Trump Indicted in New York

[ClydeR]

Trump says that he is being charged with a crime in New York. He says he will be arrested on Tuesday, and he is calling on his supporters to protest. Apparently, the charges, which have not been announced relate to misstatements on the Trump organization's financial statements relating to hush money payments made by Trump to Stormy Daniels.

Calling for protests is pretty low class. He even blames George Soros.



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[Methais]

If that happens, then here's what will happen in this thread:

- The usual tard crew of t4f, Seran, and Bhaalizfap will show up gloating and doing extra cringe victory dances, totally falling for yet another narrative of how Trump is totally going down for real this time. Just like all the other times he was going down for real.

- Nothing will happen to Trump.

- time4fun will be very upset and make some long winded butthurt post full of word salad and random links to fringe left blogs that she thinks "proves" Trump's guilt, just like the other 84723023842093 times Trump was super duper seriously going down for extra sure this time, and then she'll fuck off again for a while and pretend that none of this ever happened, which nobody will notice until she eventually shows back up again.

- Bhaalizfap will be like "Yeah well Trump is still the first president to be arrested so...so...SO THERE!!!!!" or some similarly weak coping bullshit as if that matters, just like he still does over the impeachments, despite Trump being acquitted both times with the whole world other than megatards like these tards knowing that the whole thing was a clown show from the start, and then he'll run back to his mental illness OCD fap/butthurt threads with his barely-hanging-on-by-a-thread fleshlight that he bought used off Craigslist.

- Seran will mindlessly repeat verbatim whatever MSNBC tells him to say, while somehow managing to come up with even worse cringe names for Trump/republicans than he already has, like "Rempooblicans" (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?135507-Fox-News-or-Faux-News-Misreporting-their-Bias&p=2280969#post2280969) which took him a full two weeks to come up with by the way, in between posts about how Biden is the best president ever anytime oil is down .00001 cents despite still being way up from when he took office, which is totally Trump/Big Oil's fault of course, which includes Palm Oil for some reason, especially when oil is up .00001 cents at any given time.

- Ashliana will be reading the whole thread, but unable to post, because banned, and will be like:

https://i.imgur.com/uv4uoJG.gif


- Normal people will continue to laugh and make fun of how stupid and gullible and butthurt you retards are.


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[Seran]

Trump says that he is being charged with a crime in New York. He says he will be arrested on Tuesday, and he is calling on his supporters to protest. Apparently, the charges, which have not been announced relate to misstatements on the Trump organization's financial statements relating to hush money payments made by Trump to Stormy Daniels.

Calling for protests is pretty low class. He even blames George Soros.



https://i.imgur.com/n81IDB4.png

Considering he's being investigated for his role in the January 6th and section, he's got to realize or his attorneys have got to realize that the fact that he's blowing the same whistle for his supporters to rise up and retake America that he did on January the 6th will be used against him in that investigation.

Hopefully one of the reporters gets a picture of Donald Trump and handcuffs at his arraignment.

[Suppressed Poet]

Considering he's being investigated for his role in the January 6th and section, he's got to realize or his attorneys have got to realize that the fact that he's blowing the same whistle for his supporters to rise up and retake America that he did on January the 6th will be used against him in that investigation.

Trump telling his supporters to go protest is perfectly legal & constitutionally protected speech. This isn’t the People’s Republic of China (yet).

[Solkern]

Trump telling his supporters to go protest is perfectly legal & constitutionally protected speech. This isn’t the People’s Republic of China (yet).

Concur, I didn’t see any inclination that he is asking for violence. Although he probably wants it, that doesn’t matter.

[Suppressed Poet]

Best of luck to the court finding an impartial jury for this case…

[Parkbandit]

If that happens, then here's what will happen in this thread:

- The usual tard crew of t4f, Seran, and Bhaalizfap will show up gloating and doing extra cringe victory dances, totally falling for yet another narrative of how Trump is totally going down for real this time. Just like all the other times he was going down for real.

- Nothing will happen to Trump.

- time4fun will be very upset and make some long winded butthurt post full of word salad and random links to fringe left blogs that she thinks "proves" Trump's guilt, just like the other 84723023842093 times Trump was super duper seriously going down for extra sure this time, and then she'll fuck off again for a while and pretend that none of this ever happened, which nobody will notice until she eventually shows back up again.

- Bhaalizfap will be like "Yeah well Trump is still the first president to be arrested so...so...SO THERE!!!!!" or some similarly weak coping bullshit as if that matters, just like he still does over the impeachments, despite Trump being acquitted both times with the whole world other than megatards like these tards knowing that the whole thing was a clown show from the start, and then he'll run back to his mental illness OCD fap/butthurt threads with his barely-hanging-on-by-a-thread fleshlight that he bought used off Craigslist.

- Seran will mindlessly repeat verbatim whatever MSNBC tells him to say, while somehow managing to come up with even worse cringe names for Trump/republicans than he already has, like "Rempooblicans" (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?135507-Fox-News-or-Faux-News-Misreporting-their-Bias&p=2280969#post2280969) which took him a full two weeks to come up with by the way, in between posts about how Biden is the best president ever anytime oil is down .00001 cents despite still being way up from when he took office, which is totally Trump/Big Oil's fault of course, which includes Palm Oil for some reason, especially when oil is up .00001 cents at any given time.

- Ashliana will be reading the whole thread, but unable to post, because banned, and will be like:

https://i.imgur.com/uv4uoJG.gif


- Normal people will continue to laugh and make fun of how stupid and gullible and butthurt you retards are.


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[Parkbandit]

Considering he's being investigated for his role in the January 6th and section, he's got to realize or his attorneys have got to realize that the fact that he's blowing the same whistle for his supporters to rise up and retake America that he did on January the 6th will be used against him in that investigation.

Hopefully one of the reporters gets a picture of Donald Trump and handcuffs at his arraignment.

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[Seran]

Trump telling his supporters to go protest is perfectly legal & constitutionally protected speech. This isn’t the People’s Republic of China (yet).

I mean the last time he invoked a mob to rise up on his behalf the Capital building was breached and people died. Clear and imminent danger exclusion to the freedom of speech is pretty obvious.

[Seran]

Best of luck to the court finding an impartial jury for this case…

Just to note, the ability of a defendant to rely on preventing the creation of a jury during voir dire isn't a good reason not to indict someone.

[beldannon5]

I mean the last time he invoked a mob to rise up on his behalf the Capital building was breached and people died. Clear and imminent danger exclusion to the freedom of speech is pretty obvious.

Awww seran you are an idiot still. Our idiot but still a complete and utter moron.

[Suppressed Poet]

I mean the last time he invoked a mob to rise up on his behalf the Capital building was breached and people died. Clear and imminent danger exclusion to the freedom of speech is pretty obvious.

No it’s not obvious at all. That’s your leftists feelings taking over your brain which deny you any ability to think logically. Nothing in his statements have ever called for violent or illegal action.

[Suppressed Poet]

Just to note, the ability of a defendant to rely on preventing the creation of a jury during voir dire isn't a good reason not to indict someone.

Did I say that is a good reason not to indict someone? No.

I said best of luck to the court finding an impartial jury for this case. As in a great many people feel strongly one way or another about former President of the United States, Donald Trump. You are a good example of what I’m talking about on one side of the coin.

[Seran]

No it’s not obvious at all. That’s your leftists feelings taking over your brain which deny you any ability to think logically. Nothing in his statements have ever called for violent or illegal action.

You don't think telling a mob to go to the capital and fight like hell to protect their country wasn't their clarion call to action? Because that mob did just that after his words and everything that followed was a result of his attempt to retain power.

[Suppressed Poet]

You don't think telling a mob to go to the capital and fight like hell to protect their country wasn't their clarion call to action? Because that mob did just that after his words and everything that followed was a result of his attempt to retain power.

No.

[Parkbandit]

You don't think telling a mob to go to the capital and fight like hell to protect their country wasn't their clarion call to action? Because that mob did just that after his words and everything that followed was a result of his attempt to retain power.

Do you believe that any politician that calls for protest should be arrested? What about any one at all?

This is where your story breaks down.

You are all for shutting down and arresting anyone you disagree with.

We call that fascism, you fucking nazi pedo.

[~Rocktar~]

You don't think telling a mob to go to the capital and fight like hell to protect their country wasn't their clarion call to action? Because that mob did just that after his words and everything that followed was a result of his attempt to retain power.

So by your logic you believe that Maxine Waters should be arrested for inciting violence for calling for people to attack conservatives and members of the Trump administration wherever they are found right?

You believe that Cuck Schumer should be prosecuted for calling for protests of the Supreme Court and the Justices that lead up to an assassination attempt right?

What about tossing Madonna in prison for saying she wanted to go kill Trump personally?

What about the "protesters" that violently took over the Oklahoma state capitol?

So what about all of these? Or the news people that called for "largely peaceful protests" where hundreds of millions in damage was done and people were attacked and killed?

I am not holding my breath for an honest answer but your weaseling should be mildly entertaining to watch.

[Seran]

You don't think telling a mob to go to the capital and fight like hell to protect their country wasn't their clarion call to action? Because that mob did just that after his words and everything that followed was a result of his attempt to retain power.


No.

That's pretty fair, although federal prosecutors have a fairly different take on breaking and entering in a seditious conspiracy to disrupt a federal election. The thousand or so arrests and the subsequent successful prosecutions tell a different story.

It's interesting though, Trump using this opportunity to raise campaign donations. Just as how he's promised in his speeches to pardon those convicted for those who took part in his conspiracy /if/ re-elected. One has to wonder why he didn't offer those pardons before January 20th 2021? Was it merely to have a ready source of cash over the proceeding two years? It certainly seems that way.

[LOL BRIELUS]

weird hypothetical - assuming there is a lawful indictment and lawful warrant issued. who is going to arrest a former president? is that even possible under 18 usc 3056, which makes it federal law that the secret service provide protection for former presidents. if the secret service doesn't permit the arrest because of their protection mandate, what happens? If the secret service does permit an arrest, do they accompany the president to jail?

[Seran]

weird hypothetical - assuming there is a lawful indictment and lawful warrant issued. who is going to arrest a former president? is that even possible under 18 usc 3056, which makes it federal law that the secret service provide protection for former presidents. if the secret service doesn't permit the arrest because of their protection mandate, what happens? If the secret service does permit an arrest, do they accompany the president to jail?

As his people have already announced they won't contest any type of restraint during his indictment I think that is a non issue. But it's already been addressed that going to jail or prison doesn't void Secret Service protection, so he'd be the most well protected felon ever.

[Parkbandit]

It's funny how all of a sudden the Biden Family Business news of the bribes the Family got from the Chinese is suddenly back page news because ZOMGTRUMPISGONNAGETARRESTED! retarded fools.

Also funny how Hillary Clinton was found of breaking campaign finance laws over payment of the Steele hoax.. and simply paid a fine and was done with it.

[~Rocktar~]

It's funny how all of a sudden the Biden Family Business news of the bribes the Family got from the Chinese is suddenly back page news because ZOMGTRUMPISGONNAGETARRESTED! retarded fools.

Also funny how Hillary Clinton was found of breaking campaign finance laws over payment of the Steele hoax.. and simply paid a fine and was done with it.

And still no reply on his position about arresting Waters, Madonna, Schumer and so on. Typical.

[Seran]

Amazing how someone who committed multiple felonies in New York, Florida, Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin and the District of Columbia is seeing the results of multiple years long investigations coming to a head. Turns out that a announcing his candidacy a year and a half early didn't present the immunity from culpability he assumed.

[time4fun]

Folks, Cohen was in prison for being involved in this. Why wouldn't we expect the candidate who ordered the payment to also be at least indicted?

[~Rocktar~]

Folks, Cohen was in prison for being involved in this. Why wouldn't we expect the candidate who ordered the payment to also be at least indicted?

Well, apparently, when you are a Democrat, you can lie to congress flat out, admit it to congress and commit a much broader range of campaign finance violations and pay a fine.

You can threaten the POTUS directly or indirectly, incite violence and incite an assassination attempt and have no charges filed as long as you are a Democrat.

And that doesn't count the number in jail currently being held without bail or charge since arrest after January 6 while multiple murders, arsons and millions in property damage along with the take over of the Oklahoma state house are as of yet arrested but then they were all Democrats. So where is your outrage and calls for justice, arrest and prosecution of those Mrs I'm hiding a criminal and filled with self righteous sanctimony? Oh, right, those are Democrats so it was A-OK.

[~Rocktar~]

Amazing how someone who committed multiple felonies in New York, Florida, Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin and the District of Columbia is seeing the results of multiple years long investigations coming to a head. Turns out that a announcing his candidacy a year and a half early didn't present the immunity from culpability he assumed.

Any convictions yet?

[Seran]

Folks, Cohen was in prison for being involved in this. Why wouldn't we expect the candidate who ordered the payment to also be at least indicted?

I believe it's the motto of the Republican party to have cronies take the fall for any blatantly illegal acts. "With great sacrifice, comes great opportunity," many of them are told as they sign their NDAs, brimming with the hope that their lies will allow them to grift others in phony border wall building scams. For the lucky few who many into the families of Republican candidates, one can only hope that legislation written to benefit one's own investments can be written.

[~Rocktar~]

I believe it's the motto of the Republican party to have cronies take the fall for any blatantly illegal acts. "With great sacrifice, comes great opportunity," many of them are told as they sign their NDAs, brimming with the hope that their lies will allow them to grift others in phony border wall building scams. For the lucky few who many into the families of Republican candidates, one can only hope that legislation written to benefit one's own investments can be written.

How much has Pelosi's husband made on investments after votes in the House?

[Methais]

You don't think telling a mob to go to the capital and fight like hell to protect their country wasn't their clarion call to action? Because that mob did just that after his words and everything that followed was a result of his attempt to retain power.

If that = that, then Maxine Waters, Kamala, Pelosi, etc., along with anyone who downplayed the 2020 riots as "mostly peaceful," are all 4837904324890x more guilty.

Let me guess though....that's d-d-d-d-different?

Fucking mongoloid. :rofl:

[ClydeR]

weird hypothetical - assuming there is a lawful indictment and lawful warrant issued. who is going to arrest a former president? is that even possible under 18 usc 3056, which makes it federal law that the secret service provide protection for former presidents. if the secret service doesn't permit the arrest because of their protection mandate, what happens? If the secret service does permit an arrest, do they accompany the president to jail?


Very good point! If Trump goes to prison, the Secret Service will have to go with him. As you know, the first thing you do when you get put in prison is find the biggest meanest prisoner and beat him up. Having the Secret Service will make that easier for Trump. They can also smuggle cigarettes for Trump, since SS agents will be exempt from being searched when they change shifts.

[Methais]

I believe it's the motto of the Republican party to have cronies take the fall for any blatantly illegal acts. "With great sacrifice, comes great opportunity," many of them are told as they sign their NDAs, brimming with the hope that their lies will allow them to grift others in phony border wall building scams. For the lucky few who many into the families of Republican candidates, one can only hope that legislation written to benefit one's own investments can be written.

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[ClydeR]

Folks, Cohen was in prison for being involved in this. Why wouldn't we expect the candidate who ordered the payment to also be at least indicted?

At the time Cohen pleaded guilty to multiple crimes, Trump was most focused on crimes Cohen pled guilty to regarding the porn star hush money payments.

From an article dated August 23, 2018..


Let's just get that transcript down for posterity.


TRUMP: By the way, he pled to two counts that aren't a crime. Which nobody understands. I watched a number of shows—sometimes you get some pretty good information by watching shows. Those two counts weren't even a crime. They weren't campaign finance.

EARHARDT: Did you know about the payments?

TRUMP: Later on I knew. But you have to understand, Ainsley. What he did—and they weren't taken out of campaign finance. That's a big thing. That's a much bigger thing—did they come out of the campaign. They didn't come out of the campaign. They came from me. And I tweeted about it. You know—I don't know if you know—I tweeted about the payments. But they didn't come out of campaign. In fact, my first question, when I heard about it, was did they come out of the campaign? Because that could be a little dicey. And they didn't come out of the campaign. And that's big.

Sometimes you get some pretty good information from watching shows, like the notion a federal court will accept a guilty plea on a charge that isn't a crime. Or that people who haven't committed a Real Crime will plead guilty when they have the money and means for criminal defense. Also, Trump keeps referencing two of the counts Cohen pled guilty to. There are six others.

More... (https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a22809659/donald-trump-fox-and-friends-interview/)

Do you believe Trump when he said he did not learn about the payments until after they were made? Isn't that statement contradicted by what is now publicly known?

[~Rocktar~]

I believe that it doesn't matter since the FEC cleared him of wrong doing. It's over 5 years old and even if the Soros funded AG in NY decides to try and elevate it to a felony, the statue of limitations has run out from the date of commission so based on the state laws, it's a moot point.

Fun fact, this will likely get him Elected.

[Solkern]

It's over 5 years old and even if the Soros funded AG in NY decides to try and elevate it to a felony, the statue of limitations has run out from the date of commission so based on the state laws, it's a moot point.



Yeah, that’s not true, the statue can be extended if a person stays outside of New York for long periods of time, which Trump has done.

That’s based on state law.

[~Rocktar~]

Yeah, that’s not true, the statue can be extended if a person stays outside of New York for long periods of time, which Trump has done.

That’s based on state law.

Case based on testimony only from a self avowed liar. DA ran on "I will indict Trump. Nothing political here at all.

Yep, getting Trump reelected every day.

[Solkern]

Case based on testimony only from a self avowed liar. DA ran on "I will indict Trump. Nothing political here at all.

Yep, getting Trump reelected every day.

That literally has nothing to do with what I said to you, or what I was referencing….

[Methais]

That literally has nothing to do with what I said to you, or what I was referencing….

Either way, do you believe it's politically motivated?

[ClydeR]

It's over 5 years old and even if the Soros funded AG in NY decides to try and elevate it to a felony, the statue of limitations has run out from the date of commission so based on the state laws, it's a moot point.

Did Soros break the law with his campaign contributions? In recent years, the law has been greatly loosened by the Supreme Court so that wealthy people can make almost unlimited contributions to influence elections, so long as they comply with the disclosure requirements, which brings us back to the alleged crime in the case against Trump.

[Solkern]

Either way, do you believe it's politically motivated?

I’m not following it to have an opinion about that. I just know the statue of limitation can be extended.

[~Rocktar~]

Did Soros break the law with his campaign contributions? In recent years, the law has been greatly loosened by the Supreme Court so that wealthy people can make almost unlimited contributions to influence elections, so long as they comply with the disclosure requirements, which brings us back to the alleged crime in the case against Trump.

