Hrmm Alas, yet again it "appears" I was not wrong.

Originally posted by Dave
Surprise surprise, WE DON'T LIKE HIM SO LETS BAN HIM!!11 typical of the mods as of late. Sad but typical.

[Edited on 8-4-2005 by Dave]

[StrayRogue]

Wow, talk about pulling a Toj. You don't even know the half of it Dave. However if you don't like it, I won't lose any sleep if you fuck off as well.

Nope, just the fact that I was right.
X was banned.

[StrayRogue]

And do you know what for?

Nope care to fill me in.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Dave
Nope care to fill me in.

He knows exactly why he was banned. And no, I don't care to fill you in. Suffice it to say it was beyond simply pissing off the mods.

Since all of his posts have been deleted back til 3august2005 i cant really tell

Thats not very informative. I will assume by your defensive nature it was about somebody your friends with, Miss X id guess. Since i know the two of you know each other.
What TOS violation was committed?

[StrayRogue]

As far as I'm aware, Yes he violated TOS.

That is not informative. What specifically was the violation since you seem to know so much?

[Showal]

who really cares? he got banned and right before he said something about how he was going to get banned by the end of the day ... so he probably did something he knew he'd get banned for and -here comes the surprise- he was banned for it. I doubt the mods gave him a warning that that day was his final day of posting and he'd be banned by the end of it, I think he made that decision himself.

Dave, don't fight this fight man. You're not nearly informed enough on the situation to actually be making any statements with any sort of authority. Hell, I just know the bare bones of the bare bones of the bare bones, but all I know is X definately crossed the line.

- Arkans

Why the coverup then? When i look up his name, he is still a member, yet has an IP ban.

[The Korean]

Could you have at least spelled liberate correctly?

[StrayRogue]

Cry cry cry.

Thats why I am asking Arkans. I want to know.

Call me the ACLU of the players corner.

[StrayRogue]

Cry cry cry.

[Ilvane]

Dave, before you open up your mouth..please understand you have no clue what is going on with X or what he has been doing, or what points he may had accumulated.

-A

I'm not accusing anyone or attacking anyone. I was right, and was attacked for it (by harmnone mind you). Then I find out more information, Just want to know both sides, yet nobody is willing to explain, odd. Cover up?

Dave, just know that he crossed the line. You don't want your laundry being aired out in the open nor do the people involved want theirs. Hell, I know that he crossed the lines, but I have no clue about the details. Frankly, it is personal and none of our business.

- Arkans

Originally posted by Ilvane
Dave, before you open up your mouth..please understand you have no clue what is going on with X or what he has been doing, or what points he may had accumulated.

-A

Yep, of course I dont, I'm not a mod. Yet it seems all these people are privy to some information about his banning yet the general public does not have any knowledge, (specifically me).

Because personal information is up for public disclosure nor should it be.

- Arkans

I don't need to know what was said. Just what TOS violation was committed and to what capacity.
I'm not here to win a popularity contest, I know how many people on the boards dislike me. I am also not trying to make X out to be a martyr.
Personal attacks happen all the time here, so if that was the case there is no reason for a ban. Did he give a death threat like TOJ decided to?
Aside from that I don't really remember him doing anything that violated TOS.. racial slurs?

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Dave
I'm not accusing anyone or attacking anyone. I was right, and was attacked for it (by harmnone mind you). Then I find out more information, Just want to know both sides, yet nobody is willing to explain, odd. Cover up?

When has it EVER been PC policy to explain why a person was banned?

Addresses can be found very easily over the internet, as can phone numbers.
What other kind of personal information could have been posted that MIGHT have violated tos?

[Iqxero]

Dave, how are you right?

Your quote was that X was baned ONLY BECAUSE the mods don't like him.

At least one Mod and members who have spoken to other mods are telling you that you have absolutly no way of knowing that, except his opinion.

You will never know his demerits, and you will never know what was pulled to give them to him. They are gone, and only mods can see them. That's why we have mods, so we don't have to see the crap the gets removed. Your basically just looking like an ass because you feel like it.

Do you get a little memo across your desk whenever a person is banned from the PC with a justification signed by Harmnone? No? Then why the fuck do you care all the sudden, and expect them to start telling you with X? If he was banned by the HMC policy, then guess what!? He was banned by TOS. If he was banned by demerit points, then guess what!? He was banned by TOS.

Just because his account hasn't been changed to banned, doesn't mean an IP ban is a coverup. It's just that, a Ban. Harmnone was probably trying to keep him from doing exactly what she knew he would do, and did, and come back and makeup a bunch of screen names to extend his ban time and further prove himself an ass.

Originally posted by StrayRogue

Originally posted by Dave
I'm not accusing anyone or attacking anyone. I was right, and was attacked for it (by harmnone mind you). Then I find out more information, Just want to know both sides, yet nobody is willing to explain, odd. Cover up?

When has it EVER been PC policy to explain why a person was banned?

Stray, I dont remember saying that it was a policy to tell. Though we do always find out.
Its more towards the post from harmnone telling me i know nothing and nobody was banned, yet suprise, X was banned.

[Nieninque]

Call me the ACLU of the players corner.

I would call you the DICK of the players corner.


Nope, just the fact that I was right.
X was banned.


You know, I knew Lycain was going to get banned...every time he got banned I knew he was going to get banned. That means I have been right about 5 times. Or more even. I guess that means that the mods didnt like him...or it could be the fact that he acted like a twat on the boards and racked up enough points to get banned (or the equivalent pre-demerit points).

It doesnt take a genius to see why people get banned. It also doesnt take a genius to see that you dont know the full story as to why he was banned.

I know that not just posts of Frenchie Fuckhead were removed, but threads he made were removed. That would indicate to me that actually, ToS WERE being breached...and as a result, he was going bye bye.

I am disliked by a number of people here for what I post and how. A number of them are mods. As far as I know, I have not been allotted any demerit points, therefore your little conspiracy theory falls flat on its face.

I ask just one thing of you...if you are intending on leaving the boards, please do it voluntarily and do do an X or a Toj or a Stanley or any number of the fuckheads that bored us to death with their whinging before they eventually caught the royal hoof.

[Edited on 5-8-05 by Nieninque]

[StrayRogue]

I personally reckon HN didn't change his title to banned simply to stop pointless inane threads like this by pointless and inane people.

[Edited on 5-8-05 by StrayRogue]

[Hulkein]

I KNOW A SECRET, MY JOB TO KNOW YOURS TO FIND OUT

:GIGGLE:

:lol2:

Originally posted by Nieninque

Call me the ACLU of the players corner.

I would call you the DICK of the players corner.


Nope, just the fact that I was right.
X was banned.


You know, I knew Lycain was going to get banned...every time he got banned I knew he was going to get banned. That means I have been right about 5 times. Or more even. I guess that means that the mods didnt like him...or it could be the fact that he acted like a twat on the boards and racked up enough points to get banned (or the equivalent pre-demerit points).

It doesnt take a genius to see why people get banned. It also doesnt take a genius to see that you dont know the full story as to why he was banned.

I know that not just posts of Frenchie Fuckhead were removed, but threads he made were removed. That would indicate to me that actually, ToS WERE being breached...and as a result, he was going bye bye.

I am disliked by a number of people here for what I post and how. A number of them are mods. As far as I know, I have not been allotted any demerit points, therefore your little conspiracy theory falls flat on its face.

I ask just one thing of you...if you are intending on leaving the boards, please do it voluntarily and do do an X or a Toj or a Stanley or any number of the fuckheads that bored us to death with their whinging before they eventually caught the royal hoof.

[Edited on 5-8-05 by Nieninque]

The problem i have with that is one of the issues i have run into. ITs not a matter of TOS being violated, its a matter of "I said you cant post that [even though it does not violate TOS] so im pulling it.

[Ilvane]

He's getting his attention now, like he wanted too. Dave why do you want to stand up for someone like x anyway?

-A

[CrystalTears]

I'm sorry but I felt we should move this here for the meantime. It includes X posting as his new name, and I do believe it's against TOS to post on behalf of banned members. Although I'm not sure if he was told that he was banned, I'm not sure what to tell Dave right now.

And the purpose of my thread being pulled is what. It was on topic, in the correct folder. There were no violations. And very civil on my part might I add.
explanation please.

Yeah... I agree. Why was the thread pulled?

- Arkans

[The Cat In The Hat]

groan...

Really irks me when I take the time to read a topic, then make a nice long constructive post only to get "You are not permitted to post in this topic" because it's been closed in the 15 minutes it took me to read and type a response.

I didn't see anything wrong with the topic other than someone wanting an explination that will not be given.

*note* I dont care if he was banned, or why, or why Dave cares so much... but it was very annoying to NOT be able to post what I just wrote.

[Edited on 8-5-2005 by The Cat In The Hat]

[CrystalTears]

It was my decision to temporarily move out to the staff section. It's against TOS to post on behalf of banned members, however there's issues with that as well. If I was wrong, I will apologize and return the thread. Please bear with me.

[Hulkein]

I don't know what happened, but if people were surprised when the guy who has had:

- Himself insulted for personal appearence, intelligence, etc

- His girlfriend insulted for looks, intelligence, etc.

- His kid insulted once or twice

decides to start firing back with personal stuff, then I must say, what exactly were you expecting to happen?

[Edited on 8-5-2005 by Hulkein]

[The Cat In The Hat]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
It was my decision to temporarily move out to the staff section. It's against TOS to post on behalf of banned members, however there's issues with that as well. If I was wrong, I will apologize and return the thread. Please bear with me.


You're right, I remember when Methais got banned and if I remember correctly, someone else was temp. banned for posting on his behalf. TOS does say that's not allowed.

I don't see how he was posting on behalf of Xcalibur. To me, it seemed to be a thread of legitamate concern on why X was banned. Whether or not he should be privvy to that is another matter though.

- Arkans

Originally posted by CrystalTears
It was my decision to temporarily move out to the staff section. It's against TOS to post on behalf of banned members, however there's issues with that as well. If I was wrong, I will apologize and return the thread. Please bear with me.

