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SpunGirl
06-10-2006, 07:18 PM
This showed up in my inbox the other day from my mother in law.

-K

The following is from Tom O'Malley who was a Director with SW BELL in Mexico City:

I spent five years working in Mexico.


I worked under a tourist Visa for three months and could legally renew it for three more months. After that you were working Illegally. I was technically illegal for three weeks waiting on the FM3 approval. During that six months our Mexican and US Attorneys were working to secure a permanent work visa called a FM3. It was in addition to my US passport that I had to show each time I entered and left the country. Barbara's was the same except hers did not permit her to work.
To apply for the FM3 I needed to submit the following notarized or iginals
(not copies) of my:
1. Birth certificates for Barbara and me.
2 . Marriage certificate.
3. High school transcripts and proof of graduation.
4. College transcripts for every college I attended and proof of graduation.
5. Two letters of recommendation from supervisors I had worked for at least one year.
6. A letter from The ST. Louis Chief of Police indicating I had no arrest record in the US and no outstanding warrants and was "a citizen in good standing."
7. Finally; I had to write a letter about myself that clearly stated why there was no Mexican Citizen with my skills and why my skills were important to Mexico. We called it our "I am the greatest person on Earth" letter. It was fun to write.


All of the above were in English that had to be translated into Spanish and be certified as legal translations and our signatures notarized. It produced a folder about 1.5 inches thick with English on the left side and Spanish on the right.
Once they were completed Barbara and I spent about five hours accompanied by a Mexican Attorney touring Mexican Government office locations a nd being photographed and fingerprinted at least three times. At each location and we remember at least four locations we were instructed on Mexican tax, labor, housing, and crim inal l aw and that we were required to obey their laws or face the consequences.



We could not protest any of the Government's actions or we would be committing a felony. We paid out four thousand dollars in fees and bribes to complete the process. When this was done we could legally bring in our household goods that were held by US customs in Laredo Texas. This meant we had rented furniture in Mexico while awaiting our goods. There were extensive fees involved here that the company paid.
We could not buy a home and were required to rent at very high rates and under contract and compliance with Mexican law.


We were required to get a Mexican driver's license. This was an amazing process. The company arranged for the Licensing agency to come to our Headquarters location with their photography and finger print equipment and the laminating machine. We showed our US license, were photographed and fingerprinted again and issued the li cense instantly after paying out a six dollar fee. We did not take a written or driving test and never received instructions on the rules of the road. Our only instruction was never give a policeman your license if stopped and asked. We were instructed to hold it against the inside window away from his grasp. If he got his hands on it you would have to pay ransom to get it back.


< /U>We then had to pay and file Mexican income tax annually using the number of our FM3 as our ID number. The company's Mexican accountants did this for us and we just signed what they prepared. It was about twenty legal size p ages annually.
The FM 3 was good for three years and renewable for two more after paying more fees.


Leaving the country meant turning in the FM3 and certifying we were leaving no debts behind and no outstanding legal affairs (warrants, tickets or liens) before our household goods were released to customs.


It was a real advent ure an d If any o f our Senators or Congressman went through it once they would have a different attitude toward Mexico.


The Mexican Government uses its vast military and police forces to keep its citizens intimidated and compliant. They never protest at their White house or government offices but do protest daily in front of the United States Embassy. The US embassy looks like a strongly reinforced fortress and during most protests the Mexican Military surround the block with their men standing shoulder to shoulder in full riot gear to protect the Embassy. These protests are never shown on US or Mexican TV. There is a large public park across the street where they do their protesting. Anything can cause a protest such as proposed law changes in California or Texas.


Please feel free to share this with everyone who thinks we are being hard on illegal immigrants.

CrystalTears
06-10-2006, 07:42 PM
Research in progress (http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/usimmigrant.asp)

Jazuela
06-10-2006, 08:18 PM
Yeah, it looks like this e-mail has been making the rounds. And everywhere it appears, it starts off sounding like the poster is claiming that he received it from Tom O'Malley himself, or some of his personal friends. Somehow, I doubt all these hundreds of people would have been sent e-mails from Tom O'Malley or some of his friends. In addition, SW Bell no longer exists, and when it did, it wasn't called SW Bell. It was SWBell (no space) or Southwestern Bell, or the more commonly known SBC, which just recently purchased AT&T and changed its name to AT&T.

Alfster
06-10-2006, 08:39 PM
It certainly makes the rounds at burker king

Back
06-10-2006, 08:40 PM
I get back to civilization and not only is this bullshit immigration thing still going, but now Congress is going over gay marriage again?

