Congratulations Al Gore!

[Parkbandit]

On your future award for best documentary 2006. There is no way the Hollyloon left would not give it to you for your 'documentary' on global warming... no matter how slanted it is. See Michael Moore for details.

[Sean of the Thread]

OMG WE HAVE 10 YEARS LEFT TO LIVE!

Didn't Kris Kristofferson predict the same thing about 10 years ago?

Wait google brought up Ted Dansen.

[Sean of the Thread]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b236/Japgross/countdown.jpg

[Gan]

ROFFLE

What a loon.

[Ilvane]

You can try to pretend global climate change isn't happenning, but it is. I used to work for these people when I was in college doing part time work. Check out this site. http://chge.med.harvard.edu/

You probably will not check on the real research on climate change, but whatever..;)

Angela

[Back]

You can try to pretend global climate change isn't happenning, but it is. I used to work for these people when I was in college doing part time work. Check out this site. http://chge.med.harvard.edu/

You probably will not check on the real research on climate change, but whatever..;)

Angela

Not much point in trying to argue with guys wearing tin-foil hats. It protects their brains from logic, truth, fact, and reason.

[peam]

Why'd you two have to run in and interrupt their circle jerk?

[Skeeter]

of course the climate changes. That's been pretty evident throughout the entire history of the earth. But the Ice Age was probably caused by the dinosaurs polluting too much.

[Hulkein]

It protects their brains from logic, truth, fact, and reason.

Oh Lordy Lordy!

Backlash wouldn't know reason or rationality if it dropped its nuts on his face.

[HarmNone]

of course the climate changes. That's been pretty evident throughout the entire history of the earth. But the Ice Age was probably caused by the dinosaurs polluting too much.

Hmmm...SUVasaurus, anyone? :D

[Skirmisher]

of course the climate changes. That's been pretty evident throughout the entire history of the earth. But the Ice Age was probably caused by the dinosaurs polluting too much.

Without wading too deeply into this fray I feel safe making the assertion that no species known to ever have existed has impacted upon the global environment as much as humans have in the last several hundred years.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

What are you talking about?! Humans use only clean energy and we know there are NO effects of it on the earth. There are no holes in the ozone layer, either. How could there be when we all live so harmoniously in-tune with nature?

[Hulkein]

No one said that, Narc.

[Alfster]

What are you talking about?! Humans use only clean energy and we know there are NO effects of it on the earth. There are no holes in the ozone layer, either. How could there be when we all live so harmoniously in-tune with nature?

U r TARd3d

[Valthissa]

Without wading too deeply into this fray I feel safe making the assertion that no species known to ever have existed has impacted upon the global environment as much as humans have in the last several hundred years.

I would argue for the lowly cyanobacteria (they took a long time to do their job, but we appreciate their efforts).


C/Valth

[Skirmisher]

I would argue for the lowly cyanobacteria (they took a long time to do their job, but we appreciate their efforts).


C/Valth

Yes yes heh.

I figured someone would name algae or perhaps some for of insect, but i thought i pretty well confined my assertion with the part about "several hunderd years".

Live and learn.

[Back]

http://waltonfeed.com/pic/ostrich.gif

[Jesuit]

I wonder why Al Gore isn't so vocal in China. The pollution in China is worse than America. maybe it was all the money the chinese government paid him.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/990axijx.asp

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39bf886d51f5.htm

http://cbc.ca/cgi-bin/view?/news/2001/06/05/china_environ010605

[Skeeter]

The earth will be just fine. The earth can take care of itself, and will be here long after all the people have evolved to whatever comes a few million years from now.

I wish I could find a source, but I remember reading that some scientists believe there was always a hole in the ozone layer, and it wasnt' created by chicks with 80's mall hair.

[Mighty Nikkisaurus]

No one said that, Narc.

