Rosie is still retarded

[Parkbandit]

Seriously.. why does a really ugly butch lesbian like her who is borderline funny and entertaining, get onto shows where she only ends up getting in trouble and eventually booed off?

Radical Christianity is as bad as Radical Islam? WTF!?

Her 15 minutes of fame was over quite a while ago.. Barbara "Nutjob" Walters was stupid enough to give her 2 more.

[Nieninque]

Got your prickly knickers on today?

[Some Rogue]

PB is at home watching The View? :rofl:

[DeV]

That show blows.

[ElanthianSiren]

Radical Christianity is as bad as Radical Islam? WTF!?


Radical anything is bad -- unless you think extreme scientologists are cool as they let their children wither away in hospital beds, refusing scientific treatment cuz OMGZ!!! Chronic immune disorders are curable by faith in god!!!!111one

Radical, by definition, is benchmarked by out-there ideals. A better argument for you to make is that there are no radical Christian sects, whereas I'll laugh at you, call you a moron, and offer you some kool-aid.

-M

[Latrinsorm]

I don't think it's correct to say that anything taken to an extreme is bad. Taking non-violent resistance to an extreme worked out pretty well.

As for radicalism, radical just means really different. Jesus Christ was a member of a radical group. If we're just saying a bunch of current groups that happen to be radical are bad, ok, but that should really be specified rather than flatly stating "radical = bad".

I second the :lol: @ PB watching the view, and move for a :lol: @ "prickly knickers".

[ElanthianSiren]

I don't think it's correct to say that anything taken to an extreme is bad. Taking non-violent resistance to an extreme worked out pretty well.

As for radicalism, radical just means really different. Jesus Christ was a member of a radical group. If we're just saying a bunch of current groups that happen to be radical are bad, ok, but that should really be specified rather than flatly stating "radical = bad".

I second the :lol: @ PB watching the view, and move for a :lol: @ "prickly knickers".

You can argue taking non-violence to an extreme is bad. For instance, if you have to defend yourself and refuse to.

You make a good point that radical is contextual, based on the current views of society x.

-M

[Stanley Burrell]

I can't find it on CNN.

All they have now is stuff about some vampire who killed a bunch of Canadian college students, or something...

Why would you even care if you're so swift to dismiss her lesbonics, as is? Whatev'.

[Sean of the Thread]

PB is at home watching The View? :rofl:

Rofl that was the first thing to come to mind for me as well.

[Skeeter]

Radical anything is bad -- unless you think extreme scientologists are cool as they let their children wither away in hospital beds, refusing scientific treatment cuz OMGZ!!! Chronic immune disorders are curable by faith in god!!!!111one-M

This is actually Christian Scientists you're referring to, which is different from Scientologists.

Carry on.

[Eoghain]

Radical anything is bad -- unless you think extreme scientologists are cool as they let their children wither away in hospital beds, refusing scientific treatment cuz OMGZ!!! Chronic immune disorders are curable by faith in god!!!!111one



I dated a scientologist for a while, and they use western medicine like everyone else does (with a marked avesion to psych meds). I think you mean Christian Scientists, who frequently refuse to seek medical treatment because Jesus Christ, Scientist, is supposed to heal them through their faith. They do a lot of laying on of hands and such.

Just a thought.

[ElanthianSiren]

This is actually Christian Scientists you're referring to, which is different from Scientologists.

Carry on.

Yep. I always get them confused ftl.

-M

[Wezas]

I assume Phelps and his crew be considered Radical Christians?

[Skeeter]

no. I'd call them psycho nut jobs

[Sean of the Thread]

Phelps and crew are quite simply BY THEIR OWN declarion "faggot haters."


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[Parkbandit]

A better argument for me is if you actually said that there are no radical Christian sects, whereas I could finally laugh at you, call you a moron, and offer you some kool-aid. But you didn't, so I'll just laugh at myself.

-M

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[Parkbandit]

PB is at home watching The View? :rofl:


You would have to pay me to watch that trash.. I heard it on the news.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

You would have to pay me to watch that trash.. I heard it on the news.

Tons of people beyond just Rosie have said and agree that Radical Islam is not the only Radical religion out there. I'd say the KKK is pretty bad, and that's a Radical Christian Group.

Sure, one kills Americans and the other targets non-Whites, but both use scripture to back up their claims and both are relatively small sects compared to the greater majority of those practicing the religion who reject the ideology (most Christians are not KKK members, and most Muslims are not Jihadists). And it boils down that both of them perpetuate hate and both of them kill innocent people.

