Trump Says Crime Numbers Are Fake

[ClydeR]

The third quarter FBI data showed murders dropping an estimated 15.6% compared with the same period in 2022 and violent crime dropping 8.2% overall.

The fourth quarter 2023 report released in March show an estimated 4% drop in property crime, 6% drop in violent crime and 13% decrease in murders from 2022. The fourth quarter report covers the entire 2023 calendar year, and can be considered a preliminary year-end report.

More... (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/04/30/trump-crime-fbi-data-murder-statistics/73443631007/)

In the below interview of Trump published in Time, Trump said he did not believe the FBI's crime numbers are true. The FBI's compilation of crime statistics showed a significant drop in violent crime in 2023. Trump said they are "fake" numbers. He did not explain the basis of his belief.



Okay, sir. Violent crime is going down throughout the country. There was a 6% drop in—

Trump: I don't believe it.

You don’t believe that?

Trump: Yeah, they’re fake numbers.

You think so?

Trump: Well it came out last night. The FBI gave fake numbers.

I didn't see that, but the FBI said that there was a 13% drop in 2023. [Editor's note: This statistic refers specifically to homicides.]

Trump: I don’t believe it. No, it’s a lie. It’s fake news.

Sir, these numbers are collected by state and local police departments across the country. Most of them support you. Are they wrong?

Trump: Yeah. Last night. Well, maybe, maybe not. The FBI fudged the numbers and other people fudged numbers. There is no way that crime went down over the last year. There's no way because you have migrant crime. Are they adding migrant crime? Or do they consider that a different form of crime?

So these local police departments are wrong?

Trump: I don't believe it's from the local police. What I saw was the FBI was giving false numbers.

More... (https://time.com/6972022/donald-trump-transcript-2024-election/)

[Methais]

I need attention so I'm going to make a thread for everything, just like Latrinsorm does. Because I'm totally not Latrin.

This is correct.

[Suppressed Poet]

In the below interview of Trump published in Time, Trump said he did not believe the FBI's crime numbers are true. The FBI's compilation of crime statistics showed a significant drop in violent crime in 2023. Trump said they are "fake" numbers. He did not explain the basis of his belief.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/22/us-crime-stats-warning-experts-fbi
The FBI released its annual national crime stats. The data is horribly incomplete

Annual report shows violent crimes dipped by 2% in 2022 but only 83% of US law enforcement agencies submitted data


After a spike of homicides in 2020 and 2021, the rate of violent crimes, including homicide, in the US fell last year to pre-pandemic levels, even as other types of crime increased, data released this week by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) show.

But experts say these findings should be viewed with caution, since much of it is based on incomplete data from local police departments.

The FBI data is based on voluntary reporting by individual law enforcement agencies, and last year, half of US police departments, including those in big cities such as Los Angeles and New York, failed to submit data for 2021.

In 2022, 83% of US law enforcement agencies submitted data to the federal government, which means that about 10% of the population is not represented in this data, according to the FBI. And while more localities are included in this year’s data release, researchers caution that department data can also be “patchy” because less than half of the nation’s violent crimes, like rapes and robberies, are reported to law enforcement, according to the Appeal.

I hate to piss in your cornflakes ClydeR, but the FBI’s data is indeed sketchy & incomplete at best.

[Anebriated]

Its almost like if you reduce the number of police available and decriminalize many criminal activities, crime numbers will go down...

[Suppressed Poet]

When the current FBI can’t even bother to investigate a bag of cocaine left in the White House, one of the most filmed and secure places in all of the United States, they lose all credibility. The FBI and DOJ are highly selective of their investigations & prosecutions based solely on political bias. I would treat any report from the FBI with the same degree of skepticism as the historical Nazi’s Gestapo or the Soviet Union’s KGB.

[ClydeR]

Its almost like if you reduce the number of police available and decriminalize many criminal activities, crime numbers will go down...

The number of police decreased and violent crime rates increased during the Trump administration. The number of police has increased and crime rates have fallen during the Biden administration. So far as I can tell, it is mostly a matter of local action, not national leadership. The pandemic apparently caused a lot of police resignations or retirements.

https://www.policeforum.org/staffing2024#:~:text=For%20the%20first%20time%20si nce,of%20the%20previous%20four%20years.

[Methais]

The number of police decreased and violent crime rates increased during the Trump administration. The number of police has increased and crime rates have fallen during the Biden administration. So far as I can tell, it is mostly a matter of local action, not national leadership. The pandemic apparently caused a lot of police resignations or retirements.

https://www.policeforum.org/staffing2024#:~:text=For%20the%20first%20time%20si nce,of%20the%20previous%20four%20years.

You really are trying to earn that title shot, aren't you?

[~Rocktar~]

Its almost like if you reduce the number of police available and decriminalize many criminal activities, crime numbers will go down...

Can't count what you won't arrest, won't charge and won't prosecute. I mean hey, shoplifting is down in LA and SanFran since they won't arrest or prosecute pretty much anyone. amirite?

[Methais]

Can't count what you won't arrest, won't charge and won't prosecute. I mean hey, shoplifting is down in LA and SanFran since they won't arrest or prosecute pretty much anyone. amirite?

That's way too much for ClydeRetard's retard brain to be able to process.

[Parkbandit]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/22/us-crime-stats-warning-experts-fbi
The FBI released its annual national crime stats. The data is horribly incomplete

Annual report shows violent crimes dipped by 2% in 2022 but only 83% of US law enforcement agencies submitted data

I hate to piss in your cornflakes ClydeR, but the FBI’s data is indeed sketchy & incomplete at best.

Biden's way of showing a 2% of decreased crime: Have 17% of the US law enforcement agencies stop providing the data.

ClydeR: "OMG CRIME WENT DOWN UNDER BIDEN! I TOLD YOU IF EVERYONE JUST STAYS UNDER THEIR BEDS LIKE ME, EVERYTHING WILL BE LESS SCARY!"
sErAn: "BIDEN I'S TEH BES'T PRES'IDENT EVER!"

[ClydeR]

Annual report shows violent crimes dipped by 2% in 2022 but only 83% of US law enforcement agencies submitted data

Why is 2022 relevant?

[~Rocktar~]

Why is 2022 relevant?

Because typically, with these kinds of figures, since there is a substantial lag due to collecting data, they are often several years behind before accurate numbers are reached. Before that they are estimates and subject to regular update.

[Parkbandit]

Some of the US law enforcement agencies that didn't report data to the FBI:

NY Police Department, NY
LA Police Department, CA
Phoenix Police Dept, AZ
Suffolk County Police Dept, NY
Nassau County Police Dept, NY
San Jose Police Dept, Calif.

"LOOK AT HOW CRIME IS DOWN UNDER BIDEN!" -ClydeR

You fucking muppet.

[Parkbandit]

ONCE AGAIN TRUMP IS FUCKING RIGHT!

Like most of your attention whoring threads, this one bit you in the ass ClydeR (Hard R)

[~Rocktar~]

Some of the US law enforcement agencies that didn't report data to the FBI:

NY Police Department, NY
LA Police Department, CA
Phoenix Police Dept, AZ
Suffolk County Police Dept, NY
Nassau County Police Dept, NY
San Jose Police Dept, Calif.

"LOOK AT HOW CRIME IS DOWN UNDER BIDEN!" -ClydeR

You fucking muppet.

Oh look, Leftist shitholes LA and NY not reporting crime. Amazing how that works . . .

[Parkbandit]

Oh look, Leftist shitholes LA and NY not reporting crime. Amazing how that works . . .

"BUT CRIME IS DOWN! NUMBERS DON'T LIE!" -ClydeR(Hard R)

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The number of police decreased and violent crime rates increased during the Trump administration. The number of police has increased and crime rates have fallen during the Biden administration. So far as I can tell, it is mostly a matter of local action, not national leadership. The pandemic apparently caused a lot of police resignations or retirements.

https://www.policeforum.org/staffing2024#:~:text=For%20the%20first%20time%20si nce,of%20the%20previous%20four%20years.

What you mean to say is that BLM rioting and local politicians and federal squad members cheering them on as saviors of our country and demonization of the police force by democrats, in combination with required kung flu shots caused a lot of LEOs to decide they didn't need to be griefed by the public and politicians so they said screw it and quit.

[Seran]

https://www.theguardian.com (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/22/us-crime-stats-warning-experts-fbi).

Post lost all relevance right there, of course they wrote a misleading spin piece.

