Hackers rule the world!!!

[GSTamral]

So yesterday, after getting out of work late for yet another day (fucking Israelis don't seem to understand proper procedure when uploading flat files to the mainframe, and flights keep getting delayed because of it) I went into a local coffee shop to grab a 10 o clock dinner, when what do I see, but the local coffee shop Wi-Fi has been hijacked by a dumbass kid who thinks he's all smart and the ultimate Hacker. Problem is, he tried to name the hijacked network Angolo's, so people who tried to connect wirelessly on their laptops would not check the spelling to see it wasn't Angelo's. Secondly, he was stupid enough to have a printer profile on this network that has his family's last name on it.

To make a long story short, he really wasn't able to get anything from my laptop other than files dealing with work, most of which are confidential, but wouldn't mean anything to someone who didn't understand them, but after calling him out on it in front of about 40 people, 8 or 9 of whom were using their laptops, we called the cops and did a little search of his PC before they arrived only to find he had at least 15 different credit cards stored in a text file, none of which were his. I also suggested that another person there accidentally "drop" his laptop and then step on the monitor trying to pick it up, which he did most beautifullly, even remembering to write down the exact contents of the text file for authorities to contact and review. He lives about 2 miles from my house, and I am in debate as to what course of action to take next, which include but are not restricted to:

1) Killing his cat by accidentally running it over with my car. (I assume he has a cat because his desktop has a picture of him holding a cat in a/his living room)
2) Advising other kids in the local high school to beat the piss out of him, especially since 3 of those credit card numbers were in names of local high school boys that I know of, this is my current top option.
3) Advising other kids in his high school to spread a rumor that he is not a heterosexual.
4) Rally up people to ostracize his family for raising a fuck-up, hopefully leading up to a lawsuit that costs them house and home. (but this would take time and effort I don’t necessarily want to spend)

Any ideas? I want to ensure this kid and/or his family are fucked.

[Showal]

Whoa! Angry!

[Kia]

You called the cops and did your job as the good citizen. Leave his cat (or whatever) alone for crying out loud. Any efforts to "make sure he gets fucked" would only make you as pathetic as he is.

Kia

The hell?

What happened to the option of him getting shipped off to pound-you-in-the-ass federal prison?

[Sylph]

Tamral... 2 & 3 is the most viable option IMO

[GSTamral]

He's under 18 Stanley. The penalties at his age for what he did are minimal. Absolutely not nearly enough. Thus it has to be ensured that the punishment fits the crime. He wants to steal credit card numbers, he needs to get a whipping. BAD.

Then kill his cat :up:

[AnticorRifling]

I'd do all the suggestions.

[Showal]

So you broke his computer and now want to get him back more.

What are you going to do? Drive up to the high school and stop some random kids and be like "This kid i saw at this coffee store was trying to hack computers! He stole these credit card numbers! Tell other kids he's gay or beat him up."

No one's going to listen and/or care. No kid's going to risk getting suspended or kicked out of school to beat up some kid that someone else is angry at because he tried to get info off their computer.

Give me a break. I agree with Kia, doing any of this is just going to make you look pathetic.

[Myitkyina]

leave cats and gay people alone!

I don't know, I'd say you handled it pretty well so far, so just try to let it go. I know the justice system doesn't always work perfectly and rarely satisfies the victims, but if you retaliate things could just get worse.

but you can ignore me... mostly I'm just procrastinating.

[Syberus]

Cat never did anything man... leave it alone.

[AnticorRifling]

If someone showed me where a kid in my class stole my CC number you'd better believe the forecast calls for a heavy raining of blows to his face.

This kid was stealing CC numbers which is bad enough but to steal work files and fuck with a business' wi-fi is also costing money in man hours alone. Not to mention clean up of this kids "fun". Maybe I'm biased because of the field I'm in but I have such little respect for hackers especially shitty ones that it's not even funny. I work too fucking hard cleaning up their bullshit to not take the opportunity to humiliate one should I have the chance.

I blame the parents, more beatings need to happen and less of this shit would go on.

Again that's just me though.

[SnatchWrangler]

Originally posted by Showal
Give me a break. I agree with Kia, doing any of this is just going to make you look pathetic.

Apparently you don't realize how seriously you can fuck up someone's entire life by stealing/selling their credit information.

I agree, being a minor the police won't do enough, and certainly not to prevent this budding young cyber-thief from doing the same thing in the future.

I'd definately let the highschool kids who's credit card info he'd stolen know about it. Let them make his life a living hell.

We had some kid in highschool, a sophomore when we were seniors. Somehow, he had some connection to some two-bit car thief from Newark. This sophomore would pick out certain cars/SUVs, have his little brother, a frosh, steal the senior's car keys from their backpacks or lockers out of the lockerroom during gym class.

The sophomore would then sell the keys to the two-bit car thief for a couple hundred bucks a piece, and the guy would just drive to the school parking lot during school hours, with the keys, and drive off with the car.

Took two SUVs in one day, a car two days later, and was arrested a week after that while scouting out the school parking lot with a couple sets of car keys on him. He also had a list of a dozen more vehicles they had planned to hit on him.

The sophomore, who was relatively popular at the time, and a pretty tough kid (I played football with him), was generally ostracized, picked on, actually spit on, and pushed around by people much smaller and weaker than him, just because he knew if he even opened his mouth the entire senior and most of the junior class would make his life even worse.

So...my vote is for that...make his life fucking miserable.

[Showal]

But anticor,

It's not like the person telling you is one of your friends at school. It's some random guy coming up to you and your high school friends. I'd be like "fuck off"

[Kainen]

Hold on here.. I didn't see anywhere in this little rant of yours what the family is planning on doing about this. Fucking his family for what the kids done is a perfectly loser move, and to be honest so it killing an innocent animal. The other options (getting him back on a more one on one level by starting rumors ect.) while childish, are better than the other 2 ideas. Mind you I don't advocate what he did or condone it in any way. I personally police what my son does on the computer as closely as I can, but, you can't catch everything. Anyway, before you go spastic on his family, or do shit that can come back on you, you might wanna think a bit on it.

[Makkah]

This whole thing screams "STFU" to me, Tamral.

The fact that he's a minor and managed to do something this elaborate does not bode well at all. A 2 week day-course on CC fraud is not going to have a good outcome on not repeating related actions.

[Meos]

I would send him the link to this thread. That way we could all have fun with him.

[Wezas]

Seriously, his laptop is busted and he's been turned into the police.

WTF you blame all this on the parents? I agree the stealing card numbers and hacking is wrong, but what could the parents have done? He's in a coffee shop on his computer, are they supposed to suspect that he's going to do something like that?

Are you going to blame his curiosity on his parents? Taking his fuck-up out on his cat? "Suggesting" someone drop and step on his laptop? This taking the law into your own hands is bullshit.

He's been dealt with. If you/your company wants to file charges against his parents for the stolen information, then that's one thing. Harassing a minor might screw up any case against him.

[Jadewolff]

I completely agree with what Wezas just said.

[Hulkein]

Hire some 8th graders to throw rocks through his house windows.

This might seem a little off-topic, but the system does a pretty good job of inadequately enforcing laws regarding CC fraud, especially with minors. The fact that kids can download a few progz, play around with a CC generator, start phishing for CCs, up to the act of actually committing a wire fraud is kind of dumb... and bad.

Hiding behind a computer screen, having an ISP not give a shit with respect to these stepping stones in the wrong direction and then having the individual not draw any kind of parallel between, perhaps, stealing an actual credit card inside of a wallet as opposed to stealing it through electronic means is bullshit.

It's a fucked up situation because people are not made into examples enough to deter other people from actively perpetrating the act more so.

[Shalla]

Him being a minor, makes his parents responsible for his actions. It is up to the judge, and I certainly hope he/she makes a good lasting decision that would punish the boy that would change his life for the better. It is not a joke stealing people's credit card and running up their credit. It will literally ruin people's and their families' lives. He needs to be locked up, with no access to computers whatsoever.

[AnticorRifling]

I've seen the movie Hackers he won't be allowed to touch a computer or touch tone phone til he's 18!

[Makkah]

<<I've seen the movie Hackers he won't be allowed to touch a computer or touch tone phone til he's 18! >>

Then he'll save the nation's economy from the "Indian" guy from Short Circuit.

[GSTamral]

Let's say I didn't know what I was doing when I stumbled on to his little thing. Let's say he got some of my files from my laptop and put the confidential things up for public viewing, or better yet, sold them to the competition. Let's say he ran up whatever charges he was running on those credit cards, and more.

1) I could be fired, because those files trace back to me, not to mention have my name and the names of people in my department all over it. Granted, it probably wouldn't hold up, but regardless of the outcome, a perception is created, thus ending my advancement.
2) A lot of people would have to deal with the hassle of potential identity theft and fraudulent charges, some of which would be covered, and some of it may not be. This costs them at the very least, extreme aggravation, pain and suffering.
3) Other personal information obtained regarding other people could turn into absolutely massive hassles for them to deal with both financially and personally.

I'd say he's getting off way too easy with a busted laptop and a slap on the wrist. At the very least, those people in his high school who'se credit card numbers he stole will be not only notified of who did it, but how he did it. I am sure they will be most interested to know, and will probably take matters into their own hands in dealing with him. If the high school is anything like I remember it being, they will take good care of him, and probably will get into minimal trouble because word spreads around town fast about crimes, especially bigger ones like this. It's still page 1 news if so much as a bike gets stolen here, but high school beatings are not uncommon.

Even that is not enough to offset the hassle he was going to cause, and may ALREADY have caused, except people may not know about it yet. Yes, the town will ostracize his family, but being the one who caught him, I do very well want to aid the effort to get scum like that out of town. He deserves to undergo the same misery that he was attempting to unleash on others for his own personal gain, because frankly, his parents are also at fault for not teaching him properly.

Is it right to take the matter out on his cat? No, because the cat did nothing to anyone else. The same nothing that other people did to him before he stole their personal information. Eye for an Eye. Perhaps the cat is cruel, but it is due duty to ensure that skullfucking shitheads like him get whats due to them, no matter what ends up being done in the end.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by GSTamral
I'd say he's getting off way too easy with a busted laptop and a slap on the wrist.Aren't you the guy who calls Greenpeace terrorists?
Eye for an Eye. So you're ok with the kid's friends slashing your tires, right?

[Edited on 5-3-2005 by Latrinsorm]

[Showal]

That's a whole lot of What-Ifs. Go ahead and do what you feel like.

There's also the big what if of the kid being a stupid high schooler seeing what he could do. Changing the network name like that sounds like an inexperienced kid fucking around.

I agree with Wezas. He fucked around, got his computer broken and the cops called.

[Showal]

[/quote]So you're ok with the kid's friends slashing your tires, right?

[Edited on 5-3-2005 by Latrinsorm] [/quote]

Yeah this could turn into a pissing contest real easily.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by GSTamral
I also suggested that another person there accidentally "drop" his laptop and then step on the monitor trying to pick it up, which he did most beautifullly

Wow, that's fucking stupid.

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by GSTamral
don't seem to understand proper procedure when uploading flat files to the mainframe

That's also fucking retarded.
Flat files on a mainframe, lol.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by GSTamral
1) I could be fired, because those files trace back to me, not to mention have my name and the names of people in my department all over it. Granted, it probably wouldn't hold up, but regardless of the outcome, a perception is created, thus ending my advancement.

And it would be partially your fault for being careless. Your fault for using public internet in a coffee shop that can be so easily hacked.


2) A lot of people would have to deal with the hassle of potential identity theft and fraudulent charges, some of which would be covered, and some of it may not be. This costs them at the very least, extreme aggravation, pain and suffering.

This shit happens. If you want to picket outside his house, that's fine. Killing his cat, trespassing on school property to start rumors or cause trouble are not fine.


3) Other personal information obtained regarding other people could turn into absolutely massive hassles for them to deal with both financially and personally.

Which is why the police are involved and why his parents will be held accountable.


