Jussie Smollett trial

[LOL BRIELUS]

Since we're on a trial kick, need to add this one too

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/criminal-justice/ct-jussie-smollett-trial-day-one-20211129-fcje73quwvf5pi354xzvv6plny-story.html

summary:

Smollett claimed he was walking home from a Subway restaurant one night in January 2019 when two men wearing ski masks attacked him, yelling racial and homophobic slurs and hanging a noose around his neck. One of his attackers appeared to be white, Smollett said. And in the midst of the assault, one assailant yelled “This is MAGA country,” a reference to then-President Donald Trump’s slogan.

His manager called the police, and officers responded to his apartment to find Smollett with the rope still around his neck. “I just wanted y’all to see it,” he told them.

The story grabbed international headlines — particularly after two brothers, Abimbola and Olabinjo Osundairo, told police that the attack had been faked. Smollett had persuaded them to stage the assault in hopes of catching the attention of his “Empire” bosses, the brothers said.

Smollett went from victim to suspect, and ultimately was charged with giving a false report to the police.

But in a stunning move, Cook County prosecutors quietly dropped those charges shortly after Smollett’s formal indictment, causing mass confusion and an outcry that ultimately led to a special prosecutor’s appointment. Webb, and his team brought a new indictment against Smollett in February 2020, just before the COVID-19 pandemic hit.

[Bhaalizmo]

Since we're on a trial kick, need to add this one too

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/criminal-justice/ct-jussie-smollett-trial-day-one-20211129-fcje73quwvf5pi354xzvv6plny-story.html

summary:

Smollett claimed he was walking home from a Subway restaurant one night in January 2019 when two men wearing ski masks attacked him, yelling racial and homophobic slurs and hanging a noose around his neck. One of his attackers appeared to be white, Smollett said. And in the midst of the assault, one assailant yelled “This is MAGA country,” a reference to then-President Donald Trump’s slogan.

His manager called the police, and officers responded to his apartment to find Smollett with the rope still around his neck. “I just wanted y’all to see it,” he told them.

The story grabbed international headlines — particularly after two brothers, Abimbola and Olabinjo Osundairo, told police that the attack had been faked. Smollett had persuaded them to stage the assault in hopes of catching the attention of his “Empire” bosses, the brothers said.

Smollett went from victim to suspect, and ultimately was charged with giving a false report to the police.

But in a stunning move, Cook County prosecutors quietly dropped those charges shortly after Smollett’s formal indictment, causing mass confusion and an outcry that ultimately led to a special prosecutor’s appointment. Webb, and his team brought a new indictment against Smollett in February 2020, just before the COVID-19 pandemic hit.

This has been an entertaining one to watch, from the start.

I hadn't heard about the Cook County prosecutors dropping the charges against Juicy. That's curious. Gonna need a bigger bucket of popcorn.

[Flap]

Please people never forget the best details, he was attacked on his way back from Subway at 2am during -20 temperatures, he was attacked but managed to keep his sandwich in hand throughout the brutality, then after being sprayed with a "suspicious substance" and having a noose around his neck he ate the sandwich, HE ATE THE "BLEACH" SOAKED SANDWICH!

Hahahaha amazing.

[kutter]

My prediction right now will be a hung jury.

[Flap]

My prediction right now will be a hung jury.

LOL! You go straight to jail. No trial.

[Seran]

Still not sure why the DA who decided to drop charges on this dude hasn't been recalled or replaced. Her slap on the wrist has patronage written all over it.

[LOL BRIELUS]

Still not sure why the DA who decided to drop charges on this dude hasn't been recalled or replaced. Her slap on the wrist has patronage written all over it.

Many DAs are now becoming more progressive. The law and order DA is going the way of the dodo bird. The fact is she was elected easily and will never get recalled by her constituents

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Still not sure why the DA who decided to drop charges on this dude hasn't been recalled or replaced. Her slap on the wrist has patronage written all over it.

I'm probably not remembering it correctly, but someone ended up calling the Obama's to weigh in on this I thought. Kim Fox or some such?

[Seran]

I'm probably not remembering it correctly, but someone ended up calling the Obama's to weigh in on this I thought. Kim Fox or some such?

That is whom I'm referring to, Kimberly Foxx, the Illinois DA who declined to prosecute and whose actions resulted in the appointment of the special prosecutor who brought the current charges we're seeing tried.

[kutter]

She had much higher aspirations than just a county DA from what I have read, but I am thinking she has plateaued out on her career path.