I know that no one said that. Hence why I said it. Backlash pretty much got it right. If people don't want to "believe" in global warming and how catastrophic it can be, that's their peragotive. I just find it amusing. Hence the sarcasm. :)

- Issi

[Skirmisher]

The earth will be just fine. The earth can take care of itself, and will be here long after all the people have evolved to whatever comes a few million years from now.

I have no worries about the earth in general Skeeter, just our own health.

The earth will survive long after we are gone i'm sure.

[Skeeter]

fuck the earth, save the people?

[AnticorRifling]

Fuck people, save me.

[Sean of the Thread]

You can try to pretend global climate change isn't happenning, but it is. I used to work for these people when I was in college doing part time work. Check out this site. http://chge.med.harvard.edu/

You probably will not check on the real research on climate change, but whatever..;)

Angela

IT HAPPENS... every 10,000 years or so on the Earth as a cycle. Pretty sure your history of the Earth goes back 6,000 or so years tho so you do the math.

[Hulkein]

Catholic's don't believe that, Xyelin.

[Parkbandit]

The earth will be just fine. The earth can take care of itself, and will be here long after all the people have evolved to whatever comes a few million years from now.


I'm not completely oblivious that man hasn't done harm to the earth and pumping all the fossil fuel emissions into the environment can't actually be GOOD for it... but I don't need some has been... wait, some never has been using pictures of a winter mountain and then showing the same mountain in the summertime as "PROOF" that man is destroying the earth and that we need to start riding horses again to save it.

The earth has more impact on the environment than man ever could. See Mount St. Helens as proof of this.

[El Burro]

cows

[Parkbandit]

Not much point in trying to argue with guys wearing tin-foil hats. It protects their brains from logic, truth, fact, and reason.

The funny thing is.. we changed our avatars to honor your constant brainless political drivel on these boards.

[Ilvane]

It's okay Backlash, they can be idiots and not listen to anything anyone has to say except people that agree with them.;)

-A

[Sean of the Thread]

Idiots that believe the Earth is 6000 years old.

[Parkbandit]

It's okay Backlash, they can be idiots and not listen to anything anyone has to say except people that agree with them.;)

-A

HYPOCRITE ALERT!!!!!

HYPOCRITE ALERT!!!!!

[Gan]

It's okay Backlash, they can be idiots and not listen to anything anyone has to say except people that agree with them.;)

-A

Yes, because we all know that you're absolutely correct in this and every other circumstance where you apply this justification to.

:rolleyes:

It must be hard to be humble and omnicient at the same time. Someday you'll have to let us in on your little secret.

[Landrion]

The funny thing is.. we changed our avatars to honor your constant brainless political drivel on these boards.

Yeah I got that, but I really miss the dwarf flipping the bird. That was a classic.

[Hulkein]

It's okay Backlash, they can be idiots and not listen to anything anyone has to say except people that agree with them.;)

-A

When you're down to leaning on Backlash for help, you know you're close to spinning out of regular society and into tinfoil hat land.

[xtc]

I'm not completely oblivious that man hasn't done harm to the earth and pumping all the fossil fuel emissions into the environment can't actually be GOOD for it... but I don't need some has been... wait, some never has been using pictures of a winter mountain and then showing the same mountain in the summertime as "PROOF" that man is destroying the earth and that we need to start riding horses again to save it.

The earth has more impact on the environment than man ever could. See Mount St. Helens as proof of this.

The Rush Limbaugh Mount St Helens theory has been completely debunked.


Chlorine from natural sources is soluble, and so it gets rained out of the lower atmosphere," the journal Science explained (6/11/93). "CFCs, in contrast, are insoluble and inert and thus make it to the stratosphere to release their chlorine." Science also noted that chlorine found in the stratosphere--where it can eat away at Earth's protective ozone layer--is always found with other byproducts of CFCs, and not with the byproducts of natural chlorine sources. "Ozone depletion is real, as certain as Neil Armstrong's landing on the moon," Dr. Sherwood Rowland, an atmospheric chemist at the University of California at Irvine.