I did no posting on behalf of X. I am sure he knows why he was banned, and i as a matter of fact asked for the screenshots so I could see that he was banned. When i was satisfied that he was banned I posted the thread.

That is a crap excuse CT. You know it and I know it.

[CrystalTears]

He posted X's screen shots of him being banned from posting. To me, that seems like he's posting on his behalf. If I'm wrong, I will return the thread and publicly apologize for it. But for now, I'd like a judge's ruling on it. :)

[Nieninque]

I dont see him as posting on his behalf either.
Dave has been whinging on about this as long as the others.
He was posting of his own volition.

And Hulkein, X kicked off with the personal stuff waaaaaaaaaay before anyone started on him.
He just didnt like it when it came back around.

WTF

Posting a screen shot is posting on someone's behalf? To me it looks like someone's screen. There seems to be 0 intent of X trying to get a message out, but by Dave trying to get a message out with visual proof.

- Arkans

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Nieninque
And Hulkein, X kicked off with the personal stuff waaaaaaaaaay before anyone started on him.
He just didnt like it when it came back around.

As long as I've been here, it seemed to be pretty much even on who would instigate the personal stuff.

[Skirmisher]

We do not owe Dave so much as oxygen to breathe.

I say keep this thread deleted and ignore the fool.

I didn't want to air out the laundry, and I do know a fair bit about why he was banned, though ignorant on the other sides reasons. (partly might I add)
I don't really want to embarrass the people in question, but If the reasons why he was banned are only half true, IMO it was wrong and I don't feel bad about saying it.

[CrystalTears]

The fact that X created another user and posted in that thread also needs to be dealt with as well.

[StrayRogue]

Of course you'd see it that way. You're his buddy.

X's thread should be hidden and all the posts he made under his alt. Dave's thread. ehhhh..

- Arkans

[StrayRogue]

LMAO. Don't care my ass, pal. You wouldn't be here defending yourself if you didn't care. Never became personal...whatever. Its a wonder why people like Hulkein and Dave even listen to you.

Xcalibur Law (9:52:32 AM): Yeah, they banned me
YouKnowHowItIs1 (9:53:00 AM): they banned you? what for?
Xcalibur Law (9:53:47 AM): Dunno, they said no reasons
YouKnowHowItIs1 (9:54:22 AM): they banned you banned you as in you cant log in anymore and post?
Xcalibur Law (9:54:32 AM): as in this:
Xcalibur Law (9:54:51 AM): Members viewing this page: None (4 Guests)




You are banned. You may not view the forums, post, make new topics, send U2U's or edit your posts.;

Xcalibur Law (9:55:13 AM): So it's a total ban
YouKnowHowItIs1 (9:55:39 AM): take a screen shot for me?
Xcalibur Law (9:55:50 AM): eh sure
Xcalibur Law wants to send file C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\My Documents\download\youknowhowitis1\banning.JPG (9:57:48 AM).
YouKnowHowItIs1 received C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\My Documents\download\youknowhowitis1\banning.JPG (9:57:52 AM).
Xcalibur Law (9:58:04 AM): I am ip banned

Originally posted by CrystalTears
The fact that X created another user and posted in that thread also needs to be dealt with as well.

So deal with it. Delete his post and the other thread. That in no way gives reason for my thread to have been removed.
But mods are human beings and they make mistakes... ive heard that 100 times already and that will be the only explanation given.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
LMAO. Don't care my ass, pal. You wouldn't be here defending yourself if you didn't care. Never became personal...whatever. Its a wonder why people like Hulkein and Dave even listen to you.

Listen to him?

I've never talked to him on AIM, didn't even know he was banned, I'm not surprised he was banned, and I don't particularly care he was banned, seeing as he made it his goal.

How and when do I listen to him, and about what am I listening?

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Dave
Xcalibur Law (9:52:32 AM): Yeah, they banned me
YouKnowHowItIs1 (9:53:00 AM): they banned you? what for?
Xcalibur Law (9:53:47 AM): Dunno, they said no reasons
YouKnowHowItIs1 (9:54:22 AM): they banned you banned you as in you cant log in anymore and post?
Xcalibur Law (9:54:32 AM): as in this:
Xcalibur Law (9:54:51 AM): Members viewing this page: None (4 Guests)




You are banned. You may not view the forums, post, make new topics, send U2U's or edit your posts.;

Xcalibur Law (9:55:13 AM): So it's a total ban
YouKnowHowItIs1 (9:55:39 AM): take a screen shot for me?
Xcalibur Law (9:55:50 AM): eh sure
Xcalibur Law wants to send file C:Documents and SettingsOwnerMy Documentsdownloadyouknowhowitis1banning.JPG (9:57:48 AM).
YouKnowHowItIs1 received C:Documents and SettingsOwnerMy Documentsdownloadyouknowhowitis1banning.JPG (9:57:52 AM).
Xcalibur Law (9:58:04 AM): I am ip banned

I'm sure he knows exactly why he's banned. I still don't know why you're listening to him.

Originally posted by Hulkein

Originally posted by Nieninque
And Hulkein, X kicked off with the personal stuff waaaaaaaaaay before anyone started on him.
He just didnt like it when it came back around.

As long as I've been here, it seemed to be pretty much even on who would instigate the personal stuff.

Agreed there are no innocent parties. The only difference is what i have been stating quite often as of late. The mods violations are ignored and they are allowed to have free reign while the less liked posters are removed.

[StrayRogue]

Cry cry cry Xcalibur.

Stray i know why he was banned as well. Why were the other people involved not banned is a better question. Those who did the same things.

[StrayRogue]

It's evident you don't know. If you did you wouldn't have posted a fucking thread asking about it.

[Hulkein]

There is favoritism in almost every aspect of life.

What makes you think there isn't going to be any on an internet forum?

While I think the people here do their best to keep it at a minimum, it's a fact of life.

[Edited on 8-5-2005 by Hulkein]

I personally have never had a problem with X. I see him act like an ass on the boards, but others do the same thing... Tsa'ah as a good example.

It might be because I have better things to do than insult his English every time he posts, which tends to cause a downward spiral in every thread he is part of. I do however notice the pack mentality that the same members have whenever he posts. Why are those people not criticized by staff for their actions, which do violate TOS by being off topic. Oh wait, staff members take part in the attacks so it is okay.



CT, I have shown that I in fact did not post on behalf of X. That I posted on my own behalf as shown by my own request for the screen shots. I would like my thread to be replaced please.

[StrayRogue]

Confusion much? I'm glad I've got TOTAL verification that when you told me your gf wouldn't touch you in bed that you were actually, for once, telling the truth. Pwned.

[peam]

Most of you are big fuckin' crybabies.

[Hulkein]

Let's get back to making fun of unpopular members personal lives, that'll prove him wrong that mods aren't unfair!

[DeV]

And they say women are the only emotional nut cases...

[ElanthianSiren]

I seem to recall one thread where X insulted my french, (I used la instead of le), though I've never insulted his English.

It goes both ways, Dave.

Besides, he stated his intent was to be banned. Law enforcement just gave him what he asked for. I'm surprised you're defending him actually.

OH yea, and for the record, I don't think there's that much favoritism on the PC, but that's an opinion, like those saying favoritism is everywhere here.

-M

Originally posted by StrayRogue
It's evident you don't know. If you did you wouldn't have posted a fucking thread asking about it.
I wanted both sides of the story before I started a one man crusade.
More so do to a conversation i had with Harmnone last night about stopping my pointing out the hypocrisy of the staff. Better to make sure I was in the right than go into battle blindly.

Originally posted by peam
Most of you are big fuckin' crybabies.

I'd appreciate it if you'd leave me out of this.

Originally posted by ElanthianSiren
I seem to recall one thread where X insulted my french, (I used la instead of le), though I've never insulted his English.

It goes both ways, Dave.

Besides, he stated his intent was to be banned. Law enforcement just gave him what he asked for. I'm surprised you're defending him actually.

OH yea, and for the record, I don't think there's that much favoritism on the PC, but that's an opinion, like those saying favoritism is everywhere here.

-M

A thread does not make every time he posts. So im sorry but your 1 case is a moot point.

[Gan]

X is banned?!?

WAHHHOOOOOOOOOO!

Live by the sword, die by the sword.... 'broah'.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I need to take a break from posting more often...

:clap:

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by ElanthianSiren

Besides, he stated his intent was to be banned. Law enforcement just gave him what he asked for. I'm surprised you're defending him actually.



He's just pulling a TOJ.

forgot about this part of your last post ES

'Besides, he stated his intent was to be banned. Law enforcement just gave him what he asked for. I'm surprised you're defending him actually. "

I havent defended him, yet. I am just asking for an explenation, and I want to make sure it was for the right reasons. I only have one side of the story. Id like both

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Confusion much? I'm glad I've got TOTAL verification that when you told me your gf wouldn't touch you in bed that you were actually, for once, telling the truth. Pwned.

A similar violation to why X was removed?
I hope this is dealt with in a similar fashion. It would show me how wrong I am about the hypocritical moderation practices on the boards.

[Tisket]

If he is banned why does it not say "Banned" under his name? I could have started celebrating earlier had I known....

Dave you whine more than ToJ.

[StrayRogue]

HAHAHA X. Just keep digging that grave for yourself. As you yourself once said "we used to speak". Thanks for the proof though. Give the Ice Maiden my regards.

Originally posted by Tisket
If he is banned why does it not say "Banned" under his name? I could have started celebrating earlier had I known....

Dave you whine more than ToJ.

I have to take the right path even when it is unpopular.
I am the "right" minded poster afterall.

[CrystalTears]

Since HarmNone is the only one who is able to ban people, please wait until she is able to respond.

[DeV]

Last I heard, staff did not have to give any of us any reasons why a particular member is banned. Why would they make an exception for you Dave?