[Parkbandit]

Post lost all relevance right there, of course they wrote a misleading spin piece.

Prior to this post, ClydeR was the biggest retard by a very large margin.

sErAn couldn't stand him getting all the Retard love and was like "Hold my soy, double pump vanilla, extra sugar latte."

[ClydeR]

Because typically, with these kinds of figures, since there is a substantial lag due to collecting data, they are often several years behind before accurate numbers are reached. Before that they are estimates and subject to regular update.

True. But the best evidence currently available indicates that violent crime rates have fallen. Future refinements of current numbers are unlikely to do more than move the final numbers one percent. There is no contradictory evidence, not even preliminary numbers, to support Trump's contention that crime rates have risen.

[Methais]

True. But the best evidence currently available indicates that violent crime rates have fallen. Future refinements of current numbers are unlikely to do more than move the final numbers one percent. There is no contradictory evidence, not even preliminary numbers, to support Trump's contention that crime rates have risen.

No, you're just a retard who hasn't gone outside in several years.

[Methais]

Post lost all relevance right there, of course they wrote a misleading spin piece.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?126822-Trump-October-Surprise-Giuliani-in-Borat-2&highlight=theguardian


I don't think it'll go without saying that Rudy Giuliani is about to make a bigger splash in the media with his on camera dalliance than he did with his planted laptop story.

You've really got to wonder how many Russian correspondents that Rudy Giuliani must've bagged while he was helping manufacturer evidence in Eastern Europe earlier this year to have such smooth? moves with this actress playing a Russian reporter in Borat 2.



https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/oct/21/rudy-giuliani-faces-questions-after-compromising-scene-in-new-borat-film


That's just using the shitty barely working built in search feature that sucks almost as much balls as you and ClydeR do. I have 0 doubt that there are plenty more like it from you.

Ever wonder what your miserable greasy existence would be like if you had any self awareness?

[Suppressed Poet]

True. But the best evidence currently available indicates that violent crime rates have fallen. Future refinements of current numbers are unlikely to do more than move the final numbers one percent. There is no contradictory evidence, not even preliminary numbers, to support Trump's contention that crime rates have risen.

The FBI’s data is incomplete by a significant margin which makes the entire report invalid & inconclusive. The interviewer attempted to use said report as infallible gospel that violent crime has decreased under Biden. Trump challenged that, and your original post made it sound like he is a bumbling idiot with absolutely no basis for doing so. Clearly he does.

Common Democrat playbook: Don’t believe your lying eyes & ears. Crime is down! The border is secure! The economy is great! The world is at peace! The “experts” have spoken. Vote blue to continue the utopia!
https://1984webquest.weebly.com/uploads/1/5/0/0/15007292/9615192_orig.png?0

[Suppressed Poet]

Post lost all relevance right there, of course they wrote a misleading spin piece.

:rofl:

Are you capable of making just one post that isn’t contradictory & hypocritical?

[Seran]

True. But the best evidence currently available indicates that violent crime rates have fallen. Future refinements of current numbers are unlikely to do more than move the final numbers one percent. There is no contradictory evidence, not even preliminary numbers, to support Trump's contention that crime rates have risen.

You expect evidence to support the contrary argument? What sort of communist are you, facts shouldn't be countered with evidence, only unsupported, weak supposition!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Post lost all relevance right there, of course they wrote a misleading spin piece.

Incoming Slate, Mother Jones, CNN, Huff post, Reid Out, The View and The Militant articles/videos from Seran as gospel.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

And just my two cents here

If the statistical sample size is large enough, 83% of anything should be representative of the whole. My questions would center around has anything about the reporting changed (definitions of crime, laws changing, exclusions and inclusions changing, etc). Working with statistics is really easy to over index something or introduce prejudices and skew results.

Personally, I'd just say what do you see going on in your neighborhood and on your local news. Is it worse or better. From my perspective (excluding recent Gaza craziness) it's the same in my suburban neighborhood. In the more crime ridden parts of town, it looks the same to me, and in the more affluent parts of town, it looks the same to me. I also don't live near any of the far left or far right "strongholds" so maybe that's it.

[Methais]

And just my two cents here

If the statistical sample size is large enough, 83% of anything should be representative of the whole. My questions would center around has anything about the reporting changed (definitions of crime, laws changing, exclusions and inclusions changing, etc). Working with statistics is really easy to over index something or introduce prejudices and skew results.

Personally, I'd just say what do you see going on in your neighborhood and on your local news. Is it worse or better. From my perspective (excluding recent Gaza craziness) it's the same in my suburban neighborhood. In the more crime ridden parts of town, it looks the same to me, and in the more affluent parts of town, it looks the same to me. I also don't live near any of the far left or far right "strongholds" so maybe that's it.

It's probably more about "If you don't charge criminals with crimes, the crime rate goes down!"

And retards like ClydeRetard and Seran swallow it like it's their uncle's dick and are like:

https://media1.tenor.com/m/P5_hF2KzfqEAAAAC/uhhuh-clap.gif

[~Rocktar~]

True. But the best evidence currently available indicates that violent crime rates have fallen. Future refinements of current numbers are unlikely to do more than move the final numbers one percent. There is no contradictory evidence, not even preliminary numbers, to support Trump's contention that crime rates have risen.

No. Take the numbers from a few years back, remove the cities and counties not reporting and it tells a different story. And that is before you take into account that many Lefist shitholes are not arresting and prosecuting crimes like shoplifting, burglary, home invasion, simple assault and car theft.

BTW, according to insurance companies, car theft and vandalism is up significantly.

[Suppressed Poet]

And just my two cents here

If the statistical sample size is large enough, 83% of anything should be representative of the whole. My questions would center around has anything about the reporting changed (definitions of crime, laws changing, exclusions and inclusions changing, etc). Working with statistics is really easy to over index something or introduce prejudices and skew results.

Personally, I'd just say what do you see going on in your neighborhood and on your local news. Is it worse or better. From my perspective (excluding recent Gaza craziness) it's the same in my suburban neighborhood. In the more crime ridden parts of town, it looks the same to me, and in the more affluent parts of town, it looks the same to me. I also don't live near any of the far left or far right "strongholds" so maybe that's it.

I’m fortunate enough to live in an affluent & gated neighborhood in Dallas, TX. The only crime that ever happens in my immediate neighborhood is punk teenage kids of well-to-do families doing punk teenage things like minor vandalism & theft of items left in unlocked cars on the street. Even that is very rare. My neighborhood is also heavily populated by Jews and is/was the historical concentration of them in Dallas (though it’s much more diverse today vs 20+ years ago). Being close to University of Texas at Dallas has me a little cautious with the pro-Hamas riots on campus, but otherwise my neighborhood would be a poor evaluation of crime in the city. Others and the majority of residents of the city are not so fortunate.

We’ve had our fair share of leftists judges & prosecuting attorneys that practice bail reform ($0 or low bail amount for crimes). We have leftist city council members that are actively trying to abolish single family residence zoning in the name of racial justice, which would make it so any home could be turned into a duplex / quadplex & rented to multiple tenants. The homeless population in the city has skyrocketed in the last few years and you see more of them panhandling all over the city. There were certain neighborhoods that were previously cleaned up years ago (Deep Ellum for example) that have now fallen back into decay & crime ridden. Judging by what I see for myself on a daily basis not using statistics, overall crime is slowly getting worse every year.

[Parkbandit]

True. But the best evidence currently available indicates that violent crime rates have fallen. Future refinements of current numbers are unlikely to do more than move the final numbers one percent. There is no contradictory evidence, not even preliminary numbers, to support Trump's contention that crime rates have risen.

So, just to reflect...

ClydeR: "Trump is an idiot, he said FBI is releasing numbers that aren't right about crime decreasing over the past couple of years"
Normal people: "It might be because the FBI isn't collecting data from 17% of all US law enforcement agencies.. including from NYC and LA.. since 2022"
ClydeR: "BUT CRIME IS DOWN! NUMBERS DON'T LIE!"
Normal people: "Jesus, how fucking stupid are you?"
sErAn: "I HAVE THE CHAMPIONCHIP BELT FOUR THE BIGGES'T RETARD HEAR, NOT HIM!"

Normal people:

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[drumpel]

The FBI’s data is incomplete by a significant margin which makes the entire report invalid & inconclusive. The interviewer attempted to use said report as infallible gospel that violent crime has decreased under Biden. Trump challenged that, and your original post made it sound like he is a bumbling idiot with absolutely no basis for doing so. Clearly he does.

