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Gan
09-06-2006, 04:39 PM
Are you kidding me???

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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The 9/11 terrorist attack on America which left almost 3,000 people dead was an "inside job", according to a group of leading academics.

Around 75 top professors and leading scientists believe the attacks were puppeteered by war mongers in the White House to justify the invasion and the occupation of oil-rich Arab countries.

The claims have caused outrage and anger in the US which marks the fifth anniversary of the terrorist attacks on Monday.

But leading scientists say the facts of their investigations cannot be ignored and say they have evidence that points to one of the biggest conspiracies ever perpetrated.

Professor Steven Jones, who lectures in physics at the Brigham Young University in Utah, says the official version of events is the biggest and most evil cover up in history.

He has joined the 9/11 Scholars for Truth whose membership includes up to 75 leading scientists and experts from universities across the US.
Prof Jones said: "We don't believe that 19 hijackers and a few others in a cave in Afghanistan pulled this off acting alone.

"We challenge this official conspiracy theory and, by God, we're going to get to the bottom of this."

In essays and journals, the scientists are giving credence to many of the conspiracy theories that have circulated on the internet in the past five years.

They believe a group of US neo-conservatives called the Project for a New American Century, set on US world dominance, orchestrated the 9/11 attacks as an excuse to hit Iraq, Afghanistan and later Iran.

The group says scientific evidence over the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon is conclusive proof.

Professor Jones said it was impossible for the twin towers to have collapsed in the way they did from the collision of two aeroplanes.
He maintains jet fuel does not burn at temperatures high enough to melt steel beams and claims horizontal puffs of smoke seen during the collapse of the towers are indicative of controlled explosions used to bring down the towers.

The group also maintains World Trade Centre 7 - a neighbouring building which caught fire and collapsed later in the day - was only partially damaged but had to be destroyed because it housed a clandestine CIA station.

Professor James Fetzer, 65, a retired philosopher of science at the University of Minnesota, said: "The evidence is so overwhelming, but most Americans don't have time to take a look at this."

The 9/11 Commission dismissed the numerous conspiracy theories after its exhaustive investigation into the terror attacks.

Subsequent examinations of the towers' structure have sought to prove they were significantly weakened by the impact which tore off fire retardant materials and led the steel beams bending under heat and then collapsing.

Christopher Pyle, professor of constitutional law at Mt Holyoake College in Massachusetts, has dismissed the academic group.

He said: "To plant bombs in three buildings with enough bomb materials and wiring? It's too huge a project and would require far too many people to keep it a secret afterwards.

"After every major crisis, like the assassinations of JFK or Martin Luther King, we've had conspiracy theorists who come up with plausible scenarios for gullible people. It's a waste of time."

But University of Wisconsin assistant professor, Kevin Barrett, said experts are unwilling to believe theories which don't fit into their belief systems.
He said: "People will disregard evidence it if causes their faith to be shattered. I think we were all shocked. And then, when the voice of authority told us what happened, we just believed it."

As the fifth anniversary approached, the 9/11 Scholars for Truth is urging Congress to reopen the investigation claiming they have amassed a wealth of scientific evidence to prove their version of the terror attacks.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=403757&in_page_id=1770

ElanthianSiren
09-06-2006, 04:47 PM
Doubtful IMO. It's hard to say exactly how hot the fire could have burned, I imagine because other things ignited that were housed in the trade towers. Interesting, nonetheless.

-M

radamanthys
09-06-2006, 04:52 PM
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radamanthys
09-06-2006, 04:53 PM
Breathe... breathe... breathe.

humor:
The vast right-wing conspiracy strikes again!

ElanthianSiren
09-06-2006, 05:10 PM
Knew you were in on it. Bet you paid some Dem felons to haul the explosives down on their backs with some blast-armored monkeys to collect and retrieve the evidence.

Gan
09-06-2006, 05:15 PM
Speak into the lamp when you say that plz.

TheEschaton
09-06-2006, 05:52 PM
Professor James Fetzer, 65, a retired philosopher of science at the University of Minnesota, said: "The evidence is so overwhelming, but most Americans don't have time to take a look at this."

What the hell is a philosopher of science?

And the article is right. I don't want to believe that people would be that evil. My entire world view would collapse, and I'm already pretty fucking skeptical as it is (especially of PNAC).

-TheE-

Danical
09-06-2006, 06:03 PM
What the hell is a philosopher of science?

Haven't taken many philosophy classes? It's currently up there with phil of language as the leading realm of current philosophy.

Philosophers of science were tasked with that whole ID debacle of yesteryear.

Gan
09-06-2006, 06:04 PM
They bridge the gap between the intangible and the tangible. Kind of like the Vatican.

