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Ben

07-27-2006, 10:47 AM

I find something retarded about shirtless losers sitting in their underwear laughing online about how stupid Bush is. i'm pretty sure he doesnt live off ramen so that makes him smarter than you!!

Mighty Nikkisaurus

07-27-2006, 10:51 AM

I came here thinking this would be a place to post jokes about how stupid Bush is.

I am sorely disappointed.

So, just to console myself, I will make a Bush Stupidity Joke.

"Bush the younger has two things going for him that his father never had. One: an easy charm with regular people and two: the power to make them disappear without a trial." —Bill Maher

<3

Skirmisher

07-27-2006, 10:56 AM

Ben, your logic as always is unassailable.

Wezas

07-27-2006, 10:57 AM

Wait, Ben is a Republican?

who'da thunk it

Ben

07-27-2006, 11:11 AM

Wait, Ben is a Republican?

who'da thunk it

I'm a bleeding heart liberal.

Wezas

07-27-2006, 11:21 AM

I'm a bleeding heart liberal.

None of the above statement is true. Including the fact that you have a heart.

Latrinsorm

07-27-2006, 06:27 PM

Yo' Bush so stupid, when he get elected to two consecutive terms as the chief executive of the United States, he get eLECTED to two consecutive terms as the chief executive of the United States!!!

Ignot

07-27-2006, 08:13 PM

Strategery

Olanan

07-27-2006, 08:55 PM

I never really payed attention to politics, but why does everyone h8 on Shrub?

I just never really understood it.

TheEschaton

07-28-2006, 07:39 AM

Maybe cause the plant he's named after exhibits more common sense, use of logic, and intelligence than he does on any given day?

-TheE-

Mighty Nikkisaurus

07-28-2006, 12:43 PM

I never really payed attention to politics, but why does everyone h8 on Shrub?

I just never really understood it.

The obvious solution to this problem is to start paying attention to politics. This comment is sort of like saying..

"I never watched basketball, but what's with everyone thinking Michael Jordan was a good player?"

Not saying everyone hates Bush.. but if you watch more news/C-SPAN and read more stuff on the internet you'll at least hear why some people hate him, whether or not you agree.

Sean of the Thread

07-28-2006, 01:09 PM

What is the difference between a liberal and a puppy?

A puppy stops whining after it grows up.

DeV

07-28-2006, 01:10 PM

but why does everyone h8 on Shrub?
He's the master of low expectations.

Skirmisher

07-28-2006, 01:45 PM

I never really payed attention to politics, but why does everyone h8 on Shrub?

I just never really understood it.

I apologize if this comes across as overly harsh, but I find it hard to believe that there exists someone who has absoltely no idea why there are such strong opinions either for or against Bush as President.

Are you really saying that this is the case and you dont at all understand the current situation? That you have missed the news for the last five + years?

Sean of the Thread

07-28-2006, 03:04 PM

I apologize if this comes across as overly harsh, but I find it hard to believe that there exists someone who has absoltely no idea why there are such strong opinions either for or against Bush as President.

Are you really saying that this is the case and you dont at all understand the current situation? That you have missed the news for the last five + years?

I think you havn't though for yourself and cater to the libby news too much.

Olanan

07-28-2006, 08:29 PM

I apologize if this comes across as overly harsh, but I find it hard to believe that there exists someone who has absoltely no idea why there are such strong opinions either for or against Bush as President.

Are you really saying that this is the case and you dont at all understand the current situation? That you have missed the news for the last five + years?

I know the broad things of what he's doing in Iraq, but..yeah. I don't usually watch the news.

The whole Iraq things seems a bit stupid. Shouldn't that have over a while ago? Just curious who hates him for what.

Back

07-28-2006, 08:46 PM

The whole Iraq things seems a bit stupid.

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:VcTaQDsOFo6hBM:www.jalife.net/up/files/orly-ostrich.jpg

Mighty Nikkisaurus

07-28-2006, 09:06 PM

I know the broad things of what he's doing in Iraq, but..yeah. I don't usually watch the news.

The whole Iraq things seems a bit stupid. Shouldn't that have over a while ago? Just curious who hates him for what.