[Skirmisher]

no. I'd call them psycho nut jobs

The thing is, I would venture that the more run of the mill follower of Islam would judge the 9/11 bombers and other terrorists similarly.

In other words, I tend to agree, radical religion of any kind is a dangerous thing.

And just fess up PB we all know you are a huge View fan.

[Sean of the Thread]

Sure, one kills Americans and the other targets non-Whites,

UHM... check yourself bitch.. they don't just kill Americans.

[Sean of the Thread]

And just fess up PB we all know you are a huge View fan.

No he called me crying when Star Jones was ousted.. he swears he hasn't watched it since.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

UHM... check yourself bitch.. they don't just kill Americans.

We really didn't give a shit about jihadists until 9/11. The public was not losing any sleep over Osama Bin Laden before the attacks. Sure it was a problem, but from the point of view of an American with American interests, it REALLY became a problem when we were pulled in.

[Gan]

Tons of people beyond just Rosie have said and agree that Radical Islam is not the only Radical religion out there. I'd say the KKK is pretty bad, and that's a Radical Christian Group.

Sure, one kills Americans and the other targets non-Whites, but both use scripture to back up their claims and both are relatively small sects compared to the greater majority of those practicing the religion who reject the ideology (most Christians are not KKK members, and most Muslims are not Jihadists). And it boils down that both of them perpetuate hate and both of them kill innocent people.


Only that Christian ministers denounced the KKK and supported local and federal government efforts to hold the KKK criminals accountable with capture/arrest, prosecution, and conviction/punishment. I never heard of an account where a radical christian 'cleric' was known to be the person behind actual beheadings, to the point of actually doing it himself.

I'm no fan of OR, and yet I can still see the difference at this point in the comparison.

So in other words, its just typical bullshit once again issuing forth out of Rosie's mouth in order to get more media attention. How much do you want to bet she translates radical christianism into the persecution of her own homosexual lifestyle... Everything with Rosie has an angle on it. It would not suprise me if she even aspired to get into politics someday.

[CrystalTears]

Celebrities really need to STFU when it comes to politics.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

Only that Christian ministers denounced the KKK and supported local and federal government efforts to hold the KKK criminals accountable with capture/arrest, prosecution, and conviction/punishment. I never heard of an account where a radical christian 'cleric' was known to be the person behind actual beheadings, to the point of actually doing it himself.

I'm no fan of OR, and yet I can still see the difference at this point in the comparison.

So in other words, its just typical bullshit once again issuing forth out of Rosie's mouth in order to get more media attention. How much do you want to bet she translates radical christianism into the persecution of her own homosexual lifestyle... Everything with Rosie has an angle on it. It would not suprise me if she even aspired to get into politics someday.


You can bet that in it's hayday the KKK did have Church Officials in it's membership that helped/watched lynchings and what not. Did they ever come out about it and openly admit to it? No. They didn't, but there's an explanation for that-- there was simply no safe place to take refuge in to hide against the persecution that would have been smacked down on them for their crimes. Islam is far wider spread and Radical Islam has managed to gain political power, giving the Radical Muslims far more power than Radical Christians had or have.

The same goes with the size diffrence in who practices Islam and who practices Christianity. There are more Muslims than Christians on the Earth, therefore if you directly compare the number of Radical Muslims to the Radical Christians, there WILL be more Radical Muslims. If you compare the ratios however, I'm sure the story is different and it's a far more even number.

Christians do denounce the KKK, as many, many muslims have denounced Radical Islam. There's no "difference" in that, both sects are tiny in comparison to the full number of people who practice the "mainstream" religion. Islam is actually perhaps one of the most peaceful and hopeful of the Biblical religion and many who practice do for that reason, and take offense at the violence done in it's name.

In this sense, I agree, there is a difference and they are not entirely equal. But I don't think it's correct to say that they're totally unrelated and to equate the two in any sense is retarded.

[Tolwynn]

The same goes with the size diffrence in who practices Islam and who practices Christianity. There are more Muslims than Christians on the Earth...

Actually, no. Try the other way around, as in around 2 billion Christians to 1.3 billion or so Muslims.

So you've got a smaller amount of people causing a much more disproportionate amount of trouble than you would suggest.

There's a matter of scale, too, as far as comparing the KKK and jihadists. The last I'd heard, the KKK wasn't attacking people on 6 continents, nor have they mass-murdered thousands in a single attack, nor have they caused billions of dollars in damage. They're still scum, sure, but they're pretty peewee compared to radical Islamic terrorists and their supporters.

[Sean of the Thread]

it REALLY became a problem when we were pulled in.