I'd say he's getting off way too easy with a busted laptop and a slap on the wrist. At the very least, those people in his high school who'se credit card numbers he stole will be not only notified of who did it, but how he did it. I am sure they will be most interested to know, and will probably take matters into their own hands in dealing with him. If the high school is anything like I remember it being, they will take good care of him, and probably will get into minimal trouble because word spreads around town fast about crimes, especially bigger ones like this. It's still page 1 news if so much as a bike gets stolen here, but high school beatings are not uncommon.

This isn't your place to do so. If the police believe he had used or distributed the card numbers, they will contact the banks and the banks will contact the person involved. They will block and re-issue the card.

If you feel like what you're planning on doing is fair and just, then tell the cops. Inform them of exactly what you're going to do. Let us know what they say. Especially about the cat.


Even that is not enough to offset the hassle he was going to cause, and may ALREADY have caused, except people may not know about it yet. Yes, the town will ostracize his family, but being the one who caught him, I do very well want to aid the effort to get scum like that out of town. He deserves to undergo the same misery that he was attempting to unleash on others for his own personal gain, because frankly, his parents are also at fault for not teaching him properly.

Teaching him properly? Kids are not robots. Kids get into trouble. I'm sure a decent portion of the people on the boards here have downloaded songs or used "cracked" software. OMG Their parents are horrible parents!!!!


Is it right to take the matter out on his cat? No, because the cat did nothing to anyone else. The same nothing that other people did to him before he stole their personal information. Eye for an Eye. Perhaps the cat is cruel, but it is due duty to ensure that skullfucking shitheads like him get whats due to them, no matter what ends up being done in the end.

Stealing identity/CC#'s =! killing family pet.

Eye for an Eye?

You're taking an eye for a hangnail.

[Warriorbird]

Tamral wants to be fearsome.

As far as I'm concerned, stealing credit card numbers is pathetic...but so is over-reacting when it isn't even you credit card number stolen, but things you should've protected from a script kiddie.

[Edited on 5-3-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Apotheosis]

Good for you for catching the situation.

I would most likely inform the police AND the local press.

The local press will do as much as they legally can to point in the direction of who did this, although I think in certain cases, names of minors are not allowed to be published.

[GSTamral]

Not likely he's going to have a chance to slash any tires. His "friends" in high school will not likely take lightly the fact that he stole their credit card information. Whatever people do remain loyal to him will probably spend an equal amount of time stuffed inside a locker, beaten to hell with football helmets, etc.. I can just hope not too many people will stick up for a credit card fraud artist. And if they do, well, more power to them for enduring whatever it is they endure. If he does choose to go out and slash some tires, I will deal with him in whatever manner is appropriate for the situation

[Kainen]

Eye for an eye is not killing an innocent animal you idiot. Man, i tried not to be negative, because I think you are already a dumbass it's been hard.. but you aren't listening. What the FUCK makes you think that you killing his cat will make him stop? If you really think that then you are a bigger dumbass than I thought you were. I agree.. he should get SPANKED instead of just slapped on the wrist. But you are not going to get anywhere killing animals.. cept maybe in jail yourself. As for blaming his parents for not catching him.. thats retarded. It's not like he did the shit right in front of them or said anything to them. This isnt something, as a parent that you could catch easily. Even if you suspected that he was doing it.. it would still be hard to catch. Some parents aren't as computer savy as their kids are.. does that make them bad parents? No. Hell I am strict about what my son does.. and he is still able to get away with stuff i don't like. You are trying to take out your frustrations in places it doesnt belong.. I am sorry that you had your computer jacked into my a lil shithead kid who probably wont be punished properly.. but theres not much you can do about it, and all the stuff you are talking about doing is bullshit and you know it.

[Showal]

<<If you feel like what you're planning on doing is fair and just, then tell the cops. Inform them of exactly what you're going to do. Let us know what they say. Especially about the cat.>>

After you do that, write back here and tell us what they said.

This is a good example of why connecting your personal or especially work computer to a public wi-fi is not a good idea.

[Caiylania]

I agree with Wezas. I understand your anger, identity theft is a serious issue. However, besides the fact that its fucked up, killing family pet, getting him beat up, etc....... all that will do is point back to you and get sympathy on HIS side.

If I heard a news bulletin about a kid stealing CC#'s and being caught by someone in the shop, I'd be like GO TAMRAL woohoo! and then the newscaster follows up a second later saying "tamral then when on to get revenge by running over the kids cat and spreading gay rumors at the school which caused the guy to get the shit beat out of him and is now in the hospital"

well, my anger would turn on you. Not to mention, it would turn into a snowball affect and who knows what would happen to you and your home when his friends found out.

[Showal]

Originally posted by GSTamral
Not likely he's going to have a chance to slash any tires. His "friends" in high school will not likely take lightly the fact that he stole their credit card information. Whatever people do remain loyal to him will probably spend an equal amount of time stuffed inside a locker, beaten to hell with football helmets, etc.. I can just hope not too many people will stick up for a credit card fraud artist. And if they do, well, more power to them for enduring whatever it is they endure. If he does choose to go out and slash some tires, I will deal with him in whatever manner is appropriate for the situation

You act like this is the worst thing that has ever happened to your town ever. The kids in high school aren't likely to do shit because you said this.

I especially like the part of "whatever manner is appropriate" because all the options you've listed are inappropriate. I wouldnt be surprised if you've kind of calmed down from the situation but are continuing to say you're acting rationally and fairly so you dont look foolish.

If you do kill his cat, you should use all the parts of it like the Native Americans did.

[Caiylania]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
If you do kill his cat, you should use all the parts of it like the Native Americans did.

Oiy veh. ::: wags a finger at stanley :::

:D

[Showal]

Or you could do what you want and then make up a fake hotmail email address and email him with "I'm a vagina and had to address my anger indirectly."

I get scorned for being politically correct! : \

[Hulkein]

It is pretty serious.

UPS is like the US, and FedEx is like North Korea...

Could you imagine what would've happened if Tamral's confidential documents were smuggled out and sold to Fed Ex?

[Showal]

Or imagine if someone else realized that people can't properly upload flat files to the mainframe?

[Caiylania]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
I get scorned for being politically correct! :

Actually, you were perfectly correct, I waggled my finger because we are trying to point out his REASONS for killing the cat are wrong.

Now, if the kitty had stolen his files...

[DeV]

Originally posted by GSTamral
3) Advising other kids in his high school to spread a rumor that he is not a heterosexual.
What, you couldn't think of anything worse than this?

Why don't you let the justice system run its course for now. At least give it a chance since you did make the conscience decision to report the kid's criminal activity to the proper authorities already. His laptop is busted up and he's been shamed at least for now.

You're acting like a wounded lover at this point. Be angry, but don't be stupid in the process.

[Showal]

<<You're acting like a wounded lover at this point. Be angry, but don't be stupid in the process.>>

That's a fantastic analogy.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by GSTamral
Not likely he's going to have a chance to slash any tires. His "friends" in high school will not likely take lightly the fact that he stole their credit card information. Whatever people do remain loyal to him will probably spend an equal amount of time stuffed inside a locker, beaten to hell with football helmets, etc.. I can just hope not too many people will stick up for a credit card fraud artist. And if they do, well, more power to them for enduring whatever it is they endure. If he does choose to go out and slash some tires, I will deal with him in whatever manner is appropriate for the situation So that's a no?

[Showal]

I'm rather surprised the police didnt do anything to you "heroes" for busting up his laptop and saying "we did a search on his computer beforehand, here are the CC numbers we got from that search".

[Keller]

What kind of Hollywood scripted high school is this that kids just beat down other kids and stuff them in lockers?

Did ANYONE experience this type of behaviour in high school? I surely did not.

[AnticorRifling]

We used to stuff this one kid in a locker all the time. He was an annoying little bitch that always talked shit so during PE we'd put him in the football lockers (football lockers were in a building closer to the field/track and not attached to the school).

[Shalla]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Tamral wants to be fearsome.

As far as I'm concerned, stealing credit card numbers is pathetic...but so is over-reacting when it isn't even you credit card number stolen, but things you should've protected from a script kiddie.



Give me a break. It's like not feeling bad that people that was killed in the tsunami because you were not directly affected. I am certainly pissed that people like this are out there.. and in fact even commited by minors, and have the capability of ruining someone's life financially and life altogether.. and get away with it. Do you have any idea that today, they can be hacking laptops, and tommorow they can be creating viruses to infect all computers? I don't think you realize or fathom just what people are capable of doing these days. So typical of some people that they will only react to things that directly affects them.

I don't make that much money compared to alot of people, but I donate enough to various charities, that does not necessarily have any connections to me whatsoever.. but because I can relate, and want to make a difference.

God knows, if your friggin computer was hacked and your gemstone character was sold. I bet you would throw a fit.

[Edited on 5-3-2005 by Lady Shalla]

[AnticorRifling]

He doesn't play GS anymore. A tidal wave isn't a good analogy for CC theft. What does donating to charity have to do with this? I'm confused.

[Sean of the Thread]

First how do you know 3 "boys" in highschool and second how do they have credit cards if they are not even 18??

[Sean of the Thread]

Oh and kill the cat just for fun.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Lady Shalla
Give me a break.Two wrongs don't make a right. :)

[Doyle Hargraves]

1) Killing his cat by accidentally running it over with my car. (I assume he has a cat because his desktop has a picture of him holding a cat in a/his living room)

Which would ironically make you a pussy. Anyone that hurts an animal for any reason other than self defense needs to have all of their limbs broken off and be forced to drink broken glass out of Roseanne Barr's asshole.


2) Advising other kids in the local high school to beat the piss out of him, especially since 3 of those credit card numbers were in names of local high school boys that I know of, this is my current top option.

You'd probably be better off informing their parents, since I'm sure they're the ones paying those credit card bills every month.



4) Rally up people to ostracize his family for raising a fuck-up, hopefully leading up to a lawsuit that costs them house and home. (but this would take time and effort I don’t necessarily want to spend)

You have serious problems and should seek help.

I have an idea. Just find him and kick the shit out of him, unless you're afraid he'd whip your ass. Wear a ski mask if you're worried about the fact that he's under 18 and you're not.


I blame the parents, more beatings need to happen and less of this shit would go on.

You can blame that on today's pussywhipped "You can't beat your children cause it will turn them into serial killers." society.

For more details on that subject, click here:

http://maddox.xmission.com/beat.html

Also you should be fired from your job for not taking proper security measures and letting your stuff be hacked so easily by a high school kid in a public wi-fi coffee shop.

[Edited on 5-3-2005 by Doyle Hargraves]

[Edited on 5-4-2005 by peam]

[FinisWolf]

All cats should be killed on sight. Period!

Finiswolf

[Showal]

yeah do us all a favor, just kill the damned cat. I bet it looked all safe in the arms of a computer coffee shop terrorist. It should die for associating with a criminal.

[ElanthianSiren]

So...wait, you guys broke the laptop, potentially destroying the evidence on the harddrive of the CC numbers hacked?

Good job. I assume this is why he's getting a slap on the wrist?

-Melissa

edited to add: Oh yea, killing animals to punish others is retarded. Spreading rumors about homosexuality, as if that's something to be ashamed of, is similiarly retarded.

Also, we don't know if this kid actually used any of the cc numbers; possession of information isn't generally a crime. I think you have to use it first. Now, if he used those numbers, I agree, hang him high. Otherwise, you are treading over a line IMO that makes assumptions about intent. Maybe the kid had a power complex he solved by having other people's cc numbers. We don't know. The cops will/do.

[Edited on Tue, May rd, 2005 by ElanthianSiren]

[Doyle Hargraves]

And then blame it on the cops for not being able to do enough, and subsequently running over their cats as well.

[Shalla]

Originally posted by AnticorRifling
He doesn't play GS anymore. A tidal wave isn't a good analogy for CC theft. What does donating to charity have to do with this? I'm confused.

I don't even know, I'm sick so not thinking straight. It's not a good analogy, but I suppose what I'm trying to say is that something may not directly affect us, doesn't mean we don't have to do anything about it. Because warriorbird did say it's over-reacting since it's not our credit card. I am outraged that it was done by a minor, and he probably wouldn't even be punished for it.