The Iraq war was what made me really dislike him, actually. I wanted Gore in.. he did a personal favor for a family friend and got the insurance company affecting everyone working at the newspaper to finally pay up. After two years we could finally afford to get new glasses, see a dentist, and my mother FINALLY got stomach surgery. It wasn't highly publicized but a bunch of us got personal calls from him, talking to us about healthcare in Washington state and hearing our horror stories about the company. Even if it was a big publicity stunt or whatever, it meant a lot and had Bush done it instead, we likely would have voted for him!

Anyway. I wasn't happy with Bush winning but after 9-11 I was willing to stand behind our President. I was hopeful when we went into Afghanistan that we'd hunt down Bin Laden and the Taliban. Then, a few months later.. suddenly there's all this talk about Iraq. I was like wtf? Iraq? They said that Hussein aided terrorists, and Al Qaeda. I knew better, and now the world is learning to know better. Hussein would have never aided a religious Jihadist group, because he would want all the power for himself, and the glory to himself-- not to another religious leader, or to Allah. Hussein's regime was a lot of things but it was not known for being very religious.

I know that WMD's are a threat, but from the beginning the whole war in Iraq has smacked of War mongering. Pair that with all of the other things that've been done, in the name of fighting terrorism (The Patriot Act, for instance) and all of the secretive stuff and lying, as well as things like the CIA leak and what not, and this entire administration reeks of corruption. There's too many things I've heard about and learned about watching C-SPAN and CNN and Fox and everything, to just let it go.

I think Bush is very likable-- so I try to refrain from personal attacks on him. I'd like him to be my neighbor, or to be a family friend. But he makes a terrible leader.. I'm not even sure if half of this stuff is his doing, or is just Cheney (I dislike Cheney on a personal level, he seems like a total scumbag) pupeteering. Even if it is, I don't want someone so easy to manipulate to hold office. Those are my reasons for disliking Bush... people are entitled to disagree but arguing with me isn't going to change my opinion, just as me arguing with others won't change theirs.

Chelle

07-28-2006, 09:34 PM

Because we all KNOW that Bush is teh uber evaaal antichrist and all other politicians are flawless saints. /sarcasm

Really, it doesn't matter. People love to trash the President no matter who he is or what he does. In all of history that's the way it's always been.

TheEschaton

07-29-2006, 11:20 AM

The difference being - there's genuine, demonstrable things to trash this President about.

As opposed to, say, lying about a blow job.

-TheE-

Sean of the Thread

07-29-2006, 11:44 AM

As opposed to, say, lying about a blow job.

-TheE-

Don't forget rape.

Latrinsorm

07-29-2006, 12:08 PM

Don't get me started on that dickhead Ford. :grr:

Warriorbird

07-29-2006, 12:25 PM

The accusations of rape against both Bush and Clinton are about equally valid...as in only a wacko would believe them. As Latrin says, however, the same isn't true regarding other past Presidents.

Drew

07-29-2006, 02:21 PM

Well here's a Bush joke.

Donald Rumsfeld is giving the president his daily briefing. He concludes by saying: "Yesterday, 3 Brazilian soldiers were killed."

"OH NO!" the President exclaims. "That's terrible!"

Finally, the President looks up and asks, "How many is a brazillion?"

ElanthianSiren

07-30-2006, 11:52 AM

Why I Don't like Bush (Or his Administration)
by M

Abstinence Only (Glorified Ignorance)
Mission Accomplished!
Record Deficit
Shiavo
Plamegate
Katrina
Recession
Anti-Cure/Anti-Tolerance
NSA Spying
WMDs?
Osama?
Patriot Attackt
CIA Tapping
Downing Street Memos
Pre-Emptive Imperialism
^
| Abortion Rate
|

W H E R E 'S Y O U R S T I C K E R N O W?

Outsourcing Torture
Stagflation
N. Korea
Closing Gitmo?
Plan B?
Lobbyists
Iran
"Intel'jent DeSwine"
Body Armor?
Wealthcare
More Children Left Behind
Heckuva Job, Dubya!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/TragicTangent/1.jpg

Or rather, things I painted on the back of the shirt.

Parkbandit

07-30-2006, 12:50 PM

The difference being - there's genuine, demonstrable things to trash this President about.

