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Gan
06-26-2005, 04:54 AM
It seems that someone let the water out of the shallow end of the gene pool this weekend and it flooded a Virginia revolutionary war historic battlefield.
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Neo-Nazis outnumbered at historic site

Saturday, June 25, 2005; Posted: 5:22 p.m. EDT (21:22 GMT)

YORKTOWN, Virginia (CNN) -- Standing at what was once a U.S. Revolutionary War battlefield, about 125 Neo-Nazis and sympathizers held a rally Saturday while two groups of counter demonstrators protested.

One of the counter demonstrations had about twice as many people. [PWN3D]

Some of the Neo-Nazis gathered at Yorktown Battlefield dressed in traditional Nazi garb, with brown shirts and swastika arm bands. Many had shaved heads, and called out "Sieg Heil," a slogan of Nazi Germany.

National Socialist Movement leader Jeff Schoep railed against immigrants, calling them "putrid scum" that are "pouring over our borders, destroying our culture, and robbing us of our heritage."

"We must secure the existence of white people and the future of white children," another speaker said.

In its application for a permit, the movement said it was "inviting the Ku Klux Klan, skinheads, Aryan nations, and any other patriotic groups" to take part.

About a third of the participants in the rally were aligned with the Neo-Nazi movement, while others included skinheads and some Klan members, organizers said.

Some participants waved American flags, while others waved flags with swastikas on them.

Bill White, a spokesman for the movement -- which calls itself "America's Nazi Party" -- acknowledged the turnout was not large.

In a nearby field -- separated by barricades from the Neo-Nazi rally -- about 250 counter demonstrators shouted for an end to such hatred. The protest was organized by a messianic synagogue and six other religious institutions.

Because the event took place on a Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath, many Jewish synagogues were unable to participate.

About a mile away, a second counter demonstration was held. Organizers called it a "tolerance rally." Those participants said shouting at the Neo-Nazis only helps fuel the fire of Neo-Nazi hatred.

Yorktown Battlefield was the site of the last major battle of the Revolutionary War.

CNN's Mike Ahlers contributed to this report.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/25/neo.nazi.rally/index.html

[Edited on 6-26-2005 by Ganalon]

[Edited on 6-27-2005 by Ganalon]

theotherjohn
06-26-2005, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by Ganalon
It seems that someone let the water out of the shallow end of the gene pool this weekend and it flooded a Virginia civil war historic battlefield.
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Im sorry what does the rally at Yorktown have to do with your statement above and the title line of this thread?

4a6c1
06-26-2005, 10:46 AM
Yup. Its an annual festival sponsored by cheif advisor Wulfren Hall of the Aryan Nations and organized by Bill White of the National Socialists Movement. It is attended by such groups as American Front, Blood & Honour Great Britain and American Division, Hammerskin Nation, Rocky Mountain Resistance, White Revolution, Women for Aryan Unity and Volksfront.

Opposing demonstrations this year were given by Rabbi Eric Carlson and co. of Congregation Zions Sake and local town officials and influencial residents. The list of sponsors for Zions Sake included a few influencial Talmudic scholars and several dozen anonymous contributors as well. :D

As usual police were on site to protect all demonstrators and it turned out well for both sides I think.

Wezas
06-26-2005, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by Ganalon
National Socialist Movement leader Jeff Schoep railed against immigrants, calling them "putrid scum" that are "pouring over our borders, destroying our culture, and robbing us of our heritage."


"Fucking immigrants"
- Native Americans

Skirmisher
06-26-2005, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by Wezas


"Fucking immigrants"
- Native Americans

Hello.:yes:

Gan
06-26-2005, 11:58 AM
I find the whole event laughable, and ironic.

06-26-2005, 02:17 PM
They have every right to protest, demonstrate, and voice their opinion as the next guy. No reason to sling names.

- Arkans

Back
06-26-2005, 02:27 PM
Yep. In this country, you can open your mouth and prove to one and all how much of a dumbass you are.

Skirmisher
06-26-2005, 02:28 PM
Just as I have every right to tell the people who spout ignorance, hate and fear as a mode of living exactly how stupid they are.

Valthissa
06-26-2005, 03:35 PM
It's not much of a story here locally. It is on the front page of the Va. Gazette (local Williamsburg paper) but it's under an article about installing lights at Willaim & Mary's football stadium.