[Seran]

She had much higher aspirations than just a county DA from what I have read, but I am thinking she has plateaued out on her career path.

Sucking up to prominent Democrats and getting the favor of a wealthy, flamboyant and criminally inspired actor must've seemed like a twofer then.

[~Rocktar~]

She had much higher aspirations than just a county DA from what I have read, but I am thinking she has plateaued out on her career path.

Now all she needs is to date Willie Brown and Montel Williams and she could be a VP in a few years.

[LOL BRIELUS]

Update:https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/01/arts/television/jussie-smollett-attacker-testimony.html

Defense appears to be that the brothers attacked him because he was homosexual. No reasonable explanation for the maga hat or rope yet...

[Gelston]

Update:https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/01/arts/television/jussie-smollett-attacker-testimony.html

Defense appears to be that the brothers attacked him because he was homosexual. No reasonable explanation for the maga hat or rope yet...

.... the brothers that he paid?

[LOL BRIELUS]

.... the brothers that he paid?

Can't open the paywall, but I think defense explanation is that the money was for personal training and herbal steroids. Lolz

[LOL BRIELUS]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/12/02/us/jussie-smollett-trial/index.html

In a heated exchange, Walker asked the judge for a sidebar, which he denied at first. After the defense for a second time requested a meeting outside of earshot of the jury, Linn sent the panel out of the room.

Walker and her defense team requested a mistrial.

As the exchange between the judge and the defense quickly escalated, Walker became emotional, at one point sobbing as she paced around a table, claiming Linn was not allowing her to continue a line of questioning that was critical to the defense's case.

Walker also claimed Linn lunged at her while at the sidebar, something Linn vehemently denied.

Lol it's over when the attorney becomes desperate. That being said I am 90% certain there will be no jail time here. I predict a hefty fine near the legal max, and a long probation. Convince me otherwise

[Parkbandit]

Lol it's over when the attorney becomes desperate. That being said I am 90% certain there will be no jail time here. I predict a hefty fine near the legal max, and a long probation. Convince me otherwise

Jussie Smollett should have just settled this out of court and made his stupidity go away. But I suppose if you are the type of person to do this in the first place, you want to have the publicity no matter how pathetic it makes you look.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

As the exchange between the judge and the defense quickly escalated, Walker became emotional, at one point sobbing as she paced around a table, claiming Linn was not allowing her to continue a line of questioning that was critical to the defense's case.

Can you imagine if you were in court and your lawyer started to cry?

[Seran]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/12/02/us/jussie-smollett-trial/index.html

In a heated exchange, Walker asked the judge for a sidebar, which he denied at first. After the defense for a second time requested a meeting outside of earshot of the jury, Linn sent the panel out of the room.

Walker and her defense team requested a mistrial.

As the exchange between the judge and the defense quickly escalated, Walker became emotional, at one point sobbing as she paced around a table, claiming Linn was not allowing her to continue a line of questioning that was critical to the defense's case.

Walker also claimed Linn lunged at her while at the sidebar, something Linn vehemently denied.

Lol it's over when the attorney becomes desperate. That being said I am 90% certain there will be no jail time here. I predict a hefty fine near the legal max, and a long probation. Convince me otherwise

I think it's amazing that the unhinged Defense lawyer was trying to imply one of the Osundairo brother's had homophobic tendencies, while the other was trying to imply one of both may have had sex with Jussie.

Jussie originally claimed to have no knowledge of the attackers when he filed his police report and aired his victimization. Now here we have his personal trainers being arrested a short time later and saying they were paid. My question, if Jussie really didn't hire them, why wouldn't he immediately file an amended police report saying they were the attackers. It certainly would go a long way to destroying the Osundairo Brothers credibility.

My guess is he /did/ hire the brothers to stage the attack and didn't want additional charges of lying to the police in subsequent contacts.

[Sighisoara]

Can you imagine if you were in court and your lawyer started to cry?

It can be surprisingly effective during an argument to a jury. It is never effective in an argument to a judge. That’s the kind of shit that will spur a psych eval.

[LOL BRIELUS]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jussie-smollett-taking-stand-is-seen-as-risky-potential-defense-tactic-11638630002

Lol wow, insane move. Defendant has no credibility going into this. His lawyers have to know potential for perjury is so high here. I am guessing the client is insisting on testifying and obviously is their right. If he goes on the stand, it will be an epic fail.