As opposed to, say, lying about a blow job.

-TheE-

You should give Backlash his rose colored glasses.

radamanthys

07-30-2006, 12:56 PM

Pretty eyes. Is that you?

ElanthianSiren

07-30-2006, 10:06 PM

Pretty eyes. Is that you?

Thanks! Yeah, that's me.

On topic, the most evil Bush joke I heard was due to a family tradition. We sort of play April Fools around our birthdays. A few weeks before my last one, my dad told me that Bush was resigning.

-M

Sean of the Thread

07-30-2006, 11:00 PM

I like my Siren pic better.. mmm nice eyes.

Hulkein

07-30-2006, 11:03 PM

ElanthianSiren

07-31-2006, 12:11 AM

Such as?

-M

Hulkein

07-31-2006, 12:17 AM

Shiavo - Petty
Plamegate - Was he even to blame for this?
Katrina - BLAME BUSH!!!
Recession - He inhereted a recession.
Anti-Cure/Anti-Tolerance - More like anti-destroy life to save it. He has funded plenty of science that doesn't destroy embryo's. Just re-read this one, and I'm assuming you mean embryonic stem cells, but it could be something else so if it is, clarify it I guess.
NSA Spying - I realize this is a huge thing to you, but that's just the ignorance of not caring about the country being protected.
WMDs? - Yeah, he sure is to blame for all the intel from other countries along with the CIA!
Osama? - Is in a cave doing nothing in the middle of no where.
Patriot Attackt - Same as NSA Spying.
CIA Tapping - Same as NSA Spying.
Downing Street Memos - Weren't these nothing more than speculation?
Pre-Emptive Imperialism - Catchy, but goes back to the intel of WMDs.
^
| Abortion Rate - Not really sure what this is.
|

W H E R E 'S Y O U R S T I C K E R N O W? - Same as above.

Outsourcing Torture - Petty.
Stagflation - ? The economy hasn't been stagnate.....
N. Korea - Definitely Bush's fault, since the other leaders in the world are making so much progress with Kim Jong Il.
Iran - Same as above.

That's enough.

ElanthianSiren

07-31-2006, 12:49 AM

Shiavo - Petty
Plamegate - Was he even to blame for this?
Katrina - BLAME BUSH!!!
Recession - He inhereted a recession.
Anti-Cure/Anti-Tolerance - More like anti-destroy life to save it. He has funded plenty of science that doesn't destroy embryo's.
NSA Spying - I realize this is a huge thing to you, but that's just the ignorance of not caring about the country being protected.
WMDs? - Yeah, he sure is to blame for all the intel from other countries along with the CIA!
Osama? - Is in a cave doing nothing in the middle of no where.
Patriot Attackt - Same as NSA Spying.
CIA Tapping - Same as NSA Spying.
Downing Street Memos - Weren't these nothing more than speculation?
Pre-Emptive Imperialism - Catchy, but goes back to the intel of WMDs.
^
| Abortion Rate - Not really sure what this is.
|

W H E R E 'S Y O U R S T I C K E R N O W? - Same as above.

Outsourcing Torture - Petty.
Stagflation - ?
N. Korea - Definitely Bush's fault, since the other leaders in the world are making so much progress with Kim Jong Il.

That's enough.

So you're saying you have a problem with facts? I didn't give my opinions on most issues, just listed issues in the present government, which you seem to have picked up on as being negative. Note also, in my first post, I included (and his administration), which includes the entire administration.

Also, please refrain from telling me what I think or believe and why, as you're quite off base. The U UNPATRIOTIC argument is so old that it harkens back to WW2 and probably before, so just skip it with me. I recognize it's crap.

I find it amusing that you seem so upset by actual issues and past things that have occurred and are documented (such as NSA spying, CIA tapping, the problem with Verizon, outsourcing torture). Apparently, federal judges don't share your fragile view of truth as they're allowing lawsuit proceedings after arguments from the administration to try to have them stopped on many of these issues.

I suppose though that mentioning factual things makes those things petty in your opinion. Let's all sit around and sing kumbya with our heads in the sand.

On the other hand, you could make a shirt listing the accomplishments of the Bush administration if you like.