I was annoyed to see that it's being held almost on Surrender Field - the place where Cornwallis turned over his cannons and guns to Washington. They have the actual cannons surrendered by the English in a small memorial at the field and we like to go there and have a picnic a couple of times each year.


C/Valth

ElanthianSiren
06-26-2005, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by Backlash
Yep. In this country, you can open your mouth and prove to one and all how much of a dumbass you are.


I guess that's what happens when you teach irresponsible hate and confrontation.


-Melissa

4a6c1
06-26-2005, 06:39 PM
We are Americans. There are no criminal ideals, only criminal actions. - Kemplen, RMR

Gan
06-26-2005, 11:43 PM
[Criminal] Action is merely the product of idea and opportunity.

4a6c1
06-27-2005, 12:55 AM
^mmmm. true.

"But your principals arent enough for you. You SAID THAT. If you believe what you said they cant be. So that is action. And we can wait. So can they. *points towards police*" - Mary Osbourn, Yorktown resident/housewife in response to Kemplen of RMR

Fengus
06-27-2005, 01:30 AM
They are right, they are losing their culture and heritage, but thats because America has never stood for intolerance and division. We are great only because of immigrants. Their rally cry was lost as soon as they called it out.

Without such ignorance, enlightenment wouldn't be very noble. I just never understood the skinhead aspect, whats the significance? They give us balding-but-not-embarrassed-by-it guys a bad name.

Nieninque
06-27-2005, 03:34 AM
The true skinhead movement was actually anti-racist and peaceful, but became synonymous with the nazi/fascist movement after some skinheads aligned themselves accordingly.

This thread should be called neo-nazi rally on civil war battlefield, rather than skinhead rally...some skinheads are very much part of the anti-nazi movement

Gan
06-27-2005, 08:34 AM
Until I see documentation where skin heads are referred to as anti-racist then I will continue to associate them with that which I have seen them referenced with: neo-nazi/aryian/racist movements. Thus the name of the thread will remain accordingly.

Nieninque
06-27-2005, 09:00 AM
Many had shaved heads

So it wasnt a skinhead rally. It was a neo-nazi rally, with some skinheads there.

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2788/skins.html

http://www.anti-racist-action.org/pn/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&re q=viewarticle&artid=8&page=1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinhead

http://www.twafa.org.uk/2005/06/21/skinheads/


So, some skinheads and other working class youth have never been racist - this has always been true. An interest in the skinhead look and a liking for a particular type of music has never been a vehicle for racism or fascism. In fact, real skinheads are anti-racist and anti-nazi!

Gan
06-27-2005, 11:30 AM
I'll roll with the Wikipedia version. Title edited as promised.

Thx Nineneque.

Nieninque
06-27-2005, 11:37 AM
:)

Doyle Hargraves
06-27-2005, 03:16 PM
In its application for a permit, the movement said it was "inviting the Ku Klux Klan, skinheads, Aryan nations, and any other patriotic groups" to take part.

That statement shows just how stupid these people are.

[Edited to dot an "i".]

[Edited on 6-27-2005 by Doyle Hargraves]

4a6c1
06-27-2005, 03:21 PM
Hammerskin, Aryan Nations, and White Revolution would be the groups who had members associated with 'skinhead'. As well as some un-affiliated individuals who attended. The symbolism is especially important to members of the Hammerskin and outside that organization I'd say the skinhead image holds no permanent necessity to much of these groups of people.

Other neo-nazi symbols that some of you might recognize were the uniforms worn by the National Socialist Movement (who call themselves the American Nazi party). Some had reproduction SS-Waffen regalia. Representations of SS-Freiwilligen Grenadier patches were also seen.

Skinhead idealogy is considerably more militant than most of these demonstrative, public groups are willing to be (or at least allow at they're planned demonstrations). Off the top of my head some of them are White Aryan Resistance (WAR), Skinheads International, (Alabama) KKK, Church of the Creator with Metzner....et al.

I'd say there are two types of white supremacists. The ones you can talk to and debate with, and the ones you can fight with. One kind does demonstrations. The other does naughty things. :(

(OMG ROBIN HAD RELIGIOUS RANT SRRY. )