[ElanthianSiren]

Originally posted by Lady Shalla

I am outraged that it was done by a minor, and he probably wouldn't even be punished for it.

I'd be more outraged if it was done by an adult, and they never learned a lesson. I'm sure this kid had a fun time with the cops and explaining to mummy and daddy. Oh yah, also, what parent lets their highschool kid out at 10 pm on a monday night?

Hacking is a phase kids go through today because it's sooooooooo cooooool. Blech. We don't even know if he used any of those numbers or had intent to use them. Hell, we don't even know if they were really legit CC numbers since some doofus broke the computer and stomped on it.

-Melissa

[Showal]

Anticor and Lady Shalla should settle their differences by running over each other's cat.

[Showal]

I'm going to throw my computer on the ground and stomp on the screen because when I was 12 I got kicked off AOL for hacking into a few people's accounts. I didnt do anything in the accounts, just found out if i could do it. I'm probably going to run over my ferrets too. Lord knows I could use the lesson.

[Showal]

Oh, and I'm going to shame myself by telling the people at work that I'm not heterosexual and then shove myself in a filing cabinet.

[Warriorbird]

Some of the engineers that Tamral glorifies probably got up to similar things when they were younger.

[Showal]

Dont let him know that. He'll probably run over their cats.

[ElanthianSiren]

:lol: showal

Please donate your ferrets here before you tire tread them.

A ferret is a terrible thing to waste :D

-Melissa

[Showal]

I can't just give them up. I won't learn my lesson that way.

I'll be back after I dump my fish tank outside to kill all my fish and learn a lesson.

I wouldn't do 2 or 3 as they will undoubtedly backfire on you and I could really go without the thead of you bitching about being ridiculed by 16 year olds.

Originally posted by Keller
What kind of Hollywood scripted high school is this that kids just beat down other kids and stuff them in lockers?

Did ANYONE experience this type of behaviour in high school? I surely did not.

No, but in my high school there were several shootings and numerous gang related jumpings.

[Showal]

and bricks to the head if you dress like a girl

[Artha]

Atleast it was exciting.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<So...wait, you guys broke the laptop, potentially destroying the evidence on the harddrive of the CC numbers hacked?

Good job. I assume this is why he's getting a slap on the wrist?>>

Uh oh, a hard drive is not contained in the screen of a laptop!!

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Also, we don't know if this kid actually used any of the cc numbers; possession of information isn't generally a crime.>>

Hacking someone in order to steal credit card numbers is very much a crime.

[Back]

If some kid can hack your computer, you’re a dumbass.

Roll over their cat? Yeah, that’ll stop hackers. And put you on the “bad” karma train.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Hacking someone in order to steal credit card numbers is very much a crime.

So are most of the things on Tamral's revenge list.

Including killing animals and trespassing on school property.

Like I said - if the cops say it's ok to do those things, have at it. If not, then he's taking the law into his own hands which is very much against the law.

[Back]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
Hacking someone in order to steal credit card numbers is very much a crime.

Federal. Which means if its a first offense, Misdemeanor, with a much lighter penalty. But on your record for life once you get printed.

Second offense? You are looking at hard jail time.

Having a computer is a responsibility. Most kids whose mother and/or father can provide this luxury to them without any insight into the RIGHTS and WRONGS of this responsibility are taking a serious gamble.

Preventive steps to curb these actions doesn't start with the most high-tech parental control features that your ISP provides: If the kid is going to be crafty enough to gain access to other people's CC#'s like described in Tamral's post, they will know how to get past a few minute barriers as well.

When I was a kid in school, I knew a bunch of kids who would be all Oohs and Aahs if I told them about how "badass" I was because I carded online. Then again, if I were to tell one of these individuals that I stole someone's purse and was using their router codes to make direct withdrawals from their bank account, I would have probably gotten a "Holy shit man, the fuck is wrong with you," face...

A big issue here is that a serious problem exists with today's kids regarding an over-distinction with respect to the matter I've just elaborated on. Both are federal offenses and by no means should either one be more acceptable.

In my humble opinion, children will rarely rob an armored car as an introductory phase into criminal activity. Before the proverbial shit hits the fan, the road to crime will be paved with a bunch of superficial and trivial technicalities. It is especially problematic when society malfunctions in this fashion because the education system has not introduced teaching a greater spectrum of rights from wrongs in the school system.

If there's anything that children love to do, it's rationalize. The fact that the youth is so perverted in their thinking that they somehow can justify federal illegalities like this is seriously fucked up. The best short-term plan for dealing with cases such as these are not through a plethora of mitigating factors that will just postpone the inevitable. The only way to ameliorate the issue for now is by seriously cracking down on people who choose to operate in this illegal fashion and make examples out of them.

[Back]

Or come up with drugs to anesthetize them. Like religion or consumerism.

What I've stated is not a personal prerogative.

I'm going to make a generalization and say that it is probably likely that a good percentage of these crimes are NOT carried out by people because if they don't commit the act, then they won't have enough money to afford food and shelter.

The fact that people find amusement in participating within the boundaries of these activities clearly tells us that something is very, very wrong and that a lot of priorities need to be re-assessed.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Backlash
Or come up with drugs to anesthetize them. Like religion or consumerism. Or that communism thing. That gets the proletariat every time.

[Syberus]

Dude Stanely you pwn

[Back]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by Backlash
Or come up with drugs to anesthetize them. Like religion or consumerism. Or that communism thing. That gets the proletariat every time.

The proletariat are you and me. The people who really make this world what it is. You like it that a few people ride on the backs of others? Would Jesus like it?

Who did Jesus wail on? One guess.


Aaaand I’m waaaaay off topic. Sorry, had to respond.


Hackers rule the world? Last I checked, they didn’t.


[edit for Tuesday night]

[Edited on 5-4-2005 by Backlash]

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Backlash
You like it that a few people ride on the backs of others?You mean like the Politburo or the Gang of 4? :)
Who did Jesus wail on?Among many, many others, people who said "an eye for an eye".

[peam]

Sounds like a finely ENGINEERED plan, Tamral.

[Back]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by Backlash
You like it that a few people ride on the backs of others?
You mean like the Politburo or the Gang of 4? :)

Nope, and I can tell you don’t either.


Who did Jesus wail on?Among many, many others, people who said "an eye for an eye".

WRONG! It was the money-lenders. Famous story. Check it out.

[ElanthianSiren]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol

Hacking someone in order to steal credit card numbers is very much a crime.

Uh oh, a hard drive is not contained in the screen of a laptop!!


No, but I thought he said that they dropped the entire laptop on the floor. My question was if they broke the harddrive in the process. My ex completely shattered his entire processor and rendered the harddrive useless while moving doing something similiar -- though that was on concrete.

I was trying to figure out if they had destroyed the very evidence the police would want to use with that stunt.

Also, I was asking if the vigilanties could even confirm, which they couldn't unless the cards directly belonged to them, that the numbers this kid had were real cc numbers. The initial post ASSUMES imo that the cc numbers were obtained in that coffee shop, but we don't know this. Tamral mentions the kid potentially could have read some sensitive UPS docs. It doesn't mean he got into Tamral's credit information.

I'll confess to skimming the thread, but what Tamral said sounded more like the kid had obtained/generated the numbers at a date other than the one in the coffee shop, regardless of whose name he/she assigned to them.

-Melissa

edited to add that from Tamral's secondary deterrants -- the kid only got a slap on the wrist? I'm assuming that some part of the evidence didn't add up, or is it only Tamral's fear that the kid will get a slap on the wrist, so we plan to skip due process?

[Edited on Wed, May th, 2005 by ElanthianSiren]

[GSTamral]

Well I can state now that the issue has been resolved. I will try to address some of the questions people had regarding the matter in the process.

Q) Did I run over his cat?
A) No. But I may in order to prevent it from being really tortured.

Q) Was his laptop destroyed?
A) No, but his LCD screen is in very bad shape, with a couple of significant spiderleg cracks and one diagonal crack that makes about 1/8 of the screen unviewable..

Q) How do I know the names of kids in the high school?
A) When you grow up and live in a town of less than 2,500 people, where 6 affluent townships together comprise a mid-size regional high school, you get to know families and people rather quickly just from general daily activities.

Q) How did I know whose credit card numbers they were?
A) Because he was not very good at hiding it. A text file on his laptop contained the CC number, name, expiration date, and the verification number for a few of them as well. As was found out from later discussion, some of these numbers were used, and at least 2 of those cards were already cancelled.

Q) Did he get everyone's credit card information at the coffee shop?
A) No. Only one person who was there at the time had his number stolen. If there were others who had numbers taken that night, they were already there. Based on information I received from one of the high school kids whose number was there, he had been at this for a period of at least 3 months. At least in that one situation, a charge was made, and a person had to get a new credit card.

Q) How badly is he going to suffer?
A) That depends entirely upon the the three kids who's card numbers he stole. I made it a point to inform them first, and left it up them to report the matter to their parents. The investigation on the part of authorities is still taking place. As expected, he is not in jail or a detention center, and was back in school yesterday. It turns out he is a geeky little benchwarmer on the lacrosse team, and all 3 of the boys whose numbers he stole are on the team as well. Turns out he doesn't have many friends either. Based on the general discussion I had with two of them, there isn't much I can do that would be anything remotely close to what they have in store for him, especially given one of them got into quite a bit of trouble regarding the credit card mess. It will suffice to say that the days of stuffing people into a locker and shocking them with a Van Der Graff generator are long gone and replaced by things that I didn't think would even be acceptable during hazing. I do somewhat regret letting them know about the possibility of running over his cat, because they have something far worse in stock for the animal. But I don't feel sorry for him. He deserves whatever he gets, as he brought it upon himself. My hands, however, are clean of this as of yesterday evening, having done nothing but done my civic duty of informing the people who were wronged of what happened and who did it to them.

Q) Are his parents involved at all in any of this?
A) They are aware that he did something wrong. I have no idea if anyone else spoke to/threatened them, or informed them formally of what was going on. Based on my own discussions, it would seem it would be in their best interests to move. I have no plans on speaking to them or dealing with them.

Q) Will there be any more follow up on the matter on my end?
A) No. I am scheduled to do a small interview in the local paper regarding the incident, during which I will let my feelings regarding him and his lack of parental supervision and guidance known, but unless I read about how someone beat him to death for being a jackass in the paper, I don’t intend on dealing with him any further.

Q) What if he or his friends try to slash my tires?
A) He doesn’t have many friends, and those who once did call him friend may be hesitant to do so knowing the social situation it will put them in for the remainder of their high school years. If he attempts to do it personally, I will deal with the matter accordingly.

[Showal]

You sound like a real tough guy. Like seriously, I wouldnt want to mess with you. I'm sure that's the response you wanted to hear.

[StrayRogue]

Just to add that to erradicate the info on a harddrive is very, very, very difficult externally by anything less than complete destruction. Companies exist to retrieve lost date from fires and such from near destroyed HD's. Costs like $200 per gb though.

[Keller]

Oh my fucking god. I guess I am glad I grew up in a city and not in a small town. I like that we had murderers and rapists to get the real dirty looks allowing the kids who fucked up to redeem themselves without losing their friends too.

To be sure I think you're recollection of the things that are going to happen to this kid are total bullshit in an attempt to continue your attention whoring about a situation that was really not a big deal. But suffice to say that even if everything you've spouted is true, I think your town sucks balls. Seriously, everyone there needs to take their noses out of each others business and get on with their lives. That is, of course, going on the highly unlikely supposition that what you've said is all true.

Before you respond, let me say this: This douche is a criminal. He is not the kind of kid that I want to be friends with. I'm sure his teammates will do some repugnant things to him, and perhaps his cat. He deserves an ass-whooping. But to say his friends will be austracized for being his friend is insane. That his parents will be forced to move because their son hacked some CC numbers? Good fucking lord. Emmitt Tills grandparents never moved, even after they found their grandsons body water-logged, beaten, mutilated, and tied to farm equipment at the bottom of a river.

[Keller]

Originally posted by Showal
You sound like a real tough guy. Like seriously, I wouldnt want to mess with you. I'm sure that's the response you wanted to hear.

Or I could have just written that -- and saved myself some time.