RichardCranium
09-06-2006, 06:10 PM
HA HA HA CELEXEI WAS RIGHT!

Warriorbird
09-06-2006, 06:32 PM
:smirks: Me, I don't give the project quite that much credit. I'd bet they were dancing in the streets when 9/11 happened though.

Back
09-06-2006, 06:41 PM
This has officially become the “Kennedy Assassination”*conspiracy of our time. Warren Commission = 9/11 Commission.

Hulkein
09-06-2006, 08:10 PM
This has officially become the “Kennedy Assassination”*conspiracy of our time. Warren Commission = 9/11 Commission.

It's not close to that size of a controversy.

Gan
09-06-2006, 08:12 PM
By a longshot it hasnt.

I think Oliver Stone might want to weigh in though. I'll have to get back with you on that.

:lol:

Daniel
09-06-2006, 08:34 PM
I'd like to see a list of these professors.

Gan
09-06-2006, 09:16 PM
I'd like to see a list of these professors.

Here you go. Its a big list too.

http://www.st911.org/

Parkbandit
09-07-2006, 07:53 AM
Doubtful IMO. It's hard to say exactly how hot the fire could have burned, I imagine because other things ignited that were housed in the trade towers. Interesting, nonetheless.

-M

Interesting... if you like making fun of retards.

Sad is more like it.

Stanley Burrell
09-07-2006, 11:45 AM
Breathe... breathe... breathe.

This is one of (if not the only) thing that can be preached in a conversation that will actually cause me to have a hint of aggression.

I guess... Holocaust denial and factual racism, if it is also done by parties with a physical show of IQ also quite irks me.

DeV
09-07-2006, 11:54 AM
Tell me at least one of those professors is a Republican. :(

Atlanteax
09-07-2006, 12:18 PM
Tell me at least one of those professors is a Republican. :(

Republicans are not known for being Idealists.

DeV
09-07-2006, 12:40 PM
Except when it comes to religion. Gotcha.

Atlanteax
09-07-2006, 12:58 PM
Fortunately, the more pragmatic Moderate Republicans outnumber the naive religious zealots... but obviously that is not how it seems in the Media.

Gan
09-07-2006, 01:02 PM
Nor in Florida, for the moment...

Sean of the Thread
09-07-2006, 01:11 PM
Nor in Florida, for the moment...

1 leather face zealot republican in Florida outnumbers the rest of GOP in office or running for office across the state?

Gan
09-07-2006, 01:31 PM
No, just in Florida.

Gan
09-08-2006, 02:15 PM
Update:

BYU Professor on Paid Leave for 9-11 Theory
September 8th, 2006 @ 6:59am


Gene Kennedy Reporting

A controversy over words at BYU this morning. A professor is on paid leave for suggesting the government is responsible for the destruction of the World Trade Center.

The man on paid leave is Dr. Steven Jones. He's a physics professor involved in the so-called "9-11 Truth Movement."

Jones believes unnamed government agencies orchestrated the fall of the twin towers and he says there's evidence to back it up.

Two weeks ago he published his theory in a paper called "Why Indeed did the World Trade Center Buildings Collapse?" In it, the professor says the towers fell not because of planes hitting them but rather pre-positioned demolition charges.

He cites research conducted at BYU on materials from ground zero, asserting those materials show evidence of thermite, a compound used in military detonations. He says terrorists could have never set those charges.

The State Department has released a rebuttal to Jones' theory in a 10-thousand page report.

BYU made this statement last night.
"Physics Professor Steven Jones has made numerous statements about the collapse of the World Trade Center. BYU has repeatedly said that it does not endorse assertions made by individual faculty.

"We are, however, concerned about the increasingly speculative and accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones."

The university added, "BYU remains concerned that Dr. Jones' works on this topic has not been published in appropriate scientific venues."

It is rare for some in Dr. Jones' position to be under review because he has taught at BYU for more than two decades.

He began his career at the university in 1985 and has been known for his cold fusion research. Other professors will teach his classes while he's on paid leave.

He will be allowed to conduct research in his field but the university is reviewing his actions.
(The Deseret Morning News Contributed to this Report.)

Artha
09-08-2006, 11:18 PM
The State Department has released a rebuttal to Jones' theory in a 10-thousand page report.
Owned.

TheEschaton
09-09-2006, 09:47 AM
Not that I believe Jones in any way, shape, or form, but it's standard for the gov't to release so many pages to "refute" something, or "prove" something, that no one ever reads them, and everyone assumes the goal of refutation or proving, respectively, is done, on good faith of the gov't.

I mean, that's how the Patriot Act got passed.

-TheE-