[GSLady17]

I personally believe that a thread should not be pulled unless it bothers the community of the forum.

If people had posted in the thread, “Hey he is banned, that’s not fair to talk for him!”

Then yes, pull the thread. But I don’t think he was trying to talk for X at all. And if the thread is not bothering people, (and I don’t mean someone who just likes to bitch and moan about everything.) if it is a questionable thread, and more than one person is bothered by it, pull it.

I think we have every right to know exactly why X was banned. How do we know the U.S. has not been taking over by a new Hitler? Well, we are able to watch TV and read the paper about trials and crimes. We can find out what crime was committed, the “trial” (how it was dealt with in a way), and the punishment.

So, the questions are;

1) So, what crimes did X commit? I’m sure you will be able to show us where and TOS that it states that what ever X did, is in fact a crime.

2) How did you decide he should be banned? Did you wake up one morning and decide to hate him, or did you Mods actually discuss him? Did you talk with in private? Perhaps U2U’s? Did you then discuss what he had to say? Did you vote on it?

3) Punishment was that he was banned. Even a murderer knows why he is sent to jail. Why was X not told? Then this questions leads back to question one.


I don’t have a preference on X being banned or not. I do think that we have a right to know the questions above (without posters, there is no forum.) and if he was treated unfairly, well that is a whole other issue.

We have a right to know what actions and why such actions can get a member of this board banned. We also have a right to know that others on the board as well as ourselves, are being treated fairly.




I'm not the only one who thinks we have a right to know.


Quote by Dave: I havent defended him, yet. I am just asking for an explenation, and I want to make sure it was for the right reasons. I only have one side of the story. Id like both


[Edited on 8-5-2005 by GSLady17]

[StrayRogue]

According to the TOS that we all agreed too, and the practise that has been used on the PC...forever, we as mere posters don't have a right to know.

[GSLady17]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
According to the TOS that we all agreed too, and the practise that has been used on the PC...forever, we as mere posters don't have a right to know.


But what rule in the TOS did X break?

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Since HarmNone is the only one who is able to ban people, please wait until she is able to respond.

I think he/she meant his original name, Xcalibur.

Not this LibarateX one.

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Since HarmNone is the only one who is able to ban people, please wait until she is able to respond.

Banning has nothing to do with it. It was not a violation and that is obvious. You were wrong to remove the thread and it should be replaced.
I respectfully request that you replace my thread.

Originally posted by DeV
Last I heard, staff did not have to give any of us any reasons why a particular member is banned. Why would they make an exception for you Dave?

This is about my thread being removed. Not weather or not they will give me an explanation.

[CrystalTears]

I'm talking of people wanting to know why he was banned. That's not for me to tell people. Although it being a shock to anyone, including X, is rather surprising to me.

And until HarmNone tells me that the thread is okay, I'm not returning it. I'm sorry.

[peam]

Originally posted by GSLady17

Originally posted by StrayRogue
According to the TOS that we all agreed too, and the practise that has been used on the PC...forever, we as mere posters don't have a right to know.


But what rule in the TOS did X break?

Various ones.

As a touch of advice, establish yourself and learn the methods of the forum before questioning the operations.

I still can't believe anyone is actually taking up for the bastion of retardation that is X.

[GSLady17]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Since HarmNone is the only one who is able to ban people, please wait until she is able to respond.

Wow, don't tell me that one Mod has the power to Ban somone without talking to the other Mods?!?!

You mean to say, that you are a Mod and yet have no clue why he was banned? You can't answer these questions? Only one mod can?

That is more screwed up then I thought.

Which ones Peam? That's what my thread is trying to find out. When it is replaced please explain there.

[StrayRogue]

HarmNone is the head Mod Teeoncy. It isn't that hard to understand.

[GSLady17]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
I'm talking of people wanting to know why he was banned. That's not for me to tell people. Although it being a shock to anyone, including X, is rather surprising to me.

And until HarmNone tells me that the thread is okay, I'm not returning it. I'm sorry.


I see, so you for an EXAMPLE, a Mod could have tried to cyber with him, he turned them down, and you guys decided to ban him.

Doubtful being X, but the point is,

We will NEVER know the truth.

[CrystalTears]

You're showing your horns.

Currently one ADMIN has the power to ban. If she feels it's necessary to explain to everyone the why's, that's up to her. I honestly don't know why people want or need to know the complete basis of why someone was banned in the first place.

[GSLady17]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
HarmNone is the head Mod Teeoncy. It isn't that hard to understand.

No, not at all. But she is ONE person. What is hard to understand is why ONE person has the power on the forum.

No, I don't think more people should be able to ban members. But I think it's messed up that that one person who can Ban people does not have to discuss it with the other members.

[StrayRogue]

I believe, as far as I'm aware she will discuss it with the other Mods. HN has established herself, through years of patient and generally balanced moderation that she is a worthy successor to Caels and now Kranar.

[GSLady17]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
You're showing your horns.

Currently one ADMIN has the power to ban. If she feels it's necessary to explain to everyone the why's, that's up to her. I honestly don't know why people want or need to know the complete basis of why someone was banned in the first place.

Ok, lets say he called a mod a fucking bitch that deserved to die, and would die once he got on a plane and made his way over to the U.S. in a U2U.

Well I'd be happy with you saying,

"X was banned because he insulted and threatened a Mod in private."

hey guys, can we keep this thread about The removed thread, I know i went out on a limb a few times, but when the thread is returned that will be the place for the discussion.

[DeV]

Well damn, GSlady, why don't you either wait until Harmnone has made an appearance or sent her a freaking U2U if you want to know that badly.

Obviously, the mods that have replied have made it crystal clear that HN is the person you need to address your concerns to.

[GSLady17]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
I believe, as far as I'm aware she will discuss it with the other Mods. HN has established herself, through years of patient and generally balanced moderation that she is a worthy successor to Caels and now Kranar.


Then why does she have to explain it? Are the other Mods not smart enough or didn't listen to her when she discussed it with them or explained it to them? HN is not a dumb person. She would explain it so even an idiot could understand it.

So, why can't another Mod tell us?

[StrayRogue]

They won't tell us because they A) Don't have too, and B) probably aren't allowed too.

[CrystalTears]

When you confess to me your issues, I will tell you why someone was banned.

[GSLady17]

Originally posted by DeV
Well damn, GSlady, why don't you either wait until Harmnone has made an appearance or sent her a freaking U2U if you want to know that badly.

Obviously, the mods that have replied have made it crystal clear that HN is the person you need to address your concerns to.


Because the fact is if she is the only smart enough Mod to explain, then we have a problem here.

So crystal removes a thread, that really should not be removed. Dave wasn't saying,
"X says to tell all of you that you suck."

Or anything like that.


The mods can't tell us what he did wrong to get banned.

Sounds like they don't have a reason for X being banned and Daves thread was removed to cover this up.

[StrayRogue]

Everyone who gets banned, and I know this through experience, knows and is let known why they are banned. It isn't anyone elses' buisness and shouldn't be posted in some forum as "This guy was banned because...".

[Leetahkin]

Originally posted by GSLady17

Originally posted by DeV
Well damn, GSlady, why don't you either wait until Harmnone has made an appearance or sent her a freaking U2U if you want to know that badly.

Obviously, the mods that have replied have made it crystal clear that HN is the person you need to address your concerns to.


Because the fact is if she is the only smart enough Mod to explain, then we have a problem here.

So crystal removes a thread, that really should not be removed. Dave wasn't saying,
"X says to tell all of you that you suck."

Or anything like that.


The mods can't tell us what he did wrong to get banned.

Sounds like they don't have a reason for X being banned and Daves thread was removed to cover this up.

It's a pecking order, so to speak. Maybe you understand in office language.

HN is the manager, all the mods are her associates. We are all customers.

When associate has an issue they are uncertain to handle, they go to the manager for guidance.

Comprehend now?

[GSLady17]

Stay on topic, this is not about me we discussed me already. Then fuck telling me.

Why don't you tell the other members who wan't to know. I'm sure Dave isn't the only one.

I know for a fact that there is atleast one person afraid to post and speak up that yes, they think they have a right to know that the members are being treated fairly too.

But they also know how mods and posters can bitch slap someone and send them to the curb.

[Tisket]

GSLady17 is upset because Xcalibur posted an appreciation thread to her.

edited because it was an appreciation thread...not a post.

[Edited on 8-5-2005 by Tisket]

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by GSLady17
What is hard to understand is why ONE person has the power on the forum.

No, I don't think more people should be able to ban members.

Then what the fuck are you talking about?
You are confused because only one person can ban.
But you dont think anyone else should be able to.

:stfu:

[GSLady17]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Everyone who gets banned, and I know this through experience, knows and is let known why they are banned. It isn't anyone elses' buisness and shouldn't be posted in some forum as "This guy was banned because...".


Why? Privacy????

Michael Jackson was found innocent and we still knew what he was accused of. Was what he accused of not private and embarressing for him?


So yes if someone is banned we should know why. Especially if they were found Guilty! If they fucked up, their own fault that people know.

[StrayRogue]

Be greatful Teeoncy. The mods have been kind enough to not disclose whether or not your IP matches up with the woman you claim not to be. I suggest you don't fuck them off when you yourself should be greatful they have a sort of NDA.

[DeV]

Originally posted by GSLady17
Sounds like they don't have a reason for X being banned and Daves thread was removed to cover this up. Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. I'd rather wait to hear what Harmnone has to say about it before subscribing to it.

You and X have history. Why haven't you asked him yourself?

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by GSLady17

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Everyone who gets banned, and I know this through experience, knows and is let known why they are banned. It isn't anyone elses' buisness and shouldn't be posted in some forum as "This guy was banned because...".


Why? Privacy????

Michael Jackson was found innocent and we still knew what he was accused of. Was what he accused of not private and embarressing for him?


So yes if someone is banned we should know why. Especially if they were found Guilty! If they fucked up, their own fault that people know.