Well said, Showal.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by GSTamral
My hands, however, are clean of this as of yesterday evening, having done nothing but done my civic duty of informing the people who were wronged of what happened and who did it to them.Nice try Pontious Pilate. Your hands have that cat's blood all over them.
Originally posted by Backlash
WRONG! It was the money-lenders. Famous story. Check it out. Do you mean the money-changers? I assumed you meant "wail on" poetically, Jesus never threw down with anyone.

[Kainen]

OMG!! I actually agree with Keller. Tamral.. nevermind, anything I want to say to you has already been said.

[Showal]

<<Nice try Pontious Pilate. Your hands have that cat's blood all over them.>>

haha I love the part about "I do regret bringing up such and such" because of what will happen to the cat. I didnt think the angry husband would beat his wife ... I just told him that she was cheating on him.

Yeah I know, bad analogy ... but every action has a consequence. You give angry people an idea and they'll take it on as their own. You hinted at them that hurting the cat would be a good idea, but now you're surprised they have other ideas for the cat. You're just as guilty as them for anything that happens.

I agree with Keller ... your town sucks.

[Showal]

<<Do you mean the money-changers? I assumed you meant "wail on" poetically, Jesus never threw down with anyone.>>

There's a great story of Jesus flipping out on the merchants at the temple where he overturns tables and yells and stuff. I dont think he "threw down" with them though.

[GSTamral]

The word is ostracize, not austracize, Mr. Mensa.

[Warriorbird]

Gosh, Tamral. You sound like a liberal arts major.

[Showal]

He sounds like a wimp.

Solutions to his problems:

1. Take out my aggression on his cat. <- indirect and probably wont be llinked back to me.
2+3. Have other kids take out my aggression on him. <- I dont have to confront him again myself.
4. Have the town take out my aggression on his family. <- Once again, I dont have to confront this myself.

If you're such a tough guy, go kick his ass yourself.

[Showal]

Oh yeah, and he's changed number 1 so other people will take out his aggression on the cat. Once again...

[GSTamral]

<<<<
He sounds like a wimp.

Solutions to his problems:

1. Take out my aggression on his cat. <- indirect and probably wont be llinked back to me.
2+3. Have other kids take out my aggression on him. <- I dont have to confront him again myself.
4. Have the town take out my aggression on his family. <- Once again, I dont have to confront this myself.

If you're such a tough guy, go kick his ass yourself.
>>>

I never said anything about being a tough guy. That is your own conclusion based on your personal point of view. It is much more true to justice if the people he wronged have the opportunity to deal with him themselves. If they want to sit down and talk to him over dinner, it’s their choice. If they want to beat him to a pulp, also their decision, not mine. I won’t stand in the way of either solution. As for his cat, people should think about the people and things they love before they act in such a way. It is unfortunate what will happen to the cat should the others follow through with what they said, but again, that is their own choice.

Just as you so avidly pointed out as to who am I to tell his parents how to raise their son, who am I to tell people how to react when someone steals their credit card? Just as he can think for himself when he chose to hack, so can the people he stole from. That the cat may/will suffer more than him is unfortunate, however, this has become his and the cat’s problem to deal with at this time.

The crime rate in the town is extremely low because word gets around town fast, and people have the tendency to know what is going on. People here are informed, simply because the town is small enough for everyone to at least know of most everyone else.

You think it is a tough guy response wanting justice to be served when someone steals from you. You must think its some sort of joke to get your identity stolen, and that its always the person’s fault. You must find some sort of sick pleasure in knowing people who are victims of identity theft or credit card fraud usually don’t get back anywhere near what was stolen from them, and get put through some incredible hassles. The system exists to serve people who follow the law. It does this by punishing those who don’t.

Somewhere in this mix, someone decided the judicial system should serve the criminals and make sure they aren’t punished badly, and if they’ve already spent someone else’s money, don’t have to pay back money they don’t have anymore. So partial payments are made, and we all get to spend more money on insurance.

As for Melissa, considering you’ve stated that it would be in your right to shoot a certain someone on the spot if he so much as showed up on your doorstep, regardless of the law, I can only say that I cannot regard anything you say regarding vigilantism seriously.

If what few friends he has want to stick up for him, let them. At the very least, it will set in motion a brand new dynamic in his life that he doesn’t want to deal with. He just thought he could get away with it. His penalty would be nothing more than a fine to his parents and a short period of rehabilitation. His high school can only take steps to ensure he does not go online for the remainder of his tenure at the school. The people he stole from would never know who he was, because his name is protected. As far as I can tell, that is getting away with it red-handed. Fuck that. And Fuck anyone else for thinking he should.

[Showal]

<<If they want to sit down and talk to him over dinner, it’s their choice. If they want to beat him to a pulp, also their decision, not mine.>>

<<As for his cat, people should think about the people and things they love before they act in such a way. It is unfortunate what will happen to the cat should the others follow through with what they said, but again, that is their own choice.>>

Quit playing devil's advocate.

<<That the cat may/will suffer more than him is unfortunate, however, this has become his and the cat’s problem to deal with at this time. >>

That's bullshit.

<<Somewhere in this mix, someone decided the judicial system should serve the criminals and make sure they aren’t punished badly, and if they’ve already spent someone else’s money, don’t have to pay back money they don’t have anymore. So partial payments are made, and we all get to spend more money on insurance.>>

Credit cards have protection plans to deal with these cases. My mother's CC got charged with 1500 dollars that she didnt make. She didnt pay a cent. A girl I work with got charged 3200 dollars. She didnt pay a cent. I'm not saying it's right, but I doubt these people have paid a cent for what they've lost.

<<At the very least, it will set in motion a brand new dynamic in his life that he doesn’t want to deal with.>>

You keep acting like this is the worse thing that has happened in your town. My friend got mugged by 5 people for his wallet. He got away but I didnt take it upon myself to find and ruin the life of these kids. I think my friend getting mugged and having a gun pulled out on him was worse than your situation. His life was put in danger and he let the police deal with it. Your friends could have potentially gotten a high CC bill and dealt with it in a single phone call.

[GSTamral]

<<<
You keep acting like this is the worse thing that has happened in your town.
>>>

Oh but it is. At least in the last 25 years or so. As I said before, 11 years ago, a kid has his bike stolen at the local middle school, and it was front page news in the local paper.

[Showal]

Then your town needs to keep their nose out of everyone else's business and not make things a bigger deal than they are.

[Delirium]

If things really do get around about everyone the kid will probably find you it was your idea about hurting the cat. If it was me, id be a tough guy right back and burn your house down or pay someone else to do it so my hands would be "clean" too. Nothing wrong with thinking of evil revenge plots but you made the mistake of giving the idea to a bunch of teenagers. Im assuming you have no pets and never have had one? If youve had one, thats about as sad a statement about you then some bored kid doing dumb illegal stuff. Whos the adult here?

I never said anything about being a tough guy

^

At least not in this thread Mr Expert Martial Arts Striker.

That the cat may/will suffer more than him is unfortunate, however, this has become his and the cat’s problem to deal with at this time

^^

:wow:

[Doyle Hargraves]

I do somewhat regret letting them know about the possibility of running over his cat, because they have something far worse in stock for the animal.

This translates to "I'm just a little punk that's incapable of actually doing anything myself, so I instead I take the hypocritical approach and try to instigate it via a group of dumb teenagers that could probably whip my ass any day of the week."


That the cat may/will suffer more than him is unfortunate, however, this has become his and the cat’s problem to deal with at this time.

You killed me in GS once, now I'm going to kill your mother via a group of disturbed teenagers, because that will make my hands "clean"."

BTW your town sucks. Even in Mayberry, a stolen bike wouldn't make front page. And since word gets around so fast, then whatever you claim is going to happen to the cat will cause a much bigger uproar in your little Utopiaville town than some little geek stealing numbers. And with word spreading so fast about everything, that's going to trace back to you, even if it was these teenagers that did it since you're parading the fact that you gave them the idea. I'm sure that when they get busted for it, the first thing they'll do is point the finger at you. Then you'll have to move away too.


As I said before, 11 years ago, a kid has his bike stolen at the local middle school, and it was front page news in the local paper.

What's on the front page of today's paper? I'll take a guess, but please correct me if I'm wrong:

"Local nerd initiates vigilante crusade against teenage high school evilnerd hacker wannabes and their cats!"

Then after reading that, you'll spend the rest of the day in your bedroom creating your new superhero outfit, with a 01101101 logo on the chest.

Personally I think you're full of shit and just being an attention whore and trying not to look stupid. Not only have you managed to make yourself look stupid, you've also shown everybody here just how much of a pussy you are in RL. The funny part is you seem to truly believe you're acting like a man in this situation.

The logic of "The worst kind of idiot is the one that doesn't realize he's an idiot" or however it goes applies here.

You sir, make Haashek look like Commando compared to you in the manliness department.

Might I suggest getting a life and growing yourself a pair of balls?

[Edited on 5-4-2005 by Tamral's Cat]

[Edited on 5-4-2005 by Doyle Hargraves]

[Showal]

<<As I said before, 11 years ago, a kid has his bike stolen at the local middle school, and it was front page news in the local paper.>>

If you remember such an insignificant front page from 11 years ago, chances are Doyle's right ... the cat killing incident and the beatings this kid that we're assured by yourself will happen and the kid's loss of friends (that you once again assure us will happen) will also make front page.:drool:

Once again Tamral proves himself a retard

[Showal]

:drool:

That's how I feel when I read Tamral's responses. I feel like I'm talking to an angry teenager that talks all sorts of trash but won't do anything. The type of kid that picks up a single line that sounds like a good threat like "I'll kick your teeth in" and repeats it all the time but wouldnt get in a fight to save his life.

If you're town's so pathetic, chances are your high school friends are too pathetic to make good on their threats to this kid, his cat, anyone. I would bet nothing's going to happen to him but you'll feel proud because you think you accomplished something for the greater good.

[Delirium]

I'll kick your teeth in.

[Doyle Hargraves]

I'll kick your cat's teeth in.

[Warriorbird]

A certain Nietzche quote comes to mind, but some of us wouldn't appreciate that. Not everyone can be a liberal arts major. Not everyone can trouble themselves to think about real morality... the kind that matters, the kind that sticks in your gut... the kind that means something.

That's what real Christianity is about. Then again, that's pretty damn rare too.

[Delirium]

Ill find some teenage cats to kick your cats ass.

[Showal]

I'll get some kids to kick the hacker's teeth in after I find out from kids at his high school that he's gay, i mean not heterosexual.

[Back]

Jesus wouldn’t hack a cats ass.

[Showal]

You should try to lie Pinocchio, you might get away with it.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by RangerD1
I never said anything about being a tough guy

^

At least not in this thread Mr Expert Martial Arts Striker.

Don't forget the roommate him and his other roommates picked on and beat up.

Duke is a pretty rough school though.

[ElanthianSiren]

Oh okay, cool. If they have the burden of proof, as Tamral asserts, I don't see a problem at all with letting the authorities handle the situation. I stand corrected, didn't see all that in the thread. Sounds like the kid is going to get what's coming to him.

I still think the idea of killing the cat is stupid though and shows a definite disrespect for life. Seriously, I'd put my ferret's head over some humans I've met. If anyone ever hurts one of my animals, they will find themselves in a world of pain. Maybe teenage guys who hack CCs don't think the same ... in which case, what's the point? To prove it's wrong to hurt people, you're going to hurt someone. -Only seems like a way to breed aggression to me.

-Melissa

[GSTamral]

<<
You killed me in GS once, now I'm going to kill your mother via a group of disturbed teenagers, because that will make my hands "clean"."
>>

Excellent analogy. Comparing a GS death to credit card fraud. I think we found out everything anyone needs to know about your comparative skills and intelligence at this point in time.

[Doyle Hargraves]

No, I'm comparing it to killing someone's cat over credit card fraud, dumbass.

I think we found out everything anyone needs to know about your comparative skills and intelligence at this point in time.

As well as the size (or lack of) of your testicles.

[Edited on 5-4-2005 by Doyle Hargraves]

[GSTamral]

<<
Don't forget the roommate him and his other roommates picked on and beat up.