-M

Hulkein

07-31-2006, 01:11 AM

So you're saying you have a problem with facts? I didn't give my opinions on most issues, just listed issues in the present government, which you seem to have picked up on as being negative.

Picked up on as being negative? THEY ARE ON A SHIRT OF SOMEONE WHO I KNOW DISLIKES THE PRESIDENT.......

Also, what does the lettering next to his face say?

Also, please refrain from telling me what I think or believe and why, as you're quite off base. The U UNPATRIOTIC argument is so old that it harkens back to WW2 and probably before, so just skip it with me. I recognize it's crap.

No where did I say you're unpatriotic, you're just naive and ignorant when it comes to what needs to be done to protect the country from a new enemy.

I find it amusing that you seem so upset by actual issues and past things that have occurred and are documented (such as NSA spying, CIA tapping, the problem with Verizon, outsourcing torture)

I'm a little upset with you being upset, I just know you're wrong.

Drew

07-31-2006, 01:15 AM

Also, what does the lettering next to his face say?

not our president

I think.

Hulkein

07-31-2006, 01:19 AM

not our president

I think.

HOW PRESUMPTIOUS OF ME TO JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION THAT SHE BELIEVES THE ISSUES LISTED ON THE BACK ARE BUSH'S FAULT, I MUST HAVE A GUILTY A CONSCIENCE!!!

Drew

07-31-2006, 01:21 AM

HOW PRESUMPTIOUS OF ME TO JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION THAT SHE BELIEVES THE ISSUES LISTED ON THE BACK ARE BUSH'S FAULT, I MUST HAVE A GUILTY A CONSCIENCE!!!

Yeah I thought that was a pretty weak attempt of the 'ol, "You must feel bad about it to take it that way!"
...
In a thread about Bush stupidity.
...
With a list of only supposed scandals.
...
And a shirt claiming that he's not your President.

ElanthianSiren

07-31-2006, 02:53 AM

Picked up on as being negative? THEY ARE ON A SHIRT OF SOMEONE WHO I KNOW DISLIKES THE PRESIDENT.......

No where did I say you're unpatriotic, you're just naive and ignorant when it comes to what needs to be done to protect the country from a new enemy.

I'm a little upset with you being upset, I just know you're wrong.

Now this is silly. I didn't make the shirt to wear it for you. -Nor did I make it with the idea of the PC in mind at all, in fact. I'm sure average people viewing what I painted have a fairly non-existent idea of my personal views (I'm not arrogant enough to think I'm quite that important). Furthermore, the issues listed on the shirt are just that, issues. They're not OMGZ Bush and Congress R EVIL! I still find it funny though that you came to that conclusion for yourself, especially when I noted administration for you in the first post. I can't say that pinning the broad failures of this administration on Bush sounds right to me, though he is a figurehead for his government, so if you want to think that way, I won't argue.

I'm sure people have said that in every war. It's also a lame old tried and false line. I think I heard it uttered during McCarthyism and the Red Scare. Do you have a third one? Here's one: he who would trade freedom for security deserves neither. I can start name calling if you like, but I'm refraining because it really adds nothing to your argument. Illustrate, then we can talk and discuss your views on me personally, but for now, they don't apply to even the back of my shirt.

I don't understand your last quote, as I'm not at all upset. In fact, I find your entire reaction pretty laughable, as noted.

-M

Hulkein

07-31-2006, 10:09 AM

I find your shirt laughable. You took the time to not only buy that stupid shirt, but then paint stuff on the back of it. That's what is amusing.

HarmNone

07-31-2006, 10:28 AM

Heh. I found the shirt creative, myself. The message is personal to the individual. It certainly doesn't negate the effort and creativity that went into making the shirt speak for the wearer.

DeV

07-31-2006, 11:10 AM

Kefka

07-31-2006, 11:20 AM

Gan

07-31-2006, 11:35 AM

Stanley Burrell

07-31-2006, 12:02 PM

Bush stupidity jokes

GWB is president.

Hulkein

07-31-2006, 02:54 PM

M's looking good in that shirt. That's all that really matters.

p.s. On the other hand, you could make a shirt listing the accomplishments of the Bush administration if you like.

^True. It's a fucking shirt for crying out loud, lol.