This isnt a court of law you fucking idiot.
It is a message board owned by one person who has decided the way the message board should run.
Clear?
Good.
Now shut up.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by GSLady17

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Everyone who gets banned, and I know this through experience, knows and is let known why they are banned. It isn't anyone elses' buisness and shouldn't be posted in some forum as "This guy was banned because...".


Why? Privacy????

Michael Jackson was found innocent and we still knew what he was accused of. Was what he accused of not private and embarressing for him?


So yes if someone is banned we should know why. Especially if they were found Guilty! If they fucked up, their own fault that people know.

Last time I checked this wasn't the American judicial system. And normally, atleast over here, trials and such cases are kept very much secret. With only the case and the verdict being revealed.

[GSLady17]

Originally posted by Nieninque

Originally posted by GSLady17
What is hard to understand is why ONE person has the power on the forum.

No, I don't think more people should be able to ban members.

Then what the fuck are you talking about?
You are confused because only one person can ban.
But you dont think anyone else should be able to.

:stfu:


No because I think HN is the best to make decision IF it was left up to one person.


But it should not be left up to one person, it should be discussed and then handled. HN should have told Crystal along with other Mods why she was banning him and what he did wrong so that they could put in their own input.

Topic please.

[ElanthianSiren]

GSLady, the mods have a thread where they discuss issues with posters.

It's not like HarmNone just up and banned X for no reason.

As 1st level members, we can't see this posting area, but it is there, and often things are debated among mods, but it is common for mods not to discuss the records of other posters with members.

I wouldn't want HarmNone telling, for instance, Dave all the things I'd done wrong over the years.

-M

[Skirmisher]

Is Sarah on here talking about conspiracies?

Thats rich.

[StrayRogue]

Nien said it way better than I could. It isn't a democracy. This place is owned by someone. What they want goes.

[GSLady17]

Originally posted by StrayRogue

Originally posted by GSLady17

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Everyone who gets banned, and I know this through experience, knows and is let known why they are banned. It isn't anyone elses' buisness and shouldn't be posted in some forum as "This guy was banned because...".


Why? Privacy????

Michael Jackson was found innocent and we still knew what he was accused of. Was what he accused of not private and embarressing for him?


So yes if someone is banned we should know why. Especially if they were found Guilty! If they fucked up, their own fault that people know.

Last time I checked this wasn't the American judicial system. And normally, atleast over here, trials and such cases are kept very much secret. With only the case and the verdict being revealed.


And where is over here? I think our judicial system is the best in the world.


Innocent until proven guilty.


Why is X guilty.

[crazymage]

because hes a douche

[DeV]

Originally posted by Dave
Topic please. From what I can gather, you've demanded your thread be reinstated. CT has adamently said she will do so only under the approval of Harmnone.

Not sure what else needs to be said.

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by GSLady17

No because I think HN is the best to make decision IF it was left up to one person.


But it should not be left up to one person, it should be discussed and then handled. HN should have told Crystal along with other Mods why she was banning him and what he did wrong so that they could put in their own input.

You know, if (unlikely I know) but if I were to invite you into my house and instruct you not to sit on the table. I really couldnt give a flying fuck what you do at your house, or what you think should happen...you wont sit on the fucking table.

If I pay to register a web domain and let people post on a message board I set up there, I get to choose what the rules are on my message board on my web domain. If you dont like it, fuck off somewhere else. Thats pretty much Kranar's point of view...and do you know what? I agree with him.

[Chelle]

Originally posted by Nieninque

Originally posted by GSLady17

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Everyone who gets banned, and I know this through experience, knows and is let known why they are banned. It isn't anyone elses' buisness and shouldn't be posted in some forum as "This guy was banned because...".


Why? Privacy????

Michael Jackson was found innocent and we still knew what he was accused of. Was what he accused of not private and embarressing for him?


So yes if someone is banned we should know why. Especially if they were found Guilty! If they fucked up, their own fault that people know.

This isnt a court of law you fucking idiot.
It is a message board owned by one person who has decided the way the message board should run.
Clear?
Good.
Now shut up.

:yeahthat:

:banghead:

[GSLady17]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Nien said it way better than I could. It isn't a democracy. This place is owned by someone. What they want goes.


Yes, one word comes to mind.


Klaive.


And that is what I am getting at. Thank you for the exact definition. I knew someone would make it.


Ok, I'm done now.

[Edited on 8-5-2005 by GSLady17]

[StrayRogue]

Well I'd disagree with you. So too would the family of Nicole Simpson.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by GSLady17

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Nien said it way better than I could. It isn't a democracy. This place is owned by someone. What they want goes.


Yes, one word comes to mind.


Klaive.


And that is what I am getting at. Thank you for the exact definition. I knew someone would make it.


Ok, I'm done now.

Congratulations. You made the connection between two message boards which are both privately owned and run. Wait...does that mean they're run the same...?

[CrystalTears]

Hey Sarah, why don't you go to...

Oh wait you can't. You've been banned from the other two boards.

The moderators aren't disclosing why someone was banned, for the same reasons that we're not posting your IP to out you. So be thankful, nod, walk away and keep out of this.

[StrayRogue]

Owned by CT. I think you should be greatful, Teeoncy. If these mods were anything like Klaive we'd all KNOW you're the same headcase you've been trying so hard to deny.

[GSLady17]

Nope, but how we are not allowed to know why people are banned is the same. Threads were moved that shouldn't have been.

X is banned because of for all we know Nothing.

I think in another post I said something about power getting to peoples heads. It always happens always will. Just took longer for this forum then it did for Klaives.

People might stop bitching about not knowing, or be afraid to bitch, but believe me the thought is always there. In the end, it will come out.

But I'm going to get back to some other things.

Have a good day.

[StrayRogue]

Are you mental?

[GSLady17]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
Hey Sarah, why don't you go to...

Oh wait you can't. You've been banned from the other two boards.

The moderators aren't disclosing why someone was banned, for the same reasons that we're not posting your IP to out you. So be thankful, nod, walk away and keep out of this.


Try another name darlin, that's not the right one.

And stay on topic don't tell me a Mod can't follow the rules.


::Is officially hitting the X button and not reading anymore.::::

[Chelle]

Originally posted by GSLady17
Nope, but how we are not allowed to know why people are banned is the same. Threads were moved that shouldn't have been.

X is banned because of for all we know Nothing.

I think in another post I said something about power getting to peoples heads. It always happens always will. Just took longer for this forum then it did for Klaives.

People might stop bitching about not knowing, or be afraid to bitch, but believe me the thought is always there. In the end, it will come out.

But I'm going to get back to some other things.

Have a good day.

Let's see if a bigger font can help you. It's none of your fucking business why X was banned. Secondly, this thread is about Dave's thread. Durrr, Okay, SARAH?

:banghead: :banghead:

[Edited on 8-5-2005 by Chelle]

[StrayRogue]

You bought me a gun rack??

[Tisket]

Originally posted by GSLady17

People might stop bitching about not knowing, or be afraid to bitch, but believe me the thought is always there. In the end, it will come out.

PC members afraid to bitch?!? What planet do you hail from?

[CrystalTears]

For someone who barely goes to message boards and never posted or came here until mid July, and only went to SR to check on "Sarah" you sure know a lot about the histories of them!

Staff is not required to tell anyone of anyone's ban except to the person banned. Not to anyone else for privacy reasons. And the more you start with your crying like you usually do when you find something unfair, the more it won't be said.

[Brattt8525]

All I know is that he was on a crusade to get banned. He got what he wanted, so what is the problem again?

[DeV]

Originally posted by GSLady17
I think in another post I said something about power getting to peoples heads. It always happens always will.

And to think, X makes one nice thread about the person he formerly knew as Ramen girl or whatever, and the compliment seems to have gone all the way to her head.

I think I sort of know where you're coming from with the power trip thing. Harmnone does not fit that profile.

[Leetahkin]

So since it's way off topic in here...
curious to know what these other forums are that I don't know about.

Might want to check them out.

[ElanthianSiren]

Sarah (or whatever your name is), HarmNone has proven through years of moderate moderating that power does not go to her head.

She is the mod who will turn her cheek in response to insults from posters and say, "Well, if you feel that way, feel free to call me that" -- I saw it first hand in a thread on the Iraq war. There is a world of difference between HN and Klaive IMO.

I'm not the only one who feels this way either: including mods and other posters. Please, if you've only been here two months, take our word for it. HN isn't on a power trip.

-M

[Showal]

I agree. The American Judicial System allows for us to have a jury of our peers. Considering this forum is based out of the US, this rule should still apply. In order for X to be banned, he has to have to be allowed to pick out a jury. He must also be allowed to confront his accusers, in this case - the mods, face to face. I think we should have this case run in my basement. This is the only fair and just way to conduct the banning. At the end of the trial, the results will be posted at the front page of the Players' Corner. The evidence used will also be published. In addition, the trial will be taped and released to the general public at the conclusion of the trial.

Don't worry, Sarah ... we'll show them how a web forum is properly run.

[HarmNone]

An Email was sent to Xcalibur outlining his infractions, spelling out his points, and defining the length of his ban. He's full of shit and just out to disrupt. Naturally, he found idiot-Dave to play in his playpen with him.

Well Harmnone now that you are here about my thread?

[HarmNone]

Your original thread has been merged with this thread, Dave...sans the screenshots, and posts, from Xcalibur.

CrystalTears made exactly the right decision. She moved the thread to the Staff area until a decision can be made.

[Edited on 8-5-2005 by HarmNone]

[Atlanteax]

Originally posted by Dave
Thats why I am asking Arkans. I want to know.

Call me the ACLU of the players corner.

Dave, your self-esteem must be so low if you'd compare yourself to a politically-obssessed cancer that plagues our legal system.

:no:

[Doyle Hargraves]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
I honestly don't know why people want or need to know the complete basis of why someone was banned in the first place.

For the same reasons why people want to know all sorts of other useless information, like what kind of dog food Britney Spears buys for her dog, or why the Olsen twins went to a bar and got wasted while wearing pink shoes: Pointless curiosity.