Duke is a pretty rough school though.

>>>

Eh, not really a tough school. Not a whole lot really happens on campus. Granted Durham isn't the nicest of places, but the only incident I was ever a part of ended when some "RangerD rulz thugs" realized there were many more of us than them and decided to back down after one of them was knocked down with a sucker punch, ending the matter with nothing more of consequence. I'm not averse to using physical force personally if its warranted. I also see nothing wrong with the people he stole from putting him in his place however they see fit.

As for having a pet, I had a dog for 17 years. I know exactly what it feels like to lose a pet, because I had to make the decision myself to put him to sleep. I also never stole people's credit card numbers. To a degree, I feel sorry for the cat if they choose to go through with their plans. I don't feel sorry for him.

Hey Ranger,

Let's say someone stole money from one of the super cool druglord gang leaders that helped your mom pay rent. Wanna try and explain what they did about the situation? If anything, they were worse, and you defended them for those actions. So drink yourself a nice tall glass of STFU and go follow some orders.

[Doyle Hargraves]

As for having a pet, I had a dog for 17 years. I know exactly what it feels like to lose a pet, because I had to make the decision myself to put him to sleep. I also never stole people's credit card numbers. To a degree, I feel sorry for the cat if they choose to go through with their plans. I don't feel sorry for him.

So what you're saying is that if you stole someone's credit card numbers, they should kill your dog?

Hey Tamral,

They certainly wouldn't kill his cat. So please stop being so ovetly asexual.

[Delirium]

You might not have stolen cc #'s but you must have made foolish mistakes somewhere growing up. What if during one of those mistakes someone targeted your dog? Ive only had my cat for 5 years or so and if someone did anything to her id go beserk and everyone involved would pay. Id rather they steal my car and kick my ass than to touch my loved pet.

[Jorddyn]

Originally posted by GSTamral
Let's say someone stole money from one of the super cool druglord gang leaders that helped your mom pay rent. Wanna try and explain what they did about the situation? If anything, they were worse, and you defended them for those actions. So drink yourself a nice tall glass of STFU and go follow some orders.

I really don't want to live in a society where the rules are "The drug lords did it so I can, too."

Jorddyn, weird like that

[Doyle Hargraves]

Agreed. I got in trouble once in 8th grade for getting caught making prank phonecalls to some dork from school. If he killed my dog over it, I'd probably be serving a life sentence for murder right now.

<--- Would kill a human before killing a pet (but would prefer to do neither)

Tamral is just mad because he got punked out as a kid and now as an adult hes still a bitch.

[Doyle Hargraves]

Shut up and go follow some orders RangerD1 so that Tamral can continue to eat donuts and cheese whiz and rid the world of credit card hackers without fear of terrorists bombing his quaint little town.

[Jorddyn]

You know, there's this old guy who has a cabin in the same development as ours. He typically sits out on his deck and yells "SLOW DOWN!" at anyone going over 5-10 mph. If they're going fast enough, he'll call the police on them. He's annoying as hell, but most people (especially those who own places there) actually do slow down when he yells. He adds personality to the neighborhood.

Were he to instead throw rocks at the cars, chase the people, insult their mothers, kick them in the nuts, and mangle their pets, I doubt he'd get the same reaction.

Just sayin'.

Jorddyn

[Tsa`ah]

So let me get this straight.

You were able to pinpoint said hacker because of the network name "Angolo" and the printer name.

Hmm ... Wish I had hacker radar.

Though it has been pointed out; you suck at computers. There is no reason why this "situation" should have happened, especially considering the "sensitive" work related data contained on your laptop.

Firewall ... use it.

Aside from that, learn to live with the size of your penis and quit overcompensating.

So basicly what you're saying Jorddyn and correct me if I'm wrong, is that Tamral wouldn't have ths problems he does if he wasn't so retarded and socially inept?

[Doyle Hargraves]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
So let me get this straight.

You were able to pinpoint said hacker because of the network name "Angolo" and the printer name.

Hmm ... Wish I had hacker radar.

Though it has been pointed out; you suck at computers. There is no reason why this "situation" should have happened, especially considering the "sensitive" work related data contained on your laptop.

Firewall ... use it.

Aside from that, learn to live with the size of your penis and quit overcompensating.

Since Arkans has been having computer problems, I will be filling in for him in his absence.

FUCKING PWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!1111111111111111111111111111

[Caiylania]

Originally posted by Doyle Hargraves
Shut up and go follow some orders RangerD1 so that Tamral can continue to eat donuts and cheese whiz and rid the world of credit card hackers without fear of terrorists bombing his quaint little town.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

So true.

[Jorddyn]

Originally posted by RangerD1
So basicly what you're saying Jorddyn and correct me if I'm wrong, is that Tamral wouldn't have ths problems he does if he wasn't so retarded and socially inept?

Very close! He'd still have the problem of the hacker now matter how... "socially ept" he was.

I'm saying that his plan to run over a cat and hit up some teenagers to beat up this kid is ridiculous, crossing the line, out of bounds, and idiotic, and will likely cause him future problems. So I guess, yes, he could prevent future problems by not using an uzi to kill ants.

Jorddyn, yes I know "ept" is not a word

[Hulkein]

I was kidding about Duke the school being rough.

The surrounding area, I don't know it, never been to Durham.

brnw3d!!!

[Keller]

Originally posted by GSTamral
The word is ostracize, not austracize, Mr. Mensa.

Excuse me for placing a dipthong in place of a single vowel in my lapse of phonetic judgment. Also excuse me for not being anal and spell-checking my posts.

If you're trying to prove I am a poor speller -- Rhett's got that role locked-down. You need to be more consistent about it if you don't want to seem like a wounded dog.

I understand that you think the kid deserves more than a slap on the wrist from the authorities. So do I. That doesn't excuse becoming a vigilante. I don't expect that 16 year old kids whose parents had to pay for this hackers shenanigans will think rationally about the situation and I guess it wouldn't be unheard of for them to give him a nice pummeling.

However, I would never excuse you acting like you originally intended/considered. Being in the same coffeehouse and him possibly having access to some private documents he might or might not be able to use doesn't quite seem similar in the severity of personal loss.

I think a better solution to your angst might have been writting a letter to the paper/congress man about how you think the hacker and/or his guardians should be held liable for the fraud. That would have actually been productive and made you look like 1/10th the ass.

PS - I didn't spell check; edit away.

[Showal]

<As for having a pet, I had a dog for 17 years. I know exactly what it feels like to lose a pet, because I had to make the decision myself to put him to sleep. I also never stole people's credit card numbers. To a degree, I feel sorry for the cat if they choose to go through with their plans. I don't feel sorry for him.>

I imagine you stole at some point from a store as a stupid naive kid. I wish the store owner hunted you down and raped your mom and cut off your dogs legs...all in front of you. Personal and private justice, the punishment is almost garunteed to be worse than the crime.

What I've gotten from this post ... Tamral is an overly dramatic pussy. He cant confront his own problems directly but still feels like he has to in other ways.

<<To a degree, I feel sorry for the cat if they choose to go through with their plans. I don't feel sorry for him.>>

He couldnt do anything to the cat by himself so he got other people to do it. He didnt want to be immediately guilty, so he hinted and now claims he feels guilty, to a degree. He's directly responsible for what happens to the cat. Backlash is right, he's going to work wonders for his own karma.

This is when you hear Tamral posting a month from now about how his car got a bad hit and run in a parking lot and how he has to pay 3 grand to fix up his car ... or how he got fired from work for "nothing at all" (which we'd probably hear) or because of this kid. I'll be the first to post in response with probably this face ;) or this face :P .

I hope when he has kids, he gets arrested for his kid doing something similar or he loses one of his pets for it.

[peam]

Originally posted by RangerD1
brnw3d!!!

:lol::lol::lol:

[Showal]

I dont spell check either. I left a big one in there for you. Edit away Duke boy.

[Edited on 5-4-2005 by Showal]

[HarmNone]

>>...It is much more true to justice if the people he wronged have the opportunity to deal with him themselves. If they want to sit down and talk to him over dinner, it’s their choice. If they want to beat him to a pulp, also their decision, not mine. I won’t stand in the way of either solution. As for his cat, people should think about the people and things they love before they act in such a way. It is unfortunate what will happen to the cat should the others follow through with what they said, but again, that is their own choice. <<

In the above paragraph, your opening sentence mentions justice, Tamral. Where, in the punishment of the innocent for the crimes of the guilty, do you find justice? The fact that you can draw a connection between those two concepts is ludicrous, if not repulsive. Frankly, I have to wonder if you have any moral standards at all, much less a sense of justice. :wow:

[Showal]

My girlfriend asked too many questions yesterday ... I killed her cats.

That's justice.

[Showal]

ok my girlfriend got mad that I said it. So I'll take it back. Later I'll kill her cats and slash her tires for embarrassing me on the boards. Did I spell that wrong, Tamral? Correct me, Duke boy.

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by HarmNone
The fact that you can draw a connection between those two concepts is ludicrous, if not repulsive. Frankly, I have to wonder if you have any moral standards at all, much less a sense of justice.

One word: contemptible.

Though not surprising. Okay, I lied. That was more than one word. Deal.

Raven

It's amazing how the PC can come together and BR3WN!!! Tamral. The only other person to have this effect has been Klaive.

[Showal]

<3 PC

[Keller]

Originally posted by RangerD1
It's amazing how the PC can come together and BR3WN!!! Tamral. The only other person to have this effect has been Klaive.

Jenovadeath has got to be grateful at least.

[HarmNone]

I think most of the posters here are pretty darn good people, Ranger. What Tamral proposed as punishment for some highschool kid he suspects of hacking is, as Raven said, contemptible. For someone to whom punishing the innocent to get back at the guilty is within reason, I can muster nothing above revulsion. Looks like most people feel, pretty much, the same way.

[Skirmisher]

Tamral, no one is telling you to not feel anger at this idiot or to not try to ensure that any and all legal forms of recourse are followed up, but it is the level of your anger that is in need of tempering.

Heck, I was all with you in calling the police and even in the "mistaken breakage" of his computer, but the talk of retribution upon his pets and family, in essence almost a blood vendetta just seemed like something out of a bad movie.

I'm sure that letting the more cutting posts made here go and taking a little time to reflect on this incident and its overal impact on your life will allow you to see your overreaction for just that.

It's not a big deal or even abnormal to have such outrage and a momentary desire for revenge, but after a time a more rational head should prevail and say that yes you were just feeling the heat of the moment and thats all.

I'm sure you have much more important things in your life and career in which to invest your time and energies.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

If someone tortured/hurt/killed any of my animals intentionally... well I'd just have to go kill them.

Cause I'd be dealing with it as the situation demands.

Seriously. I'd kill them.

Like, dead.

Bill Munny: Hell of a thing, killin' a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Oh, then I'd go kill their parents, children, neighbors... and I'd burn their houses to the ground.

As the situation demands.

[Skirmisher]

Do not mess with SHM's animals........check.

[Hulkein]

wtf is br3wn?

Edit - Thanks for letting me know bro, that's pretty damn funny.

[Edited on 5-4-2005 by Hulkein]

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Originally posted by GSTamral

Eh, not really a tough school. Not a whole lot really happens on campus. Granted Durham isn't the nicest of places, but the only incident I was ever a part of ended when some "RangerD rulz thugs" realized there were many more of us than them and decided to back down after one of them was knocked down with a sucker punch, ending the matter with nothing more of consequence. I'm not averse to using physical force personally if its warranted. I also see nothing wrong with the people he stole from putting him in his place however they see fit.



Soooooo... you are a tough guy so long as you have "many more of us" odds, and you can sucker punch someone without consequence?

Those are your own words. You are a pussy.

Pussy.

My hands are clean by the way, because I used your own words against you. No repercussions here, just like your telling some adolescents to go torture a cat.

And sorry for calling you a pussy. It should be, Pussy with bad fucking logic.

There, now they are clean again. Whew, I was worried there that I maybe wasn't achieving karmic zen, but now that I explained how I was just using your own fucked up logic against you, I'm back in harmony.

