Israel Enters Gaza

[Neildo]

Israel just sent tanks and troops into Gaza. Airstrikes took out their bridges and a power station. All to find a soldier supposedly kidnapped, even though a week previously Benjamin Netanyahoo said they now have the capability to take out Gaza in one strike or something along those lines. How coincidental.

- N

[Sean of the Thread]

Good. Palestinians are dirty.

[Tsa`ah]

Israel just sent tanks and troops into Gaza. Airstrikes took out their bridges and a power station. All to find a soldier supposedly kidnapped, even though a week previously Benjamin Netanyahoo said they now have the capability to take out Gaza in one strike or something along those lines. How coincidental.

- N

Hamas militants shouldn't claim to hold an Israeli soldier captive and then make demands.

Supposed or not, you don't fire rpgs across a hair thin border when rpgs are about the best thing you have against tanks, ground troops with body armor, and air support.

Israel is reactive to attacks, not to mention that history shows how well they respond to demands made by groups who send members across the border with bombs shoved up their ass'.

This is what I don't get. Israel withdraws and pretty much says "Show us you're willing to make peace", and when they respond to more attacks ... well people think they should roll over and take it up the ass.

Now I did say from the start of the withdraw that Israel would move right back in if given enough reason ... leave it to militant groups to give such a reason.

[Numbers]

Israel could essentially wipe out Palestine in a few days if they wanted to.

It's a shame that there are a few Palestinians who are so tempted to tease the big dog.

[Daniel]

This is retarded.

[radamanthys]

it's like spitting on the big bully kid when his dad is next to him with a barrel full of shotguns.

[Stanley Burrell]

Israel just sent tanks and troops into Gaza. Airstrikes took out their bridges and a power station. All to find a soldier supposedly kidnapped, even though a week previously Benjamin Netanyahoo said they now have the capability to take out Gaza in one strike or something along those lines. How coincidental.

- N

Sensibly, the state of Israel should and probably will create a permanent presence, albeit through uniform or Mossad agents, near and over the imaginary lines drawn out a couple years ago that have allowed for closer RPG fire from Palestinian territories.

In this light, there are many, many families living in Kibbutzes on the far outskirts of cities like Tel Aviv that have been hashed out some particularly ridiculous shit due to the government's sugar-coated restriction on troop mobilization within certain areas.

In conclusion, it isn't that big of a surprise to me that Egypt has right now massed the amount of troops it mobilized since The Six Day War... Except to its border facing Palestine.

[Daniel]

So, I'm thinking maybe I should get something around my star of David tattoo before I move to Egypt.

[Stanley Burrell]

So, I'm thinking maybe I should get something around my star of David tattoo before I move to Egypt.

What about a little smilie face carved into your ass everytime you "do the double"? :D

[StrayRogue]

Stupid Jews.

[Drew]

Holy crap... Tsa'ah just said something that made sense. Wonders may never cease.

[Tsa`ah]

Holy crap... Tsa'ah just said something that made sense. Wonders may never cease.

It's not that I never make sense ... it's that you're incapable of understanding me most of the time.

[Back]

Wow. Serious shit has been going down for the last few days. I agree with Tsa’ah, even though he may be biased... Hamas fucked themselves. Big time. Syria is a joke. Notice, Jordan isn’t the negotiator this time, or even involved... its Egypt. Nice swath going there. That alone is comforting.

I’m surprised it isn’t on 24 hour CNN. I’ve had to troll arabic and hebrew sites to get the updates.

[Sean of the Thread]

Did you really think Hamas was going to do anything but fuck themselves? They've been spewing words of hate since before the takeover.

[Back]

I’m an optimist. I’m sure I’m not alone in the hope that they would use the opportunity to everyone’s benefit.

I don’t live there, I am not as invested as everyone who lives there is. All I have is an outside opinion.

I also just saw Munich this past weekend. It had a really good message for both sides.

Maybe now Hamas will learn as the Israelis have.

On top of that. Maybe we could learn a little from the Israelis.

[DeV]

Syria is a joke. That's the result of a country ruled by men being pulled from puppet strings.

[Back]

That's the result of a country ruled by men being pulled from puppet strings.


Agreed. Look at the countries who have had women rule. And you can look back thousands of years. Look at the countries with religious rulers. Again, you can look back thousands of years.