Common Democrat playbook: Don’t believe your lying eyes & ears. Crime is down! The border is secure! The economy is great! The world is at peace! The “experts” have spoken. Vote blue to continue the utopia!
https://1984webquest.weebly.com/uploads/1/5/0/0/15007292/9615192_orig.png?0

The problem with those people too stupid to know differently is that Trump is very well informed by his people.

I used to listen to the KQRS morning show when Tom Barnard was on it (he retired a year or so back). At one point in time Tom said most people don't understand how well informed Donald Trump is when you talk to him. Tom said when he got to interview Donald Trump years ago, Trump knew everything about him and the others on the show. Trump knew about Tom's family and was well versed in everything they spoke about.

I guarantee that if Trump said the numbers are a lie it's because he's been kept up to speed about these things by his people and he's not just running his mouth because he likes to hear himself talk.

[ClydeR]

I guarantee that if Trump said the numbers are a lie it's because he's been kept up to speed about these things by his people and he's not just running his mouth because he likes to hear himself talk.

LOL! I wouldn't recommend guaranteeing anything Trump says.
When you have a few free hours, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_Trump

[Tgo01]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/22/us-crime-stats-warning-experts-fbi
The FBI released its annual national crime stats. The data is horribly incomplete

Annual report shows violent crimes dipped by 2% in 2022 but only 83% of US law enforcement agencies submitted data



I hate to piss in your cornflakes ClydeR, but the FBI’s data is indeed sketchy & incomplete at best.

Just tuning in to this thread. I specifically remember reading that, I believe it was NYC, who said they weren't going to report their crime data to the FBI anymore because it was racist or some shit.

So, once again, Trump is right.

[Parkbandit]

Just tuning in to this thread. I specifically remember reading that, I believe it was NYC, who said they weren't going to report their crime data to the FBI anymore because it was racist or some shit.

So, once again, Trump is right.

I can guarantee you that it's a liberal city... because only a racist like a liberal would equate crime and race.

[drumpel]

LOL! I wouldn't recommend guaranteeing anything Trump says.
When you have a few free hours, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_Trump

Quick! Let's use wikipedia as a reference to something!

https://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyydqyTSTB1rn95k2o1_500.gif

[Parkbandit]

LOL! I wouldn't recommend guaranteeing anything Trump says.
When you have a few free hours, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_Trump

Is there a link to a wikipedia page of false or misleading statements by Joe Biden? Or Barack Obama? Or George W Bush?

Wonder why there isn't.....

You're such a useful retard.

[Seran]

I’m fortunate enough to live in an affluent & gated neighborhood in Dallas, TX. The only crime that ever happens in my immediate neighborhood is punk teenage kids of well-to-do families doing punk teenage things like minor vandalism & theft of items left in unlocked cars on the street. Even that is very rare. My neighborhood is also heavily populated by Jews and is/was the historical concentration of them in Dallas (though it’s much more diverse today vs 20+ years ago). Being close to University of Texas at Dallas has me a little cautious with the pro-Hamas riots on campus, but otherwise my neighborhood would be a poor evaluation of crime in the city. Others and the majority of residents of the city are not so fortunate.

We’ve had our fair share of leftists judges & prosecuting attorneys that practice bail reform ($0 or low bail amount for crimes). We have leftist city council members that are actively trying to abolish single family residence zoning in the name of racial justice, which would make it so any home could be turned into a duplex / quadplex & rented to multiple tenants. The homeless population in the city has skyrocketed in the last few years and you see more of them panhandling all over the city. There were certain neighborhoods that were previously cleaned up years ago (Deep Ellum for example) that have now fallen back into decay & crime ridden. Judging by what I see for myself on a daily basis not using statistics, overall crime is slowly getting worse every year.

Way to imply that your perception of local events somehow overrides the credibility of the published statistics by the FBI showing crime is dropping.

[Methais]

Way to imply that your perception of local events somehow overrides the credibility of the published statistics by the FBI showing crime is dropping.

Way to fail to realized that 83% is 17% less than 100%.

Learn how to count to ten first, then come back and we'll work on getting you to be able to handle counting to 100.

[Tgo01]

Even if blue cities/states didn't stop sending their crime stats to the FBI like they used to, are Democrats forgetting that California has effectively legalized shoplifting and prostitution?

This is like Democrats legalizing rape one day then the following year claiming they have put a stop to all rapes in this country because no one has been arrested for rape in the past year.

It's the same shit they pulled when they legalized marijuana, "Look! Crime is down!" Yeah because you legalized what was previously a crime. Not saying they shouldn't have legalized marijuana, just saying you can't legalize something then point to a decrease in crime and pretend the two aren't at least partially related.

[kutter]

I am too lazy to dig out the numbers but just an anecdotal look at who did not report the crime statistics reflects a large percentage of the population in the US since it is almost all densely populated areas, so to say that the missing 17% is not significant is not accurate if it reflects something like 40% of the US population, that is just a guess, but I bet it is not that far off.

Most of the time I would agree that 83% is a reasonable number to obtain a mean average, but in this case I think the locations/populations that did not report skew the numbers and probably pretty dramatically.

[Seran]

I am too lazy to dig out the numbers but just an anecdotal look at who did not report the crime statistics reflects a large percentage of the population in the US since it is almost all densely populated areas, so to say that the missing 17% is not significant is not accurate if it reflects something like 40% of the US population, that is just a guess, but I bet it is not that far off.

Most of the time I would agree that 83% is a reasonable number to obtain a mean average, but in this case I think the locations/populations that did not report skew the numbers and probably pretty dramatically.

So, like SP you believe your unsupported argument is sufficient to disregard hard numbers altogether, for reasons you're too lazy to cite.

[Methais]

So, like SP you believe your unsupported argument is sufficient to disregard hard numbers altogether, for reasons you're too lazy to cite.

Incomplete numbers are the opposite of "hard numbers" you fucking mongoloid. :rofl:

[ClydeR]

Incomplete numbers are the opposite of "hard numbers" you fucking mongoloid. :rofl:

...said Methais on the second day of Asian Pacific American Heritage Month.

[Seran]

I can only imagine the mental gymnastics required to move goalposts to fit such a delusional perspective. To think that these same people cream their pants whenever 1500 people take a poll showing a favorable outcome and call it an affirmation, but 83% of law enforcement agencies in the entire United States, 83%, somehow isn't a valid sample size.

[Methais]

...said Methais on the second day of Asian Pacific American Heritage Month.

Not those mongoloids.

These mongoloids.

https://i.imgur.com/kkBlkxp.png

And this, minus the working part

https://i.imgur.com/MLC0iqd.png



If that's too much for you to understand, which it is, then here is the simplest definition

https://i.imgur.com/ppZMlQg.png

[Tgo01]

I can only imagine the mental gymnastics required to move goalposts to fit such a delusional perspective. To think that these same people cream their pants whenever 1500 people take a poll showing a favorable outcome and call it an affirmation, but 83% of law enforcement agencies in the entire United States, 83%, somehow isn't a valid sample size.

You're comparing an opinion poll to actual raw data?

This is like saying we have 83% of the knowledge required to build a rocket ship, we can just fudge the other 17% and build a perfectly working rocket ship that won't explode as soon as we launch it.

[Suppressed Poet]

You're comparing an opinion poll to actual raw data?

This is like saying we have 83% of the knowledge required to build a rocket ship, we can just fudge the other 17% and build a perfectly working rocket ship that won't explode as soon as we launch it.

In all fairness, Seran has only 83% of the mental capacity of the average mongoloid.

[kutter]

As Mr. Twain said, "Lies, damned lies, and statistics".

So some quick calculations with what I could find municipalities/counties/states that did not report, my list was by no means all inclusive but did represent a lot of high population density areas that have historically had crime problems.

So just a quick look revealed that at least 70.594 million people live in areas that did not report crime statistics and this number was low because I did not feel like digging down for every one. This constitutes 21 percent of the US population, again at a minimum and these are again, high population density areas that typically have higher crime rates. So it is not 83% as someone said, the big question is how many did I miss in my very brief survey and just how low could the number go. It is all well and good to say that a certain percentage of LE agencies reported, but how many people did each one represent versus the ones that did not report. That is the real question.

And not all of this is the LE agencies fault, apparently the FBI implemented a new reporting system and it appears that everything is under reported right now, which makes me wonder even more.