We should hug. But I don't hug pussies with fucked up logic.

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
Oh, then I'd go kill their parents, children, neighbors... and I'd burn their houses to the ground.

And call them gay. You left that out.

Raven

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Originally posted by Ravenstorm

Originally posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
Oh, then I'd go kill their parents, children, neighbors... and I'd burn their houses to the ground.

And call them gay. You left that out.

Raven

Damn man, you are ruthless. I wouldn't go that far. Only as far as the situation demands, and clearly that isn't what the situation demands!

On a serious note, I hope Tamral never procreates.

Tayvin made me laugh

[Vesi]

Being the fine, honest, upstanding citizen you are, I'm sure first thing the next morning you reported to your superiors that some confidential work files were hacked. You did right? I mean if those people with cc theft can't get justice, surely you can send a big corporation after him. So it was your duty to report this to your supervisors as I see it.

>>That the cat may/will suffer more than him is unfortunate, however, this has become his and the cat’s problem to deal with at this time.>>

Yes, I'm sure the cat will be able to reason with them and talk them out of hurting it.

Vesi

[Tsa`ah]

I'm waiting to hear why he doesn't have a firewall on the very notebook he uses for/at work. That and an explanation of how he was able to pinpoint the culprit with his only clues being a printer and misspelled network name.

I'm sorry, but when I'm anyplace offering customers access to a wireless network ... I make sure I spell the network name right.

[GSTamral]

Wow, look at all the love here.

So ranger, its ok to murder the person and anyone around him and/or whack his family, and in doing so a housecat would either be put in a shelter and put to sleep, or left to fend for itself in the wild, where it would most likely die, but just killing the cat outright is extreme. Interesting logic. That's why you're following orders and not giving them.

Tayvin, I never said I was the one to throw any punches. I said it ended after a sucker punch. And you're right about not hugging pussies with fucked up logic. You shouldn't try to hug yourself. You made a bad assumption based on an outright lack of logic. And you're a grade A pussy to boot.

Showal, you call me a drama whore, yet you yourself do nothing but add fuel to the fire repeatedly with insults. So we can conclude from this that you are an even bigger drama seeking whore seeking redemption by getting attention at the expense of those you believe to be drama whores. Your drama whoring comparison of non-crimes with federal crimes and repercussions is quite amusing. Tayvin definitely should not be hugging you either.

Tsa'ah, you keep bringing penis size into this. You really must like them a lot. As for a personal firewall, we have a network firewall in the office. As for me sucking with computers, that would be an excellent explanation as to why I make 6 figures in the tech industry managing EDC and data capture, and you're managing a two bit operation based on manual labor. At least some of the people you work with must be sweaty all the time and have their penises hanging out, which must be keeping you there.

I caught the kid, I suggested someone break his monitor, I reported the matter to authorities, and I had a 15 minute conversation with two of the people he committed a felony against, and suggested that had he stolen my credit card and used it, I would have run over his cat.

You people make assumptions left and right about what happened, and then take the situation so out of proportion as to suggest that this is some mr martial arts tough guy drama whoring.

Whatever they choose to do is their business, and their choice. That one of them mentioned that he wanted to run with the idea of torturing the cat is his personal decision. I'm not touching his cat and I'm not touching him. I will have the interview with the local paper, and that will be that. Whatever they do in order to acheive justice is their business.

[HarmNone]

>>I caught the kid, I suggested someone break his monitor, I reported the matter to authorities, and I had a 15 minute conversation with two of the people he committed a felony against, and suggested that had he stolen my credit card and used it, I would have run over his cat. <<

That's enough for me, Tamral. My premise was correct.

>>That one of them mentioned that he wanted to run with the idea of torturing the cat is his personal decision. I'm not touching his cat and I'm not touching him.<<

Perhaps not directly, which others have alluded to in more than one post. You don't do your own dirty work. Indirectly, however, should the cat be tortured and/or killed, you're as guilty as the perpetrator. After all, sweet cheeks, whose idea was it to punish the innocent orignally?

You're a waste of DNA. Simple as that.

[Vesi]

Originally posted by GSTamral
I'm not touching his cat and I'm not touching him. I will have the interview with the local paper, and that will be that. Whatever they do in order to acheive justice is their business.

My question wasn't answered. Guess you're saving that info for the paper interview then right? About the fact he was able to get confidential work files off your computer. I'm right aren't I? You want it to be a surprise. (for the public and your superiors)

As far as people blowing it out of proportion, I think you need to read your original post again.


Originally posted by GSTamral
So yesterday, after getting out of work late for yet another day (fucking Israelis don't seem to understand proper procedure when uploading flat files to the mainframe, and flights keep getting delayed because of it) I went into a local coffee shop to grab a 10 o clock dinner, when what do I see, but the local coffee shop Wi-Fi has been hijacked by a dumbass kid who thinks he's all smart and the ultimate Hacker. Problem is, he tried to name the hijacked network Angolo's, so people who tried to connect wirelessly on their laptops would not check the spelling to see it wasn't Angelo's. Secondly, he was stupid enough to have a printer profile on this network that has his family's last name on it.

To make a long story short, he really wasn't able to get anything from my laptop other than files dealing with work, most of which are confidential, but wouldn't mean anything to someone who didn't understand them, but after calling him out on it in front of about 40 people, 8 or 9 of whom were using their laptops, we called the cops and did a little search of his PC before they arrived only to find he had at least 15 different credit cards stored in a text file, none of which were his. I also suggested that another person there accidentally "drop" his laptop and then step on the monitor trying to pick it up, which he did most beautifullly, even remembering to write down the exact contents of the text file for authorities to contact and review. He lives about 2 miles from my house, and I am in debate as to what course of action to take next, which include but are not restricted to:

1) Killing his cat by accidentally running it over with my car. (I assume he has a cat because his desktop has a picture of him holding a cat in a/his living room)
2) Advising other kids in the local high school to beat the piss out of him, especially since 3 of those credit card numbers were in names of local high school boys that I know of, this is my current top option.
3) Advising other kids in his high school to spread a rumor that he is not a heterosexual.
4) Rally up people to ostracize his family for raising a fuck-up, hopefully leading up to a lawsuit that costs them house and home. (but this would take time and effort I don’t necessarily want to spend)

Any ideas? I want to ensure this kid and/or his family are fucked.

What the kid did was wrong but he is in HIGH SCHOOL and there is a reason they don't release juvenile records. Teenagers do stupid things. (please, everyone, I know there are dangerous repeat offenders that are teenagers and I'm not talking about them) I would hope the kid would learn from it and do his community service (or whatever) and maybe become a productive member of society. The actions you've taken (by telling people that know him etc...) have done nothing but make an outcast kid more of an outcast and nowhere does that hurt more than high school. Not defending him but everyone should be able to fuck up at least once when they're a teenager and not let it ruin their lives. (not to mention the lives of their parents and cats) The kid obviously has problems. Maybe he will turn into a big time thief but he should be given a chance to undo this wrong. (being caught can turn lots of kids around... then with some it's just spinning your wheels)

I just see you as a cowardly and venomous person that is going to get this wrong righted no matter what or who it hurts. (even an innocent kitty... good thing he wasn't holding a baby in that picture) Wait... see justice done (vigilante) without dirtying your hands. That's what I meant to say. (because you don't seem too interested about due process)

Vesi

Darn... Harmnone beat my post. Waste of DNA... I like that.

[Edited on 5-5-2005 by Vesi]

[Kainen]

Originally posted by HarmNone
You're a waste of DNA. Simple as that.

Damn... :lol:

[Mistomeer]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
I'm waiting to hear why he doesn't have a firewall on the very notebook he uses for/at work.

That and his company's security policy regarding use of the laptop on public networks would be nice.

For being as smart as he claims to be, I'm not quite sure why he'd do something so dumbass. Seriously, I have work documents on my various work laptops and I never connect them to some coffee shop wireless and if I did, there's no way some script kiddie is getting into them.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Mistomeer

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
I'm waiting to hear why he doesn't have a firewall on the very notebook he uses for/at work.

That and his company's security policy regarding use of the laptop on public networks would be nice.

For being as smart as he claims to be, I'm not quite sure why he'd do something so dumbass. Seriously, I have work documents on my various work laptops and I never connect them to some coffee shop wireless and if I did, there's no way some script kiddie is getting into them.

I think the key phrase in your post is "being as smart as he claims to be". I've certainly seen very little evidence of shining intellect in his posts here. :rolleyes:

[Edited on 5-5-2005 by HarmNone]

[GSTamral]

<<<
You're a waste of DNA. Simple as that.
>>>

Yes Harmnone, we all know that you would have caught the kid, given him a hug, and thanked him for what he did, and then suggested he seek counseling while the innocent others suffered for his entertainment. You are equally a self-righteous waste of space.

[Vesi]

Originally posted by GSTamral
<<<
You're a waste of DNA. Simple as that.
>>>

Yes Harmnone, we all know that you would have caught the kid, given him a hug, and thanked him for what he did, and then suggested he seek counseling while the innocent others suffered for his entertainment. You are equally a self-righteous waste of space.

:sniffle:

I feel left out.

[Syberus]

I prefer to tell people that they're a load their mother should have swallowed. I guess the waste of DNA was a more... refined way of putting it.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by GSTamral
<<<
You're a waste of DNA. Simple as that.
>>>

Yes Harmnone, we all know that you would have caught the kid, given him a hug, and thanked him for what he did, and then suggested he seek counseling while the innocent others suffered for his entertainment. You are equally a self-righteous waste of space.

You have no idea what I'd do, you incompetent toad. I believe, however, that I've made perfectly clear what I would NOT do. I would not punish the innocent to attain revenge on the guilty. You, on the other hand, find that method quite acceptable. I think that says it pretty succinctly. :)

[Doyle Hargraves]

Soooooo... you are a tough guy so long as you have "many more of us" odds, and you can sucker punch someone without consequence?

I bet he plays on Alliance too.


You people make assumptions left and right about what happened, and then take the situation so out of proportion as to suggest that this is some mr martial arts tough guy drama whoring.

Nobody's making assumptions. People are speaking their mind based on the content of your original post. YOU are the one that blew shit out of proportion. See?

1) Killing his cat by accidentally running it over with my car. (I assume he has a cat because his desktop has a picture of him holding a cat in a/his living room)
2) Advising other kids in the local high school to beat the piss out of him, especially since 3 of those credit card numbers were in names of local high school boys that I know of, this is my current top option.
3) Advising other kids in his high school to spread a rumor that he is not a heterosexual.
4) Rally up people to ostracize his family for raising a fuck-up, hopefully leading up to a lawsuit that costs them house and home. (but this would take time and effort I don’t necessarily want to spend)

Any ideas? I want to ensure this kid and/or his family are fucked.




And you're a grade A pussy to boot.

I think you're the absolute LAST person in this thread that has the right to call anybody a pussy. And here's why:

1) Killing his cat by accidentally running it over with my car. (I assume he has a cat because his desktop has a picture of him holding a cat in a/his living room)
2) Advising other kids in the local high school to beat the piss out of him, especially since 3 of those credit card numbers were in names of local high school boys that I know of, this is my current top option.
3) Advising other kids in his high school to spread a rumor that he is not a heterosexual.
4) Rally up people to ostracize his family for raising a fuck-up, hopefully leading up to a lawsuit that costs them house and home. (but this would take time and effort I don’t necessarily want to spend)

Any ideas? I want to ensure this kid and/or his family are fucked.

That's right bitch.

Edited to add after drinking a few beers:

It's pretty bad when even HarmNone (who is probably the most objective person in this entire forum) says you're a waste of DNA. That alone should really make you think about yourself when you look in the mirror every morning just after jerking off, but before brushing your teeth and hopefully after washing your hands.

[Edited on 5-5-2005 by Doyle Hargraves]

[Keller]

Originally posted by Vesi

Originally posted by GSTamral
<<<
You're a waste of DNA. Simple as that.
>>>

Yes Harmnone, we all know that you would have caught the kid, given him a hug, and thanked him for what he did, and then suggested he seek counseling while the innocent others suffered for his entertainment. You are equally a self-righteous waste of space.

