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07-21-2005, 10:35 PM
Get ready for this. I got this chain email from a friend. Yes, believe it or not I have close friends with differing viewpoints.

I’ve withheld the name of the woman who wrote it and tried to clean it up putting paragraphs where I thought they should be.

The woman who wrote this has a son serving in Iraq.

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WHAT'S ALL THE FUSS?

Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001? Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan, across the Potomac from our nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania? Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?

And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was "desecrated" when an overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet? Well, I don't. I don't care at all! I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11. I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, where the mere possession of which is a crime in Saudi Arabia.

I'll care when Abu Musab al-Zarqawi tells the world he is sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling, slashed throat. I'll care when the cowardly so-called "insurgents" in Iraq come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.

I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs. I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law instead of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.

I'll care when Clinton-appointed judges stop ordering my government to release photos of the abuses at Abu Ghraib, which are sure set off the Islamic extremists just as Newsweek's lies did a few weeks ago.

In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care. When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been humiliated in what amounts to a college hazing incident, rest assured that I don't care.

When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank that I don't care. When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed "special" food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being "mishandled," you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts that I don't care.

And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled "Koran" and other times "Quran." Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and -- you guessed it -- I don't care!"

Anebriated
07-21-2005, 11:11 PM
I'll care when Abu Musab al-Zarqawi tells the world he is sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling, slashed throat.


Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and -- you guessed it -- I don't care!

I got to the point about Nick Berg and then skimmed to the bottom and saw the ending. Kinda harsh to read that when one of my friends was his neighbor. When it hits close to your home then share the email and talk about caring. I do see a difference between caring and acting on my feelings though.

07-21-2005, 11:27 PM
I agree.

Anebriated
07-21-2005, 11:43 PM
I agree.

Wait.... what? I know im down a fe w beers but we never agree on anything.

07-22-2005, 12:12 AM
I agree with the chain letter.

Anebriated
07-22-2005, 12:16 AM
That explains my shock, I figured something wasn't right but there was no reference so I took a guess since it was directly below my post.

edit: Although I find it hard to believe that you dont care when you join the army and are fighting in the war. It must be part of your special job and the above average training you got for it.

[Edited on 7-22-2005 by Elrodin]

doc ether
07-22-2005, 12:21 AM
That pretty much sums up my feelings on the war.

07-22-2005, 12:33 AM
Originally posted by Elrodin
That explains my shock, I figured something wasn't right but there was no reference so I took a guess since it was directly below my post.

edit: Although I find it hard to believe that you dont care when you join the army and are fighting in the war. It must be part of your special job and the above average training you got for it.

[Edited on 7-22-2005 by Elrodin]

Go back and read it again. I could care less if some terrorist has his life fucked up, his Koran stepped on, I dont need to see the photos of something equivalent to a frat hazing etc.
I care that we win, and that is all.

Hulkein
07-22-2005, 12:39 AM
That letter wasn't disrespecting Nick Berg, Elrodin. Probably the beers in ya ;)

Cool chain letter, never would've believed Backlash would post it, heh.

Anebriated
07-22-2005, 12:39 AM
I started caring when people whom I was friends with or knew second hand started getting hurt and killed. My feelings will never lead me to fighting on the field under Bush but there is not a chance in hell I can say I dont care and mean it.


When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been humiliated in what amounts to a college hazing incident, rest assured that I don't care.

Hmm...sounds like an argument someone tried to use... By the way frat hazing rarely turns into video's of beheadings.

Anebriated
07-22-2005, 12:42 AM
I know it wasnt directly about Nick Berg. Fact is Nobody who has a friend overseas or who has come back with a purple heart or a toe tag can honestly say they dont care. When someone who you used to see all summer is killed on public television and "screamed through his gurgling, slashed throat" then you will know where I am coming from. Until then go ahead and continue spewing this bullshit you call not caring.

Hulkein
07-22-2005, 12:44 AM
He was saying he doesn't care about the fate of the Islamics, namely Zarqawi, UNTIL they apologize for what they did to Nick Berg.

In easier terms - he's saying he cares about Nick Berg and until he hears an apology, doesn't care about their plight.

Anebriated
07-22-2005, 12:46 AM
That I can understand and agree with. I still think the letter is harsh though. Probably just the beer along with the bringing up of how brutal berg's death was. It hit hard when it first happened, didn't need to be reminded so graphically.

Hulkein
07-22-2005, 12:48 AM
I understand man, it was tough for a lot of people who didn't even know him.

I couldn't imagine if I actually had known the guy personally.

Farquar
07-22-2005, 01:13 AM
The prayer mat and Koran in prison I understand. If you've ever met an Islamic, you'd realize that they tend to get agitated when they can't pray in their traditional manner. Better to have a few hundred reasonably calm Islamic fundamentalists than a whole bunch of antsy, bored, belligerent ones.

There's a reason why people of modest intellectual means don't make public policy. This e-mail is but one of those reasons. While this letter may reflect honest sadness, it similarly reflects a lack of understanding about the basic principles upon which this country was founded. Ideas like freedom of the press, freedom of speech, tyranny of the majority, and democratic checks on power are deceptively difficult concepts. Only individuals who have a true desire for peace and a true respect for human life, in all its forms, can truly understand them. I find it interesting how these moron bible thumpers chant pro-life on one hand, while advocating the torture and dehumanization with the other.

Do I want justice? Of course. Am I willing to trade my way of life, my respect for humanity, my desire for tolerance, peace and understanding for a measurable "pound of flesh" that I can weigh my desire for bloodlust and vengenace against? Hell no.

I think everyone in the country wants to "win" the war, but if we have to offend every notion of human dignity and grace in the process, then we've already lost.

Anebriated
07-22-2005, 01:15 AM
^ agreed 100% on that one

[Edited on 7-22-2005 by Elrodin]

Ravenstorm
07-22-2005, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by Farquar
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Well said. I'm sure if the positions were reversed, Bin Laden wouldn't care either. That's why we're theoretically the good guys.

Raven

Anebriated
07-22-2005, 01:41 AM
Well said. I'm sure if the positions were reversed, Bin Laden wouldn't care either. That's why we're theoretically the good guys.

We could have been the good guys except we went in with the wrong approach.


I care that we win, and that is all.