Temper that with science, and you have an interesting statistic.

My point? Ah, I dunno, maybe kissing DeVs ass? Not an unworthy aspiration.

[Sean of the Thread]

I’m an optimist. I’m sure I’m not alone in the hope that they would use the opportunity to everyone’s benefit.



Optimistic or idiotic? A terrorist paramilitary group "wins" (haha) an election to govern a group of people involved in one of the worst and most sensitive conflicts on going in the world...starts immediately sabre rattling and you thought the result would be better?

And you wonder why people don't take you serious.

[Daniel]

Let's be real here. Hamas never had a chance because the world never gave them one. Asking for the level of respect given to every other legitimately elected goverment isn't exactly sabre rattling.

[Stanley Burrell]

Let's be real here. Hamas never had a chance because the world never gave them one. Asking for the level of respect given to every other legitimately elected goverment isn't exactly sabre rattling.

A country the size of Rhode Island containing 0.05% of the world's population did, for which they (Hamas) are now receiving a well-overdue ass kicking from.

[Daniel]

Who are you talking about? Not Israel, I hope. As soon as hamas was elected they said they were holding all Tax collection money from the Gaza Strip and west bank. That's hardly giving them a chance.

[Stanley Burrell]

Who are you talking about? Not Israel, I hope. As soon as hamas was elected they said they were holding all Tax collection money from the Gaza Strip and west bank. That's hardly giving them a chance.

Israel has been giving Hamas a chance to exist by not assassinating every single one of their affiliates tied into the usage of random combustibles, no matter what banner of colors they (Hamas) decides is feasible to cower under.

The only “good” thing about Hamas, right now, is that they are stupid enough to create the scene that they are, which the State of Israel will undoubtedly respond to with unbridled military action.

All politics and semantics aside, you just don't give money to a terrorist organization. Sorry.

[Daniel]

How many Israeli PM's have been considered Terrorists?

Stop the bullshit Stanley, threatening to not Annhiliate someone is not giving them a chance and it never will be.

If you want to smash some Palestinians then say so, but don't hide behind political bullshit.

Hamas never had a chance to govern, and anyone with half an ounce of honestly and intelligence can see this. Israel has had its finger of the trigger and has literally defined the term "Self-fulfilling" prophecy against the Palestinian people.

[Stanley Burrell]

All politics and semantics aside

:thanx:

[Daniel]

Stanley, I'm one of the most unpolitical persons you will ever meet. I fucking hate politics and if oyu think you're putting politics and Semantics aside by saying you don't give money to terrorist organizations, than I don' t know what to say about you.

[Stanley Burrell]

If you want to smash some Palestinians then say so, but don't hide behind political bullshit.

Ummm.

I would gladly put a 10x veil-iron tank shell of DOOM!!!1one into a car filled with any Palestinian, Israeli, American, Madagascarian, etc. members of Hamas, if they didn't do such a damn good job of smashing their own sorry asses into the ground, as is.

[Daniel]

Okay Stanley, so how is the current invasion into Gaza only effecting Hamas? I mean, they must be the only one who uses bridges and power plants...

[Stanley Burrell]

Stanley, I'm one of the most unpolitical persons you will ever meet. I fucking hate politics and if oyu think you're putting politics and Semantics aside by saying you don't give money to terrorist organizations, than I don' t know what to say about you.

Because if it feels, looks, tastes, sounds and smells like a terrorist...

...Signs point to YES, that with enough time, there will be terrorist/rebel/conservative/liberal/apathetic individual(s) who will, without a doubt, become cold-blooded murderers if left to their own devices.

I'll bite my own tongue before putting any semantics into play before first admitting to this realization.

[Stanley Burrell]

Okay Stanley, so how is the current invasion into Gaza only effecting Hamas? I mean, they must be the only one who uses bridges and power plants...

I never said it was.

[GSTamral]

Israel = Hamas with more guns. Both are equally undeserving at being in power. Both sides are equally at fault. Considering that Israel has essentially been invading Palestinianian land with tanks on a regular basis, using troops in helicopters to fire on protesting civilians (yes, civilians), it is not different then Hamas when they blow up nightclubs. The only difference is Hamas is using guerilla tactics because they don't have a military of their own to do kill opposition civilians like the Israeli's do.

