Habeas Corpus

[ClydeR]

If police arrest you, claim that you are not a citizen, claim that you are a vicious criminal, and tell you that you are being sent to a prison in El Salvador, then, in that unfortunate circumstance, should you get the right to argue to a judge that the allegations are untrue prior to being flown to El Salvador? That is the issue a federal judge was asked to decide. Even if we're not judges, I think we all know the right answer.

The Founding Fathers had strong opinions on the subject, putting the right of Habeas Corpus in the original Constitution prior to the subsequent expansion of rights in the Bill of Rights. To implement the Constitution, Congress enacted the Alien Enemies Act in 1798, as a one of a series of laws knows and the Alien and Sedition Acts. Here is the text of the law..


Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies.

More... (https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title50/chapter3&edition=prelim)

As you can see, the law can be used by the President in either of the following two situations..

There is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government.
There is an invasion by any foreign nation or government.

There is obviously no declared war. The question, then is whether or not there is an invasion by a foreign nation. When I hear the President speak, he refers to the deported people as vicious criminals, not soldiers. He does not claim that they acted under the direction of a foreign government. If Trump's prior speeches are true, they are people who were released from jails in Venezuela. Since there is no invasion by a foreign government, why not let a court decide if they are non-citizens and criminals, as the law requires? It is very dangerous to allow the President to send people to foreign prisons without a court first checking if they are actually non-citizens and criminals.

[Suppressed Poet]

If police arrest you, claim that you are not a citizen, claim that you are a vicious criminal, and tell you that you are being sent to a prison in El Salvador, then, in that unfortunate circumstance, should you get the right to argue to a judge that the allegations are untrue prior to being flown to El Salvador? That is the issue a federal judge was asked to decide. Even if we're not judges, I think we all know the right answer.

The Founding Fathers had strong opinions on the subject, putting the right of Habeas Corpus in the original Constitution prior to the subsequent expansion of rights in the Bill of Rights. To implement the Constitution, Congress enacted the Alien Enemies Act in 1798, as a one of a series of laws knows and the Alien and Sedition Acts. Here is the text of the law..



As you can see, the law can be used by the President in either of the following two situations..

There is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government.
There is an invasion by any foreign nation or government.

There is obviously no declared war. The question, then is whether or not there is an invasion by a foreign nation. When I hear the President speak, he refers to the deported people as vicious criminals, not soldiers. He does not claim that they acted under the direction of a foreign government. If Trump's prior speeches are true, they are people who were released from jails in Venezuela. Since there is no invasion by a foreign government, why not let a court decide if they are non-citizens and criminals, as the law requires? It is very dangerous to allow the President to send people to foreign prisons without a court first checking if they are actually non-citizens and criminals.

So you are on the side of protecting dangerous foreign national criminal gangs like Tren de Aragua. We’re talking about illegal aliens that are also rapists and murderers. Why am I not surprised?

[Methais]

So you are on the side of protecting dangerous foreign national criminal gangs like Tren de Aragua. We’re talking about illegal aliens that are also rapists and murderers. Why am I not surprised?

ClydeR is upset because he has rape fantasies about them and now they're gone.

[Back]

So you are on the side of protecting dangerous foreign national criminal gangs like Tren de Aragua. We’re talking about illegal aliens that are also rapists and murderers. Why am I not surprised?

It's pretty scary that you are totally willing to just take someone's word for it that those guys are who they say they are and that they are doing what they say they are doing. Without going through the process of determining the facts those in charge can just make s*** up and throw people out of the country. That doesn't bother you at all?

[Tgo01]

It's pretty scary that you are totally willing to just take someone's word for it that those guys are who they say they are and that they are doing what they say they are doing. Without going through the process of determining the facts those in charge can just make s*** up and throw people out of the country. That doesn't bother you at all?

Suddenly Democrats don't trust the government.

"Stay at home! Keep your kids out of school! Bully anyone who doesn't wear a mask! THE GOVERNMENT SAID IT'S FOR OUR OWN GOOD!!!"

"Those murderers and rapists are innocent! Sure at the very least they are in our country illegally, but that doesn't matter! Never trust the government!!!!11!"

Tell you what, Back. I'm all for keeping some of these murderers and rapists in the country as long as they are sent directly to your house and your family member's houses and they are forced to live there for a minimum of 2 years and you will be charged for any crimes they commit. Sound fair? Or does your virtue signaling only go as far as it not directly affecting you?