[Methais]

In all fairness, Seran has only 83% of the mental capacity of the average mongoloid.

That's way too generous. It's more like 3%.

[Methais]

In all fairness, Seran has only 83% of the mental capacity of the average mongoloid.

That's way too generous. It's more like 3%.

[Seran]

As Mr. Twain said, "Lies, damned lies, and statistics".

So some quick calculations with what I could find municipalities/counties/states that did not report, my list was by no means all inclusive but did represent a lot of high population density areas that have historically had crime problems.

So just a quick look revealed that at least 70.594 million people live in areas that did not report crime statistics and this number was low because I did not feel like digging down for every one. This constitutes 21 percent of the US population, again at a minimum and these are again, high population density areas that typically have higher crime rates. So it is not 83% as someone said, the big question is how many did I miss in my very brief survey and just how low could the number go. It is all well and good to say that a certain percentage of LE agencies reported, but how many people did each one represent versus the ones that did not report. That is the real question.

And not all of this is the LE agencies fault, apparently the FBI implemented a new reporting system and it appears that everything is under reported right now, which makes me wonder even more.

And so you double down on the belief that data shouldn't be released, because information which wasn't submitted and wasn't available, couldn't be tabulated. Mmhmm.

Crime is down, get over it.

[Anebriated]

using the same logic, trump was right. If we just stopped testing for covid the number of cases would go down.

[Parkbandit]

And so you double down on the belief that data shouldn't be released, because information which wasn't submitted and wasn't available, couldn't be tabulated. Mmhmm.

Crime is down, get over it.

See.. it's shit like this that makes people stand up and support your championship reign.

Even ClydeR realized it was a stupid hill to die on when he realized that 17% of the US law enforcement departments didn't submit any data and that would obviously skew the data towards "less crime"... but not you!

No sir.. you will continue to stand alone on this retard hill, defending it to the end.

Because you are the GOAT Retard Champion.

https://i.imgur.com/V1fLHGm.jpg

[Tgo01]

Okay since it seems like Democrats are ignoring the fact that many cities are no longer reporting their crime stats to the FBI and many places have legalized crimes such as shoplifting and prostitution, what exactly is the working theory here for why crime is down?

What exactly have Biden and Democrats done to reduce the crime levels in the short time they have been in power? Defund the police? Is that what this is all about? We can defund the police and actually REDUCE crime levels? By that logic we can completely remove every police officer in the country and we would then have no crime at all right?

Also isn't it funny how "defund the police" never targets the FBI? Weird that.

[Parkbandit]

The belt will have to be retired after you drown yourself in your own pile of filth, so I made it personalized.

https://i.imgur.com/6Vgia2u.jpg

[Seran]

Amusing to witness the logical fallacy that assumes the 17% of data would show crime had risen. Purely on the information available, which shows crime is down, the only logical conclusion that can be reached is that crime is down.

[Tgo01]

Amusing to witness the logical fallacy that assumes the 17% of data would show crime had risen. Purely on the information available, which shows crime is down, the only logical conclusion that can be reached is that crime is down.

What's the magic number, Seran? If we only had 1% of the data and it showed crime was down, can we conclude that crime across the whole US was down?

Imagine admitting to not having all of the data, and still arriving at a conclusion as if we did have all of the data, and actually laughing at others who say we need all of the data to come to an accurate conclusion.

Normally I would say such a person would be laughed out of a college course for pulling this stunt, but these days the college professor would probably immediately pass you with a 100% perfect grade as long as you concluded with "I hate Jews!"

So you're in good company, Seran.

[Methais]

And so you double down on the belief that data shouldn't be released, because information which wasn't submitted and wasn't available, couldn't be tabulated. Mmhmm.

Crime is down, get over it.

No one's saying it should be erased. Pretty much everyone except you, because you're retarded, is saying the data should be complete.

But you can't help but be the useful idiot that democrats depend on 24/7, so no one is surprised that you'd post something this stupid and then double down on it forever.



using the same logic, trump was right. If we just stopped testing for covid the number of cases would go down.

In before Seran says THATS DIFFERENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Methais]

Because you are the FOAT Retard Champion.

https://i.imgur.com/V1fLHGm.jpg

Fixed. Because Seran is the failest of all time retard champion.

[ClydeR]

What's the magic number, Seran?

60%.

[ClydeR]

Even ClydeR realized it was a stupid hill to die on when he realized that 17% of the US law enforcement departments didn't submit any data and that would obviously skew the data towards "less crime"... but not you!

You're a mind reader now?

I've not seen any reason to think that failure to achieve a 100% response rate makes the reported crime rates inaccurate. To emphasize, the report is about crime rates. In most statistical measures based on voluntary responses, a 60% response rate is considered adequate to project conclusions about the entire population.

Some localities have difficulty complying with the NIBRS electronic reporting format. Some of those localities are large cities, but the compliance problem is mostly with small police departments.

The cities of New York (https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/p00098/nypd-december-2023-end-of-year-citywide-crime-statistics) and Los Angeles (https://www.lapdonline.org/newsroom/the-los-angeles-police-departments-end-of-the-year-crime-and-initiatives-nr24027bb-lr) have independently reported decreases in violent crime in 2023.

You are arguing for what you want -- increasing violent crime rates -- instead of what exists in reality.

[Parkbandit]

Even ClydeR realized it was a stupid hill to die on when he realized that 17% of the US law enforcement departments didn't submit any data and that would obviously skew the data towards "less crime"... but not you!


You're a mind reader now?

I've not seen any reason to think that failure to achieve a 100% response rate makes the reported crime rates inaccurate. To emphasize, the report is about crime rates. In most statistical measures based on voluntary responses, a 60% response rate is considered adequate to project conclusions about the entire population.

Some localities have difficulty complying with the NIBRS electronic reporting format. Some of those localities are large cities, but the compliance problem is mostly with small police departments.

The cities of New York (https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/p00098/nypd-december-2023-end-of-year-citywide-crime-statistics) and Los Angeles (https://www.lapdonline.org/newsroom/the-los-angeles-police-departments-end-of-the-year-crime-and-initiatives-nr24027bb-lr) have independently reported decreases in violent crime in 2023.

You are arguing for what you want -- increasing violent crime rates -- instead of what exists in reality.

I should never have assumed you would be smart enough to let your retarded thread just die without quadrupling down on your original stupidity.

I just assumed you can't possibly be as dumb as sErAn and you were like "Mama, hold my cold cuts you had to go get for me.. I'm going in for another shot!"

I apologize for that assumption. It's my fault because I should have known better than to question the level of your retardation.

[Methais]

I should never have assumed you would be smart enough to let your retarded thread just die without quadrupling down on your original stupidity.

I just assumed you can't possibly be as dumb as sErAn and you were like "Mama, hold my cold cuts you had to go get for me.. I'm going in for another shot!"

I apologize for that assumption. It's my fault because I should have known better than to question the level of your retardation.

I hope you learned your lesson.

[Suppressed Poet]

Some localities have difficulty complying with the NIBRS electronic reporting format. Some of those localities are large cities, but the compliance problem is mostly with small police departments.

Biden administration: Stop the count!

FBI:

https://youtu.be/Fy3rjQGc6lA?si=FbvxBUahvvpCaW74

[Suppressed Poet]

Y’all remember when Andrew Cuomo falsified and manipulated Covid death data to cover up his retarded policies that caused the accidental deaths of elderly people in nursing homes? Remember idiots like Seran and ClydeR reoeating the mainstream media narrative for them and telling us to trust the science? That’s exactly what they are doing here with crime, because they don’t want people to see the obvious chaos that comes with defunding police, decriminalization of retail theft, and so-called bail reform.

[Methais]

Y’all remember when Andrew Cuomo falsified and manipulated Covid death data to cover up his retarded policies that caused the accidental deaths of elderly people in nursing homes? Remember idiots like Seran and ClydeR reoeating the mainstream media narrative for them and telling us to trust the science? That’s exactly what they are doing here with crime, because they don’t want people to see the obvious chaos that comes with defunding police, decriminalization of retail theft, and so-called bail reform.

It's a good thing they have ultra stupid retards like Seran to vote blue no matter who in exchange for a welfare check.