Does the legality change the fact that he and his organizations funded the guy?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

https://babylonbee.com/news/youll-never-take-me-alive-coppers-shouts-trump-speeding-away-from-fbi-agents-in-golf-cart

'You'll Never Take Me Alive, Coppers!' Shouts Trump Speeding Away From Police In Golf Cart

[Seran]

More like..


https://youtu.be/-dKPDkC9YqA

[SHAFT]

Case based on testimony only from a self avowed liar. DA ran on "I will indict Trump. Nothing political here at all.

Yep, getting Trump reelected every day.

If someone commits a crime, there is evidence to this crime and there are witnesses that said person committed this crime, shouldn’t this person be tried?

The difference between conservatives and whoever else is conservatives put their political figures on this mythical pedestal and believe their heroes are invincible and clearly above the law.

I voted for Biden but if there is clear-cut evidence that he commuted a crime… he should be held accountable for it in a court of law.

If trump isn’t guilty, let him prove his case in court. Just because you once ran for office doesn’t mean you’re immune from prosecution.

[time4fun]

Did Soros break the law with his campaign contributions? In recent years, the law has been greatly loosened by the Supreme Court so that wealthy people can make almost unlimited contributions to influence elections, so long as they comply with the disclosure requirements, which brings us back to the alleged crime in the case against Trump.

"Soros funded" means basically nothing. If anyone can track a hypothetical dollar from him or any organization he's ever been publicly involved with, at any point in a funding funnel then it's "Soros backed". He's one of the right's favorite boogeymen, and there is a long history of thinly veiled antisemitism (https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/antisemitism-lurking-behind-george-soros-conspiracy-theories) deployed by dictators (Hello Orban) and American Republicans alike (who have accused a survivor of Nazi occupation in Hungary of being a Nazi sympathizer) in their criticism.

He's the shadowy Jewish figure who's always pulling all of the political strings behind the curtain with his money. It's a very classic example of dog whistle politics. Most people don't see it, but it rallies a subset of voters and gets them worked up.

[Suppressed Poet]

"Soros funded" means basically nothing. If anyone can track a hypothetical dollar from him or any organization he's ever been publicly involved with, at any point in a funding funnel then it's "Soros backed". He's one of the right's favorite boogeymen, and there is a long history of thinly veiled antisemitism (https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/antisemitism-lurking-behind-george-soros-conspiracy-theories) deployed by dictators (Hello Orban) and American Republicans alike (who have accused a survivor of Nazi occupation in Hungary of being a Nazi sympathizer) in their criticism.

He's the shadowy Jewish figure who's always pulling all of the political strings behind the curtain with his money. It's a very classic example of dog whistle politics. Most people don't see it, but it rallies a subset of voters and gets them worked up.

Lol at you citing a 2018 blog post from the ADL. It’s despicably humorous of you to suggest that anyone who mentions the undeniable truth of Soros’ significant campaign donations & the obvious political motivations that is driving this indictment is somehow a Kanye West level Jew-hater.

[Seran]

If someone commits a crime, there is evidence to this crime and there are witnesses that said person committed this crime, shouldn’t this person be tried?

The difference between conservatives and whoever else is conservatives put their political figures on this mythical pedestal and believe their heroes are invincible and clearly above the law.

I voted for Biden but if there is clear-cut evidence that he commuted a crime… he should be held accountable for it in a court of law.

If trump isn’t guilty, let him prove his case in court. Just because you once ran for office doesn’t mean you’re immune from prosecution.

Speaking of putting someone above the law, House Republicans have already begun dog whistling for compelling testimony from the New York prosecutor while a grand jury is still in session deciding whether an indictment should be handed down. Illegal interference in a grand jury proceeding by a Republican House committee? Intimidating witnesses? Grand Jury tampering? That'll be a nice set of felony charges itself.

[Tgo01]

time4fun is always the first to bash a Jew for being a Jew if said Jew happens to lean slightly to the right of Biden. But if anyone even mentions facts about what a left leaning Jew is doing without even talking about them being a Jew, then suddenly that person is anti-Semitic according to time4fun.

This is why time4fun is among the most racist and anti-Semitic person on the PC; she views minorities and Jews as her property.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

"Soros funded" means basically nothing. If anyone can track a hypothetical dollar from him or any organization he's ever been publicly involved with, at any point in a funding funnel then it's "Soros backed". He's one of the right's favorite boogeymen, and there is a long history of thinly veiled antisemitism (https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/antisemitism-lurking-behind-george-soros-conspiracy-theories) deployed by dictators (Hello Orban) and American Republicans alike (who have accused a survivor of Nazi occupation in Hungary of being a Nazi sympathizer) in their criticism.

He's the shadowy Jewish figure who's always pulling all of the political strings behind the curtain with his money. It's a very classic example of dog whistle politics. Most people don't see it, but it rallies a subset of voters and gets them worked up.

Ah, I've missed your REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Please post more often, Seran needs competition.

[Methais]

Here's actual footage of my dad telling me like it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uj5XMBDpfc

This is correct.

[Methais]

More like..


https://youtu.be/-dKPDkC9YqA

Seran: Trump is a cooooool dude


I never knew you felt that way about Trump.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Speaking of putting someone above the law, House Republicans have already begun dog whistling for compelling testimony from the New York prosecutor while a grand jury is still in session deciding whether an indictment should be handed down. Illegal interference in a grand jury proceeding by a Republican House committee? Intimidating witnesses? Grand Jury tampering? That'll be a nice set of felony charges itself.

I like that you and T4F both use dog whistle in your posts. It follows the BLM playbook. Next, please work in how someone is racist, then next throw in some sexism. Finally, as per your many years of research and participation, please talk about child pornography and pedophile tendencies. Then you'll have hit the trifecta.

[ClydeR]

If someone commits a crime, there is evidence to this crime and there are witnesses that said person committed this crime, shouldn’t this person be tried?

The difference between conservatives and whoever else is conservatives put their political figures on this mythical pedestal and believe their heroes are invincible and clearly above the law.

I voted for Biden but if there is clear-cut evidence that he commuted a crime… he should be held accountable for it in a court of law.

If trump isn’t guilty, let him prove his case in court. Just because you once ran for office doesn’t mean you’re immune from prosecution.




I think of it this way. Some criminal cases are about what the defendant did or did not do. Examples of "what" cases are the recent high profile Murdaugh trial and the O.J. Simpson trial. Other criminal cases are about why the defendant did it. Examples are the George Zimmerman trial and the Kyle Rittenhouse trial. "Why" cases are usually subject to greater post-trial public disagreement than "what" cases, because there is more room for disagreement about whether or not the jury correctly judged the defendant's state of mind. In "what" cases, the defendant may be better off not testifying at the trial. In "why" cases, the defendant will usually want to testify.

The Georgia and New York investigations of Trump are primarily about "why" he did what the did. I am referring to the New York porn hush money criminal investigation. The New York tax criminal investigation of Trump is "what."

[Parkbandit]

If someone commits a crime, there is evidence to this crime and there are witnesses that said person committed this crime, shouldn’t this person be tried?

The difference between conservatives and whoever else is conservatives put their political figures on this mythical pedestal and believe their heroes are invincible and clearly above the law.

I voted for Biden but if there is clear-cut evidence that he commuted a crime… he should be held accountable for it in a court of law.

If trump isn’t guilty, let him prove his case in court. Just because you once ran for office doesn’t mean you’re immune from prosecution.

LOL.

Your claim of being unbiased and believing in the rule of law is hilarious, given your 6 year meltdown.

Fuck off with your bullshit, retard.

[Parkbandit]

"Soros funded" means basically nothing. If anyone can track a hypothetical dollar from him or any organization he's ever been publicly involved with, at any point in a funding funnel then it's "Soros backed". He's one of the right's favorite boogeymen, and there is a long history of thinly veiled antisemitism (https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/antisemitism-lurking-behind-george-soros-conspiracy-theories) deployed by dictators (Hello Orban) and American Republicans alike (who have accused a survivor of Nazi occupation in Hungary of being a Nazi sympathizer) in their criticism.

He's the shadowy Jewish figure who's always pulling all of the political strings behind the curtain with his money. It's a very classic example of dog whistle politics. Most people don't see it, but it rallies a subset of voters and gets them worked up.

"Don't criticize Soros or you are an anti-semite!" -time4fun 2023

God I miss your raw and cunty stupidity.

[Neveragain]

"Fascist" means basically nothing.

He's the shadowy mustached figure who's always pulling all of the political strings behind the curtain with his money. It's a very classic example of dog whistle politics. Most people don't see it, but it rallies a subset of voters and gets them worked up.

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[Suppressed Poet]

If someone commits a crime, there is evidence to this crime and there are witnesses that said person committed this crime, shouldn’t this person be tried?

The difference between conservatives and whoever else is conservatives put their political figures on this mythical pedestal and believe their heroes are invincible and clearly above the law.

I voted for Biden but if there is clear-cut evidence that he commuted a crime… he should be held accountable for it in a court of law.

If trump isn’t guilty, let him prove his case in court. Just because you once ran for office doesn’t mean you’re immune from prosecution.

I agree if there is sufficient evidence that supports an individual is guilty of a crime, that person should be tried regardless of their wealth or fame or politics. If justice is applied unevenly, it is not really justice.

The reality of trying someone like a former President, is to bring forward charges the prosecutor should be extra prepared with concrete evidence. Many people have preconceived notions about Biden or Trump one way or the other, and it’s easy to bring into question whether the charges are motivated more by political witch hunting vs actual evidence. It only takes one juror to create a mistrial in a criminal case.

On your last statement…in this country, a defendant is innocent until proven guilty. Whatever you think about Trump (or Biden), it’s not their burden to prove innocence. It’s the prosecutor’s job to prove their guilt. It is absolutely ok to question if the evidence is sufficient for a trial, which is why we have grand jury process first.

[Methais]

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Wrong. The person being charged doesn't have to prove their innocence. The prosecutor has to prove their guilt.

I know that it greatly upsets you that republicans aren't the exception to this, but there's no need to worry, because everyone is already aware that it's your chronic butthurt clouding your judgement.

[Seran]

I like that you and T4F both use dog whistle in your posts. It follows the BLM playbook. Next, please work in how someone is racist, then next throw in some sexism. Finally, as per your many years of research and participation, please talk about child pornography and pedophile tendencies. Then you'll have hit the trifecta.

Please tell me more how you believe the House of Representatives has the legal authority to interfere in a grand jury proceeding and how that's not a violation of the enumerated powers clause?

[Tgo01]

I just gotta laugh at all of the people who are suddenly like "If someone commits a crime they should be tried in court!"

These are the same fucks who watched leftist terrorists burn down houses and businesses and took over entire city blocks while they all sat back and either stayed silent or said "Looks like mostly peaceful protests to me!"

Now an 8 year old "crime" that is past its statute of limitations and is at most a misdemeanor but is somehow being upgraded to a felony and these same fucks are pretending to be actual rational and normal adults "Well if the person commits a crime then they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law."

Yeah tell that to all of the victims of violent crime from this same DA and other liberal DAs that Soros got elected that they are letting off the hook with a misdemeanor or just not prosecuting them at all.

Fuck you.

[Tgo01]

Here's a perfect example of what I mean. (https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-teen-rammed-car-mother-child-probation)

A 17 year old ran over a mother while she was pushing her baby in a stroller, he literally aimed for her, it was caught on camera, and the Soros DA got the 17 year old just a couple of months of CAMP. Yes. CAMP.

And you fuckers are gonna sit here and bitch about Trump's lawyer paying some hush money to a porn star, something almost every candidate has done? Hillary Clinton herself even whined about how many "bimbos" her husband had to pay off.

Again, fuck you.

[Seran]

I just gotta laugh at all of the people who are suddenly like "If someone commits a crime they should be tried in court!"

These are the same fucks who watched leftist terrorists burn down houses and businesses and took over entire city blocks while they all sat back and either stayed silent or said "Looks like mostly peaceful protests to me!"

Now an 8 year old "crime" that is past its statute of limitations and is at most a misdemeanor but is somehow being upgraded to a felony and these same fucks are pretending to be actual rational and normal adults "Well if the person commits a crime then they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law."

Yeah tell that to all of the victims of violent crime from this same DA and other liberal DAs that Soros got elected that they are letting off the hook with a misdemeanor or just not prosecuting them at all.

Fuck you.

You've got this really skewed idea of the rule of law, believing your personal opinions have any impact on the laws governing what a minor can be changed with in a state. The person was tried, convicted and the judge handed down a light sentence. So what? That's the law and judicial discretion. Stop hyperventilating.

What the DA is capable of doing in New York is controlled by statute, decided by a grand jury whether to indict, then and only then will the matter be tried to decide guilt or innocent. If the statute allows charges, if the grand jury agrees with them sufficiency of evidence beyond a reasonable doubt and the judge or jury convicts, then you have absolutely nothing to bitch about. That's our legal system, your skewed belief that Soros is somehow involved had absolutely no relevancy whatsoever.

[Solkern]

I agree if there is sufficient evidence that supports an individual is guilty of a crime, that person should be tried regardless of their wealth or fame or politics. If justice is applied unevenly, it is not really justice.

The reality of trying someone like a former President, is to bring forward charges the prosecutor should be extra prepared with concrete evidence. Many people have preconceived notions about Biden or Trump one way or the other, and it’s easy to bring into question whether the charges are motivated more by political witch hunting vs actual evidence. It only takes one juror to create a mistrial in a criminal case.

On your last statement…in this country, a defendant is innocent until proven guilty. Whatever you think about Trump (or Biden), it’s not their burden to prove innocence. It’s the prosecutor’s job to prove their guilt. It is absolutely ok to question if the evidence is sufficient for a trial, which is why we have grand jury process first.


100% agree. If trump or anyone else seems to have committed a crime, they should be tried. Innocent until proven guilty. Trump isn’t behind bars, he’s free to go and do as he pleases.

They have been investigating this for like 5+ years, they are doing exactly what you said they should, finding concrete evidence and not riding some flimsy evidence.

[~Rocktar~]

That literally has nothing to do with what I said to you, or what I was referencing….

And?

[Solkern]

And?

So why bother replying with something that has nothing to do with what I said? Was it just your attempt to quickly change the topic to avoid admitting that you were wrong?

[time4fun]

I agree if there is sufficient evidence that supports an individual is guilty of a crime, that person should be tried regardless of their wealth or fame or politics. If justice is applied unevenly, it is not really justice.

The reality of trying someone like a former President, is to bring forward charges the prosecutor should be extra prepared with concrete evidence. Many people have preconceived notions about Biden or Trump one way or the other, and it’s easy to bring into question whether the charges are motivated more by political witch hunting vs actual evidence. It only takes one juror to create a mistrial in a criminal case.

On your last statement…in this country, a defendant is innocent until proven guilty. Whatever you think about Trump (or Biden), it’s not their burden to prove innocence. It’s the prosecutor’s job to prove their guilt. It is absolutely ok to question if the evidence is sufficient for a trial, which is why we have grand jury process first.

None of us know what evidence they have at this point, and honestly the legal theory they're using is risky. So presumably you would expect them to have quite a bit of strong evidence to move forward. But there's no way to tell at this stage aside from what's on public record.

One thing we DO know is that they had enough evidence to get his lawyer convicted of violating campaign finance laws for doing exactly the thing Trump told him to do. So there really should be no question here about whether or not this is politically motivated. A former politician's lawyer was convicted of breaking campaign finance laws on his behalf, and, according to the lawyer, at his behest (remember Trump signed the check). Frankly not having an investigation into that politician and not indicting him would look politically motivated.

[~Rocktar~]

So why bother replying with something that has nothing to do with what I said? Was it just your attempt to quickly change the topic to avoid admitting that you were wrong?

No, what I said was true. It is past the statute of limitations. The fact that they are both choosing to apply some arcane set of standards which they will have a nearly impossible task to prove in order to elevate it to a felony in order to justify extension doesn't change the fact that it's past 2 years for the misdemeanor that it is and past the 5 years as a felony. And since this very DA refused to investigate and prosecute when an underling of his previous boss due to lack of evidence suggests that when in court, this is going to fall apart faster than time4cranialanalinsertion's 37 PhD claims.

[Tgo01]

So presumably you would expect them to have quite a bit of strong evidence to move forward.

lol

[time4fun]

No, what I said was true. It is past the statute of limitations.

...

Uh huh. And which charge is past the statute of limitations again?

[Solkern]

No, what I said was true. It is past the statute of limitations. The fact that they are both choosing to apply some arcane set of standards which they will have a nearly impossible task to prove in order to elevate it to a felony in order to justify extension doesn't change the fact that it's past 2 years for the misdemeanor that it is and past the 5 years as a felony. And since this very DA refused to investigate and prosecute when an underling of his previous boss due to lack of evidence suggests that when in court, this is going to fall apart faster than time4cranialanalinsertion's 37 PhD claims.

No, it’s not true, you don’t seem to get it do you? New York State law says the statue of limitation, can be extended, by up to, I think 5 additional years, which it has been, so how exactly is it past the statue of limitation, when by law it’s not?

You purposely ignoring a state law, so you can pretend to be right, doesn’t make you right. You are wrong.

[time4fun]

Rockstar, you have absolutely no idea what "It" is, in regards to the statute of limitations because no charges have been filed yet.

And there's nothing archaic about tolling the statute of limitations on a crime when someone has left the state. It happens all the time in the majority of states.

[Tgo01]

And there's nothing archaic about tolling the statute of limitations on a crime when someone has left the state. It happens all the time in the majority of states.

You know damn well that is supposed to be if the person being witch hunted left the state to try to hamper the investigation or to elude prosecution. Trump was the president of the US, he had better things to do than to stick around in NY so the clock on the statute could tick away. Plus it's not like the DA needed Trump in the state or they didn't know exactly where he was at all times.

Any other person and you would be crying foul over this shit. But suddenly you are okay with prosecutors trying to pervert justice.

[~Rocktar~]

The tears over all of this when it collapses will be delicious.

[time4fun]

The tears over all of this when it collapses will be delicious.

Translation- you made a series of stunningly ignorant comments about a situation you clearly don't actually understand, and now you're going to pretend like other people have taken a stance they haven't taken in hopes that you can later point to it as some kind of victory even though you know full well you will have made the entire thing up in your head.

It's just a privilege to watch your mind at work.

[Solkern]

You know damn well that is supposed to be if the person being witch hunted left the state to try to hamper the investigation or to elude prosecution. Trump was the president of the US, he had better things to do than to stick around in NY so the clock on the statute could tick away. Plus it's not like the DA needed Trump in the state or they didn't know exactly where he was at all times.

Any other person and you would be crying foul over this shit. But suddenly you are okay with prosecutors trying to pervert justice.

How exactly are they perverting Justice, by following the law? Or do you prefer they don’t follow the law? Wouldn’t NOT following the law be perverting justice?

It doesn’t matter what you think it’s for, if you aren’t in the state, then it doesn’t count towards the statute of limitations. There are no, if ands or buts about it.

Or do you think Trump should be above the law, and the rule of law doesn’t apply to him?