[Methais]

It's pretty scary that you are totally willing to just take someone's word for it that those guys are who they say they are and that they are doing what they say they are doing. Without going through the process of determining the facts those in charge can just make s*** up and throw people out of the country. That doesn't bother you at all?

Stop being such a vagina.



Tell you what, Back. I'm all for keeping some of these murderers and rapists in the country as long as they are sent directly to your house and your family member's houses and they are forced to live there for a minimum of 2 years and you will be charged for any crimes they commit. Sound fair? Or does your virtue signaling only go as far as it not directly affecting you?

His virtue signaling only goes as far as his keyboard.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

It's pretty scary that you are totally willing to just take someone's word for it that those guys are who they say they are and that they are doing what they say they are doing. Without going through the process of determining the facts those in charge can just make s*** up and throw people out of the country. That doesn't bother you at all?

No. Can I have your name and address?

[Suppressed Poet]

It's pretty scary that you are totally willing to just take someone's word for it that those guys are who they say they are and that they are doing what they say they are doing. Without going through the process of determining the facts those in charge can just make s*** up and throw people out of the country. That doesn't bother you at all?

No it does not bother me.

What bothers me is the previous administration allowed these thugs to illegally enter our country with impunity and in many cases not hold them accountable for violent crimes committed against our citizens.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

No it does not bother me.

What bothers me is the previous administration allowed these thugs to illegally enter our country with impunity and in many cases not hold them accountable for violent crimes committed against our citizens.

Illegals, are, by definition, illegal. And should be treated as such, comrade.

[rolfard]

In the original post I wondered is the person trying to say"innocent until proven guilty" and the burden on the state is proof beyond reasonable doubt the identity of the accused? And in that case, you may be detained until your identify can be confirmed? And you shouldn't be deported ever and remain detained forever if you can't be proven beyond reasonable doubt that you are not here legally and you cannot be compelled provide an id showing you are a resident?
I'm confused

[Methais]

In the original post I wondered is the person trying to say"innocent until proven guilty" and the burden on the state is proof beyond reasonable doubt the identity of the accused? And in that case, you may be detained until your identify can be confirmed? And you shouldn't be deported ever and remain detained forever if you can't be proven beyond reasonable doubt that you are not here legally and you cannot be compelled provide an id showing you are a resident?
I'm confused

ClydeR is a huge retard with multiple crippling mental illnesses. It's best to just laugh at what a loser he is while he hides from Covid under his adult sized crib at his mommy's house that he's still never moved out of despite being in his 30s.

[Parkbandit]

It's pretty scary that you are totally willing to just take someone's word for it that those guys are who they say they are and that they are doing what they say they are doing. Without going through the process of determining the facts those in charge can just make s*** up and throw people out of the country. That doesn't bother you at all?

I laugh at your "scary" emotional response... it goes nicely with the scarf.

Just so we get a clear understanding of the way your brain works...

1) You were willing to take Biden's word that there was no crisis at the southern border. This was proven wrong.
2) You were willing to take Biden's word that people who crossed were seeking asylum and have been vetted. This was proven wrong.
3) You were willing to take Biden's word that it would require Congress to slow down the illegal crossings, even though the previous administration did it. This was proven wrong.
D) You are now willing to take leftists word that OMG THERE MIGHT BE A US CITIZEN DEPORTED WE NEED TO STOP IT!!!!!

You are so upset about the idea of billionaires taking money out of your pockets.. but the 13-20 million people who crossed into our country are probably taking more money out of your pockets than any billionaire by an exponential factor.

[Methais]

I laugh at your "scary" emotional response... it goes nicely with the scarf.

Just so we get a clear understanding of the way your brain works...

1) You were willing to take Biden's word that there was no crisis at the southern border. This was proven wrong.
2) You were willing to take Biden's word that people who crossed were seeking asylum and have been vetted. This was proven wrong.
3) You were willing to take Biden's word that it would require Congress to slow down the illegal crossings, even though the previous administration did it. This was proven wrong.
D) You are now willing to take leftists word that OMG THERE MIGHT BE A US CITIZEN DEPORTED WE NEED TO STOP IT!!!!!