[Parkbandit]

I hope you learned your lesson.

https://media.tenor.com/dmY785KBmyYAAAAi/yes-i-did-sonny-fisher.gif

[Seran]

Y’all remember when Andrew Cuomo falsified and manipulated Covid death data to cover up his retarded policies that caused the accidental deaths of elderly people in nursing homes? Remember idiots like Seran and ClydeR reoeating the mainstream media narrative for them and telling us to trust the science? That’s exactly what they are doing here with crime, because they don’t want people to see the obvious chaos that comes with defunding police, decriminalization of retail theft, and so-called bail reform.

The science shows elderly people are more prone to debilitating or fatal complications of covid-19 infection, that is accurate. Not quite sure what pseudoscience you're pandering here to deflect from lower crime rates.

[Seran]

You're a mind reader now?

I've not seen any reason to think that failure to achieve a 100% response rate makes the reported crime rates inaccurate. To emphasize, the report is about crime rates. In most statistical measures based on voluntary responses, a 60% response rate is considered adequate to project conclusions about the entire population.

Some localities have difficulty complying with the NIBRS electronic reporting format. Some of those localities are large cities, but the compliance problem is mostly with small police departments.

The cities of New York (https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/p00098/nypd-december-2023-end-of-year-citywide-crime-statistics) and Los Angeles (https://www.lapdonline.org/newsroom/the-los-angeles-police-departments-end-of-the-year-crime-and-initiatives-nr24027bb-lr) have independently reported decreases in violent crime in 2023.

You are arguing for what you want -- increasing violent crime rates -- instead of what exists in reality.

Pretty sure PB was trying to make the argument he won the debate because you hadn't re-responded to repeated misinformation you already debunked.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

60%.

A percentage is bullshit. Sample size is what matters.

[Anebriated]

The science shows elderly people are more prone to debilitating or fatal complications of covid-19 infection, that is accurate. Not quite sure what pseudoscience you're pandering here to deflect from lower crime rates.

Yes, they are. So sending them back into their nursing homes and infecting the other residents was one of the dumbest moves you could make... Unless the goal was to raise the death count. Relevant because in a similar fashion a decision was made to make obvious crimes, not crimes, in this case to lower the crime rate. In both instances politics influenced policy to get the desired outcome they can use to stoke fear or prevent it. The sheep eat it up.

[Suppressed Poet]

A percentage is bullshit. Sample size is what matters.

https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/C5622AQFSHJHlLUN1Mg/feedshare-shrink_2048_1536/0/1677462317662?e=2147483647&v=beta&t=S8yNL8e0kooxg5C6Yv8sO1ERhAULeLkR-Ryj1clcwoM

[Seran]

Yes, they are. So sending them back into their nursing homes and infecting the other residents was one of the dumbest moves you could make... Unless the goal was to raise the death count. Relevant because in a similar fashion a decision was made to make obvious crimes, not crimes, in this case to lower the crime rate. In both instances politics influenced policy to get the desired outcome they can use to stoke fear or prevent it. The sheep eat it up.

83% of law enforcement agencies reported data, the contents of which showed a lower crime rate. Get over it.

[Suppressed Poet]

83% of law enforcement agencies reported data, the contents of which showed a lower crime rate. Get over it.

Since Biden took office the CBP have logged 5.4 million illegal boarder crossings and estimated at minimum 1.5 got-aways. Most if not all of those are attached to human trafficking which is a violent crime. Did the FBI include those numbers in their report?

[Anebriated]

Also, context is key. Like the inflation numbers people get lost in the year over year calculations.


The FBI reported that violent crimes increased an estimated 5.6% in 2020 and remained at that elevated level in 2021, dipping by just 1%.

The 29% estimated increase in murders in 2020 was particularly shocking, and murders jumped another 4.3% in 2021 estimates.

The FBI’s national crime estimates for 2022 found that violent crime decreased 1.7% and there were 6.7% fewer murders. Complete FBI crime data for 2023 won’t be released until the fall, but quarterly reports show violent crime continuing to drop.

So congrats on the drop, we're almost back to ~10% higher than the Trump era even if 2023 does average out to the 15% they are hoping for in the article. And thats without the extra 17% reporting in.

[ClydeR]

So congrats on the drop, we're almost back to ~10% higher than the Trump era even if 2023 does average out to the 15% they are hoping for in the article. And thats without the extra 17% reporting in.

You're forgetting when we changed Presidents. Trump was president during 100% of 2020 when you say we had a crime surge. He was president for only 5% of 2021.

[Seran]

Also, context is key. Like the inflation numbers people get lost in the year over year calculations.



So congrats on the drop, we're almost back to ~10% higher than the Trump era even if 2023 does average out to the 15% they are hoping for in the article. And thats without the extra 17% reporting in.

Whoa, are you bragging about a 29% increase in murders and a 5.6% overall increase in violent crimes during Trump's final year?

[Methais]

83% of law enforcement agencies reported data, the contents of which showed a lower crime rate. Get over it.

You trying to understand the very basics of numbers:

https://i.imgur.com/Zhx0AWS.gif


Everyting else too, but right now we're talking about numbers.

[Suppressed Poet]

Alright ClydeR and Seran… Let’s go to la-la land for a moment and pretend that the FBI’s report is totally valid & take it on face value we have had a slow but steady decrease in crime each year since Biden took office. What would you say were Biden’s policies that contributed to decreasing the crime rate? Be specific.

[Tgo01]

Democrats: Let's get totally violent and rape, murder, and pillage while Trump is in office and our elected Democrat officials will turn a blind eye to the crime. Then when a Democrat is elected president we'll stop being so violent so we can say Biden reduced the crime rate!

[Seran]

Alright ClydeR and Seran… Let’s go to la-la land for a moment and pretend that the FBI’s report is totally valid & take it on face value we have had a slow but steady decrease in crime each year since Biden took office. What would you say were Biden’s policies that contributed to decreasing the crime rate? Be specific.

I forgot I owed a duty to you to answer your questions.. oh wait, nevermind, I don't. Enjoy the falling crimes rate citizen!

[ClydeR]

Alright ClydeR and Seran… Let’s go to la-la land for a moment and pretend that the FBI’s report is totally valid & take it on face value we have had a slow but steady decrease in crime each year since Biden took office. What would you say were Biden’s policies that contributed to decreasing the crime rate? Be specific.

The answer is jobs! Trump was the first president since Herbert Hoover to leave office with fewer jobs than when he entered. Biden has a better jobs creation record than any President in our time.

As Anebriated pointed out earlier in this thread, starting from a predecessor's extremely negative position can make you look better. Biden's crime numbers benefitted because they are in comparison to the high crime rates in effect when Trump left office. Similarly, Biden's jobs numbers benefitted from the historically horrendous jobs losses during Trump's term.


https://i.imgur.com/2rQlb2l.png

[ClydeR]

Democrats: Let's get totally violent and rape, murder, and pillage while Trump is in office and our elected Democrat officials will turn a blind eye to the crime. Then when a Democrat is elected president we'll stop being so violent so we can say Biden reduced the crime rate!

This guy figured it out.

[Anebriated]

Democrats: Let's get totally violent and rape, murder, and pillage while Trump is in office and our elected Democrat officials will turn a blind eye to the crime. Then when a Democrat is elected president we'll stop being so violent so we can say Biden reduced the crime rate!

Summer of Love was definitely Trumps fault... come on now!

[Parkbandit]

The answer is jobs! Trump was the first president since Herbert Hoover to leave office with fewer jobs than when he entered. Biden has a better jobs creation record than any President in our time.

As Anebriated pointed out earlier in this thread, starting from a predecessor's extremely negative position can make you look better. Biden's crime numbers benefitted because they are in comparison to the high crime rates in effect when Trump left office. Similarly, Biden's jobs numbers benefitted from the historically horrendous jobs losses during Trump's term.


https://i.imgur.com/2rQlb2l.png


I haven't heard something so retarded.. since Nancy Pelosi tried to pass the same line of "reasoning" on MSNBC 3 days ago:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PWghHTJQHU

Stop being so retarded... you will never out retard sErAn no matter how hard you try.

[Methais]

The answer is jobs! Trump was the first president since Herbert Hoover to leave office with fewer jobs than when he entered. Biden has a better jobs creation record than any President in our time.

As Anebriated pointed out earlier in this thread, starting from a predecessor's extremely negative position can make you look better. Biden's crime numbers benefitted because they are in comparison to the high crime rates in effect when Trump left office. Similarly, Biden's jobs numbers benefitted from the historically horrendous jobs losses during Trump's term.


https://i.imgur.com/2rQlb2l.png

lol

Look how stupid you are.