Yes, it's a shirt, my mistake for replying to it in a thread where she posted it and took the time to talk about it!

And no, I won't make a shirt, I'm not that obsessed with it all.

Mighty Nikkisaurus

07-31-2006, 02:57 PM

Yes, it's a shirt, my mistake for replying to it in a thread where she posted it and took the time to talk about it!

And no, I won't make a shirt, I'm not that obsessed with it all.

I have a shirt that says, "I'm not sure who "Terra" is but all I know is we're at war with her!"

DeV

07-31-2006, 03:05 PM

Yes, it's a shirt, my mistake for replying to it lol, k.

Gan

07-31-2006, 03:33 PM

No pics of the back of teh shirt???

I want to see what all the fuss is about.

CrystalTears

07-31-2006, 03:59 PM

Gan

07-31-2006, 04:05 PM

I can read. Not sure where you're coming from CT.

I just wanted to see the actual back of the shirt. As if it really existed.

Thats all.

CrystalTears

07-31-2006, 04:08 PM

I was referring to the fuss, since we know what it says. But yeah, curiousity to see it all on a shirt would be interesting I guess.

Stanley Burrell

07-31-2006, 04:10 PM

Ganalon, lern2reed. :D

Personally I think people who make shirts/bumperstickers/buttons for/against something is pretty funny on general principle. But hey, if that's what creams your twinkie, have at it. Just know that some of us think it's funny for spending that kind of time on it. :shrug:

I haven't spent any time or cash on the aforementioned, but I have obtained a Bush Laden, #1 Terrorist T-shirt because of the fact that someone gave it to someone who gave it to me, and I really, really needed a shirt to wear at the time.

One time, it was in the wash next to the wife of this police officer who was doing her laundry in the basement and she gave me this really bitchy Connecticut look.

...So I SLAPPED THE HO :lolwave:

.

JKz on the ho-slappin', but not on shirtage. Alright.

Stanley Burrell.

TheEschaton

07-31-2006, 04:26 PM

I have a black shirt which says on the front of it some quote from Bush saying (I think) "Whoever isn't with us, is with the enemy."

And on the back in about 5 bajillion size font it says ENEMY.

But I didn't make it though.

I was thinking of somehow making a t-shirt with the front like this:

According to George W. Bush, terrorists are:

Middle Eastern

Religious Radicals

Bearded

Then have a picture of Jesus on the back. Still trying to work on how it would work out though.

-TheE-

CrystalTears

07-31-2006, 04:27 PM

WTF is a bitchy Connecticut look?! :(

Gan

07-31-2006, 04:36 PM

WTF is a bitchy Connecticut look?! :(

I'm thinking something of a half sneer, scowling, pinched face look. Like she's squeezing a 5 lb. petrified turd out of her ass.

I bet she walked off like she had done that too.

:lol:

Back

07-31-2006, 04:56 PM

Personally I think people who make shirts/bumperstickers/buttons for/against something is pretty funny on general principle. But hey, if that's what creams your twinkie, have at it. Just know that some of us think it's funny for spending that kind of time on it. :shrug:

I’m trying to conceive of what kind of world it would be like if no-one made a t-shirt for/against something...

Stanley Burrell

07-31-2006, 05:16 PM

WTF is a bitchy Connecticut look?!

I'm thinking something of a half sneer, scowling, pinched face look. Like she's squeezing a 5 lb. petrified turd out of her ass.

I bet she walked off like she had done that too.

:lol:

This... Is kind of related to squeazing out large articles of heavy, non-water soluble minerals through the confines of one's sphincter.

I'm going to use the example of a large slab of hematite:

http://www.weinmanmuseum.org/Pictures/For%20Mineral%20Page/Hematite%2001%20-%20Gray.jpg

Passing through an extremely tiny body cavity:

http://www.gihealth.com/images/imgNormalColon.gif

Very possibly belonging to the face of this disgruntled librarian (who is actually smiling in this JPEG):

http://bestworst.blogspot.com/angry1.jpg

.

In turn, this results in that which is revered as "The Connecticut Bitchy Look."

...

Man, I have, like, way too much free time, here. Jeebus. Sorry, guys :-\

DeV

07-31-2006, 05:18 PM

Middle Eastern

Religious Radicals

Bearded

Then have a picture of Jesus on the back. Still trying to work on how it would work out though.

