One step closer to voting accuracy.

[Gan]

House bill to require voter ID

By Charles Hurt
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
September 21, 2006


The House yesterday passed legislation that would require voters to show a valid photo identification in federal elections over the overwhelming objections of Democrats who compared the bill to segregation-era measures aimed at disenfranchising Southern blacks.

The Federal Election Integrity Act was approved on a nearly party-line 228-196 vote. Republicans backed the bill 224-3, with three nonvoters; Democrats opposed it 192-4, with five nonvoters. They were joined in opposition by the House's one independent member.

The bill, which faces an uncertain future in the Senate, is part of a Republican effort to complete before the November elections a package of proposals aimed at curbing illegal immigration and its effects on ordinary Americans.

The so-called "Voter ID" bill, aimed at stamping out voter fraud, would require voters in federal elections to provide picture identification by 2008 and provide proof of U.S. citizenship by 2010. It was among the recommendations made last year by the bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform, headed by former President Jimmy Carter, a Democrat, and former Secretary of State James A. Baker III, a Republican.

"Effective voter registration and voter identification are bedrocks of a modern election system," they wrote in their final report.

But Democrats, siding with groups that work on behalf of minorities and illegal aliens, called the bill a "modern-day poll tax" and said it would place an insurmountable burden on voters and infringe upon their voting rights.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060921-123316-5086r.htm
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I dont get how requiring a valid picture ID for voting in an election places a burden on voters, especially minorities (legal citizens).... and :rofl: at the idea of illegal aliens getting pissed off because they cant vote. GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!!!

Go figure, a primary Democrat complaint of voter fraud, a mantra we heard in 2000 and 2004, results in a bi-partisan comission and yet the Democrats still fight the solution.

WTF???

And the Democrats expect this kind of logic to pervail in November as influencing the voters? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Parkbandit]

Because then dead people and pets can no longer vote.

This is just a first step imo. We should have a Nationalized Identification Card for each and every citizen of this country.

[CrystalTears]

I have to show my ID in order to vote in CT. :shrug: I don't know what the big deal is.

lllegal aliens voting?! WTF. Go vote in your own country. Goddamn.

[Gan]

Because then dead people and pets can no longer vote.

This is just a first step imo. We should have a Nationalized Identification Card for each and every citizen of this country.

Definately agreed.

[Wezas]

I have to show my ID as well.

I think that this is a good plan, however I don't think it should be set in stone by 2008.

But, a good step will be taking those people who don't have photo ID who go to vote in 2008 (or 2006) and taking down their information and giving them the documents needed to get an ID card.

Also I think the government should offer those ID cards free. I know they're quite inexpensive at the DMV, but people will be more willing to mail in their information for an ID if they don't have to enclose a check.

[Back]

Seems fine to me. Its still has to go through the Senate yet, and won’t affect anyone until 2008, so its not an attempt to mess with this election. I guess the real concern is state by state.

How much they cost to get and so on... I’d argue that they should be free to whomever provides the documentation to prove who they are. But how do you deal with people who have no records at all for what ever reason? Broken up families, destruction of records in some accident, etc?

[Sean]

I'm cool with the concept of showing my ID to vote even if its a photo ID, whatever. I'm not cool with the idea of a nationalized identification card but I think we've already had that debate a few times. The only flaw I see, in New Jersey anyway, is that not eveyone has a photo drivers licenses if you got your license a long time ago and renewed it via mail you never had to update to a photo license. I don't think people should have to pay (buy a new license) to vote but if the state would be willing to exchange non photo IDs for photo IDs I'm all for it.

[CrystalTears]

But how do you deal with people who have no records at all for what ever reason? Broken up families, destruction of records in some accident, etc?There is always a way to get documentation on who you are. I'm guessing it's nearly impossible to have every record of you destroyed, unless every school you ever attended burned down.

How do people work (legally, that is)? Why do you find the teeniest percentage to worry about?

[Back]

There is always a way to get documentation on who you are. I'm guessing it's nearly impossible to have every record of you destroyed, unless every school you ever attended burned down.

How do people work (legally, that is)? Why do you find the teeniest percentage to worry about?

Compassion? A sense of fairness? The desire to be inclusive? Being a team player?

