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11-07-2006, 04:34 PM
I know we have quite a few servicemen and women here on the boards. Was curious about their, and everyone else’s, takes on how each of the magazines of our armed forces (Army Times, Navy Times, Air Force Times and Marine Corps Times) ran this same editorial calling for Rumsfeld’s resignation?

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Time for Rumsfeld to go

"So long as our government requires the backing of an aroused and informed public opinion ... it is necessary to tell the hard bruising truth."

That statement was written by Pulitzer Prize-winning war correspondent Marguerite Higgins more than a half-century ago during the Korean War.

But until recently, the "hard bruising" truth about the Iraq war has been difficult to come by from leaders in Washington. One rosy reassurance after another has been handed down by President Bush, Vice President Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld: "mission accomplished," the insurgency is "in its last throes," and "back off," we know what we're doing, are a few choice examples.

Military leaders generally toed the line, although a few retired generals eventually spoke out from the safety of the sidelines, inciting criticism equally from anti-war types, who thought they should have spoken out while still in uniform, and pro-war foes, who thought the generals should have kept their critiques behind closed doors.

Now, however, a new chorus of criticism is beginning to resonate. Active-duty military leaders are starting to voice misgivings about the war's planning, execution and dimming prospects for success.

Army Gen. John Abizaid, chief of U.S. Central Command, told a Senate Armed Services Committee in September: "I believe that the sectarian violence is probably as bad as I've seen it ... and that if not stopped, it is possible that Iraq could move towards civil war."

Last week, someone leaked to The New York Times a Central Command briefing slide showing an assessment that the civil conflict in Iraq now borders on "critical" and has been sliding toward "chaos" for most of the past year. The strategy in Iraq has been to train an Iraqi army and police force that could gradually take over for U.S. troops in providing for the security of their new government and their nation.

But despite the best efforts of American trainers, the problem of molding a viciously sectarian population into anything resembling a force for national unity has become a losing proposition.


For two years, American sergeants, captains and majors training the Iraqis have told their bosses that Iraqi troops have no sense of national identity, are only in it for the money, don't show up for duty and cannot sustain themselves.

Meanwhile, colonels and generals have asked their bosses for more troops. Service chiefs have asked for more money.

And all along, Rumsfeld has assured us that things are well in hand.

Now, the president says he'll stick with Rumsfeld for the balance of his term in the White House.

This is a mistake.

It is one thing for the majority of Americans to think Rumsfeld has failed. But when the nation's current military leaders start to break publicly with their defense secretary, then it is clear that he is losing control of the institution he ostensibly leads.

These officers have been loyal public promoters of a war policy many privately feared would fail. They have kept their counsel private, adhering to more than two centuries of American tradition of subordination of the military to civilian authority.

And although that tradition, and the officers' deep sense of honor, prevent them from saying this publicly, more and more of them believe it.

Rumsfeld has lost credibility with the uniformed leadership, with the troops, with Congress and with the public at large. His strategy has failed, and his ability to lead is compromised. And although the blame for our failures in Iraq rests with the secretary, it will be the troops who bear its brunt.

This is not about the midterm elections. Regardless of which party wins Nov. 7, the time has come, Mr. President, to face the hard bruising truth:

Donald Rumsfeld must go.

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I’m not in the military and never have been. I do have friends who have served and are serving. I haven’t talked to any of them about this yet... but this to me is a huge deal. Big enough to be a major news story, yet I have not heard much about it.

Even I am surprised at the direct language used towards the CIC and SOD. Whats up?

Skirmisher
11-07-2006, 04:50 PM
I found it much more powerrful until it was pointed out to me that the periodicals in question are not the official papers of those armed services and are in fact owned by i think Gannet.

I think it's still a pretty accurate assessment of the majority of people, just not quite the knockout punch I thought it may have been if it had been an official periodical.

Daniel
11-07-2006, 05:20 PM
The Army times is a pretty well established part of the Army Culture. It's the modern day Stars and Stripes for all intents and purposes.

Back
11-07-2006, 05:22 PM
I found it much more powerrful until it was pointed out to me that the periodicals in question are not the official papers of those armed services and are in fact owned by i think Gannet.

I think it's still a pretty accurate assessment of the majority of people, just not quite the knockout punch I thought it may have been if it had been an official periodical.

Thanks for pointing that out. But I am still curious how our service people felt about this. Is it so much propaganda bombardment on our troops by the media or does it really reflect the feelings in the service today?

Skirmisher
11-07-2006, 08:54 PM
The Army times is a pretty well established part of the Army Culture. It's the modern day Stars and Stripes for all intents and purposes.

Is it? Hrm...very interesting.

So do you think it's a potent voice in the military circles? It has been portrayed as a peripheral periodical by the republican spin doctors so I greatly appreciate your opinion.

GuildRat
11-07-2006, 09:09 PM
The Army times is a pretty well established part of the Army Culture. It's the modern day Stars and Stripes for all intents and purposes.


Cut off scores, that's about all the Army Times is good for. Joe Blow gets promoted to SGT....woot?

Daniel
11-07-2006, 11:36 PM
I don't know about you, but we used it for alot mroe than that in my unit.

Parkbandit
11-08-2006, 09:07 AM
It's an editorial on a paper owned and run by Gannett.

It's not news.. it's someone's opinion that desired to use his voice and platform to try and sway some voters.

Fantastic.

Gan
11-08-2006, 09:09 AM
I don't know about you, but we used it for alot mroe than that in my unit.

Like finding a lot of torn pages near the latrines?

Daniel
11-08-2006, 09:17 AM
Like finding a lot of torn pages near the latrines?

Why would we do that? We essentially have Walmart's at every single operating base and if we can buy an Army Times we can buy some extra plush Charmin.

Gan
11-08-2006, 09:20 AM
Wal-Marts. hmmmm.

Now if you really want to take over Iraq, lets start building some Wal-Mart's on every corner.

Artha
11-08-2006, 12:34 PM
That's a clear violation of the Geneva Conventions good sir.

Atlanteax
11-08-2006, 12:40 PM
Bush should had fired Rumsfield after the 2004 election.

Sean
11-08-2006, 12:53 PM
It doesn't matter now as per CNN's newflash he just resigned.

Ravenstorm
11-08-2006, 12:54 PM
What a great day it is.

Back
11-08-2006, 12:56 PM
It doesn't matter now as per CNN's newflash he just resigned.

Wow, you’re good. Beat me to it. Just got the AP alert.

This day just keeps getting better and better.

Atlanteax
11-08-2006, 12:58 PM
1752 GMT - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld will step down, CNN reported Nov. 8.

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Too bad Bush didn't do this *before* the Election.

It'd probably do the Republican party some good for Bush to demonstrate willingness to admit that the Iraqi campaign was mismanaged, and that he will make the appropriate adjustments (such as firing Rumsfield).

Too little, and obviously too late now.

But at least perhaps the next two years will mark accomodation on Bush's part.

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Speculation... Bush is firing Rumsfield as a quiet "good faith" measure to conservative Democrat leaders ("Blue Dogs") so that he can reasonably rely on them to vote against Pelosi now and then.

Ilvane
11-08-2006, 12:59 PM
Amazing..maybe losing the house and a bunch of governorships has woken Bush from his "Everything is wonderful." slumber.

Angela

Gan
11-08-2006, 01:04 PM
There's several things I wish the Republican party would wake up on. But they are minor on MY list of priority... (stem-cell, abortion, gay-rights) Fiscal responsibility would be the greatest thing I'd like to see.

Ilvane
11-08-2006, 01:05 PM
Yeah, they aren't really conservatives anymore.

;)

Angela