:sniffle:

I feel left out.

Tell me about it. I didn't even make his response post!

In other news: Tamral is lashing out at Harmnone. Wounded dog syndrome.

I would like to quote a U2U I recieved earlier today pertaining to this thread as I find it appropriate ...

"No kidding! Talk about over reacting and then being unwilling to admit being wrong. Or, worst case, he actually believes he did/is doing the right thing. I can't decide which is worse."

Take your licks and scamper home. You're just looking more and more pathetic.

[HarmNone]

I think the fool actually expected to be greeted with posts of "Huzzah, huzzah! Oh, great one, you have conquered." He's never stepped far enough outside his own ego to realize that the majority of people who post here are head and shoulders above him, intellectually and morally. The rest of us are not at all surprised.

[longshot]

This is like a horrible car accident...

But instead of just gawking, it's like everyone just broke out marshmallows and started roasting them over the wreckage.

I think Tsa'ah even ran home to bring his guitar. There will be singing, and ghost stories later too...

The PC at it's absolute finest!

There's really nothing I can add to this that hasn't already been said.

I'll try anyway though...

Tamral, I hope you lubed up with a good stick of blistex before reading this. Harmnone went about four deep in your ass. You're lucky she stopped and spared you the thumb...

And big fucking deal... you make six figures as a computer jockey.
It's not impressing anyone here.

For all the shit you talk about being SOMEBODY IMPORTANT, the factis that you possess a toxic personality. Your job salary and engineering degree define you as a person. That's really all you've got.

But, so what? We don't care about your job, and the money you have certainly hasn't bought you any sort of companionship.

And you got your MBA from Rutgers. RUTGERS! The Harvard of New Jersey...

I'm not impressed.

Nobody here is. You can lash back at the people responding, but it only makes you sound worse...

The power to unite all sides of the politcal and social spectrum on these boards is reserved for only the most socially inept to have ever graced these forums.

You have reached the Pantheon. The Hall of Champions.

Say hello to Warclaidhm and Klaive.


Edited for grammar.

[Edited on 5-5-2005 by longshot]

[Hulkein]

I was wondering how long it'd take for Longshot to get in on this.

You're slipping man.

Still, I'll give the post a :thumbsup:

[Showal]

<<Showal, you call me a drama whore, yet you yourself do nothing but add fuel to the fire repeatedly with insults. So we can conclude from this that you are an even bigger drama seeking whore seeking redemption by getting attention at the expense of those you believe to be drama whores. Your drama whoring comparison of non-crimes with federal crimes and repercussions is quite amusing. Tayvin definitely should not be hugging you either.>>

You make great conclusions. I never called you a drama whore. My comparison of my friend getting mugged at gunpoint ... I didnt realize that was a non-crime ... or were you refering to how I didnt run over their cats to get even? I dont know Tayvin, but I dont feel like a hug.

I'm glad you make 6 figures. That makes you a man. Man enough to run over a cat and rat on this kid to teenagers to take care of your dirty work. Strange part is when you go home you smell like a big pussy. Ok, that was an insult.

<<I caught the kid, I suggested someone break his monitor, I reported the matter to authorities, and I had a 15 minute conversation with two of the people he committed a felony against, and suggested that had he stolen my credit card and used it, I would have run over his cat. >>

I dont need to really say anything about you that this post doesnt say on its own.

[Keller]

Longshot :lol2:

[DeV]

:rofl: @ this entire thread.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by longshot
Tamral, I hope you lubed up with a good stick of blistex before reading this. Harmnone went about four deep in your ass. You're lucky she stopped and spared you the thumb...



Actually, I had "the thumb" all typed out. Then, I decided the target was too easy. I erased "the thumb". ;)

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

<The power to unite all sides of the politcal and social spectrum on these boards is reserved for only the most socially inept to have ever graced these forums.

You have reached the Pantheon. The Hall of Champions.

Say hello to Warclaidhm and Klaive. >

So true.

[Vesi]

He could fix a lot of it by just saying he over-reacted in the heat of the moment. (maybe) And walk the two miles to the parent's house to tell them to keep the cat indoors because he said something STUPID. (he can still save that cat)

Let's remember a bicycle getting stolen was his town's big 'news' for eleven years.

I wouldn't mind living someplace where that was the only crime in my area but most of us don't.

Vesi

P. S. What will we be singing when Tsa'ah brings the guitar?


P. P. S. And you know what? I hate cats for the most part. (baby kittens I love but they grow up... just like people)


[Edited on 5-5-2005 by Vesi]

[Showal]

Cats in the Cradle

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by GSTamral
Tsa'ah, you keep bringing penis size into this. You really must like them a lot. As for a personal firewall, we have a network firewall in the office. As for me sucking with computers, that would be an excellent explanation as to why I make 6 figures in the tech industry managing EDC and data capture, and you're managing a two bit operation based on manual labor. At least some of the people you work with must be sweaty all the time and have their penises hanging out, which must be keeping you there.

You have no grasp of management if you equate superiority to differences in industry. The again, why would I care about your 6 figure income when you cry about your inability to afford the purchase cost of a home?

You suck at computers simply because you left the protection of your network firewall without any protection on a notebook that contained corporate data on the HD ... and then connected to a "public" wireless network.

That takes some major fucking brains.

In case you haven't figured it out yet, I think you're full of shit about everything.

You caught a kid with your only clues being a misspelled network name and a network printer name.

You were aware that someone was copying files ... even though you didn't have a firewall to alert you of the attempt.

You claim advanced degrees in chemistry yet claim pb is the next step in the decay series of uranium.

You cry about the potential taxes of a system controlled by Dems and claim to be a manager that earns a 6 figure income.... and can't buy a home.

There has been a lack of crazy assumptions, just comments on some deranged behavior on your part and a serious lack of explanation on how you "caught" said hacker.

Maybe you should go work for the FBI, it takes them much longer to catch a hacker.

FUCKING BR3WNED!!!!!!!

[Itachi]

Burn.

[Warriorbird]

Tamral would never admit he was wrong. He is like a Horatio Alger god to us. We also envy his RX7.

[HarmNone]

>>You claim advanced degrees in chemistry yet claim pb is the next step in the decay series of uranium. <<

Tsa`ah! Parkbandit is not the next step in the decay of anything! He may be a conservative, but he's not really decaying...at least, I don't think he's decaying. He DOES drive a mini-van... :thinking:

[ElanthianSiren]

Originally posted by Vesi

P. S. What will we be singing when Tsa'ah brings the guitar?


Cum By Ahhhh, My Lord. Cum By Ahhhh...

Where are the damn marshmallows?!

-Melissa

edit: oh by the way, that was a direct, sarcastic, dry humor comment in regard to the many gay references in this thread, combined with the fact that the ENTIRE thread itself reminds me of that scene in the movie Gone in Sixty Seconds where the Cop stumbles on Nicholas Cage and his friends plotting the night's robbery and Cage tells him basically, "If you think that's good, you should stick around... because later, we're going to sit around a campfire, make smo'ores, and sing kumbya"


[Edited on Thu, May th, 2005 by ElanthianSiren]

[HarmNone]

Heh. I love you guys! You make me smile, laugh, and spit Bailey's all over my monitor, at times. Other times, the tears will gather. You're a damned fine, and fun, bunch of people and I'm really proud to know the vast majority of you.

The PC, when it pulls together out of decenty and honor, is really an amazing mix of wonderful people. :)

HarmNone is getting all sappy again :smilegrin:

[Edited on 5-5-2005 by HarmNone]

[Jadewolff]

I'm definitely more of a lurker at PC but I really did feel the need to comment.

Tamral's attitude makes me sick to my stomach. Now, I can't stop worrying about the poor cat. :(

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Jadewolff
I'm definitely more of a lurker at PC but I really did feel the need to comment.

Tamral's attitude makes me sick to my stomach. Now, I can't stop worrying about the poor cat. :(

I hear ya, hon. However, let's look at it this way....

If those kids do something to that cat, or to a piece of property/the kid's parents or home, one of them is bound to talk. Tamral has admitted he lives in a small town. Word gets around. It won't take long before it's found out that some asshole adult "engineer" was the one that suggested that kind of action to a bunch of impressionable teenagers.

Now, I can tell you that if I were the mother of one of those teenagers, I'd haunt that particular diner until my kid was able to identify the idiot who suggested such an abomination. Said idiot would be lucky if he could continue to live in the same town, much less have a job. I'd have the media all over that one, and the CEO of the company the "engineer" worked for would be seeing a lot of me.
HarmNone, who won't tolerate adults who try to corrupt kids with their own disgusting perversions

[Edited on 5-5-2005 by HarmNone]

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Jadewolff
Tamral's attitude makes me sick to my stomach. Now, I can't stop worrying about the poor cat. :(

Tamral in all likeliness doesn't have the nuts for confrontation outside of kids and domesticated small animals.

Tends to happen when one becomes so full of one's self, yet have some serious inferiority issues.

And no slight toward PB, not to be mistaken for Pb (lead). He may be a conservative fucktard, but he's a likable conservative fucktard outside of the political discussions.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah

And no slight toward PB, not to be mistaken for Pb (lead). He may be a conservative fucktard, but he's a likable conservative fucktard outside of the political discussions.

Thanks.. I think.

[Parker]

Wait a tick, wait a tick!
Tamral, you said that the kid had a printer attached to his network that bore his family's last name, and this is how you caught him?

I'm a computer student, senior in HS, actually. I've been in an intensive computer program for two years, and I can tell you that is absolutely the lamest possible way to catch someone.

Why didn't you just trace the IP and get him back? It's not hard to wipe quite a bit of information from a kid like that...he's using a lack of vigilance on everyone else's part to cause havoc. People like that aren't that savvy, you know?

Just drop him something old, and well known. Chances are, you could get something as old as Sasser behind his antivirus, and make him eat it for breakfast.

I can think of a number of other small, virulent, self-replicating programs that would make short work of his harddrive and all the information on it, without you having to resort to destroying his personal property. I can understand the argument, but you could at least have made us computer geeks proud by giving him something TRULY interesting!

Or what's even more fun, is grab the ARP from the local router, which as a tech, shouldn't be hard. Drop his MAC to the local authorities, and let them chase him until he's dug himself so deep that even the minimal punishment he'll receive as a minor piles up to be something quite significant.

I'm sorry, I just ifnd it to be slightly barbaric, and certainly unsophisticated to physically destroy the laptop. It also puts you at potential risk, whereas beating him at his own "hacking" game isn't all that tough, and is far more rewarding, IMHO.

[HarmNone]

One would think that a self-proclaimed "genius", with an engineering degree, working with computers on a daily basis in a mangement position, would know those things, wouldn't one? :whistle:

[Keller]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Heh. I love you guys! You make me smile, laugh, and spit Bailey's all over my monitor, at times. Other times, the tears will gather. You're a damned fine, and fun, bunch of people and I'm really proud to know the vast majority of you.

The PC, when it pulls together out of decenty and honor, is really an amazing mix of wonderful people. :)

HarmNone is getting all sappy again :smilegrin:

[Edited on 5-5-2005 by HarmNone]

Given the Bailey's in the AM, I'd say you're more likely a little tipsy.

Hoohah!

[Tsa`ah]

But he makes 6 figures!

[StrayRogue]

Since when does making a lot of money and being in charge of others make you intelligent?

Bush is a perfect example of this.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Since when does making a lot of money and being in charge of others make you intelligent?

Bush is a perfect example of this.

LOL.. don't equate poor public speaking skills to mental retardation.

And I wouldn't consider the President's income as alot of money compared to the pressures of this position.

[StrayRogue]

Well he was already a millionaire prior to becoming President. He fucked that up alot as well considering the amount of buisness ventures he fumbled.

[Hulkein]

Hate to burst your bubble, but there's a very large chance Bush is smarter than you, Stay.

PS. Aren't you a writer? Don't you get weird looks from your editor when you consistently spell the two words, a lot, as 'alot?'