[Solkern]

The tears over all of this when it collapses will be delicious.



Translation- you made a series of stunningly ignorant comments about a situation you clearly don't actually understand, and now you're going to pretend like other people have taken a stance they haven't taken in hopes that you can later point to it as some kind of victory even though you know full well you will have made the entire thing up in your head.

It's just a privilege to watch your mind at work.

Lol.

[Tgo01]

How exactly are they perverting Justice, by following the law? Or do you prefer they don’t follow the law?

Read my post again and stop being an idiot.

The idea behind pausing the clock on the statute of limitations if the person being witch hunted is out of state is if the person left the state to hamper the investigation or if they go into hiding, the idea being that the person can just hide in another state and wait out the statute of limitations then return to the state and everything is fine.

But that's clearly not the case here. Trump was president, he literally couldn't stay in the state of NY to run out the clock. Not only that but clearly he didn't leave the state to elude justice, he left the state to do his job as president, and in any case it's not like NY officials didn't know exactly where he was at all times during the past 6 years.

Not to mention we now live in the 21st century, it's not like the DA's office couldn't finish their investigation then simply call up Florida officials to have Trump extradited to NY.

Again you fuckers would be crying foul if this was happening to some poor fucker, but suddenly "it's the law" to push through a witch hunt past the statute of limitations.

[time4fun]

You know damn well that is supposed to be if the person being witch hunted left the state to try to hamper the investigation or to elude prosecution. Trump was the president of the US, he had better things to do than to stick around in NY so the clock on the statute could tick away. Plus it's not like the DA needed Trump in the state or they didn't know exactly where he was at all times.

Any other person and you would be crying foul over this shit. But suddenly you are okay with prosecutors trying to pervert justice.

First- that's not true. The intent of the person in question is not relevant. The rule was set up to handle situations where someone has left the state for extended periods of time and cannot be served. Often this happens specifically because someone is fleeing the state to avoid culpability, but it's by no means a requirement. There are exceptions to the this tolling mechanism, but it's not immediately clear that any of them would apply to Trump given he switched his residency outside of New York.

Secondly, nothing about this is remotely close to a witch hunt. So you can stop repeating that phrase as though it has any veracity. A candidate instructed his lawyer to knowingly break campaign finance law (and a few other laws), for which that lawyer was convicted. There is no honest or reasonable argument in the world as to why we would expect the candidate to not be investigated and to not be at high risk of indictment.

Finally, you have absolutely no idea which charges Trump is facing. So you have absolutely no idea what the statute of limitations is on anything. Just because Trump decided to throw an incredibly BS and intentionally misleading "defense" out there doesn't mean you have to suspend all independent brain function and just accept it as fact. At this point, if you're taking anything that man says at face value you are delusional.

[Suppressed Poet]

They have been investigating this for like 5+ years, they are doing exactly what you said they should, finding concrete evidence and not riding some flimsy evidence.

We’ll see. I have my doubts, but it’s only speculation until they lay it all out.

[Solkern]

Read my post again and stop being an idiot.

The idea behind pausing the clock on the statute of limitations if the person being witch hunted is out of state is if the person left the state to hamper the investigation or if they go into hiding, the idea being that the person can just hide in another state and wait out the statute of limitations then return to the state and everything is fine.

But that's clearly not the case here. Trump was president, he literally couldn't stay in the state of NY to run out the clock. Not only that but clearly he didn't leave the state to elude justice, he left the state to do his job as president, and in any case it's not like NY officials didn't know exactly where he was at all times during the past 6 years.

Not to mention we now live in the 21st century, it's not like the DA's office couldn't finish their investigation then simply call up Florida officials to have Trump extradited to NY.

Again you fuckers would be crying foul if this was happening to some poor fucker, but suddenly "it's the law" to push through a witch hunt past the statute of limitations.


No that’s YOUR idea. The law doesn’t mention anything you mentioned above. Zero. You can think how you want, that means absolutely nothing. The law simply states, if you aren’t in the state, the statue of limitation is extended… period.

Next your entire argument is invalid, they can’t extend the statute of limitations indefinitely, it’s up to a maximum of 5 years, so they can “wait it out”. Even after an extension.

[Suppressed Poet]

None of us know what evidence they have at this point, and honestly the legal theory they're using is risky. So presumably you would expect them to have quite a bit of strong evidence to move forward. But there's no way to tell at this stage aside from what's on public record.

One thing we DO know is that they had enough evidence to get his lawyer convicted of violating campaign finance laws for doing exactly the thing Trump told him to do. So there really should be no question here about whether or not this is politically motivated. A former politician's lawyer was convicted of breaking campaign finance laws on his behalf, and, according to the lawyer, at his behest (remember Trump signed the check). Frankly not having an investigation into that politician and not indicting him would look politically motivated.

Agreed on the first paragraph.

His lawyer was convicted yes, but what we also know is the Feds never charged Trump at that time for lack of evidence of any laws were broken. Now we have a state district attorney that, to say politely as to not engage in argument as to his intentions, is clearly aligned with an opposing political party to the suspect. It has been over 5 years which is the normal statute of limitations for such a crime without a big legal reach. It is normally a misdemeanor offense without a big legal reach. It just so happens that Trump has clearly expressed his intent to run again for president. The suspect has been the subject of many investigations which to this point have not resulted in any formal charges. I disagree to say it shouldn’t be questioned if they really do have enough evidence, or that the district attorney may just be throwing a Hail Mary pass for other motivations. I suspect they lack a smoking gun’s worth of evidence necessary for Trump to be convicted by a jury of his peers. We’ll just have to wait and see. I know you really hope to the contrary and don’t want to be let down this time (again).

[Solkern]

Agreed on the first paragraph.

His lawyer was convicted yes, but what we also know is the Feds never charged Trump at that time for lack of evidence of any laws were broken. Now we have a state district attorney that, to say politely as to not engage in argument as to his intentions, is clearly aligned with an opposing political party to the suspect. It has been over 5 years which is the normal statute of limitations for such a crime without a big legal reach. It is normally a misdemeanor offense without a big legal reach. It just so happens that Trump has clearly expressed his intent to run again for president. The suspect has been the subject of many investigations which to this point have not resulted in any formal charges. I disagree to say it shouldn’t be questioned if they really do have enough evidence, or that the district attorney lack other motivations. I suspect they lack a smoking gun’s worth of evidence necessary for Trump to be convicted by a jury of his peers. We’ll just have to wait and see. I know you really hope to the contrary and don’t want to be let down this time (again).


It’s also quite possible at the time they didn’t have strong evidence, or any evidence at all linking Trump, but over time they found it, to the point they do want to charge him.

[Suppressed Poet]

It’s also quite possible at the time they didn’t have strong evidence, or any evidence at all linking Trump, but over time they found it, to the point they do want to charge him.

Sure. That is indeed possible. Do you think it’s probable that after more than 5 years of a state investigation (after a federal investigation concluded resulting in no charges), now in 2023, the State of NY really has a mountain of concrete evidence required to successfully prosecute their case? I guess if you are left leaning and have confidence New York isn’t likely to fuck up in a giant corrupt way. I don’t share that confidence.

[Tgo01]

The rule was set up to handle situations where someone has left the state for extended periods of time and cannot be served. Often this happens specifically because someone is fleeing the state to avoid culpability, but it's by no means a requirement.

Exactly. It was setup for people fleeing to avoid being prosecuted. I never said it was a requirement, I said they are perverting justice because they KNOW why this was setup and yet are choosing to ignore it.

Also they could have "served" Trump anytime they wanted because they knew where he was at all times because he was president and a former president.

Again you fuckers would be raising all kinds of hell if this happened to literally anyone else.

Hey if you fuckers are okay with ripping the blindfold off Lady Justice then fine, but the least you fuckers can do is just admit you're doing it, don't pretend you would be okay with this in any other situation.

[Suppressed Poet]

Rockstar, you have absolutely no idea what "It" is, in regards to the statute of limitations because no charges have been filed yet.

And there's nothing archaic about tolling the statute of limitations on a crime when someone has left the state. It happens all the time in the majority of states.

We both know the subject of their investigation and have a pretty damn good idea of what the charges will be. It sure as hell ain’t jaywalking and has something to do with how funds were used to shut up a whore. That would have been a shocking thing before the likes of 90s Bill Clinton or even 60s JFK, but that’s kinda par for the course on some of our modern day politicians. We don’t yet know the evidence that supports those charges. As Trump would say, sometimes you just gotta grab a woman by their pussy.

[time4fun]

Agreed on the first paragraph.

His lawyer was convicted yes, but what we also know is the Feds never charged Trump at that time for lack of evidence of any laws were broken. Now we have a state district attorney that, to say politely as to not engage in argument as to his intentions, is clearly aligned with an opposing political party to the suspect. It has been over 5 years which is the normal statute of limitations for such a crime without a big legal reach. It is normally a misdemeanor offense without a big legal reach. It just so happens that Trump has clearly expressed his intent to run again for president. The suspect has been the subject of many investigations which to this point have not resulted in any formal charges. I disagree to say it shouldn’t be questioned if they really do have enough evidence, or that the district attorney may just be throwing a Hail Mary pass for other motivations. I suspect they lack a smoking gun’s worth of evidence necessary for Trump to be convicted by a jury of his peers. We’ll just have to wait and see. I know you really hope to the contrary and don’t want to be let down this time (again).

This is the United States of America, and people don't get immunity to prosecution for belonging to a different political party than the prosecutor. Choosing not to investigate a major political figure whose own staff have been convicted of felony campaign finance law violations (and who has accused the candidate of directing it) because they belong to another political party is the thing that would actually look suspicious and would reek of politically motivated decision making. And if it weren't Trump, you would 100% agree.

There was no lack of evidence initially. Trump signed the damn check, and they had Cohen's testimony. Bringing charges against a former US President for the first time in our nation's history requires 10x the amount of evidence you'd need for anyone else to be sure, but there was no lack of evidence Trump had likely committed a crime or 12 initially.

Your interpretation of the timing of this is also extremely odd. First, you would absolutely wait until you had convicted the staffer first before you even considered seriously looking into charges for the politician in question because you would need all of that evidence it would take to convict the staff plus the staffer's testimony to get anywhere. Second, Trump was in office for most of that time, and there are serious consequences to indicting a sitting US President for something like state campaign finance violations. It's not surprising they waited until he was out of office. Third, a big chunk of this time was also during the pandemic- which would have slowed down the investigation significantly.

There are a lot of reasons to be skeptical of the outcome of this case, but there are no good reasons to be skeptical of the decision to investigate or the fact that it took them few years to indict.

[Suppressed Poet]

This is the United States of America, and people don't get immunity to prosecution for belonging to a different political party than the prosecutor. Choosing not to investigate a major political figure whose own staff have been convicted of felony campaign finance law violations (and who has accused the candidate of directing it) because they belong to another political party is the thing that would actually look suspicious and would reek of politically motivated decision making. And if it weren't Trump, you would 100% agree.

There was no lack of evidence initially. Trump signed the damn check, and they had Cohen's testimony. Bringing charges against a former US President for the first time in our nation's history requires 10x the amount of evidence you'd need for anyone else to be sure, but there was no lack of evidence Trump had likely committed a crime or 12 initially.

Your interpretation of the timing of this is also extremely odd. First, you would absolutely wait until you had convicted the staffer first before you even considered seriously looking into charges for the politician in question because you would need all of that evidence it would take to convict the staff plus the staffer's testimony to get anywhere. Second, Trump was in office for most of that time, and there are serious consequences to indicting a sitting US President for something like state campaign finance violations. It's not surprising they waited until he was out of office. Third, a big chunk of this time was also during the pandemic- which would have slowed down the investigation significantly.

There are a lot of reasons to be skeptical of the outcome of this case, but there are no good reasons to be skeptical of the decision to investigate or the fact that it took them few years to indict.

He doesn’t have immunity. At minimum try to objectively look at what a defense team is going to paint a picture of political witch-hunting to a jury. That’s really not hard to do here if we are being honest. They couldn’t convict OJ with absolute overwhelming evidence… Bless your heart to even think a conviction is likely against such overwhelming odds, and if you understand a conviction is very unlikely…well just maybe that political witch hunt theory kinda makes sense?

[Realk]

I just had a weird thought imagine if everyone just acted right and nobody had to investigate everything all the damn time. Also related thoughts, is how Vishra and Seran cant see that they care constantly turning the blind eye to their party while holding a double standard for themselves. Solkern at least reads what is said. If there is no other way to be so blatantly obvious about all this being bullshit it is indeed the timing at which it's happening AGAIN.

[Solkern]

Sure. That is indeed possible. Do you think it’s probable that after more than 5 years of a state investigation (after a federal investigation concluded resulting in no charges), now in 2023, the State of NY really has a mountain of concrete evidence required to successfully prosecute their case? I guess if you are left leaning and have confidence New York isn’t likely to fuck up in a giant corrupt way. I don’t share that confidence.

I personally don’t see this as politically motivated in a way to harm Trump, it would actually boost him among Republicans, and everyone knows this. The election is still a long long ways away.

Regarding if NY will fuck up, I honestly don’t think so. If you were the one about to charge Trump, I’m sure you’d make sure your case is stupid strong, or you wouldn’t do it. If they do charge him, they are going to make sure their case is extremely strong, or the shitstorm that will follow will be immense. An investigation spamming 5 years seems to just be coming together, while yeah the timing does look bad, I’m sure doing this closer towards the election would cause greater harm.

[Solkern]

He doesn’t have immunity. At minimum try to objectively look at what a defense team is going to paint a picture of political witch-hunting to a jury. That’s really not hard to do here if we are being honest. They couldn’t convict OJ with absolute overwhelming evidence… Bless your heart to even think a conviction is likely against such overwhelming odds, and if you understand a conviction is very unlikely…well just maybe that political witch hunt theory kinda makes sense?


THE GLOVE DIDN’T FIT DAMNIT!

No matter the outcome, the other party will cry foul… the only way I can see this actually making everyone happy, is if the entire jury are all republicans and they find him guilty, or it’s all democrats and they find him not guilty.

[Solkern]

Exactly. It was setup for people fleeing to avoid being prosecuted. I never said it was a requirement, I said they are perverting justice because they KNOW why this was setup and yet are choosing to ignore it.

Also they could have "served" Trump anytime they wanted because they knew where he was at all times because he was president and a former president.

Again you fuckers would be raising all kinds of hell if this happened to literally anyone else.

Hey if you fuckers are okay with ripping the blindfold off Lady Justice then fine, but the least you fuckers can do is just admit you're doing it, don't pretend you would be okay with this in any other situation.

Maybe they didn’t serve trump because they didn’t have all the evidence they needed? You keep forgetting that building a case takes time, sometimes years to make.

[Solkern]

I just had a weird thought imagine if everyone just acted right and nobody had to investigate everything all the damn time. Also related thoughts, is how Vishra and Seran cant see that they care constantly turning the blind eye to their party while holding a double standard for themselves. Solkern at least reads what is said. If there is no other way to be so blatantly obvious about all this being bullshit it is indeed the timing at which it's happening AGAIN.


The timing always seems to be wrong, for both parties. It seems to me that everything the republicans do, is the devil for democrats and vice versa. It’s quite annoying and tiring.

Personally, I wish they would just drop all this Trump shit, drop all this hunter Biden shit, and just focus on improving our country.

[Parkbandit]

One thing we DO know is that they had enough evidence to get his lawyer convicted of violating campaign finance laws for doing exactly the thing Trump told him to do.

This is complete conjecture on your part... especially given that Cohen stated that President Trump did not know anything about it. He may have changed his tune now, but at the time of his arrest, this was his stand.

Cohen prided himself on being "the fixer" and easily could have done this behind President Trump's back.

I do love how any "bad news" that comes around about President Trump, you rear up your ugly head here.

It's these times where you make me miss you... you bring forth such entertainment.

[Methais]

You've got this really skewed idea of the rule of law, believing your personal opinions have any impact on the laws governing what a minor can be changed with in a state. The person was tried, convicted and the judge handed down a light sentence. So what? That's the law and judicial discretion. Stop hyperventilating.

What the DA is capable of doing in New York is controlled by statute, decided by a grand jury whether to indict, then and only then will the matter be tried to decide guilt or innocent. If the statute allows charges, if the grand jury agrees with them sufficiency of evidence beyond a reasonable doubt and the judge or jury convicts, then you have absolutely nothing to bitch about. That's our legal system, your skewed belief that Soros is somehow involved had absolutely no relevancy whatsoever.

Do you believe this Trump New York bullshit is politically motivated?

Yes or no should be sufficient. You can leave out the word salad that never actually says anything.

[Methais]

100% agree. If trump or anyone else seems to have committed a crime, they should be tried. Innocent until proven guilty. Trump isn’t behind bars, he’s free to go and do as he pleases.

They have been investigating this for like 5+ years, they are doing exactly what you said they should, finding concrete evidence and not riding some flimsy evidence.

Problem is they've been trying anything and everything they can possibly think of for the past 7 years and have never had anything more than flimsy evidence at best, and often no evidence at all, but continued to double down anyway, then have meltdowns when nothing happens in the end.

Are people supposed to really believe that this is the one time where it's about the law and not just more left wing butthurt after they've spent 7 years crying wolf nonstop and relying on brain dead ultratard NPCs like Seran to carry the water, because they're too stupid to do any actual thinking for themselves?

[Methais]

Translation- you made a series of stunningly ignorant comments about a situation you clearly don't actually understand, and now you're going to pretend like other people have taken a stance they haven't taken in hopes that you can later point to it as some kind of victory even though you know full well you will have made the entire thing up in your head.

It's just a privilege to watch your mind at work.

No he's right. There will be huge meltdowns when this falls apart. Because there are always huge meltdowns anytime leftist retards don't get their way when it comes to literally anything.

[Methais]

Read my post again and stop being an idiot.

The idea behind pausing the clock on the statute of limitations if the person being witch hunted is out of state is if the person left the state to hamper the investigation or if they go into hiding, the idea being that the person can just hide in another state and wait out the statute of limitations then return to the state and everything is fine.

But that's clearly not the case here. Trump was president, he literally couldn't stay in the state of NY to run out the clock. Not only that but clearly he didn't leave the state to elude justice, he left the state to do his job as president, and in any case it's not like NY officials didn't know exactly where he was at all times during the past 6 years.

Not to mention we now live in the 21st century, it's not like the DA's office couldn't finish their investigation then simply call up Florida officials to have Trump extradited to NY.

Again you fuckers would be crying foul if this was happening to some poor fucker, but suddenly "it's the law" to push through a witch hunt past the statute of limitations.

No dude, you don't get it.