You are so upset about the idea of billionaires taking money out of your pockets.. but the 13-20 million people who crossed into our country are probably taking more money out of your pockets than any billionaire by an exponential factor.

https://i.imgur.com/MnH3mWv.png

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

It's pretty scary that you are totally willing to just take someone's word for it that those guys are who they say they are and that they are doing what they say they are doing. Without going through the process of determining the facts those in charge can just make s*** up and throw people out of the country. That doesn't bother you at all?

ChatGPT - Explain to me all the fallacies in the note above.

The argument contains several logical fallacies. Let’s break them down:


Appeal to Emotion (Argumentum ad Passiones) – The phrase "It's pretty scary" is designed to provoke fear rather than provide a logical reason why the claim is false or problematic.

Straw Man Fallacy – The argument misrepresents the opposing position. It assumes that the other person is "totally willing to just take someone's word for it," when they may simply trust a process or have reasons for their stance.

Slippery Slope – The claim that "those in charge can just make s** up and throw people out of the country"* suggests an extreme consequence without sufficient justification. Just because some individuals might be believed without strict verification does not mean mass deportations will follow.

Loaded Question – The final sentence "That doesn't bother you at all?" implies that if the person is not bothered, they are indifferent to injustice, forcing them into a defensive position rather than allowing a fair discussion.

Hasty Generalization – The argument assumes that if some decisions lack proper verification, all such decisions must be baseless or arbitrary.

False Dilemma (Either-Or Fallacy) – The argument suggests that one must either be completely skeptical or blindly accepting, ignoring the possibility of a reasonable middle ground.

Overall, this argument relies more on emotional appeal and rhetorical pressure rather than logical reasoning.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

6 are low numbers man. You need to pump up your fallacies.

[Suppressed Poet]

ChatGPT - Explain to me all the fallacies in the note above.

The argument contains several logical fallacies. Let’s break them down:


Appeal to Emotion (Argumentum ad Passiones) – The phrase "It's pretty scary" is designed to provoke fear rather than provide a logical reason why the claim is false or problematic.

Straw Man Fallacy – The argument misrepresents the opposing position. It assumes that the other person is "totally willing to just take someone's word for it," when they may simply trust a process or have reasons for their stance.

Slippery Slope – The claim that "those in charge can just make s** up and throw people out of the country"* suggests an extreme consequence without sufficient justification. Just because some individuals might be believed without strict verification does not mean mass deportations will follow.

Loaded Question – The final sentence "That doesn't bother you at all?" implies that if the person is not bothered, they are indifferent to injustice, forcing them into a defensive position rather than allowing a fair discussion.

Hasty Generalization – The argument assumes that if some decisions lack proper verification, all such decisions must be baseless or arbitrary.

False Dilemma (Either-Or Fallacy) – The argument suggests that one must either be completely skeptical or blindly accepting, ignoring the possibility of a reasonable middle ground.

Overall, this argument relies more on emotional appeal and rhetorical pressure rather than logical reasoning.

I asked ChatGPT how should I respond to Back’s estrogen fueled soy-boy rant and it sent me this:


https://youtu.be/JrwiEjh2AMU?si=iVIg5JBzUA-Jv4x6

[Methais]

ChatGPT - Explain to me all the fallacies in the note above.

The argument contains several logical fallacies. Let’s break them down:


Appeal to Emotion (Argumentum ad Passiones) – The phrase "It's pretty scary" is designed to provoke fear rather than provide a logical reason why the claim is false or problematic.

Straw Man Fallacy – The argument misrepresents the opposing position. It assumes that the other person is "totally willing to just take someone's word for it," when they may simply trust a process or have reasons for their stance.

Slippery Slope – The claim that "those in charge can just make s** up and throw people out of the country"* suggests an extreme consequence without sufficient justification. Just because some individuals might be believed without strict verification does not mean mass deportations will follow.

Loaded Question – The final sentence "That doesn't bother you at all?" implies that if the person is not bothered, they are indifferent to injustice, forcing them into a defensive position rather than allowing a fair discussion.

Hasty Generalization – The argument assumes that if some decisions lack proper verification, all such decisions must be baseless or arbitrary.

False Dilemma (Either-Or Fallacy) – The argument suggests that one must either be completely skeptical or blindly accepting, ignoring the possibility of a reasonable middle ground.