[Suppressed Poet]

So Seran can’t answer because MSNBC didn’t tell him why. ClydeR thinks it’s jobs and chooses to ignore we had 3 good years with Trump until a little something called Covid happened.

[Suppressed Poet]

Summer of Love was definitely Trumps fault... come on now!

So was Covid. Trump’s fart caused it to happen.

[ClydeR]

ClydeR thinks it’s jobs and chooses to ignore we had 3 good years with Trump until a little something called Covid happened.

Did you just assume that, or did you actually look it up before saying it? The three good years were unexceptional. Trump's unforced error in engaging in a unilateral trade war with China, without securing support from other nations, dampened employment and put the US at risk from any unexpected economic shocks, which unfortunately we had in the form of a pandemic. This was just a few years ago. Everybody should be able to remember it.



https://i.imgur.com/Ik55JoS.png
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2024/03/19/five-charts-compare-democrats-and-republicans-on-job-creation

[Suppressed Poet]

Did you just assume that, or did you actually look it up before saying it? The three good years were unexceptional. Trump's unforced error in engaging in a unilateral trade war with China, without securing support from other nations, dampened employment and put the US at risk from any unexpected economic shocks, which unfortunately we had in the form of a pandemic. This was just a few years ago. Everybody should be able to remember it.



https://i.imgur.com/Ik55JoS.png
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2024/03/19/five-charts-compare-democrats-and-republicans-on-job-creation

I remember quite well, thank you. We had positive economic growth, minimal inflation, low interest rates, and a stable geopolitical landscape (no notable global conflicts that threaten US interests). My wife was refunding (like refinancing) bonds and our family was more economically prosperous during that time vs any point in the last 4 years.

If you want to focus on statistics, take a look at Biden’s polling on the economy from both Democrats and Republicans. Or don’t, call those people stupid, say their personal experiences are invalid, show us the useless graphs about job growth & employment, and tell us everything is awesome when it obviously isn’t. Watch what happens in November.

[Methais]

Did you just assume that, or did you actually look it up before saying it? The three good years were unexceptional. Trump's unforced error in engaging in a unilateral trade war with China, without securing support from other nations, dampened employment and put the US at risk from any unexpected economic shocks, which unfortunately we had in the form of a pandemic. This was just a few years ago. Everybody should be able to remember it.



https://i.imgur.com/Ik55JoS.png
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2024/03/19/five-charts-compare-democrats-and-republicans-on-job-creation

I also remember my grocery bill costing significantly less than it is now. And everything else too.

You wouldn't though, because your mommy does all the shopping for you. That one time she brought you and showed you how to buy cold cuts was too traumatic for you and you've been hiding under your bed ever since.

[Seran]

I remember quite well, thank you. We had positive economic growth, minimal inflation, low interest rates, and a stable geopolitical landscape (no notable global conflicts that threaten US interests). My wife was refunding (like refinancing) bonds and our family was more economically prosperous during that time vs any point in the last 4 years.

If you want to focus on statistics, take a look at Biden’s polling on the economy from both Democrats and Republicans. Or don’t, call those people stupid, say their personal experiences are invalid, show us the useless graphs about job growth & employment, and tell us everything is awesome when it obviously isn’t. Watch what happens in November.

The reality of a failed Donald Trump presidency, both diplomatically and economically is history dude, 'yeah but look at Biden's poll numbers' ain't gonna change that fact.

[Parkbandit]

The reality of a failed Donald Trump presidency, both diplomatically and economically is history dude, 'yeah but look at Biden's poll numbers' ain't gonna change that fact.

The only people who believe your "reality" are:

A) those too young to buy their own shit.
B) those too poor to buy their own shit.
C) those too retarded to be capable of buying their own shit.

You missed A) but you nailed B) and C) perfectly.

[ClydeR]

I also remember my grocery bill costing significantly less than it is now. And everything else too.

Cool story. Thaks for sharing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Dc7W6jXCo

[Methais]

Cool story. Thaks for sharing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Dc7W6jXCo

You might almost have a point if I was talking about 20-30 years ago instead of 3.

But since your mommy does all the shopping for you, including buying cold cuts because of your PTSD from last time, nobody expects you to realize this.

How many masks are you wearing today though Latrin?

[Suppressed Poet]

Cool story. Thaks for sharing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Dc7W6jXCo

Here you go nerd:
https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/107385780-1710185209142-N2ySn-cumulative-inflation-in-the-u-s-since-january-2021_1.png?v=1710186312

Edit: It’s worse with March data and now about 19.6% if I recall correctly.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The only people who believe your "reality" are:

A) those too young to buy their own shit.
B) those too poor to buy their own shit.
C) those too retarded to be capable of buying their own shit.

You missed A) but you nailed B) and C) perfectly.

Probably falls into subcategories of your A-C, but there are those the government deems fit to get debit cards and food stamps and obama phones.

[Parkbandit]

Probably falls into subcategories of your A-C, but there are those the government deems fit to get debit cards and food stamps and obama phones.

sErAn wasn't too young to buy his own shit 3 years ago.. he's been here for 20 years.. and even if we assume he was 5 when he started (his current intellectual level) that would make him 22 years old 3 years ago.

He's old enough to buy his own shit... he just can't afford it until his EBT card gets filled up.

[Seran]

So what I hear your saying is that food prices have been rising since 2016,even before covid-19 caused havoc with transportation and logistics, but are only now falling. Amazing how your average idiot likes to pretend the President has a price dial at his disposal.

https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/gallery/chart-detail/?chartId=58358

Even funnier when you notice the ongoing distraction from Trump's failed argument to disproven falling crime rates.
https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/gallery/chart-detail/?chartId=58358
https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/gallery/chart-detail/?chartId=58358

[Methais]

So what I hear your saying...

Wrecked by your own stupidity again.


...is that food prices have been rising since 2016,even before covid-19 caused havoc with transportation and logistics, but are only now falling. Amazing how your average idiot likes to pretend the President has a price dial at his disposal. THAT ONLY APPLIE'S WHEN TRUMP I'S IN OFFICE BECAU'SE ME MAKE'S ME UP'SET!!!!!

Off to strong start for the week. LatrinClyde is gonna have to put in overtime if he wants that title shot.

[Suppressed Poet]

So what I hear your saying is that food prices have been rising since 2016,even before covid-19 caused havoc with transportation and logistics, but are only now falling. Amazing how your average idiot likes to pretend the President has a price dial at his disposal.

https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/gallery/chart-detail/?chartId=58358

Even funnier when you notice the ongoing distraction from Trump's failed argument to disproven falling crime rates.
https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/gallery/chart-detail/?chartId=58358
https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/gallery/chart-detail/?chartId=58358

Look at your own graph you cited and you can see food prices rose minimaly during the Trump era while having a sharp increase during the Biden years.

The President does have a price dial in the form of government spending and directing a Democrat controlled Congress (first two years) to sign his blank checks to nowhere. See it turns out that when you print money at an increased rate with no additional tax revenue, that money becomes less valuable.

Edit: We already determined the FBI’s crime report is incomplete and nonsensical. Move on.

[Methais]

Look at your own graph you cited and you can see food prices rose minimaly during the Trump era while having a sharp increase during the Biden years.

The President does have a price dial in the form of government spending and directing a Democrat controlled Congress (first two years) to sign his blank checks to nowhere. See it turns out that when you print money at an increased rate with no additional tax revenue, that money becomes less valuable.

Edit: We already determined the FBI’s crime report is incomplete and nonsensical. Move on.

I like how he ignores the other lines on the chart too while talking about how great Biden is and how terrible Trump was.

https://i.imgur.com/0xWAh0a.png


I would say it's because he's full of shit, which he still is don't get me wrong, but at this point I'm pretty sure he has no idea how to read any charts or graphs, because anytime he posts one he ends up accidentally reinforcing the point everyone but him is trying to make.

[Seran]

Look at your own graph you cited and you can see food prices rose minimaly during the Trump era while having a sharp increase during the Biden years.

The President does have a price dial in the form of government spending and directing a Democrat controlled Congress (first two years) to sign his blank checks to nowhere. See it turns out that when you print money at an increased rate with no additional tax revenue, that money becomes less valuable.

Edit: We already determined the FBI’s crime report is incomplete and nonsensical. Move on.