You see, THINGS ARE REALLY HEATING UP AND THIS TIME TRUMP WILL BE GOING DOWN FOR SUPER DUPER REAL AND NOT LIKE THE OTHER 8473290487230 TIMES THINGS WERE REALLY HEATING UP AND TRUMP WAS GOING DOWN FOR SUPER DUPER REAL!!!!!!!!!!11

[Methais]

First- that's not true. The intent of the person in question is not relevant. The rule was set up to handle situations where someone has left the state for extended periods of time and cannot be served. Often this happens specifically because someone is fleeing the state to avoid culpability, but it's by no means a requirement. There are exceptions to the this tolling mechanism, but it's not immediately clear that any of them would apply to Trump given he switched his residency outside of New York.

Secondly, nothing about this is remotely close to a witch hunt. So you can stop repeating that phrase as though it has any veracity. A candidate instructed his lawyer to knowingly break campaign finance law (and a few other laws), for which that lawyer was convicted. There is no honest or reasonable argument in the world as to why we would expect the candidate to not be investigated and to not be at high risk of indictment.

Finally, you have absolutely no idea which charges Trump is facing. So you have absolutely no idea what the statute of limitations is on anything. Just because Trump decided to throw an incredibly BS and intentionally misleading "defense" out there doesn't mean you have to suspend all independent brain function and just accept it as fact. At this point, if you're taking anything that man says at face value you are delusional.

Was Trump never once in New York during his time as president? It's not like it would be difficult to locate him.

You retards are so desperate. I can't wait for all of your inevitable meltdowns.


The best part about all of this is...absolute worst case scenario for Trump with this NY bullshit = we get DeSantis for sure.

[Methais]

It’s also quite possible at the time they didn’t have strong evidence, or any evidence at all linking Trump, but over time they found it, to the point they do want to charge him.

It's also quite possible, and by "possible" I mean there's a 100% chance of it being the case, that this is just all a butthurt fueled political left wing hit job, just like the 8473920423804923 attempts before it, and it should be obvious by now, and "by now" is being generous, to anyone who isn't completely brain dead.

[time4fun]

No dude, you don't get it.

You see, THINGS ARE REALLY HEATING UP AND THIS TIME TRUMP WILL BE GOING DOWN FOR SUPER DUPER REAL AND NOT LIKE THE OTHER 8473290487230 TIMES THINGS WERE REALLY HEATING UP AND TRUMP WAS GOING DOWN FOR SUPER DUPER REAL!!!!!!!!!!11

I'm sorry, who argued that Trump was going to be convinced- or even that he was definitely being indicted?

[Methais]

This is the United States of America, and people don't get immunity to prosecution for belonging to a different political party than the prosecutor. Choosing not to investigate a major political figure whose own staff have been convicted of felony campaign finance law violations (and who has accused the candidate of directing it) because they belong to another political party is the thing that would actually look suspicious and would reek of politically motivated decision making. And if it weren't Trump, you would 100% agree.

There was no lack of evidence initially. Trump signed the damn check, and they had Cohen's testimony. Bringing charges against a former US President for the first time in our nation's history requires 10x the amount of evidence you'd need for anyone else to be sure, but there was no lack of evidence Trump had likely committed a crime or 12 initially.

Your interpretation of the timing of this is also extremely odd. First, you would absolutely wait until you had convicted the staffer first before you even considered seriously looking into charges for the politician in question because you would need all of that evidence it would take to convict the staff plus the staffer's testimony to get anywhere. Second, Trump was in office for most of that time, and there are serious consequences to indicting a sitting US President for something like state campaign finance violations. It's not surprising they waited until he was out of office. Third, a big chunk of this time was also during the pandemic- which would have slowed down the investigation significantly.

There are a lot of reasons to be skeptical of the outcome of this case, but there are no good reasons to be skeptical of the decision to investigate or the fact that it took them few years to indict.


You might be taken seriously if you were consistent with this regardless of party or your butthurt status. But you're not, and everyone knows how full of shit you always are, so...no. Nobody besides extreme retards like Seran are buying that shit.

[Methais]

...it would actually boost him among Republicans, and everyone knows this. The election is still a long long ways away.

Regarding if NY will fuck up, I honestly don’t think so. If you were the one about to charge Trump, I’m sure you’d make sure your case is stupid strong, or you wouldn’t do it. If they do charge him, they are going to make sure their case is extremely strong, or the shitstorm that will follow will be immense. An investigation spamming 5 years seems to just be coming together, while yeah the timing does look bad, I’m sure doing this closer towards the election would cause greater harm.

You've either been paying attention to nothing at all for the past 7-8 years, or you're...well I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt and leave it at that.

[Methais]

This is complete conjecture on your part... especially given that Cohen stated that President Trump did not know anything about it. He may have changed his tune now, but at the time of his arrest, this was his stand.

Cohen prided himself on being "the fixer" and easily could have done this behind President Trump's back.

I do love how any "bad news" that comes around about President Trump, you rear up your ugly head here.

It's these times where you make me miss you... you bring forth such entertainment.

So far my first post in this thread (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?135880-Trump-Indicted-in-New-York&p=2281218#post2281218) has been mostly accurate, but it won't truly play out until after nothing happens to Trump.

[Methais]

I'm sorry, who argued that Trump was going to be convinced- or even that he was definitely being indicted?

I don't think Trump is...convinced... about any of this.

[Seran]

It's amazing that Trump's lawyers argue there is no evidence Trump knew what was occurring between Cohen and Daniels.. except Trump has testified against himself multiple times that he did.

Michael Cohen was convicted of illegal actions taken on behalf of Donald Trump to silence the woman with whom he had an adulterous affair. Why wouldn't Trump have exposure?

Campaign finance violations, multiple instances of adultery, theft and concealment of classified documents, elections tampering in GA, and orchestrating a seditious conspiracy. It's miraculous that Republicans still support him, or would be if their preference for felonious candidates wasn't also personified in George Santos.

[~Rocktar~]

Translation- you made a series of stunningly ignorant comments about a situation you clearly don't actually understand, and now you're going to pretend like other people have taken a stance they haven't taken in hopes that you can later point to it as some kind of victory even though you know full well you will have made the entire thing up in your head.

It's just a privilege to watch your mind at work.

Nope, I am far more correct in this idiotic political witch hunt than you have ever been, come to think of it, that applies to most things you have posted. Your tears, or more likely your disappearance again hoping that people will forget how wrong you are, yet again, will be delicious. So tell us about your law degree again? Have you stopped harboring your fugitive family member that is breaking federal law yet?

I might have to order a 5 gallon bucket from Steven Crowder or Ben Shapiro to contain your, Solkern and Seran's tears from this.

[Methais]

It's amazing that Trump's lawyers argue there is no evidence Trump knew what was occurring between Cohen and Daniels.. except Trump has testified against himself multiple times that he did.

Michael Cohen was convicted of illegal actions taken on behalf of Donald Trump to silence the woman with whom he had an adulterous affair. Why wouldn't Trump have exposure?

Campaign finance violations, multiple instances of adultery, theft and concealment of classified documents, elections tampering in GA, and orchestrating a seditious conspiracy. It's miraculous that Republicans still support him, or would be if their preference for felonious candidates wasn't also personified in George Santos.

Look how butthurt you are :rofl:

[Neveragain]

George Santos.

I admire Santos in that he has managed to troll the fuck out of the entire system. He's shown how retarded the electorate is and proven that the political parties are even more retarded than the electorate.

"I'm going to lie about everything, they won't vet my claims and still elect me." Should be every politicians current game plan.

[Methais]

I admire Santos in that he has managed to troll the fuck out of the entire system. He's shown how retarded the electorate is and proven that the political parties are even more retarded than the electorate.

"I'm going to lie about everything, they won't vet my claims and still elect me." Should be every politicians current game plan.

I particularly like how Seran is acting like this is the first time it's ever happened, and also acting like there aren't multiple people in office right now in both parties who are just as full of shit as Santos if not worse.

It's a side effect of being a brain dead NPC.

[Neveragain]

I particularly like how Seran is acting like this is the first time it's ever happened, and also acting like there aren't multiple people in office right now in both parties who are just as full of shit as Santos if not worse.

It's a side effect of being a brain dead NPC.

Fetterman is the perfect representation of the average American voter.

[Suppressed Poet]

Fetterman is the perfect representation of the average American voter.

hi, good night, everybody

[time4fun]

Nope, I am far more correct in this idiotic political witch hunt than you have ever been, come to think of it, that applies to most things you have posted. Your tears, or more likely your disappearance again hoping that people will forget how wrong you are, yet again, will be delicious. So tell us about your law degree again? Have you stopped harboring your fugitive family member that is breaking federal law yet?

I might have to order a 5 gallon bucket from Steven Crowder or Ben Shapiro to contain your, Solkern and Seran's tears from this.

But you're literally not accurate. You made wild claims about the statute of limitations being over as though such a thing exists outside of actual charges. And then you referred to the tolling of a statute of limitations when someone has been out of the state for a long period of time as "archaic" when actually it's common to the point of being mundane.

You then made some odd insinuation that there will be "tears" when "this" all falls apart as though people had been somehow committing to a particular outcome here, despite evidence to the contrary.

And to cap it all off, you just referred to this as an ideological witch hunt just now when literally this politician's lawyer has already gone to prison for his role in this situation. As though it's somehow normal for prosecutors to send a political lacky to jail for a crime but not the politician who ordered them to commit it.

Nothing you have said up to this point has made any actual sense. As is typical for you, you're just recycling BS right wing narratives without bothering to fact check or question any part of them.

[Suppressed Poet]

But you're literally not accurate. You made wild claims about the statute of limitations being over as though such a thing exists outside of actual charges. And then you referred to the tolling of a statute of limitations when someone has been out of the state for a long period of time as "archaic" when actually it's common to the point of being mundane.

You then made some odd insinuation that there will be "tears" when "this" all falls apart as though people had been somehow committing to a particular outcome here, despite evidence to the contrary.

And to cap it all off, you just referred to this as an ideological witch hunt just now when literally this politician's lawyer has already gone to prison for his role in this situation. As though it's somehow normal for prosecutors to send a political lacky to jail for a crime but not the politician who ordered them to commit it.

Nothing you have said up to this point has made any actual sense. As is typical for you, you're just recycling BS right wing narratives without bothering to fact check or question any part of them.

The tldnr translation of your walls of text:
https://i.imgflip.com/20twpw.jpg

[time4fun]

We both know the subject of their investigation and have a pretty damn good idea of what the charges will be. It sure as hell ain’t jaywalking and has something to do with how funds were used to shut up a whore. That would have been a shocking thing before the likes of 90s Bill Clinton or even 60s JFK, but that’s kinda par for the course on some of our modern day politicians. We don’t yet know the evidence that supports those charges. As Trump would say, sometimes you just gotta grab a woman by their pussy.

We have some ideas, yes. Based on available evidence. But no one actually knows what other significant evidence they have (if any). And we don't know what charges they're recommending. We also don't know what the Grand Jury will approve. Typically Grand Juries are a bit of a rubber stamp, but in the case of a former President they may be more hesitant to approve charges.

To be clear, of all of the legal battles he is facing this one is the least concerning for Trump in terms of legal liability. (based only on publicly available evidence) The stolen classified documents case, the fake electors scheme, the overall efforts to subvert the election, and the specific efforts in Georgia are likely bigger legal threats.

Based on what we know, I'd say this is more of a political threat than a legal threat. Some people will rally to his side initially, but as these dominos continue to drop people are going to be increasingly concerned about his electability. And candidly mainstream voters aren't likely to be thrilled about voting for someone standing trial for criminal charges. DeSantis may be increasingly viewed as the safer bet.

[Methais]

DeSantis may be increasingly viewed as the safer bet.

Works for me. DeSantis will mop Biden.

[Neveragain]

hi, good night, everybody

It's a travesty of biblical proportion that would describe how a world super power goes from the likes of Jefferson, Adams and Franklin to John Fettermans in less than 300 years.

[Seran]

I admire Santos in that he has managed to troll the fuck out of the entire system. He's shown how retarded the electorate is and proven that the political parties are even more retarded than the electorate.

"I'm going to lie about everything, they won't vet my claims and still elect me." Should be every Trump supporter's game plan.

Fixed that for you. Trump was the OG Grifter and it is now par for the course for the Republicans apparently.

[Suppressed Poet]

Based on what we know, I'd say this is more of a political threat than a legal threat.

There is another little nugget of truth that I can agree with you on (kinda).

Do you see how by you stating this, I can deduct that we both know these criminal charges are horse shit that won’t actually result in a conviction but instead being used as a political tool?

The sad part is, if that is indeed the case that the charges are easily defeated, your party is doing nothing but making Trump more popular. If you really wanted Trump to be out of the picture, let his political influence just naturally wane (as it has been as people grow tired of Trump’s ego bullshit). Instead it’s the Democrats that keep making him the boogeyman and that attracts Republican voters who want to give their opposition the finger. For voters it’s kinda like when you pick an attorney…you don’t have to like that person and it’s actually somewhat desirable for their job to be a dick/bitch. That’s what folks like you simply don’t understand about the appeal of Trump. AKA, Trump = late 90s early 2000s Fred Durst

[Methais]

Fixed that for you. Trump was the OG Grifter and it is now par for the course for the Republicans apparently.

Ok welfare guy

[Suppressed Poet]

It's a travesty of biblical proportion that would describe how a world super power goes from the likes of Jefferson, Adams and Franklin to John Fettermans in less than 300 years.

Indeed.

That’s also roughly the same amount of time it took between the construction of Solomon’s Temple and it’s destruction in the siege of Jerusalem by the Second Babylonian Empire.

[Seran]

Indeed.

That’s also roughly the same amount of time it took between the construction of Solomon’s Temple and it’s destruction in the siege of Jerusalem by the Second Babylonian Empire.

Biblical stories with which to compare thine enemies amongst the Democrats? How very Christian Fundamentalist of you. Are you also one of those that think Trump is the second coming of Christ?

[Seran]

It's actually even funnier that Republicans are attacking a New York State prosecutor claiming that because the Feds didn't charge Trump, the State of New York shouldn't. Why is it funny? Because the Trump appointee for the federal district of Southern New York Geoffrey Berman who successfully convinced Cohen over wire fraud and illegal business dealings on behalf of Trump with Stormy, was convinced in 2019 by William Barr, Trump's head of the Justice Department, not to pursue charges. This was admitted by Geoffrey Berman.

So, Republicans want you to believe felony criminal acts shouldn't be charged, because Trump interfered with an independent investigation against him through William Barr. Morons.

[Suppressed Poet]

Biblical stories with which to compare thine enemies amongst the Democrats? How very Christian Fundamentalist of you. Are you also one of those that think Trump is the second coming of Christ?

Nope. That is actual history of the Kingdom of Israel you dumb fuck, but good job proving yourself to be an antisemite.

[Solkern]

Works for me. DeSantis will mop Biden.

That depends on how vindictive Trump is.
If he runs 3rd party, DeSantis has no chance.

[time4fun]

That depends on how vindictive Trump is.
If he runs 3rd party, DeSantis has no chance.

There's no question about whether or not he's vindictive enough to do that. He's a sick man who relishes in causing pain to others.

He was willing to attack another branch of government, getting people hurt and killed, because he was going to be kicked out of the White House. He was literally ready to tear our entire democracy down for the sake of his own wounded pride.

There are zero limits to what that man will do to other people, and no limits on how many, if he's not happy.

He's a monster.

[Parkbandit]

There's no question about whether or not he's vindictive enough to do that. He's a sick man who relishes in causing pain to others.

He was willing to attack another branch of government, getting people hurt and killed, because he was going to be kicked out of the White House. He was literally ready to tear our entire democracy down for the sake of his own wounded pride.

There are zero limits to what that man will do to other people, and no limits on how many, if he's not happy.

He's a monster.

Sweetie... you need more meds. Your emotions are getting away from you again.

Double/triple up... and if he doesn't get indicted... you might want to go to Costco and get a 55 gallon drum of them.

[Arqueto]

There's no question about whether or not he's vindictive enough to do that. He's a sick man who relishes in causing pain to others.

He was willing to attack another branch of government, getting people hurt and killed, because he was going to be kicked out of the White House. He was literally ready to tear our entire democracy down for the sake of his own wounded pride.

There are zero limits to what that man will do to other people, and no limits on how many, if he's not happy.

He's a monster.

This is a big load of hyperbolic nonsense. Even for you.

Show us on the doll where he touched you.

[Suppressed Poet]

There's no question about whether or not he's vindictive enough to do that. He's a sick man who relishes in causing pain to others.

He was willing to attack another branch of government, getting people hurt and killed, because he was going to be kicked out of the White House. He was literally ready to tear our entire democracy down for the sake of his own wounded pride.

There are zero limits to what that man will do to other people, and no limits on how many, if he's not happy.

He's a monster.

Trump is a narcissist, a sore loser, and can be a real a-hole at times. No denying that. He is not a monster…just a man. I know you really believe that he had an active role in a planned insurrection on January 6th . We can disagree on that, but for your own mental health it would be behoove you not to hate him as much as you do. You are giving Trump power and are actually as much of a super fan as the “Ultra-MAGAs”.

[Neveragain]

Biblical stories with which to compare thine enemies amongst the Democrats? How very Christian Fundamentalist of you. Are you also one of those that think Trump is the second coming of Christ?

Only you mentioned a specific political party.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/mEUjtM6tTH64iztv6i/giphy.gif

[~Rocktar~]

This is a big load of hyperbolic nonsense. Even for you.

Show us on the doll where he touched you.

It's not, this is her usual modus operandi when she sees the truth of how she is wrong and her side is collapsing on some point or position.

[Methais]

That depends on how vindictive Trump is.
If he runs 3rd party, DeSantis has no chance.

I don't think even Trump is full of himself enough to do that, but I don't rule anything out. Either way, I bet time4fun is going to go nuts over the idea of that, all extra dramatic like and...


There's no question about whether or not he's vindictive enough to do that. He's a sick man who relishes in causing pain to others.

He was willing to attack another branch of government, getting people hurt and killed, because he was going to be kicked out of the White House. He was literally ready to tear our entire democracy down for the sake of his own wounded pride.

There are zero limits to what that man will do to other people, and no limits on how many, if he's not happy.

He's a monster.

https://media.tenor.com/4opamcAljRQAAAAd/laugh-smile.gif

[Methais]

This is a big load of hyperbolic nonsense. Even for you.

Show us on the doll where he touched you.

This is actually par for the course for her.

She's really that much of a drama queen living in her own little bubble of moth balls and failure. It's nothing new.

[Neveragain]

There's no question about whether or not he's vindictive enough to do that. He's a sick man who relishes in causing pain to others.

He was willing to attack another branch of government, getting people hurt and killed, because he was going to be kicked out of the White House. He was literally ready to tear our entire democracy down for the sake of his own wounded pride.

There are zero limits to what that man will do to other people, and no limits on how many, if he's not happy.

He's a monster.

You are the best of emoter's at the 2 minutes hate.