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't pointlessly curious too though.


I think in another post I said something about power getting to peoples heads. It always happens always will. Just took longer for this forum then it did for Klaives.

If it were anyone but HarmNone, I might agree.

HarmNone is the opposite of Klaive.

[Artha]

X's only purpose here was to be disruptive. After the ToJ fiasco, he was trying to be banned so that he could play the martyr. Now he's got his wish, I hope he's enjoying it.

Originally posted by Atlanteax

Originally posted by Dave
Thats why I am asking Arkans. I want to know.

Call me the ACLU of the players corner.

Dave, your self-esteem must be so low if you'd compare yourself to a politically-obssessed cancer that plagues our legal system.

:no:
:( you of all people I hope got the joke :sniffle:

[DeV]

Can you start making them funny at least...

Just a simple request.

[HarmNone]

My Yahoo account is convinced the email has been sent. I think they're more reliable than Xcalibur's word. This is what it has to say about the email (copy of my original, sent on 8/3):

Sent To Subject Date Size
vickyetdonald@ videotron.com A copy of the email I sent you: Fri 08/05 19k

i hope that wasent copied and pasted. the " " (space) would make the address invalid.

[Back]

ITS A CONSPIRACY!~

[HarmNone]

Umm, Dave...if the email wasn't sendable, or if it wasn't deliverable, Yahoo mail would notify me of same. It is their practice.

Nope, just a small mistake.

[HarmNone]

I received the following notice from Yahoo:

Your message

Subject: A copy of the email I sent you:

was not delivered to:

vickyetdonald@videotron.com

because:

User vickyetdonald (vickyetdonald@videotron.com) not listed in public
Name & Address Book

I have tried to send it again. We'll see where it goes. If the address is undeliverable, there's little I can do.

[HarmNone]

I found my error! It should have been videotron.ca, instead of videotron.com. I believe it's rectified and a copy of the original email has been sent.

Originally posted by Skirmisher
We do not owe Dave so much as oxygen to breathe.

I say keep this thread deleted and ignore the fool.

We see how it works behind closed doors.

[Skirmisher]

I'll say it to your face Dave.

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Confusion much? I'm glad I've got TOTAL verification that when you told me your gf wouldn't touch you in bed that you were actually, for once, telling the truth. Pwned.

Any member who posts invasive or insulting content of a personal nature against another member of the Players’ Corner is in violation of the forum policy and subject to a violation count increase of at least 4 and at most 8. Content is said to be of a personal nature if it can be deemed to in any way critically point at the more intimate and unique aspects of a member and is not to be confused with content of a general nature.

[Ilvane]

Dave, go find something to do..

I'm heading out myself.;) hehe.

-A

[Ravenstorm]

Now Dave just needs to start pointing out every off topic post someone makes and he'll be TOJ in truth.

Raven

Originally posted by Skirmisher
I'll say it to your face Dave.

Im sure you would Skirmisher, but whats the point of it aside from disrupting the forums. Much like what was stated about the police officer who maced the girl, it seems he had a emotional tie to what was going on and should have removed himself from the situation and let somebody else handle it. ( i think maybe even you said that once, but im not sure and to lazy to thumb though the thread, if im wrong im sure you will correct me.)

Good advice for you in the future perhaps.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Dave

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Confusion much? I'm glad I've got TOTAL verification that when you told me your gf wouldn't touch you in bed that you were actually, for once, telling the truth. Pwned.

Any member who posts invasive or insulting content of a personal nature against another member of the Players’ Corner is in violation of the forum policy and subject to a violation count increase of at least 4 and at most 8. Content is said to be of a personal nature if it can be deemed to in any way critically point at the more intimate and unique aspects of a member and is not to be confused with content of a general nature.

I might be more inclined to sympathy, Dave, if YOU hadn't quoted the subject post TWICE. That made it pretty clear to me that you weren't concerned about it, and didn't consider it to reveal anything you held to be extremely personal.

Now, had you reported the post, the reaction would have been different. Once you quote the post, calling attention to it yourself, it must be left us to assume that the matter is not particularly person, nor offensive, to you.

[TheRoseLady]

Originally posted by Dave

Originally posted by Skirmisher
We do not owe Dave so much as oxygen to breathe.

I say keep this thread deleted and ignore the fool.

We see how it works behind closed doors.

That is kind of like talking about the customer when you think they are on hold. :lol:

Originally posted by Ravenstorm
Now Dave just needs to start pointing out every off topic post someone makes and he'll be TOJ in truth.

Raven

I think that one post did well to make my point. Of those who witnessed the thread that got X banned, they should be able to understand exactly what I am talking about.

Out of respect for a promis I just made I, will let the specific subject go, unless given what I see as a valid reason to bring it up again :). (that last bit was just for those of you who try to use my words against me)

The hypocrisy however is there clear as day, one person was assessed points for personal insults. Another who made just as many in the same thread at the same time was not.

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by Dave

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Confusion much? I'm glad I've got TOTAL verification that when you told me your gf wouldn't touch you in bed that you were actually, for once, telling the truth. Pwned.

Any member who posts invasive or insulting content of a personal nature against another member of the Players’ Corner is in violation of the forum policy and subject to a violation count increase of at least 4 and at most 8. Content is said to be of a personal nature if it can be deemed to in any way critically point at the more intimate and unique aspects of a member and is not to be confused with content of a general nature.

I might be more inclined to sympathy, Dave, if YOU hadn't quoted the subject post TWICE. That made it pretty clear to me that you weren't concerned about it, and didn't consider it to reveal anything you held to be extremely personal.

Now, had you reported the post, the reaction would have been different. Once you quote the post, calling attention to it yourself, it must be left us to assume that the matter is not particularly person, nor offensive, to you.

I'm not sure if you got it, but that wasn't about me it was about X. You might have though and I missed the point of your post.

So for clarification on TOS, posts are only considered of a personal nature if they are reported?

[StrayRogue]

It's nice to know you have complete knowledge of exactly how these forums work including all the points given to myself and other posters as well as all U2U's informing said posters about said points. It's certainly reassuring to know someone as smart as you is on the case.

If you would like to continue this discussion please send me a U2U strayrogue, if not ill just igore it from this point on.

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Dave
I think that one post did well to make my point. Of those who witnessed the thread that got X banned, they should be able to understand exactly what I am talking about.

Out of respect for a promis I just made I, will let the specific subject go, unless given what I see as a valid reason to bring it up again :). (that last bit was just for those of you who try to use my words against me)

The hypocrisy however is there clear as day, one person was assessed points for personal insults. Another who made just as many in the same thread at the same time was not.

Good fucking grief

Do you get told how many points other people get?

No, of course you dont.

So how about you :stfu:

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Dave
If you would like to continue this discussion please send me a U2U strayrogue, if not ill just igore it from this point on.

Of course you will. Because you're a fucking hypocrite who is in touch with 1% of the facts in this case. You cannot for certain say IF any points were given to me or if I've recieved any U2U's about my posts or my posting conduct. You don't get to know that information because no one beyond the Mods gets to know that information. So anything you say about this being done to X and this not being done to me is total fucking bullshit for the simple fact that you do not know what the fuck goes on behind the scenes.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Dave
The hypocrisy however is there clear as day, one person was assessed points for personal insults. Another who made just as many in the same thread at the same time was not.

I bet you a $100 you can't explain how you know this with proof to back it up beyond Xcalibur's word.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Dave

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by Dave

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Confusion much? I'm glad I've got TOTAL verification that when you told me your gf wouldn't touch you in bed that you were actually, for once, telling the truth. Pwned.

Any member who posts invasive or insulting content of a personal nature against another member of the Players’ Corner is in violation of the forum policy and subject to a violation count increase of at least 4 and at most 8. Content is said to be of a personal nature if it can be deemed to in any way critically point at the more intimate and unique aspects of a member and is not to be confused with content of a general nature.

I might be more inclined to sympathy, Dave, if YOU hadn't quoted the subject post TWICE. That made it pretty clear to me that you weren't concerned about it, and didn't consider it to reveal anything you held to be extremely personal.

Now, had you reported the post, the reaction would have been different. Once you quote the post, calling attention to it yourself, it must be left us to assume that the matter is not particularly person, nor offensive, to you.

I'm not sure if you got it, but that wasn't about me it was about X. You might have though and I missed the point of your post.

So for clarification on TOS, posts are only considered of a personal nature if they are reported?

I'll try to clarify the painfully clear:

If YOU, YOURSELF, DAVE (the supposedly personally insulted person), QUOTE the freaking post (thereby drawing attention to the purported insult), not once but TWICE, I figure you don't consider it a personal insult.

If I see what I feel is a personal insult toward me, you can be sure I'll report it and ask that it be removed, not QUOTE it so everybody will be absolutely certain to SEE it.

It ain't rocket science. If you quote something, then later try to argue that you were personally insulted by the something you repeated in your own post, the something will not be addressed as a personal insult. By quoting it, you have made it clear that it was okay with you if it was posted in the first place. You REPOSTED the freaking thing!:banghead:

I can not, I am left but to assume. But by comments made in the thread It appears the personal insults need to be reported for them to be considered for accumulation of points.

"Now, had you reported the post, the reaction would have been different"

[StrayRogue]

Thanks for playing. By the way, assumptions are the mother of all fuck ups. Don't they teach you that in remedial gun school?

[Nieninque]

:jerkit:

[Tisket]

Originally posted by TheRoseLady
[quote]
That is kind of like talking about the customer when you think they are on hold. :lol:

I did this once. Called a customer a jackass after hitting hold. Except I pressed the wrong button. I miss that job.

