it's solid evidence that it's a bit foolish to say he'll 'never win.'

[Skirmisher]

I think it is interesting that New Yorkers who are most likely far more familiar with Rudy's style of governing generally have a much less favorable view of him than the rest of the country.

I also think it's unfortunate that the rest of the country seems to be completely disinterested in why that is.

[Gan]

I think it is interesting that New Yorkers who are most likely far more familiar with Rudy's style of governing generally have a much less favorable view of him than the rest of the country.

I also think it's unfortunate that the rest of the country seems to be completely disinterested in why that is.

Isnt it that way with any candidate though? Arent the people who are from that area the most familiar with the leadership style of the candidate from that area? I dont think it harms any one candidate, but perhaps all in some way; or perhaps its not the candidate who's being elected based on lesser known leadership tendancies thats the real issue but rather that its the country who has to suffer through those tendancies for a full term because of them being elected with the prevalence of that issue.

[Parkbandit]

I think it is interesting that New Yorkers who are most likely far more familiar with Rudy's style of governing generally have a much less favorable view of him than the rest of the country.

I also think it's unfortunate that the rest of the country seems to be completely disinterested in why that is.

I think it's interesting that New York is a notoriously liberal state. Doesn't surprise me in the least.

Yea.. I was from there.

[Hulkein]

I think it is interesting that New Yorkers who are most likely far more familiar with Rudy's style of governing generally have a much less favorable view of him than the rest of the country.

I also think it's unfortunate that the rest of the country seems to be completely disinterested in why that is.

Most New Yorkers are liberal pussies and they got angry at his technique, which worked brilliantly, for fixing the city.

[Parkbandit]

Offtopic - I am in love with the chick in your avatar Hulkein. Name please?

[Gan]

Offtopic - I am in love with the chick in your avatar Hulkein. Name please?

I already called dibbs like 6 months ago. You can have sloppy seconds though. ;)

[Hulkein]

Haha. She's not famous. She is smokin though.

[Parkbandit]

I would so take seconds on that.

[Stanley Burrell]

Most New Yorkers are liberal pussies and they got angry at his technique, which worked brilliantly, for fixing the city.

I think it should be anyone's personal obligation within the fifty states to liberally pussy whip the everloving shit out of skewed police pardons when the task force excercises 41 shots over par because of a wallet.

+ plungers/Kesset/more plungers/etc.

Then again, we're pasty fuckers, so why worry, right?

[Gan]

I think it should be anyone's personal obligation within the fifty states to liberally pussy whip the everloving shit out of skewed police pardons when the task force excercises 41 shots over par because of a wallet.

+ plungers/Kesset/more plungers/etc.

Then again, we're pasty fuckers, so why worry, right?


That cinches it for me. If Stan's against Guiliani then that means he's the guy for my vote. ;)

[CrystalTears]

That cinches it for me. If Stan's against Guiliani then that means he's the guy for my vote. ;)
QFT :D

[Parkbandit]

Damn... Rudy's never looked better to me.