[CrystalTears]

It's okay Backlash, they can be idiots and not listen to anything anyone has to say except people that agree with them.;)

-A
O rly?

Don't wanna sacrifice Jolie.
http://www.blogfordemocracy.org/archives/Lester%20Tin%20Foil.jpg

[Atlanteax]

It's okay Backlash, they can be idiots and not listen to anything anyone has to say except people that agree with them.;)

-A


HYPOCRITE ALERT!!!!!

HYPOCRITE ALERT!!!!!

Factoid of the Day!

[Parkbandit]

The Rush Limbaugh Mount St Helens theory has been completely debunked.


Chlorine from natural sources is soluble, and so it gets rained out of the lower atmosphere," the journal Science explained (6/11/93). "CFCs, in contrast, are insoluble and inert and thus make it to the stratosphere to release their chlorine." Science also noted that chlorine found in the stratosphere--where it can eat away at Earth's protective ozone layer--is always found with other byproducts of CFCs, and not with the byproducts of natural chlorine sources. "Ozone depletion is real, as certain as Neil Armstrong's landing on the moon," Dr. Sherwood Rowland, an atmospheric chemist at the University of California at Irvine.

I wasn't saying that the Mt. St. Helen's eruption contributed to the Greenhouse effect, I was illustrating that the earth itself will effect the weather and environment much more and much quicker than man can.

Nice try.

[Parkbandit]

Also.. for xtc's benefit:

Dr. Ulrich Berner, a geologist with the Federal Institute for Geosciences in Germany, said global temperatures have varied greatly in the earth's history and are unrelated to human activity.

"The climate of the past has varied under natural conditions without the influence of humans," Berner said.

[Back]

Well, if you don’t want to believe the majority of scientists around the world... go on ahead and keep buying SUVs/gas guzzlers, gas powered lawnmowers, roller-skates, and whatever you want. Yippie for you (and the oil companies for pocketing your dollars.)

[xtc]

I wasn't saying that the Mt. St. Helen's eruption contributed to the Greenhouse effect, I was illustrating that the earth itself will effect the weather and environment much more and much quicker than man can.

Nice try.

Nice attempt at recovery. What bearing does that have on a discussion about global warming?

[Hulkein]

"Ozone depletion is real, as certain as Neil Armstrong's landing on the moon," Dr. Sherwood Rowland, an atmospheric chemist at the University of California at Irvine.

Funny, people like Backlash were saying we never landed there at one point!

:rofl:

[Back]

Funny, people like Backlash were saying we never landed there at one point!

:rofl:

Dude you are fucking stoned. I’ve never made that claim.

WTF???

[Hulkein]

"People like Backlash"

Trust me, if you were born 20 years earlier, it wouldn't be that big of a reach.

[Back]

"People like Backlash"

Trust me, if you were born 20 years earlier, it wouldn't be that big of a reach.

I was born the year it happened.

Oddly enough I equate people who think there is no global warming with those people who think we didn't land on the moon.

All a matter of perspective I guess. Science vs. Fantasy.

[Hulkein]

Yeah, I know you were born around that time.

My point is, if you were older (read: crazier), you would've been all over that conspiracy train. ;)

[Parkbandit]

Nice attempt at recovery. What bearing does that have on a discussion about global warming?

Learn 2 read I guess or simply stop trying to twist my words. I never said anything about Mt. St. Helen's eruption contributing to global warming. I simply said that the earth has more of an impact on itself than man ever has.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah, I know you were born around that time.

My point is, if you were older (read: crazier), you would've been all over that conspiracy train. ;)

I resent you equating older with crazier.

fucking prick. I expect a retraction.

[Parkbandit]

I was born the year it happened.

Oddly enough I equate people who think there is no global warming with those people who think we didn't land on the moon.