[Solkern]

Trump is a narcissist, a sore loser, and can be a real a-hole at times. No denying that.

These reasons are why I believe DeSantis won’t run this election. If Trump doesn’t win the nomination, he damn well won’t let DeSantis be president.

[Solkern]

I don't think even Trump is full of himself enough to do that, but I don't rule anything out.

He’s a big enough sore loser to make sure DeSantis doesn’t win it.

[Methais]

This is gonna cause some butthurt :lol:

https://i.imgur.com/e3cjcji.png (https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-2018-letter-states-michael-cohen-paid-stormy-daniels-with-his-own-funds-trump-did-not-reimburse)


https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-2018-letter-states-michael-cohen-paid-stormy-daniels-with-his-own-funds-trump-did-not-reimburse


Can't wait to hear Seran4fun's take on this one.

[Parkbandit]

I don't think even Trump is full of himself enough to do that, but I don't rule anything out. Either way, I bet time4fun is going to go nuts over the idea of that, all extra dramatic like and...


I heard that in order to participate in any debate, you must sign an agreement that if you are not the eventual nominee, you cannot run for President via a third party.

[Parkbandit]

These reasons are why I believe DeSantis won’t run this election. If Trump doesn’t win the nomination, he damn well won’t let DeSantis be president.

How would he stop him?

Honestly, this whole Bragg fiasco mess has solidified Trump's base and I'll be surprised if DeSantis has a chance at this point.

[Methais]

I heard that in order to participate in any debate, you must sign an agreement that if you are not the eventual nominee, you cannot run for President via a third party.

Trump: "I identify as trans-nominee, and anyone who disagrees is a hateful transphobe bigot!"

https://i.imgur.com/lk471z6.png

[Seran]

Only thing that Trump's announcing he was being indicted and going to jail solidified was his bank account. More than $1.5 million in donations to his "pay a poor Trump's legal fees and consultation costs" fund is sizeable.

[ClydeR]

I heard that in order to participate in any debate, you must sign an agreement that if you are not the eventual nominee, you cannot run for President via a third party.


A candidate who is leading in the polls should prefer not to participate in any debates. If Trump continues to lead in polls for the Republican primary, then a pledge requirement will give him an excuse. Unless something happens to knock Trump out of the contest, then Republicans are in Trouble with a capital T.


Well, either you are closing your eyes
To a situation you do not wish to acknowledge
Or you are not aware of the caliber of disaster indicated...

[Methais]

Only thing that Trump's announcing he was being indicted and going to jail solidified was his bank account. More than $1.5 million in donations to his "pay a poor Trump's legal fees and consultation costs" fund is sizeable.

^ The bitter rantings of the unemployable

[Parkbandit]

A candidate who is leading in the polls should prefer not to participate in any debates. If Trump continues to lead in polls for the Republican primary, then a pledge requirement will give him an excuse. Unless something happens to knock Trump out of the contest, then Republicans are in Trouble with a capital T.

Well, either you are closing your eyes
To a situation you do not wish to acknowledge
Or you are not aware of the caliber of disaster indicated...


Trump is running as a Republican... not a Democrat.

We expect our candidates to debate each other and be on the campaign trail.

[Parkbandit]

Only thing that Trump's announcing he was being indicted and going to jail solidified was his bank account. More than $1.5 million in donations to his "pay a poor Trump's legal fees and consultation costs" fund is sizeable.

Maybe time4fun will share her emotional support medication with you.

[time4fun]

Trump is a narcissist, a sore loser, and can be a real a-hole at times. No denying that. He is not a monster…just a man. I know you really believe that he had an active role in a planned insurrection on January 6th . We can disagree on that, but for your own mental health it would be behoove you not to hate him as much as you do. You are giving Trump power and are actually as much of a super fan as the “Ultra-MAGAs”.

He intentionally sent a group of right wing militia whom he knew for a fact were armed to attack another branch of government to stop them from certifying his opponent's election win. After they had taken the building and while they were roaming the halls looking to hurt people, he sent a tweet out telling people Pence was the one who was keeping them from being able to stop the election. People actually died that day. Hundreds of people are in jail or are awaiting trial. He terrorized the members of Congress and their staffers- they were literally barricaded behind doors. There were bombs set in front of the DNC and RNC.

He never once apologized to the victims. He never once showed any regret for what he did. And less than a week ago, he again used the same line he used on January 6th: "Come protest and save your country". Knowing full well what happened last time.

He once took out an ad in the New York Times advocating for the death penalty for 5 young black men for a crime they didn't commit. He never once apologized. And it's not even the only time he's accused innocent people of murder for no reason other than the apparent joy it brings him.

He has made up conspiracy theories about real people- elections officials, poll watchers, and just normal Americans and has watched as they've dealt with death threats and physical harassment to them and their families. People have had to move because he decided to use them in a made up conspiracy theory. Ruby Freeman (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/election-workers-targeted-trump-ruby-freeman-shaye-moss-say-s-nowhere-rcna34640), Ray Epps (https://news.yahoo.com/ray-epps-reveals-life-ruined-181950614.html), and Shaye Moss (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trumps-attack-on-shaye-moss-follows-dark-american-tradition-rcna35309) are just a few of the very long list of people whose lives have been ruined by his made up conspiracy theories. He's never once defended them or criticized supporters for terrorizing them.

He once retweeted a guy saying the only good democrat is a dead democrat...WHILE he was President.

He regularly compliments dictators and enemies of democracy.


You can tell yourselves whatever you want, but Donald Trump IS a monster. He's always been a monster.

Long before he was ever seriously running for office. And it's become worse and worse over the years. I'm not talking about him as a politician. I'm talking about him as a person. And if you allowed yourself to stop and look at what he has done without political blinders you would be able to see it. There are hundreds more examples of him doing cruel things and showing glee, not remorse. In fact he never shows remorse for hurting people.

Because he's not sorry.

[ClydeR]

Meanwhile, terrifyingly realistic AI-generated fake photos of Trump's arrest are circulating on the internet.

In the photos, Trump made a run for it outside the courthouse, but the police caught him. Don Jr. is there leading an angry crowd.

Twitter and Instagram should not allow the photos. I'm certainly not going to link to them, and I can only hope that none of you do a really easy Google search to find those highly entertaining and amazingly realistic images.

[ClydeR]

Trump is running as a Republican... not a Democrat.

We expect our candidates to debate each other and be on the campaign trail.

Trump is the only candidate who skipped a primary debate in 2016. You may remember that he held a rally at the time of the debate to raise $6 million for veterans, followed by the unfortunate disappearance of half the money. Skipping the debate did not hurt Trump in the primary.

[Suppressed Poet]

Trump: "I identify as trans-nominee, and anyone who disagrees is a hateful transphobe bigot!"

https://i.imgur.com/lk471z6.png

An odd thing i immediately noticed on that political cartoon is the King Trump can in fact make a move. He is neither checkmated nor stalemated in that position. Assuming no other remaining board pieces, he has no chance in winning & it would be customary to concede. I wonder if that is what the illustrator was going for and if he really thought it out that far?

[Parkbandit]

He intentionally sent a group of right wing militia whom he knew for a fact were armed to attack another branch of government to stop them from certifying his opponent's election win. After they had taken the building and while they were roaming the halls looking to hurt people, he sent a tweet out telling people Pence was the one who was keeping them from being able to stop the election. People actually died that day. Hundreds of people are in jail or are awaiting trial. He terrorized the members of Congress and their staffers- they were literally barricaded behind doors. There were bombs set in front of the DNC and RNC.

He never once apologized to the victims. He never once showed any regret for what he did. And less than a week ago, he again used the same line he used on January 6th: "Come protest and save your country". Knowing full well what happened last time.

He once took out an ad in the New York Times advocating for the death penalty for 5 young black men for a crime they didn't commit. He never once apologized. And it's not even the only time he's accused innocent people of murder for no reason other than the apparent joy it brings him.

He has made up conspiracy theories about real people- elections officials, poll watchers, and just normal Americans and has watched as they've dealt with death threats and physical harassment to them and their families. People have had to move because he decided to use them in a made up conspiracy theory. Ruby Freeman (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/election-workers-targeted-trump-ruby-freeman-shaye-moss-say-s-nowhere-rcna34640), Ray Epps (https://news.yahoo.com/ray-epps-reveals-life-ruined-181950614.html), and Shaye Moss (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trumps-attack-on-shaye-moss-follows-dark-american-tradition-rcna35309) are just a few of the very long list of people whose lives have been ruined by his made up conspiracy theories. He's never once defended them or criticized supporters for terrorizing them.

He once retweeted a guy saying the only good democrat is a dead democrat...WHILE he was President.

He regularly compliments dictators and enemies of democracy.


You can tell yourselves whatever you want, but Donald Trump IS a monster. He's always been a monster.

Long before he was ever seriously running for office. And it's become worse and worse over the years. I'm not talking about him as a politician. I'm talking about him as a person. And if you allowed yourself to stop and look at what he has done without political blinders you would be able to see it. There are hundreds more examples of him doing cruel things and showing glee, not remorse. In fact he never shows remorse for hurting people.

Because he's not sorry.

Jesus..... get a hold of your self "girl" or whatever you are identifying as today.

https://gray-wsfa-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/J-Pxzqb1d7Rt9l7G63c13XpD0PQ=/1200x900/smart/filters:quality(85)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/gray/I36UB2LCQNG4JKHWX5XDZZ2QMU.jpg

[Methais]

He intentionally sent a group of right wing militia whom he knew for a fact were armed to attack another branch of government to stop them from certifying his opponent's election win. After they had taken the building and while they were roaming the halls looking to hurt people, he sent a tweet out telling people Pence was the one who was keeping them from being able to stop the election. People actually died that day. Hundreds of people are in jail or are awaiting trial. He terrorized the members of Congress and their staffers- they were literally barricaded behind doors. There were bombs set in front of the DNC and RNC.

He never once apologized to the victims. He never once showed any regret for what he did. And less than a week ago, he again used the same line he used on January 6th: "Come protest and save your country". Knowing full well what happened last time.

He once took out an ad in the New York Times advocating for the death penalty for 5 young black men for a crime they didn't commit. He never once apologized. And it's not even the only time he's accused innocent people of murder for no reason other than the apparent joy it brings him.

He has made up conspiracy theories about real people- elections officials, poll watchers, and just normal Americans and has watched as they've dealt with death threats and physical harassment to them and their families. People have had to move because he decided to use them in a made up conspiracy theory. Ruby Freeman (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/election-workers-targeted-trump-ruby-freeman-shaye-moss-say-s-nowhere-rcna34640), Ray Epps (https://news.yahoo.com/ray-epps-reveals-life-ruined-181950614.html), and Shaye Moss (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trumps-attack-on-shaye-moss-follows-dark-american-tradition-rcna35309) are just a few of the very long list of people whose lives have been ruined by his made up conspiracy theories. He's never once defended them or criticized supporters for terrorizing them.

He once retweeted a guy saying the only good democrat is a dead democrat...WHILE he was President.

He regularly compliments dictators and enemies of democracy.


You can tell yourselves whatever you want, but Donald Trump IS a monster. He's always been a monster.

Long before he was ever seriously running for office. And it's become worse and worse over the years. I'm not talking about him as a politician. I'm talking about him as a person. And if you allowed yourself to stop and look at what he has done without political blinders you would be able to see it. There are hundreds more examples of him doing cruel things and showing glee, not remorse. In fact he never shows remorse for hurting people.

Because he's not sorry.

Being overly dramatic doesn't make you any less stupid and full of shit, but please continue to entertain us anyway.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/5WXqTFTgO9a7e/giphy.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKhZD2eqjEs

[Parkbandit]

Meanwhile, terrifyingly realistic AI-generated fake photos of Trump's arrest are circulating on the internet.

In the photos, Trump made a run for it outside the courthouse, but the police caught him. Don Jr. is there leading an angry crowd.

Twitter and Instagram should not allow the photos. I'm certainly not going to link to them, and I can only hope that none of you do a really easy Google search to find those highly entertaining and amazingly realistic images.

Hopefully, Trump uses them to get more campaign donations. That'll really throw people like you into a tailspin.

[Parkbandit]

An odd thing i immediately noticed on that political cartoon is the King Trump can in fact make a move. He is neither checkmated nor stalemated in that position. Assuming no other remaining board pieces, he has no chance in winning & it would be customary to concede. I wonder if that is what the illustrator was going for and if he really thought it out that far?

Liberals are absolutely terrible at memes that make any sort of sense or are funny.

[Suppressed Poet]

He intentionally sent a group of right wing militia whom he knew for a fact were armed to attack another branch of government to stop them from certifying his opponent's election win. After they had taken the building and while they were roaming the halls looking to hurt people, he sent a tweet out telling people Pence was the one who was keeping them from being able to stop the election. People actually died that day. Hundreds of people are in jail or are awaiting trial. He terrorized the members of Congress and their staffers- they were literally barricaded behind doors. There were bombs set in front of the DNC and RNC.

He never once apologized to the victims. He never once showed any regret for what he did. And less than a week ago, he again used the same line he used on January 6th: "Come protest and save your country". Knowing full well what happened last time.

He once took out an ad in the New York Times advocating for the death penalty for 5 young black men for a crime they didn't commit. He never once apologized. And it's not even the only time he's accused innocent people of murder for no reason other than the apparent joy it brings him.

He has made up conspiracy theories about real people- elections officials, poll watchers, and just normal Americans and has watched as they've dealt with death threats and physical harassment to them and their families. People have had to move because he decided to use them in a made up conspiracy theory. Ruby Freeman (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/election-workers-targeted-trump-ruby-freeman-shaye-moss-say-s-nowhere-rcna34640), Ray Epps (https://news.yahoo.com/ray-epps-reveals-life-ruined-181950614.html), and Shaye Moss (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trumps-attack-on-shaye-moss-follows-dark-american-tradition-rcna35309) are just a few of the very long list of people whose lives have been ruined by his made up conspiracy theories. He's never once defended them or criticized supporters for terrorizing them.

He once retweeted a guy saying the only good democrat is a dead democrat...WHILE he was President.

He regularly compliments dictators and enemies of democracy.


You can tell yourselves whatever you want, but Donald Trump IS a monster. He's always been a monster.

Long before he was ever seriously running for office. And it's become worse and worse over the years. I'm not talking about him as a politician. I'm talking about him as a person. And if you allowed yourself to stop and look at what he has done without political blinders you would be able to see it. There are hundreds more examples of him doing cruel things and showing glee, not remorse. In fact he never shows remorse for hurting people.

Because he's not sorry.

I’m at work at don’t have time to debate with you on each point, nor would that really serve any purpose other than personal entertainment for both since neither of us will change our minds.

Instead, hypothetically for this exercise, let us say everything you just said is true and Trump is a “monster” in the manner you just described. Do you think it’s healthy for you to follow every little detail that Trump does and get worked up about it like you are? In all fairness I can’t know how you feel or the stress this is causing you, but based on your posts it seems to me like that stress is elevated & you are doing that to yourself. What is it that you aim to accomplish for the time/effort/personal toll of this ranting about how much of a monster Trump is?

[Suppressed Poet]

Liberals are absolutely terrible at memes that make any sort of sense or are funny.

I agree but would change the word liberals for leftists as I recognize a difference. It’s because they worry too much about being PC & not offending people to the point that humor is incomprehensible.

[Suppressed Poet]

He intentionally sent a group of right wing militia whom he knew for a fact were armed to attack another branch of government to stop them from certifying his opponent's election win. After they had taken the building and while they were roaming the halls looking to hurt people, he sent a tweet out telling people Pence was the one who was keeping them from being able to stop the election. People actually died that day. Hundreds of people are in jail or are awaiting trial. He terrorized the members of Congress and their staffers- they were literally barricaded behind doors. There were bombs set in front of the DNC and RNC.

He never once apologized to the victims. He never once showed any regret for what he did. And less than a week ago, he again used the same line he used on January 6th: "Come protest and save your country". Knowing full well what happened last time.

He once took out an ad in the New York Times advocating for the death penalty for 5 young black men for a crime they didn't commit. He never once apologized. And it's not even the only time he's accused innocent people of murder for no reason other than the apparent joy it brings him.

He has made up conspiracy theories about real people- elections officials, poll watchers, and just normal Americans and has watched as they've dealt with death threats and physical harassment to them and their families. People have had to move because he decided to use them in a made up conspiracy theory. Ruby Freeman (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/election-workers-targeted-trump-ruby-freeman-shaye-moss-say-s-nowhere-rcna34640), Ray Epps (https://news.yahoo.com/ray-epps-reveals-life-ruined-181950614.html), and Shaye Moss (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trumps-attack-on-shaye-moss-follows-dark-american-tradition-rcna35309) are just a few of the very long list of people whose lives have been ruined by his made up conspiracy theories. He's never once defended them or criticized supporters for terrorizing them.

He once retweeted a guy saying the only good democrat is a dead democrat...WHILE he was President.

He regularly compliments dictators and enemies of democracy.


You can tell yourselves whatever you want, but Donald Trump IS a monster. He's always been a monster.

Long before he was ever seriously running for office. And it's become worse and worse over the years. I'm not talking about him as a politician. I'm talking about him as a person. And if you allowed yourself to stop and look at what he has done without political blinders you would be able to see it. There are hundreds more examples of him doing cruel things and showing glee, not remorse. In fact he never shows remorse for hurting people.

Because he's not sorry.

I’ve got a buddy that acts that way about Biden. The other day he was freaking out in a panic over his executive order on gun control (which is largely just a big nothing burger). I’m obviously no fan of the current administration & guilty of bitching about it, but I refuse to give power to people (who I have never met & largely have no control over what they do) the ability to terrorize my life. Both of y’all need help.

[Methais]

In all fairness I can’t know how you feel or the stress this is causing you, but based on your posts it seems to me like that stress is elevated & you are doing that to yourself. What is it that you aim to accomplish for the time/effort/personal toll of this ranting about how much of a monster Trump is?

I'm way too lazy to go dig it up, but her reaction the day after Trump won in 2016 was "I've never been so scared politically in my life" or something to that extent + all sorts of overly dramatic butthurt in general, if that gives you some sort of idea.

[Methais]

An odd thing i immediately noticed on that political cartoon is the King Trump can in fact make a move. He is neither checkmated nor stalemated in that position. Assuming no other remaining board pieces, he has no chance in winning & it would be customary to concede. I wonder if that is what the illustrator was going for and if he really thought it out that far?

Chances are whoever made that meme has a PhD in chess from the time4fun school of PhDs.

[Parkbandit]

I'm way too lazy to go dig it up, but her reaction the day after Trump won in 2016 was "I've never been so scared politically in my life" or something to that extent + all sorts of overly dramatic butthurt in general, if that gives you some sort of idea.

I gotchu:


Trump is now favored for WI. If that's the case, this is almost impossible for her to win.