Fear, hate and ignorance is the platform on which the republican party runs.

Artha
06-11-2006, 12:34 AM
You should fear and hate the ignorant republicans.

Solkern
06-11-2006, 01:10 AM
I saw the best bumper sticker ever

Diapers and Republicans are two of the same
they need to be changed often, and we all know why

Warriorbird
06-11-2006, 02:43 AM
You should fear and hate the ignorant republicans.

No. I fear the intelligent Republicans far more.

Caiylania
06-11-2006, 05:21 AM
I get back to civilization and not only is this bullshit immigration thing still going, but now Congress is going over gay marriage again?

Fear, hate and ignorance is the platform on which the republican party runs.

Backlash, I rarely reply to you but this is like the straw. I mean... Gah, I meet just as many racist, ignorant democrats as I have republicans, independants, and people who have no political views I know.

Making blanket statements about republicans is just as retarded as anyother kind of generalization.

Even when you make valid points, the impact is lost when you constantly make it sound like every republican is out to ruin the world and is a member of some evil empire wearing Storm trooper uniforms, mindlessly trying to screw over lives.

Lame example but whatever. My ex is full blown republican but he supports plenty of so called 'democratic issues.' Including redoing the immigration in favor of immigrants.

People need to stop concentrating on parties and blaming them. Stick to each individual issue on its own merits.

ugh.

Anailea
06-11-2006, 05:22 AM
Since this subject was brought up again, here is the latest one that my dad shared with me. Enjoy.

New Immigrant:

A Somali arrives in Minneapolis as a new immigrant to the United States. He stops the first person he sees walking down the street and says, Thank you, Mr. American, for letting me in this country, giving me housing, food stamps, free medical care and free education!"

The passer-by says, "You are mistaken, I am Mexican".

The man goes on and encounters another passer-by. "Thank you for having
such a beautiful country here in America!"

The person says, "I no American, I Vietnamese."

The new arrival walks further, and the next person he sees he stops, shakes his hand and says "Thank you for the wonderful America!"

That person puts up his hand and says, "I am from Middle East, I am not
an American!"

He finally sees a lady and asks "Are you an American?"

She says, "No, I am from Russia!"

Puzzled he asks her, "Where are all the Americans?"

The Russian lady checks her watch and says..."Probably at work!"



I needed to submit the following notarized or iginals
(not copies) of my:
1. Birth certificates for Barbara and me.
2 . Marriage certificate.
3. High school transcripts and proof of graduation.
4. College transcripts for every college I attended and proof of graduation.
5. Two letters of recommendation from supervisors I had worked for at least one year.
6. A letter from The ST. Louis Chief of Police indicating I had no arrest record in the US and no outstanding warrants and was "a citizen in good standing."
7. Finally; I had to write a letter about myself that clearly stated why there was no Mexican Citizen with my skills and why my skills were important to Mexico. We called it our "I am the greatest person on Earth" letter. It was fun to write.


If our immigration requirements were this high, things might be a little better.

Anailea

Back
06-11-2006, 12:29 PM
Backlash, I rarely reply to you but this is like the straw. I mean... Gah, I meet just as many racist, ignorant democrats as I have republicans, independants, and people who have no political views I know.

Making blanket statements about republicans is just as retarded as anyother kind of generalization.

Even when you make valid points, the impact is lost when you constantly make it sound like every republican is out to ruin the world and is a member of some evil empire wearing Storm trooper uniforms, mindlessly trying to screw over lives.

Lame example but whatever. My ex is full blown republican but he supports plenty of so called 'democratic issues.' Including redoing the immigration in favor of immigrants.

People need to stop concentrating on parties and blaming them. Stick to each individual issue on its own merits.

ugh.

I’ve pulled punches in my life for far too long trying to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, listening to every side, and trying to understand every point of view. Doing so has caused less enlightened people to label me everything from tree-hugger to commie. This childish reaction does not bother me as much as the absolute refusal to cooperate and try to reach some kind of mutual agreement that will benefit us for generations to come.

As I write this, at this very point in the history of mankind, you would think we would be at the apex of civilization. We certainly are in a scientific sense. But sadly, as I’ve long observed, we are backsliding socially. There is still the fear of the unknown that causes us to create rationalizations for continuing on and making us feel safe.

Of course, Caiylania, I realize there are exceptions to every rule. Generalizations are a very slippery slope. I’ve been generalized and try not to make to many of my own. But there is a pattern that has emerged, in my observation, in the current political climate not only in this country but around the world. Its a subtle and dangerous play on people’s most basic reactions to the unknown. Instead of trying to understand then accept the unknown there are people who literally feed themselves on the ignorance of the general population.