Basically I would have voted for this if I were in the House but would raise the questions I raised in my post so we could make the issue equitable across all the various lines in American society.

[Stanley Burrell]

My driver's license has a photo of me from about eight years ago and I have been extremely lucky in that all the bouncers in the club and bartenders have not tried to beat me :(

Oh shit. It expires 2012. That is ridiculous.

[Wezas]

Basically I would have voted for this if I were in the House

Fucking Conservative.

[CrystalTears]

Well I guess I'm a conservative bastard when it comes to complete fairness in this country as I don't give a rat's ass if the poor woman who lost all her records and doesn't know who she is, so obviously not working legally, shouldn't really be worried about voting.

[Some Rogue]

What blows me away is you have to have a photo ID in so many other places...how can anyone get by without having one at all?
Hell, I had to show 2 forms of ID just to get a post office box. It's about time they do this for voting.

[Back]

Well I guess I'm a conservative bastard when it comes to complete fairness in this country as I don't give a rat's ass if the poor woman who lost all her records and doesn't know who she is, so obviously not working legally, shouldn't really be worried about voting.

Why the hell are you nit-picking my opinion in this thread even though we both agree with the resolution? Is work that boring today?

[Sean]

What blows me away is you have to have a photo ID in so many other places...how can anyone get by without having one at all?
Hell, I had to show 2 forms of ID just to get a post office box. It's about time they do this for voting.

People like my grandparents who don't travel much or really do much of anything outside of their daily routines, I don't think they should be excluded from voting however. I just think the state should exchange their non photo IDs for photo IDs at no cost to them. I'm all for having to show photo ID to vote though.

[CrystalTears]

I'm not allowed to pick on an opinion you have on the issue when I disagree with it now? You brought it up and that would be my response. And yes, work IS that boring.

[Skeeter]

I've always had to show picture id to vote.

also, we have had national IDs for years. what do you think your SSN is?

[Back]

I'm not allowed to pick on an opinion you have on the issue when I disagree with it now? You brought it up and that would be my response. And yes, work IS that boring.

No. You are no longer allowed to nit-pick my posts unless you submit written authorization in triplicate followed up by a bj and a back-rub. kthanx. :rofl:

[CrystalTears]

I've always had to show picture id to vote.

also, we have had national IDs for years. what do you think your SSN is?
People keep on stating that, but it's not a photo ID. Now if they wish to convert SSN cards into free photo ID's, that would be ideal.

Backlash.... hell hasn't frozen over yet. :tongue:

[Skirmisher]

I have no problem with an ID requirement to vote.

We have a long history of voter fraud in many states and this can only help.

I always thought it was strange that I was not asked for ID when voting.

[Sean of the Thread]

I've always had to show photo ID to vote in Florida.

[Alfster]

I don't vote so i've never had to show my id

[Wezas]

I've always had to show photo ID to vote in Florida.

Florida's got it's own issues.

[Kefka]

Well I guess I'm a conservative bastard when it comes to complete fairness in this country as I don't give a rat's ass if the poor woman who lost all her records and doesn't know who she is, so obviously not working legally, shouldn't really be worried about voting.

So you don't mind voting machines that actually leave paper trails too, right?

[Goldenranger]

This would/will create a good sized shitstorm (and I believe rightly so) among some of our Democratic backbenchers about those who are unable to leave their house, in the military etc. who need to vote absentee. Not to mention Oregon and their vote-by-mail system. Oy. (Though let's be honest the Democrats really want to protect the 92 year old woman who votes a straight D ticket because she remembers FDR than a young soldier who is incredibly likely to vote a straight R ticket.)

[Latrinsorm]

Fucking Conservative.That's a terribly inaccurate way to describe Backlash. Allow me.

FASCIST!!!!!!!!!!!

[CrystalTears]

So you don't mind voting machines that actually leave paper trails too, right?
In this "paperless" age, we actually need the hard copies as proof, unfortunately. I prefer paper trails as no system is perfect.

[Wezas]

I don't vote so i've never had to show my id

You don't vote because you can't vote.

Felon.

[Sean of the Thread]

Florida's got it's own issues.

Old ass liberal transplants that can't read a ballot? Yep.