This is the scariest political moment in my lifetime

time4fun has always had difficulty keeping her emotions in check.

Hopefully, with the NY DA's case against President Trump falling apart, she is keeping up with her medication.

[Parkbandit]

Lucky.

I have a brother who has lived here most of his life. He's here illegally from the Philippines, and today I sat around and wondered how many more times I'm going to get to see him. If Trump does what he promised- will my brother be forced to leave? He barely knows the Philippines- this is his home. Where would he even go? He barely knows the family over there. And I know some of you here can't wait for my brother to leave because you feel like he's taking something from you, and he deserves it. And some of you will just find this so hilarious. But he's my brother. And I love him. And now I find myself wondering if in two years, he'll be at Christmas with us.

A colleague of mine showed up to work on the edge of tears today. Mike Pence is already talking about the LGBTQ rights he's looking forward to dismantling, and he's one of the most anti-gay elected officials in the country. He's responsible for one of the freedom to discrimination/freedom of religion bills. Her sister called her up sobbing, terrified of what this is going to mean for her. I broke down too- what does this mean for my other brother who happens to be gay? What about all of my friends?

I get how this is some major political victory for some people here. And how it's just hysterically funny to others. And I get how some of you just feel like this is no big deal- because for you it may not be.

But for some of us- this is beyond terrifying. I'm so scared for my family that I'm literally sick to my stomach.

One of the greatest threads in our lifetimes. It is still entertaining, 6.5 years later.

[beldannon5]

He intentionally sent a group of right wing militia whom he knew for a fact were armed to attack another branch of government to stop them from certifying his opponent's election win. After they had taken the building and while they were roaming the halls looking to hurt people, he sent a tweet out telling people Pence was the one who was keeping them from being able to stop the election. People actually died that day. Hundreds of people are in jail or are awaiting trial. He terrorized the members of Congress and their staffers- they were literally barricaded behind doors. There were bombs set in front of the DNC and RNC.

He never once apologized to the victims. He never once showed any regret for what he did. And less than a week ago, he again used the same line he used on January 6th: "Come protest and save your country". Knowing full well what happened last time.

He once took out an ad in the New York Times advocating for the death penalty for 5 young black men for a crime they didn't commit. He never once apologized. And it's not even the only time he's accused innocent people of murder for no reason other than the apparent joy it brings him.

He has made up conspiracy theories about real people- elections officials, poll watchers, and just normal Americans and has watched as they've dealt with death threats and physical harassment to them and their families. People have had to move because he decided to use them in a made up conspiracy theory. Ruby Freeman (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/election-workers-targeted-trump-ruby-freeman-shaye-moss-say-s-nowhere-rcna34640), Ray Epps (https://news.yahoo.com/ray-epps-reveals-life-ruined-181950614.html), and Shaye Moss (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trumps-attack-on-shaye-moss-follows-dark-american-tradition-rcna35309) are just a few of the very long list of people whose lives have been ruined by his made up conspiracy theories. He's never once defended them or criticized supporters for terrorizing them.

He once retweeted a guy saying the only good democrat is a dead democrat...WHILE he was President.

He regularly compliments dictators and enemies of democracy.


You can tell yourselves whatever you want, but Donald Trump IS a monster. He's always been a monster.

Long before he was ever seriously running for office. And it's become worse and worse over the years. I'm not talking about him as a politician. I'm talking about him as a person. And if you allowed yourself to stop and look at what he has done without political blinders you would be able to see it. There are hundreds more examples of him doing cruel things and showing glee, not remorse. In fact he never shows remorse for hurting people.

Because he's not sorry.

The amount of crazy here is just about right for these folks.

[time4fun]

I’m at work at don’t have time to debate with you on each point, nor would that really serve any purpose other than personal entertainment for both since neither of us will change our minds.

Instead, hypothetically for this exercise, let us say everything you just said is true and Trump is a “monster” in the manner you just described. Do you think it’s healthy for you to follow every little detail that Trump does and get worked up about it like you are? In all fairness I can’t know how you feel or the stress this is causing you, but based on your posts it seems to me like that stress is elevated & you are doing that to yourself. What is it that you aim to accomplish for the time/effort/personal toll of this ranting about how much of a monster Trump is?

I would say that the unhealthy thing is lowering your expectations for basic human decency for a US President and increasing your tolerance for cruelty in order to shrug off things like this and justify handing that person more power.

It's your choice to pretend like someone who has done these things isn't a sick man. It's your choice to decide that you're okay with someone capable of that level of remorseless cruelty to others (And SO much more- we both know how long that list could have been) being in power.

But that doesn't make him any less broken. And I'm sorry but being able to recognize those things are bad things that only a bad person could do is not what's unhealthy here. Unhealthy is normalizing it.

[Solkern]

How would he stop him?

Honestly, this whole Bragg fiasco mess has solidified Trump's base and I'll be surprised if DeSantis has a chance at this point.

Trump is a narcissistic, sore loser.
I can quite possibly see him, running 3rd party just to fuck over DeSantis, if he lost the primary. That would 100% stop DeSantis from winning the election.

DeSantis is young, it’s probably in his best interest to wait til the next election.

[time4fun]

I'm way too lazy to go dig it up, but her reaction the day after Trump won in 2016 was "I've never been so scared politically in my life" or something to that extent + all sorts of overly dramatic butthurt in general, if that gives you some sort of idea.

Actually what you should be pulling up are the posts I made while he was a candidate where I (and several others) repeatedly warned you that he was a wannabe dictator and that he was not going to let go of power easily once it was handed to him.

We're now in the future, and he turned out to be everything we told you he was going to be. Because January 6th DID happen, and he sent a rabid mob of his supporters to terrorize Congress for trying to certify an election he lost. And his Vice President did have to be taken away from the crowd for his own safety. And Congress and their staffers did have to barricade doors to stay safe. And people were actually killed that day while he egged them on.

And he really did convince 1/3 of the country that his election loss was the result of a massive conspiracy. And he did file dozens of bogus lawsuits to try to have millions of votes thrown out. And he did try to send slates of fake electors to overrule the will of the voters. And he really did spend his years complimenting dictators. He really did try to cover for Putin's election interference by lying to the American people.

It's remarkable the way you have managed to convince yourself that somehow we were wrong about him all along.

You were wrong about him. You've just warped your entire perspective on what you were comfortable with and tied yourself in knots to convince yourself that it was no big deal.

And that's what's crazy and sad. Because I guarantee you if someone had asked you if you would be okay with a sitting US President doing any of those things before Trump came along, you'd have said fuck no- they should be in prison for that.

[Suppressed Poet]

I would say that the unhealthy thing is lowering your expectations for basic human decency for a US President and increasing your tolerance for cruelty in order to shrug off things like this and justify handing that person more power.

It's your choice to pretend like someone who has done these things isn't a sick man. It's your choice to decide that you're okay with someone capable of that level of remorseless cruelty to others (And SO much more- we both know how long that list could have been) being in power.

But that doesn't make him any less broken. And I'm sorry but being able to recognize those things are bad things that only a bad person could do is not what's unhealthy here. Unhealthy is normalizing it.

Ok. Suit yourself.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Trump is running as a Republican... not a Democrat.

We expect our candidates to debate each other and be on the campaign trail.

I'd love it if Trump swapped to being a Democrat.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

He intentionally sent a group of right wing militia whom he knew for a fact were armed to attack another branch of government to stop them from certifying his opponent's election win. After they had taken the building and while they were roaming the halls looking to hurt people, he sent a tweet out telling people Pence was the one who was keeping them from being able to stop the election. People actually died that day. Hundreds of people are in jail or are awaiting trial. He terrorized the members of Congress and their staffers- they were literally barricaded behind doors. There were bombs set in front of the DNC and RNC.

He never once apologized to the victims. He never once showed any regret for what he did. And less than a week ago, he again used the same line he used on January 6th: "Come protest and save your country". Knowing full well what happened last time.

He once took out an ad in the New York Times advocating for the death penalty for 5 young black men for a crime they didn't commit. He never once apologized. And it's not even the only time he's accused innocent people of murder for no reason other than the apparent joy it brings him.

He has made up conspiracy theories about real people- elections officials, poll watchers, and just normal Americans and has watched as they've dealt with death threats and physical harassment to them and their families. People have had to move because he decided to use them in a made up conspiracy theory. Ruby Freeman (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/election-workers-targeted-trump-ruby-freeman-shaye-moss-say-s-nowhere-rcna34640), Ray Epps (https://news.yahoo.com/ray-epps-reveals-life-ruined-181950614.html), and Shaye Moss (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trumps-attack-on-shaye-moss-follows-dark-american-tradition-rcna35309) are just a few of the very long list of people whose lives have been ruined by his made up conspiracy theories. He's never once defended them or criticized supporters for terrorizing them.

He once retweeted a guy saying the only good democrat is a dead democrat...WHILE he was President.

He regularly compliments dictators and enemies of democracy.


You can tell yourselves whatever you want, but Donald Trump IS a monster. He's always been a monster.

Long before he was ever seriously running for office. And it's become worse and worse over the years. I'm not talking about him as a politician. I'm talking about him as a person. And if you allowed yourself to stop and look at what he has done without political blinders you would be able to see it. There are hundreds more examples of him doing cruel things and showing glee, not remorse. In fact he never shows remorse for hurting people.

Because he's not sorry.

OMG I love how triggered you are. He (Trump) has nothing to be sorry about. Maybe he should apologize for exposing so many deeply paranoid and triggered communists and socialists. Yeah, he could be sorry for that I guess.

[~Rocktar~]

One of the greatest threads in our lifetimes. It is still entertaining, 6.5 years later.

Comedy fucking gold.

[Suppressed Poet]

Meanwhile, terrifyingly realistic AI-generated fake photos of Trump's arrest are circulating on the internet.

In the photos, Trump made a run for it outside the courthouse, but the police caught him. Don Jr. is there leading an angry crowd.

Twitter and Instagram should not allow the photos. I'm certainly not going to link to them, and I can only hope that none of you do a really easy Google search to find those highly entertaining and amazingly realistic images.

They still need to do more work on the hands and some other details.

https://resize.indiatvnews.com/en/resize/newbucket/730_-/2023/03/untitled-design-1-1679491065.jpg

[Parkbandit]

Trump is a narcissistic, sore loser.
I can quite possibly see him, running 3rd party just to fuck over DeSantis, if he lost the primary. That would 100% stop DeSantis from winning the election.

DeSantis is young, it’s probably in his best interest to wait til the next election.

If there is indeed an agreement for anyone who runs as a Republican and gets GOP support, he will be contractually obligated to not run as 3rd party candidate.

Timing is everything in politics. DeSantis might not have another time to run.. his star is pretty high currently.

[Parkbandit]

Actually what you should be pulling up are the posts I made while he was a candidate where I (and several others) repeatedly warned you that he was a wannabe dictator and that he was not going to let go of power easily once it was handed to him.

We're now in the future, and he turned out to be everything we told you he was going to be. Because January 6th DID happen, and he sent a rabid mob of his supporters to terrorize Congress for trying to certify an election he lost. And his Vice President did have to be taken away from the crowd for his own safety. And Congress and their staffers did have to barricade doors to stay safe. And people were actually killed that day while he egged them on.

And he really did convince 1/3 of the country that his election loss was the result of a massive conspiracy. And he did file dozens of bogus lawsuits to try to have millions of votes thrown out. And he did try to send slates of fake electors to overrule the will of the voters. And he really did spend his years complimenting dictators. He really did try to cover for Putin's election interference by lying to the American people.

It's remarkable the way you have managed to convince yourself that somehow we were wrong about him all along.

You were wrong about him. You've just warped your entire perspective on what you were comfortable with and tied yourself in knots to convince yourself that it was no big deal.

And that's what's crazy and sad. Because I guarantee you if someone had asked you if you would be okay with a sitting US President doing any of those things before Trump came along, you'd have said fuck no- they should be in prison for that.

You are as emotional and dramatic as you are stupid.

And I'm loving every second of your current meltdown.

Thank you.

[Suppressed Poet]

Actually what you should be pulling up are the posts I made while he was a candidate where I (and several others) repeatedly warned you that he was a wannabe dictator and that he was not going to let go of power easily once it was handed to him.

We're now in the future, and he turned out to be everything we told you he was going to be. Because January 6th DID happen, and he sent a rabid mob of his supporters to terrorize Congress for trying to certify an election he lost. And his Vice President did have to be taken away from the crowd for his own safety. And Congress and their staffers did have to barricade doors to stay safe. And people were actually killed that day while he egged them on.

And he really did convince 1/3 of the country that his election loss was the result of a massive conspiracy. And he did file dozens of bogus lawsuits to try to have millions of votes thrown out. And he did try to send slates of fake electors to overrule the will of the voters. And he really did spend his years complimenting dictators. He really did try to cover for Putin's election interference by lying to the American people.

It's remarkable the way you have managed to convince yourself that somehow we were wrong about him all along.

You were wrong about him. You've just warped your entire perspective on what you were comfortable with and tied yourself in knots to convince yourself that it was no big deal.

And that's what's crazy and sad. Because I guarantee you if someone had asked you if you would be okay with a sitting US President doing any of those things before Trump came along, you'd have said fuck no- they should be in prison for that.

Ma’am, this is a Wendy’s…

[Suppressed Poet]

If there is indeed an agreement for anyone who runs as a Republican and gets GOP support, he will be contractually obligated to not run as 3rd party candidate.

Timing is everything in politics. DeSantis might not have another time to run.. his star is pretty high currently.

The thing I worry about with DeSantis is he lacks the charisma and voice to energize a crowd. Campaigning has almost nothing to do with performance in the office, but it’s necessary to be elected.

DeSantis needs to do something crazy like guest star on WWE Raw or perhaps have some attractive female backup dancers performing when he gives a speech.

[~Rocktar~]

Ma’am, this is a Wendy’s…

LOLZ

[Methais]

Lucky.

I have a brother who has lived here most of his life. He's here illegally from the Philippines, and today I sat around and wondered how many more times I'm going to get to see him. If Trump does what he promised- will my brother be forced to leave? He barely knows the Philippines- this is his home. Where would he even go? He barely knows the family over there. And I know some of you here can't wait for my brother to leave because you feel like he's taking something from you, and he deserves it. And some of you will just find this so hilarious. But he's my brother. And I love him. And now I find myself wondering if in two years, he'll be at Christmas with us.

A colleague of mine showed up to work on the edge of tears today. Mike Pence is already talking about the LGBTQ rights he's looking forward to dismantling, and he's one of the most anti-gay elected officials in the country. He's responsible for one of the freedom to discrimination/freedom of religion bills. Her sister called her up sobbing, terrified of what this is going to mean for her. I broke down too- what does this mean for my other brother who happens to be gay? What about all of my friends?

I get how this is some major political victory for some people here. And how it's just hysterically funny to others. And I get how some of you just feel like this is no big deal- because for you it may not be.

But for some of us- this is beyond terrifying. I'm so scared for my family that I'm literally sick to my stomach.

One of the greatest threads in our lifetimes. It is still entertaining, 6.5 years later.


Let's see what Tourettes Guy's dad thinks about it...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_mMh3NFwco

[Methais]

I would say that the unhealthy thing is lowering your expectations for basic human decency for a US President and increasing your tolerance for cruelty in order to shrug off things like this and justify handing that person more power.

It's your choice to pretend like someone who has done these things isn't a sick man. It's your choice to decide that you're okay with someone capable of that level of remorseless cruelty to others (And SO much more- we both know how long that list could have been) being in power.

But that doesn't make him any less broken. And I'm sorry but being able to recognize those things are bad things that only a bad person could do is not what's unhealthy here. Unhealthy is normalizing it.

You voted to elect a notoriously corrupt pedophile with dementia in 2020. Expectations of human decency don't really get any lower than that, which means it's time4u2stfu.

[Neveragain]

And his Vice President did have to be taken away from the crowd for his own safety.

Also Time4EverthingGay


Mike Pence is already talking about the LGBTQ rights he's looking forward to dismantling, and he's one of the most anti-gay elected officials in the country. He's responsible for one of the freedom to discrimination/freedom of religion bills.

Yesterday a "White Christian Nationalist" today a "Victim of Trump".

The days of this game are over, sweetie.

[Seran]

Also Time4EverthingGay



Yesterday a "White Christian Nationalist" today a "Victim of Trump".

The days of this game are over, sweetie.

White Christian Nationalists are victims of Trump too. We've got an entire country of victims of his attempted coup.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

White Christian Nationalists are victims of Trump too. We've got an entire country of victims of his attempted coup.

LULZ. Saying it thousands of times still doesn't make it factual. You should get back to reading up on child pornography laws, you know... for when you get caught.

[Seran]

Trump's threats of death and destruction if he's indicted, not to mention his poorly photoshopped graphic of him holding a baseball bat over the New York prosecutor isn't going to go well with the law. Trump seems to forget his other legal matter where he threatened the lives of Congress and organized an attempted coup.

https://nypost.com/2023/03/24/trump-shares-pic-holding-baseball-bat-near-das-head/

[Parkbandit]

White Christian Nationalists are victims of Trump too. We've got an entire country of victims of his attempted coup.

If you are using the word "coup" to describe Jan 6th, you are fucking retarded.

It's almost as retarded as when you called it an "Armed Insurrection"

Stop being such a dramatic little beta cuck.

[Parkbandit]

Trump's threats of death and destruction if he's indicted, not to mention his poorly photoshopped graphic of him holding a baseball bat over the New York prosecutor isn't going to go well with the law. Trump seems to forget his other legal matter where he threatened the lives of Congress and organized an attempted coup.

https://nypost.com/2023/03/24/trump-shares-pic-holding-baseball-bat-near-das-head/

It's quite telling that the unhinged lunatic Keith Olbermann in that article.

He's retarded.. but he's no Retard Champion like you.

[Methais]

If you are using the word "coup" to describe Jan 6th, you are fucking retarded.

It's almost as retarded as when you called it an "Armed Insurrection"

Stop being such a dramatic little beta cuck.

He's just following the code of the latest NPC patch.

I blame his mother for drinking heavily while pregnant.

[Suppressed Poet]

White Christian Nationalists are victims of Trump too. We've got an entire country of victims of his attempted coup.

It was a riot, not an attempted coup.

You know how I absolutely know that and you should too? Because 99.9% of the mob was unarmed. That’s not how a coup goes down.

[Methais]

It was a riot, not an attempted coup.

You know how I absolutely know that and you should too? Because 99.9% of the mob was unarmed. That’s not how a coup goes down.

In before "But I heard one of them had guns found in his car later on!!!!"

[Suppressed Poet]

In before "But I heard one of them had guns found in his car later on!!!!"

I left him 1 basis point for that kind of weird anomaly, but he won’t notice.

[Neveragain]

White Christian Nationalists are victims of Trump too. We've got an entire country of victims of his attempted coup.