-TheE-That's clever as hell <-- (sorry God).

Skirmisher

07-31-2006, 05:19 PM

I find the ones that Say "Had enough? Vote Democrat." funny.

Simple, but it makes me chuckle. :)

Mighty Nikkisaurus

07-31-2006, 05:27 PM

WTF is a bitchy Connecticut look?! :(

Come and visit me so I can introduce you to my boyfriend's mother.

Then, say something non-Politically correct. (Dead baby jokes would probably be perfect for this, though less extreme things work too, i.e. "Yeah, my Uncle has AIDS" whether it's true or not).

Witness the Bitchy Connecticut Look.

OR..

Go to a party in Connecticut with young 20-somethings who are living at rich parent's beach mansion.

Wait for topic of gas prices to come up, and wait for them to complain.

State to no one in particular that anyone who voted for Bush deserves the ass-screwing they're receiving at the gas pump.

Witness the Bitchy Connecticut Look.

Sean of the Thread

07-31-2006, 05:39 PM

According to George W. Bush, terrorists are:

Middle Eastern

Religious Radicals

Bearded

Then have a picture of Jesus on the back. Still trying to work on how it would work out though.

-TheE-

Oh so that's his definition? Blame the Jews!

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b236/Japgross/terrorist.jpg

TheEschaton

07-31-2006, 05:55 PM

that's why its funny, Xyelin. ;)

-TheE-

Sean of the Thread

07-31-2006, 06:13 PM

If you say so.

Skirmisher

07-31-2006, 06:24 PM

Oh so that's his definition? Blame the Jews!

Bush taking foreign policy advice from Mel Gibson now. :yes:

Hulkein

07-31-2006, 08:18 PM

Go to a party in Connecticut with young 20-somethings who are living at rich parent's beach mansion.

Wait for topic of gas prices to come up, and wait for them to complain.

State to no one in particular that anyone who voted for Bush deserves the ass-screwing they're receiving at the gas pump.

Witness the Bitchy Connecticut Look.

That doesn't make any sense though, that's probably why you'd get the look.

The prices would be the same if Kerry was in office.

Sean of the Thread

07-31-2006, 08:40 PM

Bush taking foreign policy advice from Mel Gibson now. :yes:

Heheh.. see that's funny. Lame Bush terrorist definition with anti-semitic undertones.. not funny.

ElanthianSiren

07-31-2006, 08:59 PM

I can read. Not sure where you're coming from CT.

I just wanted to see the actual back of the shirt. As if it really existed.

Thats all.

You know me enough to know that I don't pull punches or lie. Admit, you just wanted to see more pictures of me :) :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/TragicTangent/2.jpg

-M
edit: another favorite Bush joke. "I'm the Decider" pretty much the whole thing (it's a parody of a Beatle's song called "The Walrus")

TheEschaton

07-31-2006, 09:45 PM

I think we all secretly want to see more pictures of you. ;)

And your t-shirts, of course.

-TheE-

Gan

07-31-2006, 10:06 PM

You know me enough to know that I don't pull punches or lie. Admit, you just wanted to see more pictures of me :) :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/TragicTangent/2.jpg

-M
edit: another favorite Bush joke. "I'm the Decider" pretty much the whole thing (it's a parody of a Beatle's song called "The Walrus")

We'll your partially correct. I also wanted to confirm that you were wearing a Fat Wreck Chords Tshirt. Pictures from your camera would never harm my eyes either. Even if you are a little more left leaning than I am.

Latrinsorm

07-31-2006, 10:12 PM

he who would trade freedom for security deserves neither.Of course, he who would not trade freedom for security can only obtain security through mass genocide or a few terroristic murders. I may disagree with Hobbes about a lot, but that state of nature thing seems pretty reasonable.
M's looking good in that shirt.We can all agree with that!

Skirmisher

07-31-2006, 11:27 PM

Admit, you just wanted to see more pictures of me :)

She's onto us! :yes:

Sean of the Thread

08-01-2006, 12:09 AM

shower.jpg

Sean of the Thread

08-01-2006, 12:45 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq-hT8r0sj4

Mighty Nikkisaurus

08-01-2006, 01:51 AM

That doesn't make any sense though, that's probably why you'd get the look.

