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~Rocktar~
07-07-2022, 11:01 AM
This came across my feed, thought it was interesting. Lots of people warned of fuel shortages and food shortages and then there was babyfood, is this next?


Baby Formula was just a test run... Do you know what DEF fluid is? It's Diesel Exhaust Fluid. Every Diesel truck that has been made since 2010 is required to use it. It's a product made of 67% Urea fertilizer and 33% distilled water. Every diesel truck you see driving down the road today has to have this product to drive. The engines won't start without it. There are regulators inside the engine that mix DEF with the Diesel to reduce Diesel emissions. That's the purpose of DEF.

Right now, Russia is the largest exporter of Urea by a wide margin. Qatar is second. Egypt and China are Tied for 3rd. Both Russia and China have decided to no longer export Urea. On top of that, India is the largest manufacturer of Urea in the world even though they consume most of what they make. What little they would export..........they no longer do. They are now stopping the exportation of any and all Urea minus a deal they just cut with Sri Lanka.
What does this mean for you and me? Well, first, the United States imports most of it's Urea fertilizer. We are the third largest importer in the entire world. We depend on other countries to eat, drive and ship our products.

Secondly... Flying J is the largest Service provider for Truckers around the Unites States. I'm sure you've seen their massive gas stations when traveling around the country. Flying J gets 70% of their DEF fluid from shipments via Union Pacific railroad. UP has single user access to the Fertilizer plants that Urea/DEF fluid comes from. No other rail provider has access to these distribution points. This means Flying J can't just go around Union Pacific. Union Pacific is in charge....for a reason I'm gonna mention in a few paragraphs.
Flying J provides 30% of all DEF consumed in the United States. UP has told Flying J to reduce their shipments by a whopping 50%. And if they do not comply then they will be completely embargoed. That would in effect bankrupt FJ. This means that 15% of all DEF consumed by truckers in the US is no longer available at the largest travel service center for the entire trucking industry.

Rome rotted from the inside out. It was easily invaded because it was occupied with internal problems. It appears we have discovered the Trigger. DEF fluid. If this holds up, DEF shortages will be the catalyst that causes food shortages in the coming months. Not only is there a shortage of fertilizer to grow crops in drought-stricken states (See Kansas' drop in wheat production for 2022)....but....now it looks like, unless the Federal Government intervenes via the Defense Production Act, ...which I am no longer confident they will....there is gonna be an absolute massive shortage of trucking in the coming months.

There simply isn't going to be DEF fluid sufficient to keep the engines running and moving. Home Depot is now limiting the amount of DEF you can buy in their stores.
I would think long and hard about the decisions you are making right now. Where you live. What you spend money on. How you prepare. This is so real that the CEO of Flying J, Shameek Konar was summoned to a Surface Transportation Board hearing to give them all this info.
From what I'm reading....Blackrock is the majority shareholder of Union Pacific railroad. How is that important? Americas biggest fertilizer producer is CF Industries. Their largest shareholder is Blackrock. Blackrock controls the fertilizer industry in the U.S.. Union Pacific has exclusive rights to distribution points of fertilizer. Urea is fertilizer. Flying J needs Urea/DEF. Blackrock is controlling everything.

The Chairman of the BlackRock Investment Institute is Tom Donilon, President Obama’s former National Security Advisor. Tom Donilon’s brother, Mike Donilon is a Senior Advisor to Joe Biden. Tom Donilon’s wife, Catherine Russell, is the White House Personnel Director. Tom Donilon’s daughter, Sarah Donilon, who graduated college in 2019, now works on the White House National Security Council.

It appears Blackrock is spearheading the dismantling of the US system on behalf of the Globalists. And the first domino they are pushing over is the energy sector. They are using DEF to get the party started. This is one sector of the biggest downfalls in political repercussions this country has ever faced…

Gelston
07-07-2022, 11:07 AM
There isn't a DEF shortage, there is a railway labor shortage. It is getting snagged in the logistics.

~Rocktar~
07-07-2022, 11:20 AM
There isn't a DEF shortage, there is a railway labor shortage. It is getting snagged in the logistics.

Perhaps, thought with India, Russia and China, substantial world players in the DEF market, I am sure that it isn't as clear cut as we might think. Yes, we have a rail labor shortage along with a lot of other labor shortages thanks to government handouts. This crash is going to be substantial.

Gelston
07-07-2022, 11:27 AM
Perhaps, thought with India, Russia and China, substantial world players in the DEF market, I am sure that it isn't as clear cut as we might think. Yes, we have a rail labor shortage along with a lot of other labor shortages thanks to government handouts. This crash is going to be substantial.

Eh, they're just going to suspend HOS rules for DEF transportation, but there isn't a DEF shortage in the US. Hell, we've actually been steadily cutting back no the importation of Urea since 2017.

kutter
07-07-2022, 02:49 PM
Besides, it is a simple enough thing to bypass the the DEF sensors in a diesel. Most of the people I know that own non-commercial diesels, remove it the moment that the warranty is out, so I doubt it would be hard for commercial vehicles as well.

Gelston
07-07-2022, 04:18 PM
Besides, it is a simple enough thing to bypass the the DEF sensors in a diesel. Most of the people I know that own non-commercial diesels, remove it the moment that the warranty is out, so I doubt it would be hard for commercial vehicles as well.

You absolutely could, but you'd probably get your truck shut down at the first inspection station you hit.

kutter
07-07-2022, 04:34 PM
You absolutely could, but you'd probably get your truck shut down at the first inspection station you hit.

I was kind of meaning if the gubmnt waved, temporarily of course, since we know that once regs are put in place they never go away.

Neveragain
07-07-2022, 05:06 PM
When using everything but the oink becomes reality.

Bhaalizmo
07-07-2022, 07:41 PM
There isn't a DEF shortage, there is a railway labor shortage. It is getting snagged in the logistics.

Thanks for replying to Rocktar's thread, after the way the last few have turned out, I was getting worried for him.

Alfster
07-07-2022, 09:12 PM
You absolutely could, but you'd probably get your truck shut down at the first inspection station you hit.

What's an inspection station?

Gelston
07-07-2022, 09:18 PM
What's an inspection station?

You know them as weigh stations.

Realk
07-07-2022, 09:20 PM
What's an inspection station?

We don't have official ones set up most of the time, but at any given time the state trooper could pull you over with the only purpose of asking to you to a weigh station and subject to a full safety inspection.

Gelston
07-07-2022, 09:21 PM
We don't have official ones set up most of the time, but at any given time the state trooper could pull you over with the only purpose of asking to you to a weigh station and subject to a full safety inspection.

That too. Any weigh station will inspect a truck every so often too, whether they have a count or just suspicion.

Gelston
07-07-2022, 09:24 PM
Oh, and there was a video I saw once where like 40 Texas DPS officers drove into a truck stop and just started inspecting everyone.

Realk
07-07-2022, 09:49 PM
I think we are all of the thought, if it starts effecting life and shipping in general suspending it for a period of time would be the solution. Once you open the bottle it probably will be hard to close the lid again though.

Gelston
07-07-2022, 10:02 PM
I think we are all of the thought, if it starts effecting life and shipping in general suspending it for a period of time would be the solution. Once you open the bottle it probably will be hard to close the lid again though.

They'd probably allow it, they've suspended HOS regulations for COVID and all that.