[Snapp]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
It's nice to know you have complete knowledge of exactly how these forums work including all the points given to myself and other posters as well as all U2U's informing said posters about said points. It's certainly reassuring to know someone as smart as you is on the case.
They don't call him Detective Dave for nothin! :rolleyes:

[Latrinsorm]

When I find porno some loser left in the stacks, I don't have to get a supervisor to come carry it downstairs. I'm perfectly capable of carrying it down myself. You can say that people *should* use report, but that repost logic doesn't hang at all, especially if people have a lack of trust for report/u2u.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
When I find porno some loser left in the stacks, I don't have to get a supervisor to come carry it downstairs. I'm perfectly capable of carrying it down myself. You can say that people *should* use report, but that repost logic doesn't hang at all, especially if people have a lack of trust for report/u2u.

Your distrusts are your issue, Latrinsorm. That is something you'll have to come to terms with, and to deal with in your own way. I'm telling you how it is seen here. What you do is your decision.

[Latrinsorm]

You could probably clear up a lot of these problems if you didn't say you were better able to judge peoples' motivations and feelings than the people themselves. Your call though.

[HarmNone]

That's just the point, Latrinsorm. Without a Report letting us know that a post is, in some way, striking at a unique and personal part of a person's life, we have no way of knowing.

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
When I find porno some loser left in the stacks, I don't have to get a supervisor to come carry it downstairs. I'm perfectly capable of carrying it down myself. You can say that people *should* use report, but that repost logic doesn't hang at all, especially if people have a lack of trust for report/u2u.

To conitnue using your analogy...

Not only didn't you call a supervisor, you didn't carry it downstairs either. In fact, you just mentioned it to others. "Hey, did you notice the porn in the stacks?" "Wow, there's porn in the stacks."

Twice, you pointed out the porn in the stacks but in no way did you indicate that it bothered you. And then you complain later that it's there. Your offense at its existence loses some credibility by that time.

It's not a difficult concept to understand.

Raven

[Latrinsorm]

The important point is that porn is clearly not supposed to be in the library stacks (laws), the same as personal insults are clearly not supposed to be in the PC (TOS). If I mention it to a passing supervisor and she (oddly enough, all my supervisors are female) just wanders off, there is a problem. If Dave sees Harmnone reading a thread and Harmnone ignores the clear TOS violations (even after he brings it up!!), there is a problem.

Now, the (a) question is: can points be assessed without the violation being deleted? If so, Dave's point is wholly without merit. For all he knows Stray got 49 points for that post. I don't think the system would have much point if the violations were left lying around, though.

[HarmNone]

What is an "intimate and unique aspect" of a given person's life, Latrinsorm? Do you know? Do I? No. We only know what is intimate and unique to our own lives. Dave doesn't have any idea what's "intimate and unique" to another member. Only that member knows that. If a member finds that an "intimate and unique" aspect of his/her life has been denigrated on these boards, that member needs to Report the post. Nobody else can make the call because nobody else can define those things for that specific member.

Please read the paragraph concerning Personal Insults in the Violations system, under Announcements. It makes it quite clear that it considers only "intimate and unique aspects" to qualify as personal insults for the purpose of assessing points. It further clarifies that general insults are not to be considered.

Latrin, basically somebody has to complain for it to be considered a violation. No matter how clear as day it appears to other people that TOS is violated.

Foolish if you ask me, but :shrug:

[Jolena]

Actually she said it has to be reported by the person involved if the TOS violation is a personal insult. Not that any violation must be reported. Just clarifying since everyone is getting so technical.

Wow jolena some things are obvious without saying, that happened to be one of them.

[Terminator X]

I totally agree with Dave. He is just super correct. He is an awesome guy. Everyone is wrong except for Dave.

The plain document reads, "Master Dave has unleashed the hounds."

>wtrick app Dave
The Dave appears to be just super.

.

There, now :stfu:

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Dave
Latrin, basically somebody has to complain for it to be considered a violation. No matter how clear as day it appears to other people that TOS is violated.

Foolish if you ask me, but :shrug:

That's because you (and Latrinsorm, for that matter) are not qualified to determine what is insulting, on an intimate and unique level, to another, Dave. You are only qualified to determine what is insulting, on that level, to you.

Harmnone, I can not speak for X, but I have a good feeling that it would be considered insulting by him. It is very likely we spoke on the matter. If needed so things may be cleared up I can can him to email you.

[HarmNone]

His answer was to Report the post he considered to have violated that section of the Violations system at the time it was posted. That's what I've been trying to tell you.

Bringing the horse out of the barn after the barn has burned is just a little late.

[Kainen]

Originally posted by Terminator X
I totally agree with Dave. He is just super correct. He is an awesome guy. Everyone is wrong except for Dave.

The plain document reads, "Master Dave has unleashed the hounds."

>wtrick app Dave
The Dave appears to be just super.

.

There, now :stfu:

:lol::lol::lol:

:shakes his head:
Loop holes abound.

[Kainen]

Originally posted by Dave
:shakes his head:
Loop holes abound.

What the hell is wrong with you? These boards aren't America where you can argue freedoms, or loop holes, or even what's right and wrong. We have been given the gift to post here in exchange for following the TOS. Non-mods don't really have the right to question mods. Honestly I am sick of you constantly trying to make yourself out to be some kind of saviour to the "unfairly treated" here on PC. For whatever reason Xcaliber was banned. They don't have to tell you or anyone else but X why he was banned. Please.. get over yourself.

[HarmNone]

Heh. I could put up a poll to determine how many posters here would like to have you, Dave, determine what is a intimate and unique insult to them, as opposed to determining for themselves.

I'll refrain, however, since I doubt you'd be pleased with the answer. Most people like to have some say in what they consider an insult. The vast majority, I am sure, would not like to abdicate that choice to you, or to me. They'd rather let us know themselves.

[Edaarin]

Just think of Harmnone as President Bush and yourself as that dangerous minority.

My questions as to why he was banned were answered, no matter if they had to tell me or not.

What you are and are not sick of mean little to me. TOS is the vital point in it all. As was stated X did not receive a reason as to why he was banned, and no mention of it was made. At the time it appeared very suspicious. The problem as since been corrected, and now it is only in question as to if the TOS was applied correctly in this situation.
It has been stated that the only way for insults of a personal nature to be considered just that, they must be reported as such at the time, which is something i don't believe anyone here really knew. It was never stated in TOS, nor elsewhere on the boards. It has been made crystal clear now though.

I am sorry that you don't care to see the posts on the matter Kainen. It is quite obvious what the topic of the threads are. I suggest you refrain from reading threads in the "Staff Issues" folder in the future if it bothers you so much.


As an aside. The whole these are owned by this person argument doesn't really fly. There are rules set fourth by Karnar for a reason, the most obvious of which is to be followed.
The same argument was made quite a bit on Klaive.net in defence of his actions, and shot down by some of the posters who have brought it up here, which is interesting to say the least.
Dont worry I am not relating the two sites to each other, the PC is a far better run site, both for the rules and the staff that work for it.

[TheRoseLady]

Originally posted by Kainen

Originally posted by Dave
:shakes his head:
Loop holes abound.

What the hell is wrong with you? These boards aren't America where you can argue freedoms, or loop holes, or even what's right and wrong. We have been given the gift to post here in exchange for following the TOS. Non-mods don't really have the right to question mods. Honestly I am sick of you constantly trying to make yourself out to be some kind of saviour to the "unfairly treated" here on PC. For whatever reason Xcaliber was banned. They don't have to tell you or anyone else but X why he was banned. Please.. get over yourself.

There's already enough folks who have joined the pack tonight, why not just let Dave have his say?

While I may not agree with Dave here, I can say that I understand his frustration - as I believe Latrin does. Until you have experienced it, it's a bit hard to understand that things can be quite complicated and appear a bit too political at times. Though I must admit that both sides can be guilty of infractions. Players and mods.

If nothing else the admonishments should be going out to the one who used to make it a sport of baiting X into one line pissing matches and was doing a damn good job of it today with Dave.

eh, what do I know? :shrug:

Originally posted by HarmNone
Heh. I could put up a poll to determine how many posters here would like to have you, Dave, determine what is a intimate and unique insult to them, as opposed to determining for themselves.

I'll refrain, however, since I doubt you'd be pleased with the answer. Most people like to have some say in what they consider an insult. The vast majority, I am sure, would not like to abdicate that choice to you, or to me. They'd rather let us know themselves.
I didn't know I said I wanted to be the one to make that choice. The report button is not always the first thing on somebody's mind when the things in question are brought up. The understanding of that is key to what I am saying.
If somebody was to attack you with some of the information we discussed in u2U's I think a mod should be able to determine that the persons attacks were in violation of the clause in question.

[Edited on 8-6-2005 by Dave]

[Snapp]

Originally posted by TheRoseLady
If nothing else the admonishments should be going out to the one who used to make it a sport of baiting X into one line pissing matches and was doing a damn good job of it today with Dave.

eh, what do I know? :shrug:
How do you know there weren't admonishments given out? Please don't assume.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by TheRoseLady

Originally posted by Kainen

Originally posted by Dave
:shakes his head:
Loop holes abound.

What the hell is wrong with you? These boards aren't America where you can argue freedoms, or loop holes, or even what's right and wrong. We have been given the gift to post here in exchange for following the TOS. Non-mods don't really have the right to question mods. Honestly I am sick of you constantly trying to make yourself out to be some kind of saviour to the "unfairly treated" here on PC. For whatever reason Xcaliber was banned. They don't have to tell you or anyone else but X why he was banned. Please.. get over yourself.

There's already enough folks who have joined the pack tonight, why not just let Dave have his say?

While I may not agree with Dave here, I can say that I understand his frustration - as I believe Latrin does. Until you have experienced it, it's a bit hard to understand that things can be quite complicated and appear a bit too political at times. Though I must admit that both sides can be guilty of infractions. Players and mods.

If nothing else the admonishments should be going out to the one who used to make it a sport of baiting X into one line pissing matches and was doing a damn good job of it today with Dave.

eh, what do I know? :shrug:

Problem is, because of privacy issues, you won't know whether such admonitions are going out, or have gone out, TRL.

Originally posted by TheRoseLady

Originally posted by Kainen

Originally posted by Dave
:shakes his head:
Loop holes abound.