All that we have accused you of will be temporarily forgiven if you kneel, just this one time, before the golden mule.

[drumpel]

He's just following the code of the latest NPC patch.

I blame his mother for drinking heavily while pregnant.

I blame her for not drinking enough.

[Methais]

I blame her for not drinking enough.

I blame her for not drinking enough while being near a flight of stairs.

[Seran]

It was a riot, not an attempted coup.

You know how I absolutely know that and you should too? Because 99.9% of the mob was unarmed. That’s not how a coup goes down.

Only a fraction of World War II Germany was Nazi's, we still bombed Berlin back into the Bronze Age.

Only a fraction of the Japanese people supportive of the war were in the military, two of their cities were nuked to end their participation in WWII

Only a fraction of those who stormed and trashed the Capital building were armed, but they still stormed Congress on behalf of a deranged would be autocrat during the January 6th attempted coup and yet they were all insurrectionists.

[Methais]

Only a fraction of World War II Germany was Nazi's, we still bombed Berlin back into the Bronze Age.

Only a fraction of the Japanese people supportive of the war were in the military, two of their cities were nuked to end their participation in WWII

Only a fraction of those who stormed and trashed the Capital building were armed, but they still stormed Congress on behalf of a deranged would be autocrat during the January 6th attempted coup and yet they were all insurrectionists.

Stop trying to be like time4fun. You might be the forever retard champion, but you'll never pull off being a drama queen like she does.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Only a fraction of World War II Germany was Nazi's, we still bombed Berlin back into the Bronze Age.

Only a fraction of the Japanese people supportive of the war were in the military, two of their cities were nuked to end their participation in WWII

Only a fraction of those who stormed and trashed the Capital building were armed, but they still stormed Congress on behalf of a deranged would be autocrat during the January 6th attempted coup and yet they were all insurrectionists.

Wow, terrible analogy.

[Neveragain]

Only a fraction of World War II Germany was Nazi's, we still bombed Berlin back into the Bronze Age.

Only a fraction of the Japanese people supportive of the war were in the military, two of their cities were nuked to end their participation in WWII

Only a fraction of those who stormed and trashed the Capital building were armed, but they still stormed Congress on behalf of a deranged would be autocrat during the January 6th attempted coup and yet they were all insurrectionists.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/Ck1Pib39Dl5TSzFB3S/200w.gif?cid=6c09b952exp4g849gjra7ul8qco2oor4tpr66 tx782ufwmo2&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

[Seran]

Wow, terrible analogy.

I know, I cringed myself but couldn't think of anything better.

[time4fun]

It's funny, so many desperate personal attacks but no actual responses to the substance and specifics of the argument. A cynical person might suspect you know you don't have any good responses and are desperate not to end up having to actually come out and say those things Trump did are okay and aren't at all a sign of a genuinely bad person who has no limits on how he will hurt people and no remorse for doing it.

The reality for you all is, and has been, that you have to paint anyone pointing out these very obvious things as crazy because if you don't, you'd have to admit that it's crazy not to point them out. It's a tacit way to acknowledge that you actually agree but don't want to have to admit it.

[Methais]

I know, I cringed myself but couldn't think of anything better.

So you realized it was a super cringe retarded analogy, but decided to post it anyway?


https://media3.giphy.com/media/F5mrqRvhkfWxO/200w.gif?cid=6c09b9525yc0c9lygny8wj2naqnmf70mroik9 kqgxdyl0cj1&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

[Neveragain]

It's funny, so many desperate personal attacks but no actual responses to the substance and specifics of the argument. A cynical person might suspect you know you don't have any good responses and are desperate not to end up having to actually come out and say those things Trump did are okay and aren't at all a sign of a genuinely bad person who has no limits on how he will hurt people and no remorse for doing it.

The reality for you all is, and has been, that you have to paint anyone pointing out these very obvious things as crazy because if you don't, you'd have to admit that it's crazy not to point them out. It's a tacit way to acknowledge that you actually agree but don't want to have to admit it.

Argument?

This "indictment" is crumbling, just like the other 198695 democrat accusations over the past 7 years.

Nobody is arguing that you like Trump. We are well aware of your disposition for the former president, you have reminded us, over and over, for 8 years.

[Suppressed Poet]

Only a fraction of World War II Germany was Nazi's, we still bombed Berlin back into the Bronze Age.

Only a fraction of the Japanese people supportive of the war were in the military, two of their cities were nuked to end their participation in WWII

Only a fraction of those who stormed and trashed the Capital building were armed, but they still stormed Congress on behalf of a deranged would be autocrat during the January 6th attempted coup and yet they were all insurrectionists.

Got it.

So in the recent incident of Congress disruption you posted a video of, a couple people shouted and interrupted an active session. One of them was detained by Capitol police while another lady seen wearing a Moms Demand Action shirt put her hands on an officer (violence). Therefore, Moms Demand Action needs to be immediately labeled a domestic terrorist organization and anyone who supports further infringements on constitutional 2A rights is culpable. Right?

Or…is it only radicals of the left riot in a similar manner, that is instead just a mostly peaceful protest?

[Parkbandit]

I know, I cringed myself but couldn't think of anything better.

Truer words have never, ever been typed out by you on this platform.

Ever.

[Parkbandit]

It's funny, so many desperate personal attacks but no actual responses to the substance and specifics of the argument. A cynical person might suspect you know you don't have any good responses and are desperate not to end up having to actually come out and say those things Trump did are okay and aren't at all a sign of a genuinely bad person who has no limits on how he will hurt people and no remorse for doing it.

The reality for you all is, and has been, that you have to paint anyone pointing out these very obvious things as crazy because if you don't, you'd have to admit that it's crazy not to point them out. It's a tacit way to acknowledge that you actually agree but don't want to have to admit it.

Sweetie, I hope you aren't referring to me.

I was honestly concerned for your emotional well being and how unhinged you are/were.

I don't understand it, but I can't imagine being that overly emotional about something like politics when in reality, it doesn't affect me much at all.

I just want you to get the medical attention you obviously require.

Maybe until then, stay off the Internet.

[Suppressed Poet]

It's funny, so many desperate personal attacks but no actual responses to the substance and specifics of the argument. A cynical person might suspect you know you don't have any good responses and are desperate not to end up having to actually come out and say those things Trump did are okay and aren't at all a sign of a genuinely bad person who has no limits on how he will hurt people and no remorse for doing it.

The reality for you all is, and has been, that you have to paint anyone pointing out these very obvious things as crazy because if you don't, you'd have to admit that it's crazy not to point them out. It's a tacit way to acknowledge that you actually agree but don't want to have to admit it.

What exactly are you arguing? I don’t think you went into enough detail of Orange Man Bad. Seems like a nice guy to me. Can you please explain to me, with much more thorough detail this time, why is Trump a bad man? I need to really feel the emotions this time so please don’t hold back.

[Parkbandit]

Only a fraction of World War II Germany was Nazi's, we still bombed Berlin back into the Bronze Age.

Only a fraction of the Japanese people supportive of the war were in the military, two of their cities were nuked to end their participation in WWII

Only a fraction of those who stormed and trashed the Capital building were armed, but they still stormed Congress on behalf of a deranged would be autocrat during the January 6th attempted coup and yet they were all insurrectionists.

Specifically, how many of these coupers/insurrectionists were armed when they went into the Capital building?

20%? 40%? 57? 251?

If you could get us that number, we might be able to better help you on where you went so wrong.

[Parkbandit]

So Bragg got a package with white powder that said "I'll kill you" today.

Has anyone seen Jessie Smollett or those 2 brothers who staged that play on the streets of Chicago?

This has all the hallmarks of those 3.

[Neveragain]

Specifically, how many of these coupers/insurrectionists were armed when they went into the Capital building?

20%? 40%? 57? 251?

If you could get us that number, we might be able to better help you on where you went so wrong.

If you can imagine Normandy or Guadalcanal, that's what Jan 6th was like.

[Suppressed Poet]

Seran & Time4Fun which event would you say was more damaging to the United States of America, January 6th or 9/11?

[Methais]

It's funny, so many desperate personal attacks but no actual responses to the substance and specifics of the argument. A cynical person might suspect you know you don't have any good responses and are desperate not to end up having to actually come out and say those things Trump did are okay and aren't at all a sign of a genuinely bad person who has no limits on how he will hurt people and no remorse for doing it.

The reality for you all is, and has been, that you have to paint anyone pointing out these very obvious things as crazy because if you don't, you'd have to admit that it's crazy not to point them out. It's a tacit way to acknowledge that you actually agree but don't want to have to admit it.

It's really just because people like you and Seran are too stupid and all around full of shit to argue with with any seriousness, which is why you're treated as entertainment instead.

As for Trump, he's stayed extra unhinged since the 2020 election and needs to shut the fuck up with all the whining. That has always been his biggest problem, and not his actual policies.

But only completely unreasonable retards like you, the type of retards who still double down 24/7 on January 6 being an "insurrection" or "attempted coup" or whatever your TV is telling you to say that day, despite that narrative being obvious trash the entire time and is getting exposed more and more every day as another democrat/MSM clown show, think that Trump is trying to get someone to murder this DA, all over what's clearly a bullshit case that's literally falling apart on its own anyway, because you retards operate on nothing but butthurt, gaslighting, and desperation, and you in particular are a notorious drama queen and a pathological liar on top of all of that.

I don't think even you believe that Trump's is trying to get anyone murdered, but you're also full of shit 24/7 and overly dramatic about everything and always in performance mode, so of course that's going to be your response to it, because butthurt fuels literally everything you do. But you're also bat shit insane with obvious mental illnesses, so I don't rule out anything with you or retards like you.

I think DeSantis has a better chance of winning in 2024, mainly because Trump can't stfu long enough to stop being his own worst enemy, but both are still 9478320432704932x better than Biden or anyone else democrats would have to offer.

Also, everything you're accusing "the right" of in your post is the exact same shit you've been doing for years. But feel free to link me to any posts where you did things such as condemn the 2020 riots, condemn SCOTUS assassination attempts, or anything else from the mountain of unhinged violent shit the people you embrace and support have been guilty of, especially under Trump.

TLDR: Nobody takes you seriously because you're a huge fraud, and only the dumbest of the dumb (i.e. Seran) can't see how obvious it is.

I hope this was a "serious" enough response for you. :)

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

It's funny, so many desperate personal attacks but no actual responses to the substance and specifics of the argument. A cynical person might suspect you know you don't have any good responses and are desperate not to end up having to actually come out and say those things Trump did are okay and aren't at all a sign of a genuinely bad person who has no limits on how he will hurt people and no remorse for doing it.

The reality for you all is, and has been, that you have to paint anyone pointing out these very obvious things as crazy because if you don't, you'd have to admit that it's crazy not to point them out. It's a tacit way to acknowledge that you actually agree but don't want to have to admit it.

I'm ok with virtually all of Trump's policies. Now what.

[Methais]

I'm ok with virtually all of Trump's policies. Now what.

She probably doesn't know any of his policies. Only mean tweets.

[Seran]

Got it.

So in the recent incident of Congress disruption you posted a video of, a couple people shouted and interrupted an active session. One of them was detained by Capitol police while another lady seen wearing a Moms Demand Action shirt put her hands on an officer (violence). Therefore, Moms Demand Action needs to be immediately labeled a domestic terrorist organization and anyone who supports further infringements on constitutional 2A rights is culpable. Right?

Or…is it only radicals of the left riot in a similar manner, that is instead just a mostly peaceful protest?

Blowing that interaction a wee bit out of there. Did she interrupt the Congressman, yes. Did she commit violence against the officer? No. Did that woman go through barricades, break through windows or locked doors and illegally enter the capital building with the intent to undermine and election? No again.

[time4fun]

She probably doesn't know any of his policies. Only mean tweets.

It's weird watching you play let's pretend on things. You REALLY commit.

You know for a fact I know his policies very well- very likely far better than you do honestly. So it's just weird when you pretend like I don't- when we both know I do.

But, more to the point, I was never talking about his policies. And you also know that.

I honestly have to point out that you virtually never have anything of substance to say. And it's kind of sad watching someone who is so desperate to be relevant but who is so ill-equipped to be relevant try so hard. Sweetie- you literally waded through posts that are 7 years old in this desperate attempt to respond to an argument without actually responding to it. I can't imagine being so desperate not to engage with an argument that I thought my best path forward was to find an unrelated 7 year-old post from someone. It's an amazing amount of work just to say "I'm not equipped to handle what you said"

[Suppressed Poet]

It's weird watching you play let's pretend on things. You REALLY commit.

You know for a fact I know his policies very well- very likely far better than you do honestly. So it's just weird when you pretend like I don't- when we both know I do.

But, more to the point, I was never talking about his policies. And you also know that.

I honestly have to point out that you virtually never have anything of substance to say. And it's kind of sad watching someone who is so desperate to be relevant but who is so ill-equipped to be relevant try so hard. Sweetie- you literally waded through posts that are 7 years old in this desperate attempt to respond to an argument without actually responding to it. I can't imagine being so desperate not to engage with an argument that I thought my best path forward was to find an unrelated 7 year-old post from someone. It's an amazing amount of work just to say "I'm not equipped to handle what you said"

I think he won.

In all fairness your judgement of Trump’s character only counts half as much of Methais with you being a woman and all. Perhaps we can call it split decision if I afford you a handicap.

You never really told us the real WHY part of your Trump hatred. I really look forward to hearing it with all the details included this time.

[Solkern]

You never really told us the real WHY part of your Trump hatred. I really look forward to hearing it with all the details included this time.


One person’s freedom fighter, is another person’s terrorist.
People view people differently, that’s it. T4F and plenty others hate Trump, while plenty of others love Trump, and all of their reasons can be stupid to the other side, and on the other hand, perfectly reasonable to like minded people.

Personally I dislike Trump, I think he’s an idiot, but I don’t hate anyone.

[Suppressed Poet]

One person’s freedom fighter, is another person’s terrorist.
People view people differently, that’s it. T4F and plenty others hate Trump, while plenty of others love Trump, and all of their reasons can be stupid to the other side, and on the other hand, perfectly reasonable to like minded people.

Personally I dislike Trump, I think he’s an idiot, but I don’t hate anyone.

I personally dislike Trump. He has many negative characteristics but I don’t think he is an idiot. He is more like the white Don King but on a much grander scale than just boxing. Where I know I’ll disagree with you is his policies as president actually weren’t terrible in my opinion. Turns out that being a narcissistic prick snake oil selling scumbag is not really a detriment to being a successful businessman or President. I don’t think he can win a general election though because normal people are just fatigued from all his bullshit.

The extremes on both sides being the Trump QAnon worshippers & the Orange Man Bad haters that blame him for every problem on earth have a lot in common. They both love to hear on the news exactly how long and what kind of shit he plopped into the toilet this morning. They are both also nutty as hell.

[Solkern]

I personally dislike Trump. He has many negative characteristics but I don’t think he is an idiot. He is more like the white Don King but on a much grander scale than just boxing. Where I know I’ll disagree with you is his policies as president actually weren’t terrible in my opinion. Turns out that being a narcissistic prick snake oil selling scumbag is not really a detriment to being a successful businessman or President. I don’t think he can win a general election though because normal people are just fatigued from all his bullshit.

The extremes on both sides being the Trump QAnon worshippers & the Orange Man Bad haters that blame him for every problem on earth have a lot in common. They both love to hear on the news exactly how long and what kind of shit he plopped into the toilet this morning. They are both also nutty as hell.

Oh I’ve consistently said on these forums, Trump’s policies were great for me.

What really hurt me, was when he was president, all my friends who dreamed of coming to America, didn’t want to anymore, because of him. He ruined their image of what america is. I tried to tell them otherwise, but they said, this man is the face of your country, he represents your country.

[Suppressed Poet]

Oh I’ve consistently said on these forums, Trump’s policies were great for me.

What really hurt me, was when he was president, all my friends who dreamed of coming to America, didn’t want to anymore, because of him. He ruined their image of what america is. I tried to tell them otherwise, but they said, this man is the face of your country, he represents your country.

Yeah, I can see what you are talking about on the international stage especially in the east where the executive leader most often has much more control. On foreign policy Trump came in with a heavy arrogant hand as a starting position for international negotiations. I think that is just part of his “art of the deal” or whatever sales tactics. He pissed off a lot of our allies, but his grievances with things like trade agreements & NATO support/obligations were not completely unfounded in my opinion. He can also be an asshole in general and that really bothers emotionally attuned people with his comments/tweets/etc. Personally I prefer that over our current president who appears weak & incompetent, but to each their own. I don’t think any president is a great representation of the broader American culture though.

I engage in a limited amount of business with partners & clients in the EU with my job. When they hear my accent and I tell them I’m from Texas, they assume I ride a horse to work & should be wearing a cowboy hat. I tell them we replaced horses for big pickup trucks and cowboy hats for Dallas Cowboy ball caps.

[Arqueto]

It's really just because people like you and Seran are too stupid and all around full of shit to argue with with any seriousness, which is why you're treated as entertainment instead.

As for Trump, he's stayed extra unhinged since the 2020 election and needs to shut the fuck up with all the whining. That has always been his biggest problem, and not his actual policies.

But only completely unreasonable retards like you, the type of retards who still double down 24/7 on January 6 being an "insurrection" or "attempted coup" or whatever your TV is telling you to say that day, despite that narrative being obvious trash the entire time and is getting exposed more and more every day as another democrat/MSM clown show, think that Trump is trying to get someone to murder this DA, all over what's clearly a bullshit case that's literally falling apart on its own anyway, because you retards operate on nothing but butthurt, gaslighting, and desperation, and you in particular are a notorious drama queen and a pathological liar on top of all of that.

I don't think even you believe that Trump's is trying to get anyone murdered, but you're also full of shit 24/7 and overly dramatic about everything and always in performance mode, so of course that's going to be your response to it, because butthurt fuels literally everything you do. But you're also bat shit insane with obvious mental illnesses, so I don't rule out anything with you or retards like you.

I think DeSantis has a better chance of winning in 2024, mainly because Trump can't stfu long enough to stop being his own worst enemy, but both are still 9478320432704932x better than Biden or anyone else democrats would have to offer.

Also, everything you're accusing "the right" of in your post is the exact same shit you've been doing for years. But feel free to link me to any posts where you did things such as condemn the 2020 riots, condemn SCOTUS assassination attempts, or anything else from the mountain of unhinged violent shit the people you embrace and support have been guilty of, especially under Trump.

TLDR: Nobody takes you seriously because you're a huge fraud, and only the dumbest of the dumb (i.e. Seran) can't see how obvious it is.

I hope this was a "serious" enough response for you. :)

Pwned.

[Suppressed Poet]

Blowing that interaction a wee bit out of there. Did she interrupt the Congressman, yes. Did she commit violence against the officer? No. Did that woman go through barricades, break through windows or locked doors and illegally enter the capital building with the intent to undermine and election? No again.