It really became a problem when your daddy didn't pull out.

[Latrinsorm]

I assume Phelps and his crew be considered Radical Christians?People who aren't Christians can't logically be Y or Z type of Christians. However, I would accept that the Phelps organization is considered to be a Radical Christian group.

It surprises me that "radical" has become a pejorative term, given that the people I see using it as such in this thread are Americans, heir to a long history of radicalism.

[TheEschaton]

Dr. King called us all to be extremists for love, and constantly pointed out that Jesus was a radical (I'd also add that he was a bearded liberal socialist, but y'all already know that. ;) ).

Christians are called to be radical. In the past, this involved forcing people to convert, by threat of death, suppressing opposing religions, and forcing compliance...all able to be carried out because they had, as someone mentioned before, political power.

Radical Islamic thought follows the same pattern. Religion, by its nature, and the scientific world we live in, calls us to be radical and take leaps of faith. Radical Islam has consolidated power, and sets an agenda of persecution of minority groups it doesn't like, like women.

It all depends on the radicalness you support. I don't think anyone would object to MLK's "extremist for love" concept, and wouldn't complain if "Radical Islam" involved hugging everyone and saying "I wubs j00!!!"

-TheE-

[Ilvane]

I don't like radical Christians either. That group with Phelps for example, or those radicals that bomb family planning centers, or those who discriminate against gays, or say they can't marry because marriage is sanctified. I mean, come on..if marriage was so sacred, why do we have so many divorces????

Angela

[ElanthianSiren]

-Or the protestant-based People's Church, based out of Indiana and/or California, directly responsible for the death of +900 followers. Organized religion in the hands of homocidal maniacs is always dangerous, but that doesn't mean you paint everyone/every leader in that religion with that brush. I believe that's why the woman in question used the word radical.

I'm not even sure if it's possible to get an accurate number of violent extremists on any side, as even Phelps won't say how many belong to his "church".

-M

[Warriorbird]

Christian Identity played a part in the Oklahoma City bombing. The IRA and the Orangemen are theoretically Christian groups.

But...if we want to get historical...Christianity has quite literally smoked most of the other religions in death tolls.

[Skirmisher]

Yes, Radical Christian groups can be just as freaky as any other.

That doesn't mean Rosie has any standing to be taken as a credible expert on social matters and entertainers in general should shut up and entertain but she happened to be right on this one point.

[Daniel]

Actually, no. Try the other way around, as in around 2 billion Christians to 1.3 billion or so Muslims.

So you've got a smaller amount of people causing a much more disproportionate amount of trouble than you would suggest.

There's a matter of scale, too, as far as comparing the KKK and jihadists. The last I'd heard, the KKK wasn't attacking people on 6 continents, nor have they mass-murdered thousands in a single attack, nor have they caused billions of dollars in damage. They're still scum, sure, but they're pretty peewee compared to radical Islamic terrorists and their supporters.

You can bet your ass that if they had the means to do so in the Hey day that they would have.

It astounds me that anyone would EVER defend the KKK.

[Daniel]

Christian Identity played a part in the Oklahoma City bombing. The IRA and the Orangemen are theoretically Christian groups.

But...if we want to get historical...Christianity has quite literally smoked most of the other religions in death tolls.

And what he said.

[Latrinsorm]

It astounds me that anyone would EVER defend the KKK.Who killed more people, the KKK or Stalin? If you say Stalin, does that make you a defender of the KKK? If not, why is Tolwynn?

[Liberi Fatali]

You can bet your ass that if they had the means to do so in the Hey day that they would have.

It astounds me that anyone would EVER defend the KKK.

I've defended them before, admittedly. The last few Summers I've worked at a factory to help pay for school. I worked a lot with this really charming man. One day, out of the blue, he decided to show me his tattoo displaying a hooded figure standing in front of a burning cross (on his forearm). He told me he was a member of the Church of the American Knights of the Klu Klux Klan. Having not known this prior and admiring the fellow, I did not treat him any differently after he revealed this to me.

...Besides, NBF was one of the founders! Any brilliant Civil War general immediately earns my defense! (<3 Jessa).

Edited to add: ADVANCE THE FLAG OF DIXIE, HURRAH, HURRAH!

[Satira]

KKK?

::FLEES FOR HER LIFE::

[Bobmuhthol]

<<It astounds me that anyone would EVER defend the KKK.>>

A former president of the United States honored them at the White House.

But wateva.

[Artha]

You should watch The Birth of a Nation.

[Daniel]

<<It astounds me that anyone would EVER defend the KKK.>>

A former president of the United States honored them at the White House.