All a matter of perspective I guess. Science vs. Fantasy.

Oddly enough, I equate people who think the Bush administration is out to get them with those people who think we didn't land on the moon.

[Tsa`ah]

Changes in the earth's climate are inevitable and out of man's control to do anything about it ... to an extent. So for the third time on the PC ....

Chandler's wobble and the ever increasing gab between the earth and moon are not things we can control.

The Middle East is a prime example of this. That particular region went from lush and fertile to wasteland with just an increase of 1 degree of the maximum arc.

Most of the hard core environmentalist seem to discard that knowledge and place sole responsibility for climate shifts on man. That's not to say we're not responsible for augmenting the effects, but rather to say there's only so much we can do outside of making a momentous leap in science and technological capabilities in order to keep the moon's orbit and distance a constant.

The bi-products of human society certainly don't help, but they're only 1 part of the big picture.

[Ilvane]

You know, it's not about the fact that global warming and climate change is an important thing to look at..you are upset that it's Al Gore.

Do you remember back in the Reagan administration when the Secretary of the interior James Watt said that trees caused pollution? Gail Norton who was the secretary of the interior worked under him back then...Does it surprise anyone that she was for granting states and private corporations a greater voice in environmental decisions and was a big proponent of a law in Colorado that gave companies the ability to "self audit" to see if they were complying with environmental regulations?

That's the kind of science Bush is into! Nevermind that there is proof that there is global climate change, or that pollution is only getting worse all around the world..it's all about what is good for George, and his buddies in the oil industry.

Angela

[Warriorbird]

Oddly enough, I equate people who think the Bush administration is out to get them with those people who think we didn't land on the moon.

No wonder I equate Republican with lack of decency or respect these days. Then again... I also equate Republicans with believing the Earth is 6000 years old. I suppose that'd be disrespectful if it weren't a powerful portion of their party. Believing the Earth is 6000 years old is right up there with not believing in the Moon Landing (curiously enough, largely a far right conspiracy theory...the John Birch Society and Barry Goldwater both claimed it at one point.) Our current "Republican" circle jerk would've fit right in with the John Birch society.

[Parkbandit]

No wonder I equate Republican with lack of decency or respect these days.

That's probably because I have zero respect for stupidity and you are correctly perceiving that I have zero respect for you. It's probably not very decent of me.. but c'est la vie.

[Parkbandit]

You know, it's not about the fact that global warming and climate change is an important thing to look at..you are upset that it's Al Gore.

Do you remember back in the Reagan administration when the Secretary of the interior James Watt said that trees caused pollution? Gail Norton who was the secretary of the interior worked under him back then...Does it surprise anyone that she was for granting states and private corporations a greater voice in environmental decisions and was a big proponent of a law in Colorado that gave companies the ability to "self audit" to see if they were complying with environmental regulations?

That's the kind of science Bush is into! Nevermind that there is proof that there is global climate change, or that pollution is only getting worse all around the world..it's all about what is good for George, and his buddies in the oil industry.

Angela

Incorrect as usual.

I actually don't have a big issue with Al Gore the bore. He doesn't really have a big enough personality for me to like or dislike.

I would have an issue with anyone who uses half truths, exagerations and one sided statistics to 'prove' his/her point. His so called documentary is nothing more than fiction in most cases.

Do I think that emissions are good for the environment? No.. obviously.

Do I think we should limit these emissions? Yes, but not to the extreme that the whacko environmentalists want us.

Do I think that man is creating global warming to the point where the ice caps are in danger of melting off? No, sorry.. the evidence simply isn't there to prove that theory. Contribute yes, but cause no.

Do you know what the main gas that causes global warming is? Water vapor. What do you think produces more water vapor each year.. man or the planet?