[Edited on 5-5-2005 by Hulkein]

[Parker]

Originally posted by HarmNone
One would think that a self-proclaimed "genius", with an engineering degree, working with computers on a daily basis in a mangement position, would know those things, wouldn't one? :whistle:

That was the inference, at the risk of getting flamed like crazy...something that's commonplace on here, from what I can see.

I dunno, just throwing in my two cents, because I feel as though I gotta start my post count somewhere!

-Ranad's brain:cool:

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Hulkein
hate to burst your bubble, but Bush is smarter than you, Stay.

Yeah he's blacker than you as well.

[Hulkein]

I edited to say very large chance, I don't know for sure and I'd hate to just make a judgment like that. ;)

[StrayRogue]

Heh, it doesn't matter anyway. The point is earning alot of money doesn't instantly make you Mr. Smart.

[HarmNone]

Let's keep Bush and politics out of this thread. This isn't about the president. It's about Tamral. That should give you a big enough target. ;)

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
But he makes 6 figures!

So he tells us...again, and again, and again, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. :rolleyes:

[Parker]

Indeed, it's always fun to flame idiots. Wait, we're not talking about bush?

...No matter, This thread still serves the use of flaming idiots ;-)

[DeV]

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
But he makes 6 figures!

So he tells us...again, and again, and again, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. :rolleyes: And then, we just don't give a damn anymore. At least most of us never cared in the first place.

[Kainen]

Nice thing about PC is that the people who don't make 6 figures are just as important as the ones who do.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by DeV
And then, we just don't give a damn anymore. At least most of us never cared in the first place.

Let alone believed.

[Parker]

I love Dev.

Somehow, she got straight to the point...:clap:

Gotta love a woman who can cut through the BS.

[Jorddyn]

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
But he makes 6 figures!

So he tells us...again, and again, and again, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. :rolleyes:

Did anyone ever ask if the first figure is a 0?

And is it just me, or does the phrase "6 figures" seem to just scream out "I'm better than you are, nyah nyah nyah"?

Jorddyn

[Parker]

Originally posted by Kainen
Nice thing about PC is that the people who don't make 6 figures are just as important as the ones who do.

Not necessarily true.

I'm an urchin, useless, whose opinion is unvalued and trod upon,

and I make very low 5 figures a year, while still in school.

Probably because I'm a :newbie:

[Jorddyn]

Originally posted by Kainen
Nice thing about PC is that the people who don't make 6 figures are just as important as the ones who do.

Says you!

Jorddyn, has 6 figures on every monthly paycheck and only 2 are after the decimal

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Jorddyn
Did anyone ever ask if the first figure is a 0?

And is it just me, or does the phrase "6 figures" seem to just scream out "I'm better than you are, nyah nyah nyah"?

Jorddyn

One word ... compensating.

[HarmNone]

To me, it screams out: "I'm so insecure I have to come up with something to make me seem important."

[Jorddyn]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
One word ... compensating.

I don't know that I've ever said this before. I totally agree with you, Tsa'ah :D

Jorddyn

[Parker]

Good point, Jorddyn.

I dunno, I can guarantee that if he's that naive and uneducated, and makes 6 figures a year...Damn, I can't wait till I get outta here, finish college.

Jeeze, I'm in the same field, probably have 10 years less experience than him, and some of the freshman, 14-year old freshmen I work with probably have more knowledge than he does.


Woohoo!

That flame felt good!

[Kainen]

Thats right says me.. I would bet there's people here who don't make all that much, but who's opinions are valued. AND your posting status doesn't always mean anything either.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Jorddyn
I don't know that I've ever said this before. I totally agree with you, Tsa'ah :D

Jorddyn

Feels good doesn't it ... kinda rolls right off the keyboard.

[Parker]

Oh, I know, but right now I'm sitting at school passing a certification exam while posting in PC....my life is grand!

This exam is useless, lemme forward one of the questions.

"If a stepladder has a broken and or missing rung, what should you do?"

A: use it, stepping over the rung.

B: TURN THE LADDER OVER SO THAT THE RUNG ISN'T NECESSARY, THEN CLIMB THE LADDER.

C: Remove the ladder, andbe sure that nobody else uses it.


this is on a nationally-recognized safety test, for workmen.

Please, people, why do they bother giving a certification like this? If there are human beings walking the earth who don't know what they're doing in a situation like this, you shouldn't be trusting them with anything more dangerous than a bouncey-ball.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Parker

Originally posted by Kainen
Nice thing about PC is that the people who don't make 6 figures are just as important as the ones who do.

Not necessarily true.

I'm an urchin, useless, whose opinion is unvalued and trod upon,

and I make very low 5 figures a year, while still in school.

Probably because I'm a :newbie:

Heh. Being an urchin on these boards doesn't mean your opinions aren't valued, hon. Additionally, how much money you make is irrelevant.

HarmNone, who values most newbies :)

[Parker]

my self deprication was sarcastic. People like..hell, who started this post? I can't remember his name, nor do I care enough to look back, have serious issues with their self-worth.

Plenty of idiots make tons of money.

Nearly every actor and or actress in hollywood for instance.

I say NEARLY, don't get on my case.

Paris Hilton <---prime example, may got smite the flesh from her emaciated bones.

[Parker]

OOOOOO! And I'm not an urchin! I'm now a peasant!

Upgrades!:ohshit:

[DeV]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
One word ... compensating. For lack of a better word.

[Parker]

Well, I don't compensate.

Perhaps I should....

But remember, ladies, it's not the size of the pipe, it's how you lay it!

[DeV]

Originally posted by Parker
But remember, ladies, it's not the size of the pipe, it's how you lay it! Damn right. :yes:

[Jorddyn]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah

Originally posted by Jorddyn
I don't know that I've ever said this before. I totally agree with you, Tsa'ah :D

Jorddyn

Feels good doesn't it ... kinda rolls right off the keyboard.

Sorry it took me so long to respond. I was off slamming my hands in a door for being bad :D

I actually rather enjoy disagreeing with you (and others) a lot of the time. When the opposition is intelligent and their posts are well thought out, it makes me think.

Of course, sometimes it makes me scream "STUPID HEAD!", but that's far more rare.

Jorddyn

[ElanthianSiren]

Originally posted by Parker

But remember, ladies, it's not the size of the pipe, it's how you lay it!

Psst: It's both. :D

-Melissa

[Parker]

Bah, I knew I was less than worthy...

So....to compensate...

I make 6 figures a year! I am a genius, and therefore far superior to you!

[Edited on 5-5-2005 by Parker]

[ElanthianSiren]

Originally posted by Parker
Bah, I knew I was less than worthy...

So....to compensate...

I make 6 figures a year! I am a genius, and therefore far superior to you!

[Edited on 5-5-2005 by Parker]

Whoa kinky... In the words of Eddie Izzard... "Do you wanna cup of coffee?" ;)

-Melissa

[Showal]

I dont make 6 figures, I make 5. I'm poor. I'm overworked and underpaid. At least my job is something important and gratifying. I do research and my resume includes Tay Sachs, Cancer and sleep and wake disorders ... I'd rather be overworked and underpaid than paid well to ensure flights in israel arrive on time and have my biggest concern be that "fucking Israelis don't seem to understand proper procedure when uploading flat files to the mainframe". Shit, I generally dont even have weekends off.

[Edited on 5-5-2005 by Showal]

[Showal]

I'm unimportant by Tamral's standards, but hey ... I love my job

[peam]

Best thread ever. Keep it up.

[Showal]

I really would like to know if Tamral really expected everyone to congratulate him on his "discovery" and then immediately move into a debate as to which of his ideas would be best to fuck over the kid and his family.

Did he expect this:

"Hmmmm ... I really like the first option, quick and painful. The third option, however, seems to be the best choice as it would probably bring on "ass kickings" (as seen in option 2). The fourth option is not likely going to happen. I say go with option 3. Wow Tamral, you should have put up a poll. Keep us updated and good work!"

[Doyle Hargraves]

Originally posted by Showal
I really would like to know if Tamral really expected everyone to congratulate him on his "discovery" and then immediately move into a debate as to which of his ideas would be best to fuck over the kid and his family.

Did he expect this:

"Hmmmm ... I really like the first option, quick and painful. The third option, however, seems to be the best choice as it would probably bring on "ass kickings" (as seen in option 2). The fourth option is not likely going to happen. I say go with option 3. Wow Tamral, you should have put up a poll. Keep us updated and good work!"

Yes.

[GSTamral]

<<
"Hmmmm ... I really like the first option, quick and painful. The third option, however, seems to be the best choice as it would probably bring on "ass kickings" (as seen in option 2). The fourth option is not likely going to happen. I say go with option 3. Wow Tamral, you should have put up a poll. Keep us updated and good work!"
>>>

Sure.

The cat has not been hurt, and likely won't be, although I have no control over that at this point in time.

The kid did not show up for school yesterday or today, and the rumor is that he will be transferring to a private school.

The remainder of the lacrosse team, along with others as well are supposedly waiting for the day he comes to pick up his stuff from his locker.

[Liberi Fatali]

Originally posted by GSTamral
<<
"Hmmmm ... I really like the first option, quick and painful. The third option, however, seems to be the best choice as it would probably bring on "ass kickings" (as seen in option 2). The fourth option is not likely going to happen. I say go with option 3. Wow Tamral, you should have put up a poll. Keep us updated and good work!"
>>>

Sure.

The cat has not been hurt, and likely won't be, although I have no control over that at this point in time.

The kid did not show up for school yesterday or today, and the rumor is that he will be transferring to a private school.

The remainder of the lacrosse team, along with others as well are supposedly waiting for the day he comes to pick up his stuff from his locker.

Jesus Christ, you lie worse than that time I got straight A's in medical school.

[Tsa`ah]

You are either extremely pathetic or so full of shit that the municipal services refuse to offer service to your residence any longer.

It could be both of course.


Originally posted by Tabor
Jesus Christ, you lie worse than that time I got straight A's in medical school.

Oh please, you're not too far behind Klaive and Sean's love child.

[Liberi Fatali]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah

Oh please, you're not too far behind Klaive and Sean's love child.

Dear Tsa'ah,

You are what the vermiform appendix is to the caecum of the large intestine; useless.

Cheers,

Tabor.

[HarmNone]

This thread is not about Tabor, nor is it about Tsa`ah. It's about Tamral.

Tabor, you have the Jenovadeath thread to putter about in. Any desires you have to insult, or to draw attention to yourself, would best fit there.

Stay on topic. I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY DON'T want to close this thread. I LOVE this thread. :D

[Showal]

<<The remainder of the lacrosse team, along with others as well are supposedly waiting for the day he comes to pick up his stuff from his locker. >>

I bet you have all sorts of alerts hooked up to your computer and your cell phone because you can't wait either. You can vicariously live out your dreams of kicking this kid's ass through some high schoolers.

<<The kid did not show up for school yesterday or today, and the rumor is that he will be transferring to a private school. >>

Either that or he's gotten suspended which a good amount of high schools will do if you've gotten arrested or otherwise in trouble with the law. Perhaps his parents are keeping him in because they've heard that Tamral the Terrible has sent teenage boys to harm their son.

I think it's funny you responded to my little sarcastic segment about what you should do. By all means, keep us updated. You're lying anyways.

[HarmNone]

One can only hope that, at least, one set of parents has heard of the adult (I use the word VERY loosely) who suggested such extreme measure be used against a highschool kid. Mmmm. I really like that thought. :)

[Tsa`ah]

Didn't happen.

Or something did, he got his ass reamed, and now he's simply posting what he wished had happened.

[Vesi]

Originally posted by GSTamral
Sure.

The cat has not been hurt, and likely won't be, although I have no control over that at this point in time.

The kid did not show up for school yesterday or today, and the rumor is that he will be transferring to a private school.

The remainder of the lacrosse team, along with others as well are supposedly waiting for the day he comes to pick up his stuff from his locker.

Either the above isn't true or you're hanging out with high school kids (or visiting the school because how would you know what the rumor is and what the kids at school are going to do) which in both instances spell... PSYCHO WEIRDO LOSER.

Vesi

P. S. Also, if you come back with this town is so small that I can know this without talking to any MINORS, then the cat story WILL get out. That is all.

[Edited on 5-6-2005 by Vesi]