Overall, this argument relies more on emotional appeal and rhetorical pressure rather than logical reasoning.

Emotional blackmail is the only card these retards have in their deck to play.

Except they're so retarded that nobody takes them seriously, which makes them even more upset, and it's great.

[ClydeR]

ChatGPT - Explain to me all the fallacies in the note above.

I bet it would say my post was exactly right. It would probably ask permission to use in the future when people inquire about Habeas Corpus. Or you could ask Grok, and it would use it without asking permission.

[ClydeR]

The Trump administration has admitted in federal court documents that “many” Venezuelans it accused of being dangerous gang members and deported through presidential wartime powers have no criminal records in the United States, but argued it was only because they had only been in the U.S. briefly.

More... (https://www.yahoo.com/news/administration-many-venezuelans-sent-el-235238333.html)


Cerna said the lack of information the government has on the deported Venezuelans “demonstrates that they are terrorists with regard to whom we lack a complete file.”

LOL!

[~Rocktar~]

LOL!

Incorrect, being in the US illegally is a crime and enough to warrant deportation. Period.

[Parkbandit]

I bet it would say my post was exactly right. It would probably ask permission to use in the future when people inquire about Habeas Corpus. Or you could ask Grok, and it would use it without asking permission.

I'm shocked you were wrong again.

Really.

ClydeR, your post contains several logical errors, factual inaccuracies, and misinterpretations of both the Constitution and the Alien Enemies Act. Let’s go through them systematically.
1. Straw Man ArgumentYour opening hypothetical scenario—where police arrest someone, falsely claim they are a non-citizen and a vicious criminal, and announce they will be sent to a prison in El Salvador—is not what the legal or political debate is actually about. You’re presenting an extreme, unrealistic case to make it seem like the fundamental issue is whether people should have legal recourse against wrongful deportation, which is a given in U.S. law. However, the actual debate concerns specific policies and legal processes regarding deportation, not arbitrary detentions and extraditions without due process.
2. Misrepresentation of Habeas CorpusYou correctly point out that the right of Habeas Corpus is enshrined in the Constitution, but your argument misrepresents its application. Habeas Corpus protections are already a fundamental part of U.S. law, and courts routinely hear cases where individuals contest their detention or deportation. There is no evidence that the government is denying access to courts in deportation cases. The implication that the current administration is circumventing Habeas Corpus without judicial oversight is misleading.
3. Historical Inaccuracy: Mischaracterizing the Alien Enemies ActThe Alien Enemies Act of 1798 does not give the President unilateral authority to deport people outside of wartime without due process.


First, as you acknowledge, it applies only during declared wars or invasions by a foreign government. Since neither condition is met, invoking this law is irrelevant to the issue at hand.
Second, even during wartime, the law specifically applies to citizens of enemy nations residing in the U.S., not just any non-citizen.
Third, the Alien Enemies Act does not allow the President to bypass judicial oversight entirely. Legal challenges to deportations still exist under current immigration laws.

4. False Equivalence Between Criminal Deportations and an "Invasion"You argue that since there is no declared war, the only relevant question is whether an "invasion by a foreign nation or government" is occurring. However:


Deporting criminals who entered illegally is not the same as responding to a military invasion. The word "invasion" in constitutional and legal contexts refers to armed conflict or forceful occupation by a foreign government, not illegal immigration or criminal activities.
Even if certain individuals were released from Venezuelan prisons, as Trump claimed, that does not constitute an invasion by the Venezuelan government under any legal definition.

5. Appeal to Authority Fallacy (Misuse of the Founding Fathers)You invoke the Founding Fathers as if their general support for Habeas Corpus automatically supports your argument. However:


The Founders also wrote immigration and deportation laws that provided for the removal of non-citizens under legal processes.
Deportation procedures have existed throughout U.S. history, and courts have long held that non-citizens have limited but defined due process rights in removal proceedings.
The fact that Habeas Corpus exists does not mean that all non-citizens have the same rights as citizens when it comes to immigration enforcement.

6. Slippery Slope FallacyYou suggest that allowing the President to deport people without court involvement could lead to arbitrary detentions and deportations of citizens. However:


The law already requires courts to review removal orders in contested cases.
No evidence suggests that the government is bypassing courts or deporting people en masse without legal review.
Presenting a worst-case scenario where the President suddenly starts shipping innocent people to foreign prisons is alarmist and not reflective of current legal realities.