Edited to add:
And HOLY MOTHER FUCKING SHIT... can you please PLEASE stop with the same old moveon.org mantra of "BUSH IS SAYING THIS OR DOING THIS SO HIS FRIENDS IN THE OIL BUSINESS GET RICH!!!" Holy shit does that get old as hell.. and makes your point look retarded. I'm surprised you didn't say that Haliburton was behind the whole thing.

[Sean of the Thread]

Seriously... HISTORY AND RECORDS win in this category.. the rest of you lose.

[Parkbandit]

There's a pretty good article posted on the internet and while I cannot confirm all of his/her findings, it does make you think about how significantly small man is on this planet and what little impact we really do have.

http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

[Warriorbird]

:shrugs: Eerily enough I agree to a large extent with the rightwing nutjobs in this category. The largest source of ozone damage is jet aircraft. Nobody's going to stop using jet aircraft. Environmentalists love to fly around in them.

[Back]

If Global Warming is some big whacko conspiracy... (and by the way, now who is talking conspiracy theories?) why? I mean, to what end? There is nothing wrongful, criminal or subversive about wanting clean air, water and minimizing our impact on our own planet.

The majority of the world’s scientists agree that we are having an impact and that the impact is going to affect us adversely. It may already be.

[Warriorbird]

We're having an impact. We're just unwilling to do anything about some of the biggest offenders. Environmentalists too.

[AnticorRifling]

Does this mean that in 10 years the internet he invented will go away too?

[Hulkein]

Haha, I don't know if anyone ever played Civilization, but in Civ 4, for the Internet tech you research, the icon for building the 'Internet Wonder' is a picture of Al Gore. It's hysterical.

[DeV]

What's really funny is that Gore never said he invented the Internet. He did however, take leadership, within Congress, in developing the free flow of information on what we now call the Internet. I just had to comment on that considering I wrote a paper about the Internet back in undergrad, and Gore was mentioned among others.

As far as global warming. Eh, there are more important issues that could actually be addressed with immediate results such as protecting endangered species, and saving the damn rain forrests that are being depleted by human consumption. At least the importance of those subject matters are agreed on by economists and environmentalists alike.

[Atlanteax]

Haha, I don't know if anyone ever played Civilization, but in Civ 4, for the Internet tech you research, the icon for building the 'Internet Wonder' is a picture of Al Gore. It's hysterical.

That pissed me off big-time.

Either someone with a sense of humor (I get how it can be funny, but I don't think it's appropriate for a game of Civ 4's "seriousness") or some Al Gore apologist programmer.

[CrystalTears]

Civ 4 seriousness, and Jon Stewart doesn't spin the news. I think I need another break from these threads. :lol:

[Hulkein]

That pissed me off big-time.

Either someone with a sense of humor (I get how it can be funny, but I don't think it's appropriate for a game of Civ 4's "seriousness") or some Al Gore apologist programmer.

It's definitely making/poking fun at Gore, it isn't serious.

I liked it.

[Parkbandit]

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system. " - Al Gore


I think he tried to take more credit than what he deserved, but he never really said he invented the internet.

[xtc]

Changes in the earth's climate are inevitable and out of man's control to do anything about it ... to an extent. So for the third time on the PC ....

Chandler's wobble and the ever increasing gab between the earth and moon are not things we can control.

The Middle East is a prime example of this. That particular region went from lush and fertile to wasteland with just an increase of 1 degree of the maximum arc.

Most of the hard core environmentalist seem to discard that knowledge and place sole responsibility for climate shifts on man. That's not to say we're not responsible for augmenting the effects, but rather to say there's only so much we can do outside of making a momentous leap in science and technological capabilities in order to keep the moon's orbit and distance a constant.

The bi-products of human society certainly don't help, but they're only 1 part of the big picture.

I know many people theorise that Chandler's wobble is thought to cause earthquakes, el nino, and climate change but that they haven't proven this conclusively yet.

The other question is what causes Chandler's wobble? Recently it was discovered that it is fluctuating pressure on the bottom of the ocean, one of the causes of which is temperature change.