The prices would be the same if Kerry was in office.

Even though I disagree, I'll digress--

These people voted for Bush because mommy and daddy voted for Bush. Because Mommy and Daddy have big companies that got BIG tax breaks from Bush. It's a fact, like it or not. I could have said, "George W. Bush is an idiot" and I would have gotten the Bitchy Connecticut Look. Say anything less than PC and/or positive about any current things going on to Upper Class Connecticut people and recieve the Bitchy Connecticut Look.

Sean of the Thread

08-01-2006, 08:12 AM

Even though I disagree, I'll digress--

These people voted for Bush because mommy and daddy voted for Bush. Because Mommy and Daddy have big companies that got BIG tax breaks from Bush. It's a fact, like it or not. I could have said, "George W. Bush is an idiot" and I would have gotten the Bitchy Connecticut Look. Say anything less than PC and/or positive about any current things going on to Upper Class Connecticut people and recieve the Bitchy Connecticut Look.

Ever thought of becoming an election strategist?

CrystalTears

08-01-2006, 08:22 AM

Gan

08-01-2006, 08:53 AM

I thought Stanley's pictoral oration was rather magical myself.

ElanthianSiren

08-01-2006, 12:32 PM

Even though I disagree, I'll digress--

These people voted for Bush because mommy and daddy voted for Bush. Because Mommy and Daddy have big companies that got BIG tax breaks from Bush.

I disagree and think you're oversimplifying.

There simply aren't enough of the top tier big company owners for this to be true. Common people voted for Bush due to Rove's "common man" approach (ie Bush isn't the brightest bulb in the fixtures -- seen when he speaks (I feel this is intentional), he's a "rancher" by image, Nascar etc).

When explaining complicated ideas, it's always easier to just use a three word slogan or a short sentence/idea that people can related it to. It's here that progressives tend to run into trouble, as they tend to overexplain and lose people (see length of this post), while conservatives tend to relate issues to what's already know (stem cell research = abortion for instance). Another example -- Bush's plan for the middle east from the last presidential debate. All he said was "We HAVE a plan". -Simple, might be full of shit, but people bought it.

Finally, IMO it's brilliant to dumb a politician down to get him to relate to people because even when he makes a stupid statement like "the problem with this country is people have too many freedoms" "My job would be so much easier if I was a dictator" people laugh and just go "that crazy Bush! What a silly!"

Also, many people fail to realize that politics is about money, not values, in general. Whichever party is in power (and yes, Dems do have their "sacred cows" too) will try to appease their base in the most minimalistic way possible while pumping money into their pet projects. Many people voted on "values" last election and because many of their churches told them to (the IRS is currently investigating this and has pulled a few from tax exemption lists and are threatening others). The thing about values, in my opinion, is that they are generally a scare tactic. The dems will claim something like republicans want to outlaw abortion for grown, rational women, while republicans will claim that dems want to see mandatory abortions. From either party, it's just politiking and terrorizing people into voting for one side over another. Very little changes, and both sides know little will change because things like Roe V. Wade are considered established by precident. The thing I look for is what isn't settled (en loco parentus for underage abortions for instance).

Further, with regard to the last election, no incumbent has ever been knocked out during war time. I'd say Bush only getting 51% of the vote, while a win and better than his last public turn out, was pretty significant and displays just how partisan the current political climate has become.

I agree that parental affiliation probably plays a role in voting, but anything and everything has been cited as a factor in voting: sex, sexual preference, ethnicity, subculture, age, age of the candidate, candidate's physical health, and so forth. My disagreement with your original statement is why the parents voted for Bush, not that they did or that it influenced their children's voting.

-M
ps. I read an interesting study that proposed that the reason progressives keep being beaten out is that since 1970, we have tended to be conservative with regard to family size also. No matter what I do to this post it just looks long!

edited to repost the church article from July 18 cuz I thought it would be interesting and fun! (don't you feel funnified?):
LOS ANGELES (AP) - The Internal Revenue Service has been warning churches and nonprofit organizations that improper campaigning in the upcoming political season could endanger their tax-exempt status.