You've got an angry Muslim population on one side who are still upset over giving up their land, and on top of it, never receiving restitution. They are being led by some sick extremists.
You've got an angry Jewish population on the other side who don't like having to walk the streets in fear, and thus elect some radical zionists to roll tanks on opposition land, conduct assassinations, and kill opposition civilians to vent their anger.

Blow them both up. They bring the rest of the world down with them in this bullshit.

[DrZaius]

Israel = Hamas with more guns. Both are equally undeserving at being in power. Both sides are equally at fault. Considering that Israel has essentially been invading Palestinianian land with tanks on a regular basis, using troops in helicopters to fire on protesting civilians (yes, civilians), it is not different then Hamas when they blow up nightclubs. The only difference is Hamas is using guerilla tactics because they don't have a military of their own to do kill opposition civilians like the Israeli's do.

You've got an angry Muslim population on one side who are still upset over giving up their land, and on top of it, never receiving restitution. They are being led by some sick extremists.
You've got an angry Jewish population on the other side who don't like having to walk the streets in fear, and thus elect some radical zionists to roll tanks on opposition land, conduct assassinations, and kill opposition civilians to vent their anger.

Blow them both up. They bring the rest of the world down with them in this bullshit.

Blame the British. It's all their fault anyways.

[Stanley Burrell]

Israel = Hamas with more guns.

You're a fucking moron.


Blow them both up. They bring the rest of the world down with them in this bullshit.

As long as they blow up the laptop avengers' kitten-killing brigade, I'm down.

[Daniel]

Because if it feels, looks, tastes, sounds and smells like a terrorist...

...Signs point to YES, that with enough time, there will be terrorist/rebel/conservative/liberal/apathetic individual(s) who will, without a doubt, become cold-blooded murderers if left to their own devices.

I'll bite my own tongue before putting any semantics into play before first admitting to this realization.


Please define a terrorist organization, Stanley.

[Stanley Burrell]

Hamas.

[Daniel]

Good job.


You're a fucking moron.

[Stanley Burrell]

In the infamous words of Jenovadeath,

"..."

[Stanley Burrell]

Actually, since Dan actually is cool peepz and what have you,

I didn’t field Tamral’s wall of text (that you quoted) simply because he opened up with a mathematical statement, which I think was something Israel = Hamas with more guns, or something like that.

I can do that too, i.e.:

Israel = Hamas with more guns.

Australia = Hamas with more guns.

U.K. = Hamas with more guns.

Poland = Hamas with more guns

America = Hamas with more guns.

Guy with more guns = Hamas with more guns.

Girl with more guns = Hamas with more guns.

…But the reason I don’t hash out group-them-all-together etiquettes, is because it makes me seem like a fucking idiot (and probably more likely to go on cat-killing escapades.)

Just using primitive logic, I basically scrolled through the rest of his statement without wasting any time to actually read through it.

I did a one-liner in response to your one-liner because I felt that I had done my best job to put the English language together in a manner that would suit the masses as well as not cause me to type out the amount that I have with this reply. It is good for typing on a laptop I’m not used to, though.

I agree while trying to use a counterargument lure that would unfold into the semantics I talked about not discussing earlier with an emoticon and how the word "terrorist" is handed out more commonly as 21st century label than a diagnosis of ADHD and a Ritalin prescription was to 80s children, I think we can all agree that if an Israeli PM and his/her oligarchy were to be replaced by some of the nearby organizations so desperately involved in making accusatory statements of their own “Terrorism” definitions, that such a theoretical switch of power would undoubtedly create a government that makes Hitler look cuddly.

As for the Zionist agenda having ever been some kind of motivational force, which Palestinian government and 20-21st century neo-Nazis have used (not that they haven't endured anything short of woeful panging) I think, in general, it's pretty hysterical:
I have known shitloads of non-Jews who were always, by far, more concerned about some supernatural force dictating a land development contract written by some obscure creator figure than anyone who claims Judaism just from a preference of Nathan’s hotdogs.

Yeah. I remember my Reform synagogue teaching me to be a Zionist every Saturday when the cantor would play “Adon Olam” on her guitar (not with the overtly jolly-sounding troping on Kol Nidre or Krystalnact, as a few of this board's posters can understand, being the astute theoligans you come across as [that's not an attack to all.])