What the hell is wrong with you? These boards aren't America where you can argue freedoms, or loop holes, or even what's right and wrong. We have been given the gift to post here in exchange for following the TOS. Non-mods don't really have the right to question mods. Honestly I am sick of you constantly trying to make yourself out to be some kind of saviour to the "unfairly treated" here on PC. For whatever reason Xcaliber was banned. They don't have to tell you or anyone else but X why he was banned. Please.. get over yourself.

There's already enough folks who have joined the pack tonight, why not just let Dave have his say?

While I may not agree with Dave here, I can say that I understand his frustration - as I believe Latrin does. Until you have experienced it, it's a bit hard to understand that things can be quite complicated and appear a bit too political at times. Though I must admit that both sides can be guilty of infractions. Players and mods.

If nothing else the admonishments should be going out to the one who used to make it a sport of baiting X into one line pissing matches and was doing a damn good job of it today with Dave.

eh, what do I know? :shrug:

To my credit TRL I think i have been very civil in all of this, as have many of the people who have added their opinions, both agreeing and dissenting.
But I appreciate the support on the matter, coming from you it means quite a bit. :)

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Dave

Originally posted by HarmNone
Heh. I could put up a poll to determine how many posters here would like to have you, Dave, determine what is a intimate and unique insult to them, as opposed to determining for themselves.

I'll refrain, however, since I doubt you'd be pleased with the answer. Most people like to have some say in what they consider an insult. The vast majority, I am sure, would not like to abdicate that choice to you, or to me. They'd rather let us know themselves.
I didn't know I said I wanted to be the one to make that choice. The report button is not always the first thing on somebody's mind when the things in question are brought up. The understanding of that is key to what I am saying.
If somebody was to attack you with some of the information we discussed in u2U's I think a mod should be able to determine that the persons attacks were in violation of the clause in question.

[Edited on 8-6-2005 by Dave]

Which is why I'm making every effort to explain to people how important "The Report button" is.

Yes I see that, but prior to this incident, people didn't know.

[Chelle]

OMG!!111!!

BUT, BUT WE HAVE TO KNOW WHEN and Why EVERYONE GETS BANNED!!!11!!!

YOU BOOH BOOH! hehehahaeoeohehoho

:rolleyes:

[Kainen]

Here you are Dave.. just to refresh your memory..


The Administrator may, at his or her sole discretion and at any time, discontinue any and/or all services, with or without notice. You agree that any termination of your access to the Players’ Corner under any provision of these Terms of Service may be affected without prior notice, and you acknowledge and agree that the Administrator may immediately remove all Content or terminate access to the Players’ Corner. Finally, you agree that the Players’ Corner and its Staff shall not be liable to you or any third-party for any termination of your access to the Players’ Corner and its services.

Yes, I know, we have the power to do whatever we want whenever we want. I understand it well. However, it does not mean I have to agree with it. The only way to change a flawed system is to speak out against it and attempt to change it.

[HarmNone]

Yours is not the first voice to proclaim the unfairness of TOS, Dave. I'm sure it won't be the last. TOS has not been changed to remove the clause that gives the Administrator the right to remove a poster at his/her discretion, with or without warning. I doubt very seriously that it will be. In fact, I doubt very seriously that you'll find any message board of merit, anywhere, that does not have that clause, or one very similar to it. It is there for the protection of the board and its membership.

As I've said before, I've not had to use that clause. I don't know if Kranar has ever had to use it. It is there for a purpose, and I remain convinced that it will remain, whether you think it "flawed", or not.

[Tisket]

I'd bet a weeks wages Dave has OCD.

[TheRoseLady]

Originally posted by Snapp

Originally posted by TheRoseLady
If nothing else the admonishments should be going out to the one who used to make it a sport of baiting X into one line pissing matches and was doing a damn good job of it today with Dave.

eh, what do I know? :shrug:
How do you know there weren't admonishments given out? Please don't assume.

Actually, I reread my post and I can see where it was very easy to assume that I meant points from mods. I meant the pack that is after Dave and is giving a free pass to the others.



[Edited on 8-6-2005 by TheRoseLady]

Harmnone I don't really care to get into this here, we have had the discussion many times. I will continue to respond though so it is up to you.


You have used the, "I am the admin, and it was removed because I said so" clause you could say. Things that in fact do not violate TOS, but at your arbitrary discretion you decide that you don't want it on the boards so you pull it. So although you have not used that specific incarnation of what is stated, similar reasoning is commonplace in different situations where no violation occurred.

[Snapp]

I read what you originally wrote, TRL, and I'm sorry if my post came across condescending... I really didn't mean it to be. It's just we hear so much "Well so-and-so gets away with this and that." Whereas, they didn't see that "so-and-so" has already had 20 posts removed, but due to privacy issues we can't say anything.

[Edited on 8-6-2005 by Snapp]

[Skirmisher]

That quoted part of Tos has existed for as long as the PC has existed as far as I know.

I don't see it being changed anytime soon.

[Messiah]

People Need To Own Up And Calm The Fuck Down. Do I Have To Do This All By Myself? Fuck. You Know Who You Are.

[Kainen]

Originally posted by Dave
Yes, I know, we have the power to do whatever we want whenever we want. I understand it well. However, it does not mean I have to agree with it. The only way to change a flawed system is to speak out against it and attempt to change it.

You DID agree to it when you registered.

[Tisket]

There ya go Dave, you've incurred the wrath of God. Good job.

[Messiah]

Originally posted by Tisket
There ya go Dave, you've incurred the wrath of God. Good job.

Hey Now. I Do Not Hate. I Am Just Guidance. Dave Is A Child Of This Universe Like All Of Us.

[Tisket]

I will bet a weeks wages God is suffering from multiple personalities. Angry one moment, soothing the next...no wonder the Bible is so damn confusing.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Dave
Harmnone I don't really care to get into this here, we have had the discussion many times. I will continue to respond though so it is up to you.


You have used the, "I am the admin, and it was removed because I said so" clause you could say. Things that in fact do not violate TOS, but at your arbitrary discretion you decide that you don't want it on the boards so you pull it. So although you have not used that specific incarnation of what is stated, similar reasoning is commonplace in different situations where no violation occurred.

Dave, you're mixing up parts of the TOS. Kranar has given the moderator of each folder the discretion to decide what is proper to remain in their particular folder and what is not. He has also given that power to the supermoderators across the boards as a whole. That has nothing to do with the section of TOS we were discussing that allows the removal of a member at the administrator's discretion. Let's keep our subjects separated when they are, in fact, separate.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Dave
Yes I see that, but prior to this incident, people didn't know.

We've discussed the need to Report offensive posts more times than I care to remember on these boards, Dave. If people don't know, it's not because they haven't had the chance to find out.

Originally posted by Kainen

Originally posted by Dave
Yes, I know, we have the power to do whatever we want whenever we want. I understand it well. However, it does not mean I have to agree with it. The only way to change a flawed system is to speak out against it and attempt to change it.

You DID agree to it when you registered.
I refer you back to my previous post on the matter.

[Messiah]

Originally posted by Tisket
I will bet a weeks wages God is suffering from multiple personalities. Angry one moment, soothing the next...no wonder the Bible is so damn confusing.

Your Weeks Wages Are Mine. LOL.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by TheRoseLady

Originally posted by Snapp

Originally posted by TheRoseLady
If nothing else the admonishments should be going out to the one who used to make it a sport of baiting X into one line pissing matches and was doing a damn good job of it today with Dave.

eh, what do I know? :shrug:
How do you know there weren't admonishments given out? Please don't assume.

Actually, I reread my post and I can see where it was very easy to assume that I meant points from mods. I meant the pack that is after Dave and is giving a free pass to the others.



[Edited on 8-6-2005 by TheRoseLady]

Again, the point arises that you do not know whether or not such admonitions have been issued, TRl.

Dave started this thread, and the responses he's received have been directed at things he's said here. If you start a thread, not everyone is going to agree with you, and some are going to be pretty adamant about it. That's a fact of these boards, and has always been so.

I have tried to explain to Dave, both here and in U2U, some things he thought he knew but, actually, had no clue about. I'm not angry, and I understand the reason for the questions. Some of them can and will be answered. Others cannot and will not, due to privacy issues.

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by Dave
Harmnone I don't really care to get into this here, we have had the discussion many times. I will continue to respond though so it is up to you.


You have used the, "I am the admin, and it was removed because I said so" clause you could say. Things that in fact do not violate TOS, but at your arbitrary discretion you decide that you don't want it on the boards so you pull it. So although you have not used that specific incarnation of what is stated, similar reasoning is commonplace in different situations where no violation occurred.

Dave, you're mixing up parts of the TOS. Kranar has given the moderator of each folder the discretion to decide what is proper to remain in their particular folder and what is not. He has also given that power to the supermoderators across the boards as a whole. That has nothing to do with the section of TOS we were discussing that allows the removal of a member at the administrator's discretion. Let's keep our subjects separated when they are, in fact, separate.

So then what is the point of having a TOS if it is all completely arbitrary and up to the mod/super-mod/admin?
Just so one of the above can find a clause to point at when they "DECIDE" to give somebody a violation, since the decision to enforce any violations in their own right are arbitrary and up to the Mod/super-mod/admin. So in the end a Mod/Super-mod/Admin can never do any wrong, because, they are in fact completely in control of everything under them, no matter if it relates to TOS or not.

[Ilvane]

Dave, do you really care or are you just bored?

-A

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by TheRoseLady

Originally posted by Snapp

Originally posted by TheRoseLady
If nothing else the admonishments should be going out to the one who used to make it a sport of baiting X into one line pissing matches and was doing a damn good job of it today with Dave.

eh, what do I know? :shrug:
How do you know there weren't admonishments given out? Please don't assume.

Actually, I reread my post and I can see where it was very easy to assume that I meant points from mods. I meant the pack that is after Dave and is giving a free pass to the others.