/You/ and Donald Trump may have made that determination for your own political purposes, but the DOJ and reporting law enforcement agencies don't appear to have the same objections. Nice try though.

Prices rose, which is what I said, and are now falling which is also what I said. You're making the inference that government spending causes price increases, though you forget once again that producers, wholesalers, and retailers set prices and not the government.

Considering the massive amounts of /cash/ the government handed out to consumers during the Trump administration, using your own argument Trump is responsible for price increases for making more money available to consumers to spend.

[Suppressed Poet]

/You/ and Donald Trump may have made that determination for your own political purposes, but the DOJ and reporting law enforcement agencies don't appear to have the same objections. Nice try though.

Prices rose, which is what I said, and are now falling which is also what I said. You're making the inference that government spending causes price increases, though you forget once again that producers, wholesalers, and retailers set prices and not the government.

Considering the massive amounts of /cash/ the government handed out to consumers during the Trump administration, using your own argument Trump is responsible for price increases for making more money available to consumers to spend.

Who does the DOJ and FBI report to? How convenient for Biden. Considering the FBI and DOJ have become weaponized against Biden’s political rivals, you are just going to have to accept that normal sane people are going to question their conclusions when they admit a good number of major blue cities LE are not reporting their data. Y’all come back to us when it includes all law enforcement agencies, when you factor in the violent crime of human trafficking through our borders, and when the FBI / DOJ takes seriously the bag of cocaine found in the White House.

Prices have not fallen. They are just not increasing further at the level they were in the first couple years, but inflation is still well above the Fed’s target of 2% annually.

Wholesalers and retailers set prices in accordance with what consumers are willing to spend and factoring in their own costs (like goods, labor & overhead…all of which have gone up for them). They didn’t just suddenly become greedy when Biden got into office.

I can be critical of Trump’s policies in 2020 in response to the so called Covid pandemic. As I said before, we got 3 good years and 1 bad one. Biden continued handing out cash to consumers and signing spending bills long after. He refuses to do what is necessary to curb inflation, which is reduce government spending.

[Seran]

Who does the DOJ and FBI report to? How convenient for Biden. Considering the FBI and DOJ have become weaponized against Biden’s political rivals, you are just going to have to accept that normal sane people are going to question their conclusions when they admit a good number of major blue cities LE are not reporting their data. Y’all come back to us when it includes all law enforcement agencies, when you factor in the violent crime of human trafficking through our borders, and when the FBI / DOJ takes seriously the bag of cocaine found in the White House.

Prices have not fallen. They are just not increasing further at the level they were in the first couple years, but inflation is still well above the Fed’s target of 2% annually.

Wholesalers and retailers set prices in accordance with what consumers are willing to spend and factoring in their own costs (like goods, labor & overhead…all of which have gone up for them). They didn’t just suddenly become greedy when Biden got into office.

I can be critical of Trump’s policies in 2020 in response to the so called Covid pandemic. As I said before, we got 3 good years and 1 bad one. Biden continued handing out cash to consumers and signing spending bills long after. He refuses to do what is necessary to curb inflation, which is reduce government spending.

How convenient that law enforcement agencies report their data to the DOJ, who then released the information which showed a reduction in crime! How inconvenient for you that all of your intangibles you ironically want to use to change the data driven results don't correspond with your political narrative.

Funny how Biden has cut massive budget deficits from Trump era highs and you're still throwing mud.

Last I checked the President wasn't the sole entity responsible for designing, passing a budget, and signing it into law either. If you have any secret checks and balances procedures that gets around Congress and their annual bipartisan budget approvals, please educate the rest of us.

[drumpel]

Thought violent crimes were down....I thought the cities were safer for families to go out and enjoy city events!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chicago-forced-cancel-cinco-mayo-205353162.html


Families in Democrat-run Chicago hoping to enjoy a Cinco de Mayo parade will have to wait until next year after the city canceled the festivities due to "gang violence."

The Chicago Police Department (CPD) announced Sunday that the Cinco de Mayo parade was canceled "out of an abundance of caution … to protect the safety of all in attendance, including families and children."

Families were forced to pack up and head home after reports of large-scale fights in the area.

"This decision was made in agreement between CPD’s 10th District, elected officials, and parade organizers, following gang violence in the area," CPD said in a statement.

[Suppressed Poet]

How convenient that law enforcement agencies report their data to the DOJ, who then released the information which showed a reduction in crime! How inconvenient for you that all of your intangibles you ironically want to use to change the data driven results don't correspond with your political narrative.

Funny how Biden has cut massive budget deficits from Trump era highs and you're still throwing mud.

Last I checked the President wasn't the sole entity responsible for designing, passing a budget, and signing it into law either. If you have any secret checks and balances procedures that gets around Congress and their annual bipartisan budget approvals, please educate the rest of us.

Again, fix the report to include all the data and we can talk then. Until that point, the FBI report is incomplete, underreported, and inconclusive.

Last I checked, Democrats controlled Congress the first two years of Biden’s presidency. There was nothing bipartisan about the spending bills passed or the budget. You are comparing budget deficits from 2020 when we were handing out cash like crazy in response to an economy deliberately put into a coma. Compare any of those budgets to 2017-2019 and it becomes a much different story. Biden wants to keep spending today like it’s 2021.

[Parkbandit]

So what I hear your saying is that food prices have been rising since 2016,even before covid-19 caused havoc with transportation and logistics, but are only now falling. Amazing how your average idiot likes to pretend the President has a price dial at his disposal.

https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/gallery/chart-detail/?chartId=58358

Even funnier when you notice the ongoing distraction from Trump's failed argument to disproven falling crime rates.
https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/gallery/chart-detail/?chartId=58358
https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/gallery/chart-detail/?chartId=58358

Jesus fucking Christ.

Let's go through this shit.

Easy one first: Gas prices

Trump - Gas didn't hit $3.00/gal during his entire term. Hell, gas was below $2.00/gal for 2 of those month.
Biden - Gas started below $3.00/gal, but that didn't last long with Biden. After only 3 months in office, gas went above $3.00/gal and has never went below it. Hell, gas hit $4.00/gal for 5 months and even hit $5.00/gal for one of them.

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=emm_epm0_pte_nus_dpg&f=m

Winner: Trump

Household fuel is probably even worse news for Biden.. but they are all broken up into regions and I'm not about to do any work on this... but it's obvious that prices were much higher under Biden.

Winner: Trump

Last one is food.

Is there anyone on the planet that believes that prices are better now than they were under Trump? Only if you are a mentally retarded kid named sErAn. Even his own fucking link shows a steep price increase.

sErAn, please stop posting that which you don't have the ability to comprehend or even understand.

[Parkbandit]

Prices rose, which is what I said, and are now falling which is also what I said. You're making the inference that government spending causes price increases, though you forget once again that producers, wholesalers, and retailers set prices and not the government.

What is the root cause of inflation.. which is the cause of the increase in prices for everything?

I'll give you 3 guesses.

[Seran]

Again, fix the report to include all the data and we can talk then. Until that point, the FBI report is incomplete, underreported, and inconclusive.

Last I checked, Democrats controlled Congress the first two years of Biden’s presidency. There was nothing bipartisan about the spending bills passed or the budget. You are comparing budget deficits from 2020 when we were handing out cash like crazy in response to an economy deliberately put into a coma. Compare any of those budgets to 2017-2019 and it becomes a much different story. Biden wants to keep spending today like it’s 2021.

No amont of wishing is going to magically make the data your bitching about to appear. You're not going to manifest a different results by whining, but you're welcome to continual to delude yourself if it makes you feel better.

I wonder about the 50-50 senate split you label as Democrats controlling Congress. If you want to be technical, Vice President Harris could break any tie in favor of Democrats, but you seem to have forgotten the swing votes of Kristin Enema out of Arizona, and Sloppy Joe 'Get off my boat' Manchin.

[Methais]

No amont of wishing is going to magically make the data your bitching about to appear. You're not going to manifest a different results by whining, but you're welcome to continual to delude yourself if it makes you feel better.

I wonder about the 50-50 senate split you label as Democrats controlling Congress. If you want to be technical, Vice President Harris could break any tie in favor of Democrats, but you seem to have forgotten the swing votes of Kristin Enema out of Arizona, and Sloppy Joe 'Get off my boat' Manchin.

Holy fuck how do you keep getting progressively dumber each day? How are you even still breathing on your own at this point?