Point in case, Israel has the land. And they're not going to give it up. The black, white, Asian, Semitic, Hispanic, red, blue, purple, etc. people can complain all they want, which is fine...

...But when you've been involved in actively and knowingly committing brutal murders under the M.O. of "Yeah, so, RARRR! THIS AREA OF LAND CAN'T EXIST UNDER ITS CURRENT TITLE. I R GO NOW KILL WOMEN AND CHILDREN! PRAISE <insert random deity/patronage/Sesame Street character>" From the get-go, and are politely asked to play nicer, then don't, don't be surprised to have a mortar shell with the letter “Aleph” imbedded deep within the confines of your sphincter at the same time it detonates.

I have to go watch Argentina's 1-0 lead. Sorry.

[Daniel]

The problem with your statement Stan is that Israel really doesn't control these areas. They only exert influence because of their massive military superiority that allows them to continually supress the people living there.

I'm not anti-Israel, in fact I heartily respect the Israeli people. However, the fact of the matter is, they are *wrong* in occupying the Gaza Strip, and no can no sooner blame the Palestinian people for fighting with what they have, than you can for the Israeli Army for responding with Markava's.

The sad thing about this entire situation is that both sides just plunged themselves into another war, that will take decades to heal. The result will be more killigs, kidnapping, and political hubris.

If the Israeli government, and by consequence its people really wanted peace than they would have given Hamas a chance to govern its people in a constructive manner.

However, you can not govern when your money gets jacked and you can't even pay your own secretaries to take calls.

If you *want* peace, than you have to start somewhere and frankly, there's no reason why Israel shouldn't give peae a chance. Everyone knows that they can hood stomp everyone in the Middle East, just as everyone should know that the more hood stomping of innocent folks you do, the more susceptible you become to suicide bombers and utter dissalussioned folk.

The West Bank and Gaza shouldn't even be an issue for Israel, if wasn't for a couple crack pots. In 10 years they'll be so sorely outnumbered that it'll be almost impossible to maintain control without resorting to truly drastic measures. Unfortunately, the political leeeway the Jewish people bought with the Holocaust is only going to lessen as the memory of that horrible event fades. To not go on longer, the simple fact is that Israel is gonna have to swallow a little bit of its pride and give the Palestinians something. If not, they're setting themselves up for failure. End of Story.

[Tsa`ah]

If the Israeli government, and by consequence its people really wanted peace than they would have given Hamas a chance to govern its people in a constructive manner.

Mostly they did until militants kidnapped a soldier and made demands.


However, you can not govern when your money gets jacked and you can't even pay your own secretaries to take calls.

Well when you withdraw from occupied territory leaving all of the structures intact, including the structures you can use to produce food and other exports, and in return the people demolish those structures ... I have very little pity and wouldn't fork over a dime either. They showed there was no interest in peace, why give them money for bombs?

I do empathise with the Palestinian bystander however. It's not the general populace, it's is the extremists in power.

The West Bank and the strip were both taken and occupied simply because they posed strategic holds for Israel as defensive positions. In the hands of another nation, a nice staging platform to launch attacks into Israel. They were taken as a response to an attack. Israel withdrew, for whatever reason, and the Palestinians chose to do what? Attack.

I'm all for peace, I'm all for a Palestinian state. The Palestinians need to realize that it's not going to happen while launching RPGs across the border. The Palestinians need to realize that "electing" known terrorists into office isn't going to help it along either.

[Daniel]

Tsa'ah,

The militants that captured the Israeli soldier were not Hamas. The Palestinian Resistance Committee, while containing Hamas members, was created by a Fatah member and has quite a bit of them in the organization as well.

It has nothing to do with the "Extemists in power".

To suggest that it is the fault of the Palestinian people for electing terrorists into power goes well beyond the facts.

To blame the Palestinian government, I.e. Hamas, for allowing it to happen you ignore the fact that the Government was essentially crippled when Israeal, along with the US and EU took away all their money to operate. It's kinda hard to maintain order when you don't have money to pay police, administrators, civil servants etc.

I won't even get into the philosphical argument that its wrong to punish an entire people because some decide to act out. Nor will I get into the fact that one of the only reasons the "extremists" are in power is because of Israel's unwillingness to deal with the Palestinian

I like you Tsa'ah and I'd like to think we see eye to eye on alot of things, but the facts don't support your position on this one.