[Wezas]

Old ass liberal transplants that can't read a ballot? Yep.

http://www.newyorkslime.com/florida-ballot.jpg

I wonder what the outcome would be if democrat was the 1st punch hole and republican was the third. I'm guessing the same amount of retardedness, if not more.

[Artha]

How hard is it to punch the hole the arrow's pointing to?

[ElanthianSiren]

Why not just put the dem as the second? But whatever.

I think photo ID for voting is a good idea, but I agree with what some have already said; constitutionally, no law can be made that constitutes an undue burden on voters, (this includes monetarily), so states better be ready to cough up money for those IDs/national ids/whatever kind of ids they finally get around to deciding on.

-M
edit: I always have to show ID voting in PA.

[Wezas]

The problem is, some people make easy mistakes. They see that Republicans are first on the left and democrats are second. So they punch the second hole.

Would most of us make that mistake? Probably (likely) not. Would the same thing would have happened if it was Dems 1st on the left and Republicans next on the left? I'm willing to bet yes.

(if not more because teh florida conservatives are teh old)

[Stanley Burrell]

This is probably to keep tabs on the Islamic population.

/conspiracy

[Gan]

Speak into the lamp...

[Parkbandit]

Compassion? A sense of fairness? The desire to be inclusive? Being a team player?


Stupidity?

Seriously.. if they don't have any records on who they are.. then what the fuck are they going to do at a bank? At an airport? Applying for a credit card? Cashing a check? Get a voter card to even vote?

If they don't have anything right now, then they can't vote anyway.. so where is your argument?

[Back]

Stupidity?

Seriously.. if they don't have any records on who they are.. then what the fuck are they going to do at a bank? At an airport? Applying for a credit card? Cashing a check? Get a voter card to even vote?

If they don't have anything right now, then they can't vote anyway.. so where is your argument?

That some people have misfortunes fall upon them, thats all. JFC why do you even give a shit.

[Parkbandit]

That some people have misfortunes fall upon them, thats all. JFC why do you even give a shit.


Your logic is so fucked it's amazing you actually continue to post.

Backlash - I'm concerned about people who don't have any records not being able to get a voter ID to vote

Parkbandit - You are retarded, since they would need to show some sort of record to vote in the first place

Backlash - But some people have misfortunes!!

Parkbandit - You are retarded.

[Sean]

I honestly don't get why people are beating on Backlash in this thread except for the fact that they enjoy doing it. He agreed with the principle thought in this thread that photo requirements for voting is good and that he would even vote for it if he was a house member, but that we should also just keep an eye out for the misfortunate and if possible find ways to accomodate them. Whats the big deal?

[Wezas]

While I think it would be rare cases that people would have no documentation to prove their identity, I think documents lost in Katrina would play a part in raising that number.

[Back]

Your logic is so fucked it's amazing you actually continue to post.

Backlash - I'm concerned about people who don't have any records not being able to get a voter ID to vote

Parkbandit - You are retarded, since they would need to show some sort of record to vote in the first place

Backlash - But some people have misfortunes!!

Parkbandit - You are retarded.

???

Weird little world you live in, PB.

I agree with the proposal that having a valid State ID is required to vote. I expressed concern about people not being able to attain State ID’s for whatever reason, low income, lost records, whatever because of this proposal passes the Senate, people will need State IDs to vote.

First CT and now you flip out over some little detail in my post that both of you could give a shit about in the first place.

Move on with your life.

[CrystalTears]

I didn't flip out, I was just pointing out that worrying about people such as that is truly insignificant. You keep saying what do we care. We don't! You're the one who did and had to mention it.

And it's really kinda what drives me a little batty about democrats. Worrying about the little people. People who can't take care of themselves to that degree. That for some reason we have to pick up the slack for those because.. I don't know why. Never could figure that out.

With that said, I was glad to see that most people agreed with it, but the comment gave me pause, much like their desire to help illegal aliens vote. Why, lord, why??

[Sean of the Thread]

(if not more because teh florida conservatives are teh old)

Meh I wouldn't agree as the problem was worst in one area of retarded 90 year old rich liberal Jews.

Lol I will say that all the voting machines (LCD touch screens already at a huge font) have added physical gigantic magnifying glasses attached to a chain on the machine and one old hag democrat still had trouble with the damned thing at the primary.. at least she had a sense of humor when she belted out "I'm a democrat.. you know we can't read these things."