[Tgo01]

Why can't people like Seran just come out and say "I hate Trump more than I care about my own life and the lives of other people in the world"?

Because let's face it, that's what this is. Even escaped mental patients could look at how much worse the US and the world in general is under Biden and arrive to the conclusion that everything is worse now than under Trump.

Inflation is crazy. Gas prices is crazy. Food prices is crazy. People can't afford to buy a home or a car nowadays. Supply chain crises. Wars starting up all over the world. Hundreds of millions more people starving, dead, or suffering all over the world now. The US economy is in the shitter. Forced vaccines. Pedophiles having open access to little kids now. Men in women's sports.

At least I could respect someone who just said "Fuck all of that! Trump bad!" We could also then have a rational discussion as to what went wrong in your life that you would rather see people suffer than just admit that things were better under Trump.

But you are lying to yourself and everyone else when your first instinct is to defend ANYTHING Biden has done.

[Methais]

Why can't people like Seran just come out and say "I hate Trump more than I care about my own life and the lives of other people in the world"?

Because let's face it, that's what this is. Even escaped mental patients could look at how much worse the US and the world in general is under Biden and arrive to the conclusion that everything is worse now than under Trump.

Inflation is crazy. Gas prices is crazy. Food prices is crazy. People can't afford to buy a home or a car nowadays. Supply chain crises. Wars starting up all over the world. Hundreds of millions more people starving, dead, or suffering all over the world now. The US economy is in the shitter. Forced vaccines. Pedophiles having open access to little kids now. Men in women's sports.

At least I could respect someone who just said "Fuck all of that! Trump bad!" We could also then have a rational discussion as to what went wrong in your life that you would rather see people suffer than just admit that things were better under Trump.

But you are lying to yourself and everyone else when your first instinct is to defend ANYTHING Biden has done.

https://i.imgur.com/lXDeL0q.png

[Seran]

Inflation is crazy. Gas prices is crazy. Food prices is crazy. People can't afford to buy a home or a car nowadays. Supply chain crises. Wars starting up all over the world. Hundreds of millions more people starving, dead, or suffering all over the world now. The US economy is in the shitter. Forced vaccines. Pedophiles having open access to little kids now. Men in women's sports.

Just named a whole list of things that the President has no control over, want to try again? Or maybe you want to give Biden autocratic powers to unilaterally set price controls in place, command banks to lend home at rate no more than 0.25% above prime, singlehandedly declare war on and and all dictators without Congressional approval, and finally to be judge, jury, and executioner for all crimes. No, you don't want to do that? Well, you ought to stop pretending a President can do the things you claim he can do.

[Tgo01]

Just named a whole list of things that the President has no control over

So let me get this straight: the president has power over a highly contagious disease that is spreading across the world like wildfire, but he has no power at all over economic situations such as inflation, high gas prices, high food prices, or supply chain issues, and has no power militarily or diplomatically to stop/prevent wars as the president of the most powerful and influential country the world has ever known?

Again, just stop with the lies and just say it: You hate Trump more than you care about the well being of your fellow human beings, and believe me I am being VERY generous when I refer to you as a human being.

Once you are honest we can then have an open and honest discussion. Until then you are just here to laugh at for our amusement.

[Seran]

I'm sure you were equally dismayed reading the history books that King Canute wasn't able to order the tides to retreat.

[Parkbandit]

Just named a whole list of things that the President has no control over, want to try again? Or maybe you want to give Biden autocratic powers to unilaterally set price controls in place, command banks to lend home at rate no more than 0.25% above prime, singlehandedly declare war on and and all dictators without Congressional approval, and finally to be judge, jury, and executioner for all crimes. No, you don't want to do that? Well, you ought to stop pretending a President can do the things you claim he can do.

It was all just a coincidence that those things were great under Trump and bad under Biden..............................

https://y.yarn.co/fa6d4df5-a5a6-43f9-b48c-7b13c7501f0a_text.gif

[Suppressed Poet]

Just named a whole list of things that the President has no control over, want to try again? Or maybe you want to give Biden autocratic powers to unilaterally set price controls in place, command banks to lend home at rate no more than 0.25% above prime, singlehandedly declare war on and and all dictators without Congressional approval, and finally to be judge, jury, and executioner for all crimes. No, you don't want to do that? Well, you ought to stop pretending a President can do the things you claim he can do.

Also Seran anytime gas prices went down $0.01 from their all time-high:

YAY! THANK YOU PRESIDENT BIDEN! YOU’RE THE GREATEST PRESIDENT EVER!

[Parkbandit]

Also Seran anytime gas prices went down $0.01 from their all time-high:

YAY! THANK YOU PRESIDENT BIDEN! YOU’RE THE GREATEST PRESIDENT EVER!

Exactly:


We've not seen a President so committed to fighting oil and pharmaceutical company price gouging in a long time, you all should be happy. Lower prescription drug prices, much cheaper gas. Rock on Biden.


Oil prices continue to fall, down below $74 a barrel and has prices under $2.30 wholesale. Don't forget to praise Biden for his accomplishment in reigning in Big Oil profiteering.


Except to say, Biden took definitive steps to lower prices, which they did.

[Suppressed Poet]

I'm sure you were equally dismayed reading the history books that King Canute wasn't able to order the tides to retreat.

King Leonidas led his brave 300 to stand against the tyrannical Xerxes commanding an invading army of overwhelming numbers.

[Tgo01]

Seran: Crime is dropping thanks to Biden!
Seran: Inflation is dropping thanks to Biden!
Seran: Jobs are being created thanks to Biden!

Also Seran: The president has no influence over anything! He's basically just a figurehead!

Again, just admit you hate Trump more than you care about people.

[ClydeR]

I just ran across this statement from the White House released shortly after the FBI announced the 2023 numbers..



Across America, families want the same thing: the freedom to feel safe in their community. To know their kids are secure. My Administration is making it a reality. This week, the FBI released data showing that crime declined across nearly every category in 2023. Last year, we also had one of the lowest rates of all violent crime in more than 50 years and the murder rate saw the sharpest decrease in history. That’s good news for the American people.

In 2020, before I took office, the prior administration oversaw the largest increase in murders ever recorded. My Administration got to work on day one to fix that. Thanks to the American Rescue Plan, which every Republican in Congress voted against, we made the largest-ever federal investment in fighting and preventing crime at any time in our history. That enabled cities and states to invest $15 billion in public safety. This record investment in crime reduction – in community violence intervention, mental health and additional officers – is delivering results. It is keeping law enforcement on the beat, and keeping communities safe from violence. My Administration is also taking on the crisis of gun violence head on, with more executive actions on gun violence than any President in history and signing the most significant law to address gun violence in almost 30 years.

More... (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/03/19/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-record-decrease-in-crime-in-2023)

[Parkbandit]

I just ran across this statement from the White House


I bolded the part of your post where you went off the track.

[Seran]

I just ran across this statement from the White House released shortly after the FBI announced the 2023 numbers..


Looking at the violent crime numbers for the past thirty-forty years paints a VERY stark picture just how dangerous things were before Bill Clinton took office, when violent crime per 1,000 citizens was at 747, and was all the way down to 504 when he left office. After spiking under George W Bush, violent crime further dropped dramatically during the Obama administration from 457 per 1,000 citizens, to an all time low of 362 per 1,000 citizens in 2014. Unfortunately it spiked again under Trump.. Such a significant trend of violence during Republican administrations is so unfortunately.

https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend

[Suppressed Poet]

Looking at the violent crime numbers for the past thirty-forty years paints a VERY stark picture just how dangerous things were before Bill Clinton took office, when violent crime per 1,000 citizens was at 747, and was all the way down to 504 when he left office. After spiking under George W Bush, violent crime further dropped dramatically during the Obama administration from 457 per 1,000 citizens, to an all time low of 362 per 1,000 citizens in 2014. Unfortunately it spiked again under Trump.. Such a significant trend of violence during Republican administrations is so unfortunately.

https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend

Yes…thank goodness for Bill Clinton & Joe Biden passing the ‘94 Crime Bill. I know you are proud of the mass incarceration of minorities & lengthy mandatory prison sentences for non-violent drug crimes.

[Parkbandit]

Yes…thank goodness for Bill Clinton & Joe Biden passing the ‘94 Crime Bill. I know you are proud of the mass incarceration of minorities & lengthy mandatory prison sentences for non-violent drug crimes.

"If you can't abort them, incarcerate them!" -liberals on minorities