7. Contradiction in Your ConclusionAt the end, you say that because there is no foreign invasion, "why not let a court decide if they are non-citizens and criminals, as the law requires?" But that’s already how the system works.


Immigration courts and appeals processes exist for exactly this purpose.
The right to challenge deportation is already established under current laws.
Your argument suggests that the government is preventing judicial review when, in reality, legal challenges to deportations happen every day.

ConclusionYour post uses rhetorical exaggerations, historical misinterpretations, and flawed legal reasoning to create a false sense of crisis. Deportation is a legal process that already includes court oversight, and the Alien Enemies Act is irrelevant to this discussion. Misrepresenting immigration enforcement as an unconstitutional power grab only confuses the real issues at play.

[Tgo01]

LOL!

Man I love the dishonesty of you terrorist-loving far leftists.

No criminal records...IN THE UNITED STATES. Do they have a lengthy criminal record in another country? If so, shouldn't they be considered dangerous and removed immediately anyways? Or are you people so fucking dumb you think stepping foot in the US suddenly makes you a model citizen?

[Suppressed Poet]

I bet it would say my post was exactly right. It would probably ask permission to use in the future when people inquire about Habeas Corpus. Or you could ask Grok, and it would use it without asking permission.

I asked Grok what it thought about your post and it sent me this:


https://youtu.be/5hfYJsQAhl0?si=Ahvnz_OItMlIMQAK

[ClydeR]

Incorrect, being in the US illegally is a crime and enough to warrant deportation. Period.

How do you know they were here illegally, and not actual U.S. citizens born in this country? You don't, because there was no judicial check before they were deported. Why was there no judicial check? Because Trump claimed we were being invaded by a foreign government, in which case he could use war powers to bypass judicial safeguards.

[~Rocktar~]

How do you know they were here illegally, and not actual U.S. citizens born in this country? You don't, because there was no judicial check before they were deported. Why was there no judicial check? Because Trump claimed we were being invaded by a foreign government, in which case he could use war powers to bypass judicial safeguards.

How do you know they are citizens? You don't, because you are retarded. Why are you retarded, because the Divine saw that we needed entertainment on this board long ago and made it so.

[Methais]

How do you know they were here illegally, and not actual U.S. citizens born in this country? You don't, because there was no judicial check before they were deported. Why was there no judicial check? Because Trump claimed we were being invaded by a foreign government, in which case he could use war powers to bypass judicial safeguards.

Go eat your own ass, retard.

[Suppressed Poet]

How do you know they were here illegally, and not actual U.S. citizens born in this country? You don't, because there was no judicial check before they were deported. Why was there no judicial check? Because Trump claimed we were being invaded by a foreign government, in which case he could use war powers to bypass judicial safeguards.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/8d394ba8571040682a830a20232014c5/tumblr_mpkbxjbcTj1rf9wf0o2_1280.png

[Neveragain]

Literally anyone can be detained without charges being filed for a couple days, depending on the state. It's 72 hours in my state.

It's been that way forever, STFU retard.

[ClydeR]

An attorney representing a migrant sent to El Salvador under the Alien Enemies Act says her client was deported due to a soccer logo tattoo, according to court declarations submitted Wednesday night.

More... (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/man-deported-el-salvador-alien-enemies-act-soccer-logo-tattoo-attorney/story?id=119983892)

Trump wouldn't be trying so hard to hide what happened if he didn't realize he made major mistakes. He should fess up, admit his error, and not allow people to remain in high security prisons who both entered the U.S. legally and were not members of a terrorist gang. I bet at the end of the day we'll find out that at least one U.S. citizen was illegally flown to a foreign prison. And if it could happen to a U.S. citizen with a soccer ball tattoo, it could happen you! Unless, that is, we go back to honoring the ancient legal requirement of having an independent judge double check before someone is sent to a lengthy prison sentence.


The Trump administration has been reluctant to release the names and other details of the groups flown to El Salvador over the weekend, despite questions from a judge hearing challenges to the removal flights that were brought by groups including the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). The White House argues that all those removed posed enough of a national security threat to be deported under the Alien Enemies Act.