I won’t sit silent and try to understand anymore because I do understand it now. I’m going to say it like it is. But please don’t misunderstand my objective. My goals are enlightenment, peace, progress and good living for everyone. When a barricade is put up in front of me I will not hesitate to tear it down not just for myself, but for everyone.

Latrinsorm
06-11-2006, 01:16 PM
you would think we would be at the apex of civilization.Why? The only solid trend in human history is that we're wrong a lot.
I do understand it now.Unfortunately, you don't. You have found a scuzzy explanation for why people take a certain position (felonizing illegal immigration = racist) and decided that that explanation applies to anyone who takes that position. Worse yet, you've extended that general philosophy to cover the supporters (in the most transient sense) of an entire political party. Worst of all, you're doing exactly the thing that you seem to find so distasteful in the opposition. Calling everyone who is for felonizing illegal immigration a racist is exactly equivalent to calling everyone who is against war a terrorist.

Back
06-11-2006, 01:24 PM
Why? The only solid trend in human history is that we're wrong a lot.Unfortunately, you don't. You have found a scuzzy explanation for why people take a certain position (felonizing illegal immigration = racist) and decided that that explanation applies to anyone who takes that position. Worse yet, you've extended that general philosophy to cover the supporters (in the most transient sense) of an entire political party. Worst of all, you're doing exactly the thing that you seem to find so distasteful in the opposition. Calling everyone who is for felonizing illegal immigration a racist is exactly equivalent to calling everyone who is against war a terrorist.

You might have had a point if I had called everyone who wants to felonize illegal immigration racists.

Latrinsorm
06-11-2006, 01:32 PM
Two things I will just throw into this thread at random since I don’t want to read through all the veiled racism...
I played the racism card because thats exactly what it is. Nobody is screaming about young white European girls on expired visas taking up all the au pair jobs in NYC.
Its sad everyone is so xenophobic.
Goddamn right its a race card. Added emphasis mine.

Warriorbird
06-11-2006, 01:50 PM
So...what precisely are you accomplishing, Latrinsorm?

Latrinsorm
06-11-2006, 02:02 PM
I am providing friendly analysis of and solutions to an error in reasoning. Whether this results in correction of said error is up to Backlash. I have faith in him. :)

Back
06-11-2006, 02:09 PM
Well my statements certainly lose their context in this thread as opposed to the original thread I put them in in response to other posts. Still, I haven’t said that everyone who wants to felonize = racist.

You know as well as I do Latrin, living in America, that racism exists. Guess which side of the issue they stand on? The underlying cause to racism as I see it is just plain ignorance which leads to fear and then hatred. So I can easily say that not everyone who wants to felonize is a racist because some people just do what they are told and don’t know any better. Other people can be completely genuine in wanting a better country with absolutely no amount of hate or fear at all.

Think back to when this issue came up. It was so simple to start with. Secure the border. End of story. Look at the issue now, what it has turned in to and who is leading it. Thats the point I am trying to make.

[edited for clarity]

Daniel
06-11-2006, 02:12 PM
I’ve pulled punches in my life for far too long trying to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, listening to every side, and trying to understand every point of view. Doing so has caused less enlightened people to label me everything from tree-hugger to commie. This childish reaction does not bother me as much as the absolute refusal to cooperate and try to reach some kind of mutual agreement that will benefit us for generations to come.

Seriously. I've met you Backlash, I don't think your a bad guy, nor have I ever jumped on the Anti basklash band wagon. However, how exactly do you come to a mutual agreement or understanding when you don't give people the benefit of the doubt or attempt to be cordial with them?

If you've truly adopted this black and white view of the world than act like it and stop trying to act otherwise.

Back
06-13-2006, 12:13 AM
Seriously. I've met you Backlash, I don't think your a bad guy, nor have I ever jumped on the Anti basklash band wagon. However, how exactly do you come to a mutual agreement or understanding when you don't give people the benefit of the doubt or attempt to be cordial with them?

If you've truly adopted this black and white view of the world than act like it and stop trying to act otherwise.

I’ve been contemplating your post for a while, D, truly. The past two days in fact.

Correct me if I’m wrong.

And let me just say that I was wrong when I put all Republicans in the same leaky boat. Some of you do want a better America. But listen to your party closely.

Warriorbird
06-13-2006, 06:21 AM
Having spent some time talking with a Republican bureaucrat and a number of Democratic campaign workers over the past few weeks I've become more and more convinced that I'm not a Democrat...but also more and more convinced that I am not a Republican.