The interaction I described was truthful. If all those things you asked happened you would not hold entire political activist groups or the Democratic Party as a whole culpable, nor should you because the actions of a few bad apples does not represent the larger group. It’s like if a cop does something bad and is caught on camera doing so. Hopefully we have learned that doesn’t mean ACAB (all cops are bastards) or that we should defund the police because of some corrupt o authoritarian pig. Hold the people that committed crimes responsible for the crimes they actually committed, and don’t project that upon an entire political party that represents roughly half the voters in America.

[~Rocktar~]

Oh I’ve consistently said on these forums, Trump’s policies were great for me.

What really hurt me, was when he was president, all my friends who dreamed of coming to America, didn’t want to anymore, because of him. He ruined their image of what america is. I tried to tell them otherwise, but they said, this man is the face of your country, he represents your country.

So they will understand, assuming they are mostly in Russia and other places like that, that we can assume they are all tyrannical, totalitarian dictators with a god complex that like to murder their neighbors in the quest to re-establish the USSR.

Gods they need to grow up.

[Neveragain]

What really hurt me, was when he was president, all my friends who dreamed of coming to America, didn’t want to anymore, because of him. He ruined their image of what america is. I tried to tell them otherwise, but they said, this man is the face of your country, he represents your country.

What kind of limp wristed Eurofags are you hanging out with?

What specifically did Trump do that made the Eurogrifters scared to come to America?

[Parkbandit]

It's weird watching you play let's pretend on things. You REALLY commit.

Holy fucking hell.

Did you really type that out??


You know for a fact I know his policies very well- very likely far better than you do honestly.

Is this like the time you said you probably make more than all of us?

I laughed.



So it's just weird when you pretend like I don't- when we both know I do.

Honestly, you should stop using the word pretend, given your history here. Also, don't use words like fabricate, lie, distortion, fib, hyperbole, distortion, dishonesty, etc...


But, more to the point, I was never talking about his policies. And you also know that.

Well you most certainly proved you know his policies so far!


I honestly

Cringe... please stop...



have to point out that you virtually never have anything of substance to say. And it's kind of sad watching someone who is so desperate to be relevant but who is so ill-equipped to be relevant try so hard. Sweetie- you literally waded through posts that are 7 years old in this desperate attempt to respond to an argument without actually responding to it. I can't imagine being so desperate not to engage with an argument that I thought my best path forward was to find an unrelated 7 year-old post from someone. It's an amazing amount of work just to say "I'm not equipped to handle what you said"

What substance did you add with this post? Be specific, because I see nothing but your typical, over-dramatic and emotionally unstable post.

[Parkbandit]

Oh I’ve consistently said on these forums, Trump’s policies were great for me.

What really hurt me, was when he was president, all my friends who dreamed of coming to America, didn’t want to anymore, because of him. He ruined their image of what america is. I tried to tell them otherwise, but they said, this man is the face of your country, he represents your country.

LOL.

We are really hurt that these sensitive little people don't want to come here anymore.

Let them stay where they are... I'm fine with that.

[Parkbandit]

cowboy hats for Dallas Cowboy ball caps.

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[Seran]

The interaction I described was truthful. If all those things you asked happened you would not hold entire political activist groups or the Democratic Party as a whole culpable, nor should you because the actions of a few bad apples does not represent the larger group. It’s like if a cop does something bad and is caught on camera doing so. Hopefully we have learned that doesn’t mean ACAB (all cops are bastards) or that we should defund the police because of some corrupt o authoritarian pig. Hold the people that committed crimes responsible for the crimes they actually committed, and don’t project that upon an entire political party that represents roughly half the voters in America.

The poignancy of the video was the tone deaf Texan asking if that interaction was an insurrection. By doing so he painted himself an idiot and minimized the hundreds who are incarcerated and all those injured or died directly or as a result of Trump's January 6th. His comment, nor the woman's protest had anything to do with the ACAB movement, though it in of itself is a heaping mass of stupid.

[Parkbandit]

The poignancy of the video was the tone deaf Texan asking if that interaction was an insurrection. By doing so he painted himself an idiot and minimized the hundreds who are incarcerated and all those injured or died directly or as a result of Trump's January 6th. His comment, nor the woman's protest had anything to do with the ACAB movement, though it in of itself is a heaping mass of stupid.

You posted the video.

We laughed at you because it was obvious it went over your head.

You came back and proved it went over your head.

I thank you.

[Solkern]

What kind of limp wristed Eurofags are you hanging out with?

What specifically did Trump do that made the Eurogrifters scared to come to America?


While you can label them, how ever you want, doesn’t change the fact, that with people abroad, he hurt our image, while I can tell that means absolutely nothing to you, to others it means something. Extremely bright and educated people that can be a big benefit by relocating to the states, rather not come anymore, is not good for our country.

[Solkern]

LOL.

We are really hurt that these sensitive little people don't want to come here anymore.

Let them stay where they are... I'm fine with that.

Many of our brightest minds, came from other countries, who cares right? I mean it only hurts our future.

In regards to just tourism, International travel plays a critical role in the US economy. Prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, in 2019, international visitors spent $233.5 billion experiencing the United States; injecting nearly $640 million a day into the U.S. economy.

https://www.trade.gov/travel-tourism-industry

Yeah, who cares, they can stay away.

Let all these people go to another country, they can relocate to China or whatever and help them, instead of us. Really good for our country.

[Suppressed Poet]

Many of our brightest minds, came from other countries, who cares right? I mean it only hurts our future.

In regards to just tourism, International travel plays a critical role in the US economy. Prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, in 2019, international visitors spent $233.5 billion experiencing the United States; injecting nearly $640 million a day into the U.S. economy.

https://www.trade.gov/travel-tourism-industry

Yeah, who cares, they can stay away.

Let all these people go to another country, they can relocate to China or whatever and help them, instead of us. Really good for our country.

We like the kind of immigrants we receive from Operation Paperclip.

I don’t think the poor destitute Honduran Horde that has smashed through our southern borders are going to make a great intellectual contribution to our nation. We also don’t see other countries eagerly lining up to accept a mass migration of refugees so they can improve their own economies like you suggest will happen.

[Solkern]

We like the kind of immigrants we receive from Operation Paperclip.

I don’t think the poor destitute Honduran Horde that has smashed through our southern borders are going to make a great intellectual contribution to our nation. We also don’t see other countries eagerly lining up to accept a mass migration of refugees so they can improve their own economies like you suggest will happen.

I wasn’t referencing that, I’m talking about specific people I know, that dreamed of immigrating to America. Educated people that would benefit our country. They told me it’s a general consensus amongst them. Those people don’t want to come anymore and that isn’t a good thing.

[Seran]

We like the kind of immigrants we receive from Operation Paperclip.

I don’t think the poor destitute Honduran Horde that has smashed through our southern borders are going to make a great intellectual contribution to our nation. We also don’t see other countries eagerly lining up to accept a mass migration of refugees so they can improve their own economies like you suggest will happen.

Why would people from south of the United States border be any less intelligent than any other immigrant?

[Solkern]

Why would people from south of the United States border be any less intelligent than any other immigrant?

I don’t think he meant their level of intelligence, more like the reasons they are coming here aren’t to find highly skilled jobs.

[Neveragain]

While you can label them, how ever you want, doesn’t change the fact, that with people abroad, he hurt our image, while I can tell that means absolutely nothing to you, to others it means something. Extremely bright and educated people that can be a big benefit by relocating to the states, rather not come anymore, is not good for our country.

Yet, you are unable to say what Trump did to make them not want to come to the US.

They're Eurofags. I would prefer to take in 10 central Americans than even 1 Eurofag.

[~Rocktar~]

While you can label them, how ever you want, doesn’t change the fact, that with people abroad, he hurt our image, while I can tell that means absolutely nothing to you, to others it means something. Extremely bright and educated people that can be a big benefit by relocating to the states, rather not come anymore, is not good for our country.

They aren't that bright if they can be swayed by such things and want to label the whole country based on one person. So, in light of this stupidity, I would wonder how badly they think of us based on Biden's incompetent bumbling stupidity.

[Solkern]

Yet, you are unable to say what Trump did to make them not want to come to the US.

They're Eurofags. I would prefer to take in 10 central Americans than even 1 Eurofag.

Does it really matter what exactly about Trump that they don’t like, matter? He was combative, people felt he spewed a shit ton of hate, and they felt like a lot of people felt that way as half the country supported him, he made america feel unwelcoming.

I can understand why it’s hard for you to comprehend that not everyone around the world had a positive view of trump, and their view of America became more negative.

[Solkern]

They aren't that bright if they can be swayed by such things and want to label the whole country based on one person. So, in light of this stupidity, I would wonder how badly they think of us based on Biden's incompetent bumbling stupidity.


Half the country voted for him, and that’s a way of showing that you support what he says and does.

[Parkbandit]

Many of our brightest minds, came from other countries, who cares right? I mean it only hurts our future.

In regards to just tourism, International travel plays a critical role in the US economy. Prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, in 2019, international visitors spent $233.5 billion experiencing the United States; injecting nearly $640 million a day into the U.S. economy.

https://www.trade.gov/travel-tourism-industry

Yeah, who cares, they can stay away.

Let all these people go to another country, they can relocate to China or whatever and help them, instead of us. Really good for our country.

If someone is so sensitive that they don't want to come to this country because of President Trump, then I'm glad that it took 1 tiny incident for them to change their mind. They are chronic malcontents that are just never happy and will bitch about every.little.thing.

We don't need anymore malcontents.. we have an entire generation of them currently.

[Neveragain]

Does it really matter what exactly about Trump that they don’t like, matter? He was combative, people felt he spewed a shit ton of hate, and they felt like a lot of people felt that way as half the country supported him, he made america feel unwelcoming.

I can understand why it’s hard for you to comprehend that not everyone around the world had a positive view of trump, and their view of America became more negative.

Sounds like some extremely sensitive people if you can't even list anything that Trump actually did to make people not want to come to the US.

I think we will manage without importing ultrasensitive academia's, we have plenty as is.

[~Rocktar~]

Half the country voted for him, and that’s a way of showing that you support what he says and does.

Which is a non-answer.

[Methais]

It's weird watching you play let's pretend on things. You REALLY commit.

How fucking lacking in self awareness of a statement is this, hahahahahahaha shut the fuck up. :rofl:


You know for a fact I know his policies very well- very likely far better than you do honestly. So it's just weird when you pretend like I don't- when we both know I do.

You're notorious for constantly making shit up, twisting the fuck out of everything, ignoring things that are inconvenient for your narrative, doubling down on things you like regardless of whether they're true or not, etc. Basically you have zero credibility when it comes to anything political because you put the narrative and your own personal butthurt ahead of everything else.


But, more to the point, I was never talking about his policies. And you also know that.

That's because you're full of mental illness and you operate on butthurt. Try worrying more about the policies instead of mean tweets. Most people aren't going to try and argue that Trump is a great person, but in the real world, which is a foreign place to you, it's the policies that matter. Everything else is just show.


I honestly have to point out that you virtually never have anything of substance to say. And it's kind of sad watching someone who is so desperate to be relevant but who is so ill-equipped to be relevant try so hard. Sweetie- you literally waded through posts that are 7 years old in this desperate attempt to respond to an argument without actually responding to it. I can't imagine being so desperate not to engage with an argument that I thought my best path forward was to find an unrelated 7 year-old post from someone. It's an amazing amount of work just to say "I'm not equipped to handle what you said"

Why would anyone in their right mind try to have a serious discussion with retards like you who literally just make shit up as they go along?

Like this:


Sweetie- you literally waded through posts that are 7 years old in this desperate attempt to respond to an argument without actually responding to it.

If you didn't have your head up your ass, you would have noticed that I said I was too lazy to go dig it up, paraphrased what I remembered from it, then PB quoted the actual post later. Looks like you're wrong and stupid yet again.

See how you just make things up as you go along? And you still can't figure out why you get trolled all day.

I've made no secret over the years about how you and the other megatards here are nothing more than entertainment in this folder for when I'm bored at work. If I did want to have a serious political discussion though, which I don't, because 99% of it is bullshit anyway, it wouldn't be on a forum for a 30 year old text game with retards like you who legit believe things like biological men can breastfeed, 849273042 genders, has a PhD in everything and is an expert on literally everything, and spends all day sniffing their own farts while constantly being wrong and stupid, stupid to the point that not even the other leftists here will claim you.

If that upsets you, then perhaps you should try being less retarded, less full of shit, and less butthurt over mean tweets and focus on policies instead of "hE's A mOnStEr!!!!"



Honorable mention goes to this part too:


You know for a fact I know his policies very well- very likely far better than you do honestly. So it's just weird when you pretend like I don't- when we both know I do.


But, more to the point, I was never talking about his policies. And you also know that.


So which is it? Both statements can't be true. See how you're full of shit so much that you don't even realize when you contradict yourself in the same breath?

Also you: wHy WoN't AnYoNe TaKe Me SeRiOuSlY?!??!?!

[Methais]

While you can label them, how ever you want, doesn’t change the fact, that with people abroad, he hurt our image, while I can tell that means absolutely nothing to you, to others it means something. Extremely bright and educated people that can be a big benefit by relocating to the states, rather not come anymore, is not good for our country.

Now tell us about what sort of media or "news" they're allowed to see over there, and that will probably explain a lot.

[Solkern]

Now tell us about what sort of media or "news" they're allowed to see over there, and that will probably explain a lot.

Russian media was heavily pro-trump.

[~Rocktar~]

Russian media was heavily pro-trump.

So they will understand when we think they are all corrupt, war mongering Communist's intent on rebuilding the USSR, killing and raping their neighbors in pointless wars of aggression and murdering off their own youth in such wars all so they act an ass on the international stage, amirte? And before you go denying that, well, that's the perception of Putin around the world and based on your own words, that is the logic to apply.

GTFO.

[Neveragain]

Russian media was heavily pro-trump.

Still no mention of what Trump actually did that scared all your Eurogrifter friends from coming to the US?

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[Solkern]

So they will understand when we think they are all corrupt, war mongering Communist's intent on rebuilding the USSR, killing and raping their neighbors in pointless wars of aggression and murdering off their own youth in such wars all so they act an ass on the international stage, amirte? And before you go denying that, well, that's the perception of Putin around the world and based on your own words, that is the logic to apply.

GTFO.

Huh?
Let’s try to break this down, because you just went full idiot.
First I said “Russian media WAS pro trump” while he was president.
Did Russia invade Ukraine during Trump’s presidency?
You just did an incoherent rant about absolutely nothing we were talking about.

You literally responded with nothing that has to do with what Methais and I were talking about.

We talked about Trump and the Russian media regarding him during his presidency…
And somehow you turned that into a incoherent rant about Putin, invasion, murder and whatever else you can think of… lol?

Next based on my own words? I said people I know, I didn’t say everyone… is your reading comprehension that bad?

[Solkern]

Still no mention of what Trump actually did that scared all your Eurogrifter friends from coming to the US?

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Sorry, I didn’t ask them for specific things Trump said or did that turned them off, I don’t discuss politics with my friends.
I know it’s quite hard for you to accept that some people around the world didn’t like Trump, and they think he ruined America’s image.

[Methais]

Sorry, I didn’t ask them for specific things Trump said or did that turned them off, I don’t discuss politics with my friends.
I know it’s quite hard for you to accept that some people around the world didn’t like Trump, and they think he ruined America’s image.

Fun question just out of curiosity: In your own personal opinion, who has made us look worse overall? Trump? Or Biden?

[~Rocktar~]

Huh?
Let’s try to break this down, because you just went full idiot.
First I said “Russian media WAS pro trump” while he was president.
Did Russia invade Ukraine during Trump’s presidency?
You just did an incoherent rant about absolutely nothing we were talking about.

You literally responded with nothing that has to do with what Methais and I were talking about.

We talked about Trump and the Russian media regarding him during his presidency…
And somehow you turned that into a incoherent rant about Putin, invasion, murder and whatever else you can think of… lol?

Next based on my own words? I said people I know, I didn’t say everyone… is your reading comprehension that bad?

No you dumbass. Here is the flow of things that you keep willfully ignoring in an attempt to defend your butthurt friends that don't want to come to the US because of Trump.

1. You said friends don't want to come to the US because they think that Trump is representative of how American is/Americans are. This is a summary of YOUR words.
2. I said ok then, they will understand when we think they are all like Putin right and them I listed some of his asshole characteristics.
3. You backpaddled and deflected.
4. I clarified, again listing some of Putin's less favorable traits.
5. You tied to distract and claim I am off topic with a rant.
6. I am calling your dumb ass out for not following your OWN logic in this dumbass argument you have made. <--- we are here.

To recap: You said that because of how Trump acts your buds think Americans are that way. I said yeah, by that logic, everyone in Russia is like Putin. You lost your own train of thought in an apologist attempt to cover and excuse your whiny friends lack of rational thought.

[Neveragain]

Sorry, I didn’t ask them for specific things Trump said or did that turned them off, I don’t discuss politics with my friends.
I know it’s quite hard for you to accept that some people around the world didn’t like Trump, and they think he ruined America’s image.

You don't discuss politics with your friends, except, this one time when all your friends discussed politics.

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[Solkern]

No you dumbass. Here is the flow of things that you keep willfully ignoring in an attempt to defend your butthurt friends that don't want to come to the US because of Trump.

1. You said friends don't want to come to the US because they think that Trump is representative of how American is/Americans are. This is a summary of YOUR words.
2. I said ok then, they will understand when we think they are all like Putin right and them I listed some of his asshole characteristics.
3. You backpaddled and deflected.
4. I clarified, again listing some of Putin's less favorable traits.
5. You tied to distract and claim I am off topic with a rant.
6. I am calling your dumb ass out for not following your OWN logic in this dumbass argument you have made. <--- we are here.

To recap: You said that because of how Trump acts your buds think Americans are that way. I said yeah, by that logic, everyone in Russia is like Putin. You lost your own train of thought in an apologist attempt to cover and excuse your whiny friends lack of rational thought.


That was an absolute master class on whataboutism!

Everything you mentioned has absolutely nothing to do with what my friends thought of Trump and their choice not to come to the states anymore.

No one is talking about Putin in this conversation, except you… absolutely no one

[Solkern]

You don't discuss politics with your friends, except, this one time when all your friends discussed politics.

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Getting into full blown political conversations with them, is what I avoid. They made a comment, and it ended there. Is that a hard concept for you to understand?

[Neveragain]

That was an absolute master class on whataboutism!

I'll take "whataboutisms" over blatant lies any day of the week.

Your "friends" never said these things.

[~Rocktar~]

That was an absolute master class on whataboutism!

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[Neveragain]

Getting into full blown political conversations with them, is what I avoid. They made a comment, and it ended there. Is that a hard concept for you to understand?

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