But wateva.


Oh no shit? Hey... I heard something else cool...

Apparently, black people were enslaved in America back in the day.

CRAZY I KNOW.

[DeV]

You should watch The Birth of a Nation.Pro slavery, kkk and racism, ftmfw.

On a serious note, I've watched it, twice due to me falling asleep half-way through my initial viewing. The movie is unbearably long, for starters. While the acting is laughable and exaggerated, the message and historical references are not. Interesting film to say the least.

[Artha]

I only saw the last 15 or so minutes (from the black people besieging the house till the end), I was really amused in a 'Holy shit, this is on TV?' way.

[Back]

We really didn't give a shit about jihadists until 9/11. The public was not losing any sleep over Osama Bin Laden before the attacks. Sure it was a problem, but from the point of view of an American with American interests, it REALLY became a problem when we were pulled in.

Eh, we were on them back in the 90's. At one point an attempt was made, but got little recognition because some people were yelling bloody murder over a blow job which consequently took all of our attention away from the real issue. Sort of a reverse wag the dog.

[Syan]

I don't like radical Christians either. That group with Phelps for example, or those radicals that bomb family planning centers, or those who discriminate against gays, or say they can't marry because marriage is sanctified. I mean, come on..if marriage was so sacred, why do we have so many divorces????

Angela

well, to be fair...just because people believe the institution should be considered sacred between a man and a woman doesn't mean everyone in the entire world is going to act that way.

Besides, humans are...human. Make bad decissions, do stupid things, have forgiveness issues and sometimes can't forget. Divorce is sad, but that's human error - not an error in the institution.

[Syan]

Radical anything is bad -- unless you think extreme scientologists are cool as they let their children wither away in hospital beds, refusing scientific treatment cuz OMGZ!!! Chronic immune disorders are curable by faith in god!!!!111one

-M

Actually, radical scientology would be described as couch-jumping on Oprah, getting engaged to Katie Holmes in like two weeks and creating a mysterious child with a head that doubles as a Swiffer Sweeper..

[Gan]

I'd jump on the couch too if I were jumping on Katie every night. mmmmhmmmmm.

[Parkbandit]

Eh, we were on them back in the 90's. At one point an attempt was made, but got little recognition because some people were yelling bloody murder over a blow job which consequently took all of our attention away from the real issue. Sort of a reverse wag the dog.

Holy shit.. you should work for the Clinton machine with that spin. That's fantastic.

"well, I would have taken out Osama Bin Laden, but those damn Republicans were making such a big deal out of my lying under oath that it forced me to stop"

[Gan]

Apologists come in all shapes and sizes. :lol:

Even in jokster models.

[sst]

You cant forget to add that a current democratic member of congress <cough> Bird <cough> has ties to the KKK

[Syan]

I'd jump on the couch too if I were jumping on Katie every night. mmmmhmmmmm.

she looks like a chiuaua.

[Back]

You cant forget to add that a current democratic member of congress <cough> Bird <cough> has ties to the KKK

Who? Could not find that name in the Congressional record.

[HarmNone]

He probably means Robert Byrd of West Virginia.

[Ravenstorm]

Who's stated many times he regrets his prior involvement of years ago and repudiates the Klan.

Washington Post article on it. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/18/AR2005061801105.html)

[Back]

Well, hell, if the name was spelled correctly I could have found that out myself.

[Gan]

Well, hell, if the name was spelled correctly I could have found that out myself.

I'm suprised that the others found it at all by that logic.

[Gan]

she looks like a chiuaua.

not really.


Grrrrrrrr baby, GRRRRRRR!

[Parkbandit]

Who's stated many times he regrets his prior involvement of years ago and repudiates the Klan.

Washington Post article on it. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/18/AR2005061801105.html)


Yea.. I buy it too.

'I used to hate black people so much that I joined a group that specializes in terrorizing them.. but now I don't.'

He's a racist... but hey, keep electing him.

[Warriorbird]

:smirks: Playing a finger pointing game with racism as a conservative is...funny.

[Parkbandit]

:smirks: Playing a finger pointing game with racism as a conservative is...funny.

I know.. Bush hates black people and that is the only reason he made Katrina hit New Orleans. My gosh, I should never have even questioned Byrd's former affiliations.. because he is a Democrat and they love and protect the black race.

My bad.

[Warriorbird]

I'd say indifference would be a far more accurate claim. I was thinking more of the whole very non racist immigration boondoggle. The only Bush I'd flat out call racist over Katrina is dear old Barbara.