[Edited on 8-6-2005 by TheRoseLady]

Again, the point arises that you do not know whether or not such admonitions have been issued, TRl.

Dave started this thread, and the responses he's received have been directed at things he's said here. If you start a thread, not everyone is going to agree with you, and some are going to be pretty adamant about it. That's a fact of these boards, and has always been so.

I have tried to explain to Dave, both here and in U2U, some things he thought he knew but, actually, had no clue about. I'm not angry, and I understand the reason for the questions. Some of them can and will be answered. Others cannot and will not, due to privacy issues.

Lets not get into the "I thought you knew game" As has been pointed out in this thread alone as well as in u2u's by your own admission as to the amount of points needed to be removed form the boards and the email you sent to X which tallied up said points. Just as your "I SENT HIM AN EMAIL!", oh opps I didn't, which in fact would have caused a lot less grief in this situation had the email been sent to the correct address and it would not have appeared to be a stealthy maneuver to remove him from the boards in the first place.

Originally posted by Ilvane
Dave, do you really care or are you just bored?

-A
Yes...

[Edited on 8-6-2005 by Dave]

[Skirmisher]

But Dave. NONE of this is something even REMOTELY new.

It is Tos. It was Tos. It will continue to be Tos.

It's like getting angry at the sun for coming up and being bright.

[HarmNone]

I didn't write the TOS. Kranar did. You'd have to address your concerns regarding the document to him.

If a post is removed at moderator/supermoderator discretion, it's moved to the staff folder for me (or Kranar) to look at. As in the case of your thread, if it's deemed to be okay, it will be returned. Any sections deemed to be not okay will be removed.

A mod or supermod cannot decide whether someone receives points for a violation. Only an admin can make that decision.

When it gets down to the bottom line, Dave, you're right on target. Kranar is the Administrator of these boards. The TOS and Violations system are his. It is up to him how these boards run. He has the final say, and in that light, he can do no wrong in relation to these boards. In his absence, he has given that dubious honor to me. I will not, however, be changing TOS or the Violations system in his absence.

Originally posted by Skirmisher
But Dave. NONE of this is something even REMOTELY new.

It is Tos. It was Tos. It will continue to be Tos.

It's like getting angry at the sun for coming up and being bright.
And it has as of late, which is starting to anger me.

[Messiah]

Anger Is The Dark Side.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Dave
Just as your "I SENT HIM AN EMAIL!", oh opps I didn't, which in fact would have caused a lot less grief in this situation had the email been sent to the correct address and it would not have appeared to be a stealthy maneuver to remove him from the boards in the first place.

Umm, Dave...my Yahoo account has still not belched up the original email, which was sent to the .ca address. The last two I sent, I mistyped the address, but not on the first one. While I can't guarantee he got that email, I can say that my Yahoo account did not report it as undelivered.

[Jolena]

HN why do you continue to explain that to him? Honestly, you've explained yourself once already (which is more then you had to do in all reality). Don't let this get to you sweetie, if in fact it is. I just have this sense that the mods are starting to get really fed up and stressed from all the attacks and 'staff issues' threads being started by the 3 or 4 fuck ups on these boards.

[Ravenstorm]

Seriously, you don't need to cater to him or answer his demands. X has your email and if he wants to make an issue of things with you, he can do so. If Dave isn't happy, he knows what bookmark not to visit.

Raven

[HarmNone]

Heh. It's not getting to me, hon. I really don't mind explaining things if people don't understand. There are parts of TOS, and of the Violations system, that are a bit ambiguous, even amorphous, in my opinion. I don't mind clarifying them, as we've often had to clarify them with Kranar through the staff folders.

If I can clarify an issue, that makes for fewer problems in future, both for the posters and the staff. :)

I didn't know I was a fuck up on the board. Thanks for informing me though. It is a RARE rare day that I ever violate TOS, id venture to say Once in the last year, if not longer, and that was for saying something was gay.
You might want to take some of the advice that people have suggested about assuming.

Originally posted by Ravenstorm
Seriously, you don't need to cater to him or answer his demands. X has your email and if he wants to make an issue of things with you, he can do so. If Dave isn't happy, he knows what bookmark not to visit.

Raven

It has already been stated here by Harmnone that any issues that X has are baseless at this point because he did not report them at the time of the infraction. I think you might want to read more than just the last post next time.

Not to mention ravenstorm, the only demand that I made at all was the return of the thread. The rest was just questions i wanted answers for, which mostly have been addressed.
Although I disagree with some of the answers, Harmnone handled it in a satisfactory manner (minus a few petty jabs).

[Edited on 8-6-2005 by Dave]

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Ravenstorm
Seriously, you don't need to cater to him or answer his demands. X has your email and if he wants to make an issue of things with you, he can do so. If Dave isn't happy, he knows what bookmark not to visit.

Raven

Heh. As far as Dave is concerned, I'm happy to answer his questions; particularly, when the answers to those questions might help other posters to better understand how TOS and the Violation system works. :)

[Gan]

Originally posted by HarmNoneUmm, Dave...my Yahoo account has still not belched up the original email, which was sent to the .ca address. The last two I sent, I mistyped the address, but not on the first one. While I can't guarantee he got that email, I can say that my Yahoo account did not report it as undelivered.

I think .ca, or things relating to, is the underlying root of some (most) [all] of the problem(s). :cool:

HOHOHOHOHOHOHO

IT did play a good part, as well as the comments made in the thread, where X was banned from, and the lack of a banned title given to X. As you can see all you Left Wingers, conspiracy theories can be wrong.

[ElanthianSiren]

Originally posted by Dave
It has been stated that the only way for insults of a personal nature to be considered just that, they must be reported as such at the time, which is something i don't believe anyone here really knew.

I knew, and I know there's at least one other poster who was informed.

-M

Wow, :clap:
I didn't, and know quite a few who also did not.
So what was the point of that?

[Edited on 8-6-2005 by Dave]

[ElanthianSiren]

Originally posted by Dave
Wow, :clap:
I didn't, and know quite a few who also did not.
So what was the point of that?

[Edited on 8-6-2005 by Dave]

You said, "I don't believe anyone". Two people are someone. Also, it just takes reading the announcement folder... kinda like news.

-M

Nowhere in TOS did it say it had to be reported, and that there is the basis of law on the boards.
and you're right, lets change that to "most" since schematics seem to be important.

[Edited on 8-6-2005 by Dave]

[ElanthianSiren]

Originally posted by Dave
Nowhere in TOS did it say it had to be reported, and that there is the basis of law on the boards.
and you're right, lets change that to "most" since schematics seem to be important.

[Edited on 8-6-2005 by Dave]

Cool, I'm with you now. I just had to correct that because it stands to my reasoning if two people knew; others did as well, especially those who had been warned. And that's kind of how the system has always worked, even back when I was modding. I don't think it was a stated rule then, but if people had concerns, they U2U'd the applicable mod, and we tried to take care of the situation.


-M

[HarmNone]

That's been stated many times on these boards, ES. Dave is aware of it, since he's U2U'd me many times with his various concerns. I hope most posters are aware of it; however, if not, this thread will serve to get that information out there. :)

[TheRoseLady]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Again, the point arises that you do not know whether or not such admonitions have been issued, TRl.



I clarified once, HN, what my intentions were with my comment. I thought I made it perfectly clear that I could care less about sanctions by the staff and that I was strictly referring to other posters and their 'free passes'.

[HarmNone]

I may have misunderstood you, TRL. If so, you have my apology. :)

[HarmNone]

I've put a little note in announcements to let everybody know how to report a post that you find offensive, or that you feel breaks TOS. I hope it's helpful to those of you who weren't aware of it. :)

[Lyonis]

Originally posted by Ravenstorm

Originally posted by Latrinsorm
When I find porno some loser left in the stacks, I don't have to get a supervisor to come carry it downstairs. I'm perfectly capable of carrying it down myself. You can say that people *should* use report, but that repost logic doesn't hang at all, especially if people have a lack of trust for report/u2u.

To conitnue using your analogy...

Not only didn't you call a supervisor, you didn't carry it downstairs either. In fact, you just mentioned it to others. "Hey, did you notice the porn in the stacks?" "Wow, there's porn in the stacks."

Twice, you pointed out the porn in the stacks but in no way did you indicate that it bothered you. And then you complain later that it's there. Your offense at its existence loses some credibility by that time.

It's not a difficult concept to understand.

Raven

As far as I’m understanding the porn is symbolizing the personal insults so maybe replacing the porn with something else will get across how I took Latrinsorm’s analogy.

Instead of porn use a big scary spider. The person finding the spider is terrified of spiders which I think works well with the intimate aspect of the insults. Rather then quietly bringing the spider to the attention of someone prepared to deal with it, they just may panic and do whatever it takes to draw attention to the spider. Fear sometimes makes bad choices for us as do our emotions.

I think Raven touched on a key point that you need to indicate that the material is offensive. I just think it’s very possible to do so and quote the post you found offensive.

As far as X goes I think justice was served. There’s a reason why we need judges to interpret the law in our own legal system and that’s because there is no chance in being able to outline every possible scenario.

The context surrounding the individual should certainly be used in evaluating the course of action. I thought X would have been a no brainer.

[Ravenstorm]

Actually, I think porn is an excellent analogy for one simple reason: porn, like a personal insult, is in the eye of the beholder. What one person considers to be a personal insult might be shrugged off by someone else just like what one person considers porn might not even be worth a second glance by someone else.

I know there are people here who are old enough to know who Robert Mapplethorpe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mapplethorpe) was and the big stink that was made over his work. Obscenity or art?

Raven

[Showal]

I need to think of a new PC conspiracy theory and make a thread about it.

[Delirium]

Originally posted by Showal
I need to think of a new PC conspiracy theory and make a thread about it.

If you look on page 6(for me) of when Harmnone first responds to Dave when the thread was restored you will see she responded at 4 20 pm. Hitlers birthday was April 20th. Coincidence or proof the boards are run by Nazi's?