More... (https://www.newsweek.com/deportation-flights-venezuelan-real-madrid-tattoo-tren-de-aragua-2047960)

No way a terrorist would wear white and orange shoes like those he's wearing in the photo at the above link. That's proof he's not a terrorist, and it's just as weighty as the proof offered by Trump that he is a terrorist. He coaches soccer for children, for goodness sake! He entered the country legally and was scheduled for an immigration hearing this week, which he did not attend because he had been taken by the government and sent to a prison in El Salvador.

[Suppressed Poet]

And if it could happen to a U.S. citizen with a soccer ball tattoo, it could happen you!

No.

I keep in a safe all my important documents like birth certificate, passport, SSN card, etc. I don’t have any tattoos. I’m white as fuck. Are you seriously suggesting that ICE is going to deport me? Get the fuck outta here…

Edit: Also, not referring to this specific situation, but I imagine some mistakes will be made. When those mistakes happen it’s good to rectify the situation and move on. That should not impede progress. Do you think El Salvador lowered their crime rate by 98% in 9 years without making any mistakes? You gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelette…

[Tgo01]

An attorney representing a migrant sent to El Salvador under the Alien Enemies Act says her client was deported due to a soccer logo tattoo, according to court declarations submitted Wednesday night.

Well as long as an attorney representing someone says that's the real reason they were removed then it must be true!

What is even the solution you people are looking for here anyways? The dude was not an American citizen and is currently in jail in another country. Do you really think he should be sprung from jail and sent back to the US or what? Sounds like this is an issue for the government of El Salvador to address.

[ClydeR]

Well as long as an attorney representing someone says that's the real reason they were removed then it must be true!

You're arguing about the burden of proof. Is it the responsibility of the accused to prove that he is innocent, or is it the responsibility of the government to prove that he is guilty.


What is even the solution you people are looking for here anyways? The dude was not an American citizen and is currently in jail in another country. Do you really think he should be sprung from jail and sent back to the US or what? Sounds like this is an issue for the government of El Salvador to address.

The President of El Salvador said on Twitter that he will continue to hold them in prison as long as the U.S. continues to pay. Continued imprisonment, therefore, is up to the U.S. If he did not commit any crimes, the U.S. should not continue to pay another country to hold him in prison. If El Salvador thinks he committed a crime in El Salvador, then it becomes their problem, and they should pay the cost of jailing him.

[Methais]

No.

I keep in a safe all my important documents like birth certificate, passport, SSN card, etc. I don’t have any tattoos. I’m white as fuck. Are you seriously suggesting that ICE is going to deport me? Get the fuck outta here…

Edit: Also, not referring to this specific situation, but I imagine some mistakes will be made. When those mistakes happen it’s good to rectify the situation and move on. That should not impede progress. Do you think El Salvador lowered their crime rate by 98% in 9 years without making any mistakes? You gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelette…

ClydeR would burn down his entire house trying to boil water.

[Suppressed Poet]

ClydeR would burn down his entire house trying to boil water.

Yep. He is the reason Hasbro was forced to discontinue the Easy-Bake Oven with the 100-watt heating element, and that the newer safer versions were repackaged to be gender neutral.

Hey ClydeR, thanks for ruining Christmas for millions of little girls. Now we got an entire generation of young women who can’t bake shit. Dickhead.

[Methais]

Yep. He is the reason Hasbro was forced to discontinue the Easy-Bake Oven with the 100-watt heating element, and that the newer safer versions were repackaged to be gender neutral.

Hey ClydeR, thanks for ruining Christmas for millions of little girls. Now we got an entire generation of young women who can’t bake shit. Dickhead.

Further proof that ClydeR hates women.

[Tgo01]

You're arguing about the burden of proof. Is it the responsibility of the accused to prove that he is innocent, or is it the responsibility of the government to prove that he is guilty.

This doesn't address a single fucking thing I said. You're acting like this guy is 100% innocent because his lawyer of all people say he's innocent. Like no shit his lawyer is gonna make up some bullshit reason for why he was "really" deported. Remember you're supposed to trust the US government without question, when did this attitude change?


The President of El Salvador said on Twitter that he will continue to hold them in prison as long as the U.S. continues to pay. Continued imprisonment, therefore, is up to the U.S.

lol

That's not how this works. The country of El Salvador has a functioning government that is completely capable of carrying out their own laws and judicial regulations. They could decide tomorrow to release each and every single person from prison. Sure it might piss off Trump and the US government, but don't be a pussy and act like they aren't a sovereign fucking nation.

