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09-16-2006, 03:42 PM
Interesting little story here. I don’t think I’ve read anything about the Christian Coalition recommending people to vote for Bush. I suppose if that were the case the IRS and the media would be all over them for it.


IRS Investigating Prominent Liberal Church (http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles/_a/irs-investigating-prominent-liberal/n20060916093809990002?cid=2194)

AP


LOS ANGELES (Sept. 16) - The Internal Revenue Service has ordered a prominent liberal church to turn over documents and e-mails it produced during the 2004 election year that contain references to political candidates.

The IRS is investigating whether All Saints Episcopal Church in Pasadena violated the federal tax code when its former rector, Rev. George F. Regas, delivered an anti-war sermon on the eve of the last presidential election .

Tax-exempt organizations are barred from intervening in political campaigns and elections, and the church could lose its tax-exempt status.

Rev. Ed Bacon received a summons Thursday ordering the church to present any politically charged sermons, newsletters and electronic communications by Sept 29.

Bacon was ordered to testify before IRS officials Oct. 11. He said he will inform his roughly 3,500 congregants about the investigation at Sunday's services, and will seek their advice on whether to comply.

"There is a lot at stake here," Bacon said. "If the IRS prevails, it will have a chilling effect on the practice of religion in America."

An IRS spokesperson declined comment on the investigation.

In a sermon two days before the 2004 election, Regas did not urge parishioners to support President Bush or challenger John Kerry but was critical of the Iraq war and Bush's tax cuts, Bacon said in an interview last November when the investigation was announced.

"He explicitly said, 'I am not telling you how to vote.' That is the golden boundary we did not cross," he said.

All Saints has a long history of social activism, dating back to World War II, when its rector spoke out against the internment of Japanese Americans. Regas, who headed the church for 28 years before retiring in 1995, was well-known for opposing the Vietnam War, championing female clergy and supporting gays and lesbians in the church.

The IRS has revoked a church's charitable designation at least once. A church in Binghamton, N.Y., lost its status after running advertisements against Bill Clinton 's candidacy before the 1992 presidential election.

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Gee I hope they don’t sue me for posting this here.

Gan
09-16-2006, 03:48 PM
Seperation of church and state. Its really a good thing, regardless of what my more conservative republican brethern believe.

I liken this behavior to official oppression.

Sean
09-16-2006, 03:57 PM
I couldn't take regular sermons back when I attended church I probably go nuts if i was subjected to a sermon on tax cuts...

Jazuela
09-16-2006, 04:33 PM
Tax-exempt organizations are barred from intervening in political campaigns and elections, and the church could lose its tax-exempt status.

Interesting. I wonder how the Catholic church gets away with it then. Many of their head honchos are heavy into politics and the Knights of Columbus (a non-profit Catholic brotherhood and insurance company) monthly news magazine is filled with lobby activity articles.

Maybe since the KoC isn't an actual religion of its own? But they're sanctioned by the Pope and are an official religious organization...

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09-22-2006, 02:17 PM
Update on the story...

Church to Fight IRS Demand for Documents (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060922/D8KA08SG2.html)

Sep 22, 11:42 AM (ET)

By GILLIAN FLACCUS


PASADENA, Calif. (AP) - A liberal church that has been threatened with the loss of its tax-exempt status over an anti-war sermon delivered just days before the 2004 presidential election said Thursday it will fight an IRS order to turn over documents on the matter.

"We're going to put it in their court and in a court of law so that we can get an adjudication to some very fundamental issue here that we see as an intolerable infringement of rights," Bob Long, senior warden of All Saints Church, told The Associated Press.

He said the church's 26-member vestry voted unanimously to resist IRS demands for documents and an interview with the congregation's rector by the end of the month.

The church's action sets up a high-profile confrontation between the church and the IRS, which now must decide whether to ask for a hearing before a judge, who would then decide on the validity of the agency's demands.

IRS spokesman Terry Lemons would not comment specifically on the dispute but noted in a statement that the agency could take a church to court.

"We recognize the constitutional rights of freedom of speech and religion," Lemons said. "But there is no constitutional right to be exempt from federal taxation."

Religious leaders on the right and left have expressed fear that the dispute could make it more difficult for them to speak out on moral issues such as gay marriage and abortion during the midterm election campaign.

At a news conference Thursday, church officials were flanked by about 40 representatives of mosques, synagogues and other churches.

"We smell intimidation, it smells rotten, and we should not allow any aspect of intimidation to be directed to any member of our great country," said Maher Hathout, senior adviser of the Muslim Public Affairs Council.

Under federal tax law, church officials can legally discuss politics, but to retain tax-exempt status, they cannot endorse candidates or parties.

The dispute at the 3,500-member Episcopal church centers on a sermon titled "If Jesus Debated Senator Kerry and President Bush," delivered by a guest pastor. Though he did not endorse a candidate, he said Jesus would condemn the Iraq war and Bush's doctrine of pre-emptive war.

According to the IRS, the only church ever to be stripped of its tax-exempt status for partisan politicking was a church near Binghamton, N.Y., that ran full-page newspaper ads against President Clinton during the 1992 election season.

ElanthianSiren
09-22-2006, 02:37 PM
If it preserves the separation of church and state, I say strip them and let them be an example. This church isn't the only church participating in this kind of behavior, but I think the IRS choosing not to pursue would be giving a green light to any church that those rules are just lip service.

-M

Tromp
09-22-2006, 03:13 PM
If it preserves the separation of church and state, I say strip them and let them be an example. This church isn't the only church participating in this kind of behavior, but I think the IRS choosing not to pursue would be giving a green light to any church that those rules are just lip service.

-M

They tried this with the Scientivos and look where it got them on that. I think they are still recovering from that beating. :club:

TheEschaton
09-22-2006, 03:25 PM
But there's no violation of separation of Church and State here, the Church is merely opining on the candidates. IF it endorsed a candidate, fine, strip it of its tax exempt status, label it a political entity. It then loses its Church status. The Church should be allowed to say whatever the hell it likes about politics....as long as it doesn't get involved.

It's a case of binding vs. non-binding. Saying the war in Iraq is wrong and that Bush is therefore wrong is a non-binding sort of statement. People in the Church can choose to disagree. If the Church outright endorsed Kerry, that's saying, "We throw our support behind this one candidate, and as a collective whole, we agree he is the best." That is binding. It's an obligation to support Kerry from the collective Church's standpoint, although I suppose individual members can still choose to ignore and vote however they want.

Separation of Church and State, as a doctrine, is meant to prevent the State from meddling in/being involved in Church matters, not vice versa. I think you're being a little strict constructionalist here, ES, if you say there has to be a sharp divide.

-TheE-