In notices to more than 15,000 tax-exempt organizations, numerous church denominations and tax preparers, the agency has detailed its new enforcement program, called the Political Activity Compliance Initiative, the Los Angeles Times reported Tuesday.

Under the initiative, the IRS plans to expedite investigations into claims of improper campaigning, no longer waiting for an annual tax return to be filed or the tax year to end before launching a probe. A three-member committee will make an initial review of complaints and then vote on whether to pursue the investigation in detail.

"While the vast majority of charities and churches do not engage in politicking, an increasing number did take part in prohibited activities in the 2004 election cycle," IRS Commissioner Mark W. Everson said in a statement. "The rule against political campaign intervention by charities and churches is long established. We are stepping up our efforts to enforce it."

Since 2004, the IRS has investigated more than 200 organizations, including All Saints Church in Pasadena.

Two days before the 2004 presidential election, the Rev. George F. Regas, the church's former rector, delivered a guest sermon that pictured Jesus in a debate with George W. Bush and John Kerry. Although Regas didn't endorse a candidate, he said Jesus would have told Bush that his pre-emptive war policy "has led to disaster."

The church drew national attention when the Rev. Ed Bacon, rector of All Saints, disclosed the IRS investigation and later said the agency believed the church had violated federal tax code barring tax-exempt organizations from intervening in political campaigns and elections.

Church leaders have not heard from the IRS since October, when the agency said the investigation was being taken to a higher level, according to Regas. The IRS has not confirmed whether the investigation is still ongoing.

Of the 62 organizations determined by the IRS to be in violation, three lost their nonprofit status and 59 received warning letters. The three who lost their status were not churches, and some of those warned were ordered to pay an excise tax.

Federal law prohibits the IRS from releasing the names of those under investigation, but the agency said it has more than 100 cases pending and 40 of them are churches.

This month, OMB Watch, a Washington-based nonprofit government watchdog group, issued a report criticizing the IRS enforcement program and said the program could prompt retaliatory and harassment complaints unless the agency develops clear guidelines.

"I don't think this is a case of bad faith," said Kay Guinane, author of the report. "I just think it's a poorly structured program."

Stanley Burrell

08-01-2006, 12:47 PM

Er... Connecticut is largely a democratic state.

However I'm kinda sorry that I asked about the bitchy Connecticut look because that's just Stanley trying to get my goat. I'm just not a fan of generalizations, since you're basically aiming comments like that at me too.

I overgeneralize the state of Connecticut as a whole. I think I am secretly jealous of the fact that New England has more trees and less acid rain :-\

I thought Stanley's pictoral oration was rather magical myself.

Ty. In this same light, it shall forever serve as magical reminder for me to be a lot more productive in my free time ;)

TheEschaton

08-01-2006, 01:39 PM

(see length of this post),

self-deprecation ftw.

ElanthianSiren

08-01-2006, 01:47 PM

I prefer to think of it as honesty. I've been told before, at least twice now, that I've lost people with my posts, or I've used words that are too big or they're too long.

-M

TheEschaton

08-01-2006, 01:53 PM

Ha. I refuse, on principle, for using big words. Not my fault if the person reading it is a dumbass.

Unless, of course, I'm using terms for a highly specialized discipline, like, say, astrophysics.

But if some idiot doesn't know what "unsubstantiated" means, it's not my problem.

-TheE-

Hulkein

08-01-2006, 01:57 PM

No, it's the education system's fault, therefore it's Bush's fault.

ElanthianSiren

08-01-2006, 02:00 PM

No, it's the education system's fault, therefore it's Bush's fault.

Well, when you campaign on something as groundbreaking as No Child Left Behind then refuse to fund it adequately, I think you deserve some backlash. No child left behind was a great idea; they should have taken the initiative to make it more than lip service.

-M

Sean of the Thread

08-01-2006, 02:33 PM

My daughter's elementary.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b236/Japgross/kel.jpg

Wezas

08-01-2006, 02:36 PM

My daughter's elementary.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b236/Japgross/kel.jpg

But that clause in the "No Child Left Behind" act where it grants teachers the right to beat the kids with flagsticks should be taken out.

Sean of the Thread

08-01-2006, 02:38 PM

That was my 4 year old at a daycare. :)