[Parkbandit]

ClydeR would burn down his entire house trying to boil water.

I'm relatively sure he's thermophobic and would never ever attempt to do that.

[ClydeR]

https://i.imgur.com/EH1T1S9.png
https://x.com/kaitlancollins/status/1903215605991211217

Now that we're learning that some of the deportees entered the U.S. legally, had not committed any crimes and were not gang members, Trump is distancing himself from it. Despite the fact that his signature appears to be on the invocation of war powers as officially published, Trump denies that he ever signed it. He says it was all Little Marco. Trump says he just "wanted to go along" with whatever Little Marco wanted. Somebody will have to take the fall for this fiasco. It's starting to look like Little Marco is in real trouble, forging Trump's signature and illegally kidnapping people.

[Gelston]

https://i.imgur.com/EH1T1S9.png
https://x.com/kaitlancollins/status/1903215605991211217

Now that we're learning that some of the deportees entered the U.S. legally, had not committed any crimes and were not gang members, Trump is distancing himself from it. Despite the fact that his signature appears to be on the invocation of war powers as officially published, Trump denies that he ever signed it. He says it was all Little Marco. Trump says he just "wanted to go along" with whatever Little Marco wanted. Somebody will have to take the fall for this fiasco. It's starting to look like Little Marco is in real trouble, forging Trump's signature and illegally kidnapping people.

Nobody is going to take the fall for shit.

[Tgo01]

Now that we're learning that some of the deportees entered the U.S. legally, had not committed any crimes and were not gang members

How do we know all of this again? Because their lawyers said so?

[Gelston]

How do we know all of this again? Because their lawyers said so?

Because ClydeR wishes it so.

[ClydeR]

Nobody is going to take the fall for shit.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4y52JRDsc0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4y52JRDsc0

[ClydeR]

Oopsie indeed. This is why the Constitution requires that every person detained must be brought before a judge for an independent determination, except in cases of suspension of Habeas Corpus during wartime.


The Trump administration acknowledged in a court filing Monday that it had grabbed a Maryland father with protected legal status and mistakenly deported him to El Salvador, but said that U.S. courts lack jurisdiction to order his return from the megaprison where he's now locked up.

The case appears to be the first time the Trump administration has admitted to errors when it sent three planeloads of Salvadoran and Venezuelan deportees to El Salvador's grim "Terrorism Confinement Center" on March 15. Attorneys for several Venezuelan deportees have said that the Trump administration falsely labeled their clients as gang members because of their tattoos. Trump officials have disputed those claims.

But in Monday's court filing, attorneys for the government admitted that the Salvadoran man, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, had been deported accidentally. "Although ICE was aware of his protection from removal to El Salvador, Abrego Garcia was removed to El Salvador because of an administrative error," the government told the court. Trump lawyers said the court has no ability to bring Abrego Garcia back now that he is in Salvadoran custody.

More... (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/an-administrative-error-sends-a-man-to-a-salvadoran-prison/682254/)


On March 12, Abrego Garcia had picked up his son after work from the boy's grandmother's house when ICE officers stopped the car, saying his protected status had changed. Officers waited for Abrego Garcia's wife to come to the scene and take care of the boy, then drove him away in handcuffs. Within two days, he had been transferred to an ICE staging facility in Texas, along with other detainees the government was preparing to send to El Salvador. Trump had invoked the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, and the government planned to deport two planeloads of Venezuelans along with a separate group of Salvadorans.

Abrego Garcia's family has had no contact with him since he was sent to the megaprison in El Salvador, known as CECOT. His wife spotted her husband in news photographs released by Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele on the morning of March 16, after a U.S. district judge had told the Trump administration to halt the flights.

“Oopsie,” Bukele wrote on social media, taunting the judge.

[Suppressed Poet]

Oopsie indeed. This is why the Constitution requires that every person detained must be brought before a judge for an independent determination, except in cases of suspension of Habeas Corpus during wartime.

The court lacks jurisdiction. The prior convicted MS13 gang member you are trying to paint as a victim was deported under title 8 & presently in the custody of El Salvador. In other words, that judge can’t do shit about it & good riddance to that thug.