So it seems that changes in the temperature of the ocean causes the fluctuating pressure which in turn causes Chandler's wobble.

So what causes the changes in Ocean temperatures? Maybe Global warming the thing that is melting the global ice caps.

[Tsa`ah]

Umm ... the moon.

Or rather the ever increasing distance between the earth and moon.

The moon moves further and further from the earth with each passing year. As a result the earth's rotation slows which means the oceans are warmed in the sun longer.

Also the further out the moon goes, the greater the wobble, the greater the wobble the more the poles dip into more temperate regions.

Yes, global warming has it's impact and that impact is magnified by the inevitable, which likely won't happen before man becomes extinct.

I'm not advocating NOT doing anything about the problem, I'm pointing out that some of the problems are beyond man's control to do anything about.

That is unless you know of a way to pull the moon back enough to return our rotation speed to what it was 100 or so years ago.

[CrystalTears]

That is unless you know of a way to pull the moon back enough to return our rotation speed to what it was 100 or so years ago.Someone get Bruce Almighty! He can do it! :D

[Latrinsorm]

It's okay Backlash, they can be idiots and not listen to anything anyone has to say except people that agree with them.This is a weird way of phrasing "I'm sorry for not reading what people said and laying into them for no reason in the Kennedy thread", but I accept your apology. :heart:
You know, it's not about the fact that global warming and climate change is an important thing to look at..you are upset that it's Al Gore.Hmm, interesting. I suppose you can discern this because you yourself have no analogous fixation to a prominent Republ... oh.
it's all about what is good for George, and his buddies in the oil industry.Well, nevermind.

[Hulkein]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/dawkins/algore.jpg

lol

Picture of Gore is showing that you're able to build the Internets.

[Stunseed]

Civilizatiown3d.

[Sean of the Thread]

I love CIV4

[Alfster]

when you get bored of it, hook me up

[Hulkein]

They're coming out with an expansion pack for it in June (maybe July, I forget) called Warlords.

New units called Warlords, new civ's, new leaders, new leader traits, civilization specific buildings, and a bunch of cool scenarios.

[Stunseed]

I know it's Off Topic and all, but the scenarios for the Civ series are awesome. I never beat the next to last in the original Civilization, as difficult as it was back then.

I play random worlds and as I beat that difficulty level a few times, I bump it up until the hardest. Then usually I'll start trying scenarios. The WWII on Civ2 is a gigantic bitch to try on the upper difficulties.

[Hulkein]

How do you usually win? Domination, cultural, UN election, space race?

I'm too diplomatic, I never win by domination, it's always either cultural, UN election, or space race (though I've been turning that option for winning off lately, it's stupid way to win, imo)

[Sean of the Thread]

I know it's Off Topic and all, but the scenarios for the Civ series are awesome. I never beat the next to last in the original Civilization, as difficult as it was back then.

I play random worlds and as I beat that difficulty level a few times, I bump it up until the hardest. Then usually I'll start trying scenarios. The WWII on Civ2 is a gigantic bitch to try on the upper difficulties.


Love the WWII scenarios. They are well done.

[Warriorbird]

:echoes Xyelin for once:

The war scenarios are brilliant... they can lead to the oddest conclusions too.

[Sean of the Thread]

You echoe me in your subconscience all the time sucker... you just don't know it.

I'm all for getting a CIV 4 league/ladder/tourney going. I barely play it but its great fun if your a strat fan.

[Stunseed]

< How do you usually win? Domination, cultural, UN election, space race? >

Depends. I try my best to do it by the civilizations history.

Greece/Roman/Mongol = domination ( hardest for me )
Americans = UN Election
Chinese/Japanese/Russians = space race.

In harder scenarios/random worlds, I will simply make my people fornicate into hundreds of Settlers and overpopulate my continent, creating a trade/defense stronghold.

In lieu of the thread, though....Al Gore, huzzah to you!