[ClydeR]

The court lacks jurisdiction.

Probably so. He's no longer in the U.S., because Trump unconstitutionally deported him without first bringing him before a judge to double check that the deportation was proper.


"This Court lacks jurisdiction because Abrego Garcia is not in United States custody. Plaintiff's claims fall within the historical “core” of the writ of habeas corpus. Because Plaintiff's claims sound in habeas, they can proceed only in habeas," the DOJ wrote in a March 31 defense motion. "But because Plaintiffs concede that Abrego-Garcia is not in United States custody, this Court cannot hear those claims. It precludes judicial review of any challenge to the decision or action by DHS to execute removal orders which includes challenges to DHS’s ‘legal authority to do so.”

More... (https://www.wmar2news.com/infocus/family-of-alleged-gang-member-deported-to-el-salvador-prison-sues-to-have-him-returned-to-baltimore)





The prior convicted MS13 gang member you are trying to paint as a victim was deported under title 8 & presently in the custody of El Salvador. In other words, that judge can’t do shit about it & good riddance to that thug.

I'm not sure that's true. The Vice President says he was convicted. But his lawyer says that he has never been convicted of any crime. Who is more trustworthy, J.D. Vance or an unknown criminal defense lawyer?


Vice President JD Vance weighed into the case and falsely said on X Tuesday that Garcia was a "convicted MS-13 gang member." Garcia has no criminal convictions in the U.S. or in El Salvador, his legal team said in the lawsuit.

More... (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-was-sent-el-salvador-due-administrative-error-protected-legal-stat-rcna199010)

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Best april fools joke ever.

[Parkbandit]

Oopsie indeed. This is why the Constitution requires that every person detained must be brought before a judge for an independent determination, except in cases of suspension of Habeas Corpus during wartime.

Look at the way the author of the Atlantic framed the narrative. "Grabbed a Maryland Father" "Picked up his son after work from the boy's grandmother's house"

What an upstanding citizen he was! Trump is super meanie head!!

Truth is: Mr. Garcia was a top member of M-13 gang and had a history with human trafficking. He illegally entered our country in 2011 and got a judge to grant him a temporary protective order in 2019.

[Back]

Look at the way the author of the Atlantic framed the narrative. "Grabbed a Maryland Father" "Picked up his son after work from the boy's grandmother's house"

What an upstanding citizen he was! Trump is super meanie head!!

Truth is: Mr. Garcia was a top member of M-13 gang and had a history with human trafficking. He illegally entered our country in 2011 and got a judge to grant him a temporary protective order in 2019.

Source?

The Trump administration has admitted that this was a mistake. What about that do you not understand?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Source?

It's a matter of public record, learn to google.

In 2019, during Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia's bond hearing, an immigration judge determined that he posed a danger to the community, citing alleged MS-13 gang affiliation. This finding was based on local police assertions and a confidential informant's claim that he was a member of MS-13's "Westerns clique" in Long Island, New York, despite him never having lived there. Consequently, bond was denied. The Board of Immigration Appeals upheld this decision, affirming the judge's determination of dangerousness.


Subsequently, Abrego Garcia applied for asylum. While the immigration judge denied his asylum request, he was granted protection from deportation to El Salvador, acknowledging the credible threats he would face if returned. The Department of Homeland Security did not appeal this protection order.


It's important to note that the initial finding of dangerousness related to alleged gang affiliation remained part of his immigration record. Abrego Garcia did not pursue further legal action to overturn this specific finding. His legal team has consistently contested the gang affiliation allegations, asserting that he has never been a member of MS-13 and emphasizing his clean criminal record.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Source?

The Trump administration has admitted that this was a mistake. What about that do you not understand?

You should white knight this and go down to El Salvador and get him released, then let him live with you so you can prove how much you care about the immigrant community.

[Methais]

You should white knight this and go down to El Salvador and get him released, then let him live with you so you can prove how much you care about the immigrant community.

I'll pitch in for Back's plane ticket.

[Parkbandit]

Source?

The Trump administration has admitted that this was a mistake. What about that do you not understand?

Bro, you can't possibly be this dumb for real, can you?

Like you live in a time where all the combined knowledge of man is at your fingertips.. and you just wish to wallow in ignorance.