[LOL BRIELUS]

https://www-nbcchicago-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/jussie-smollett-trial-day-5-defense-expected-to-continue-presenting-its-case/2700844/?amp=&amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16388213375763&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcchicago.com%2Fnews%2 Flocal%2Fjussie-smollett-trial-day-5-defense-expected-to-continue-presenting-its-case%2F2700844%2F

Lol it's getting so good. wish the trial was streamed

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

All it takes is one juror and the whole thing is a mistrial right? I feel like that's what he's going for.

[Flap]

I think it's amazing that the unhinged Defense lawyer was trying to imply one of the Osundairo brother's had homophobic tendencies, while the other was trying to imply one of both may have had sex with Jussie.

That's not uncommon in violence against gay folk. "Straight" guy does something gay with gay guy("a mouth is a mouth when you close your eyes baby"), gets cognitive dissonance, gets violent. Blames the gay guy for making them gay.

[LOL BRIELUS]

Yes 100% agree that happens. Except here where there is no reasonable explanation of the payment, noose, racial slurs from his African colleagues, red maga hats, bleach, "random" meetup at 2AM, and his acquaintances were the ones who inexplicably turned on him, attacked him and of course, never mentioned any of this or that he know the attackers in his initial meetings with police.

[Parkbandit]

Literally, you would have to be one of the dumbest people on the planet to not realize that Smollett staged this entire thing.

[Gelston]

Verdict is in, just waiting on every to get back to the court house.

[Gelston]

I'm betting hung jury. If they actually came to a consensus then not guilty.

It isn't. They said that much already.

[kutter]

I'm betting hung jury. If they actually came to a consensus then not guilty.

Pretty sure the judge would send them back if they said it was hung, it has not even been two full days. Hard to imagine they would get everyone to agree, but we shall see soon enough.

[Gelston]

Pretty sure the judge would send them back if they said it was hung, it has not even been two full days. Hard to imagine they would get everyone to agree, but we shall see soon enough.

IT was such a slam dunk case. He is probably going to get a fine and probation.

[Parkbandit]

Guilty.

I'm actually shocked people in Chicago found him guilty.

Like Gelston said.. he'll get a small fine and probation.

Hope he gets sued by everyone and anyone.

Fuck this lying piece of shit.

[kutter]

The Chicago PD has already sued him, don't know the status of it, but I know they have.

[Gelston]

The Chicago PD has already sued him, don't know the status of it, but I know they have.

I think it is for the 3000 hours spent on his false case

[LOL BRIELUS]

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/jussie-smollett-trial-verdict-watch-12-09-21/index.html

Lol crazy. Potential for jail time since he testified with bold face lies.how is he going to now say I'm sorry, won't happen again no jail plz judge at sentencing? It will look incredibly insincere. The judge will probably be looking at jail apparently.

[Parkbandit]

I really hope he gets some real jail time.. but it's Chicago...

[kutter]

How about an equal amount of time in community service as the cops spent investigating? Seems reasonable since it seems very unlikely he will get jail time. Ohhhhh, maybe he will cut a deal to turn on Kim Foxx to get his sentence reduced! That would be perfect.

[Gelston]

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/jussie-smollett-being-found-guilty-hoax-will-hurt-lgbtq-folks-n1285638

Jussie Smollett being found guilty of hoax will hurt LGBTQ folks reporting hate crimes

... Hmm.. No, I think him lying about being a victim of a hate crime is what hurts people.

[Parkbandit]

The whole article is basically “yeah this case proves everything Trump supporters have been saying for years but ignore all of that and remember Trump supporters are still racist.”

How do people come up with this dumb shit?

They know their target audience are people like Seran, Backlash, Ashliana and time4fun... the dumbest people in the country.

[Parkbandit]

9828

#justiceforjussie (https://twitter.com/hashtag/justiceforjussie?src=hashtag_click)

[LOL BRIELUS]

Lol to be fair how would have anyone known from the outset that he made it all up? This denouncing of hate attacks is standard right?

[Gelston]

Lol to be fair how would have anyone known from the outset that he made it all up? This denouncing of hate attacks is standard right?

I think the thing is, they never came back and denounced Jussie for making it harder on people with REAL hate crimes against their person.

At least one person has blamed the verdict itself.

[Parkbandit]

Lol to be fair how would have anyone known from the outset that he made it all up? This denouncing of hate attacks is standard right?

Anyone with an IQ over 15 with common sense?

But instead of waiting until the investigation even started, you had the country's biggest idiots jumping on the story because it was a perfect fit to the narrative that they wanted to use.

[Parkbandit]

City of Chicago confirms it WILL sue Jussie Smollett for wasted $130k police investigation into fake hate attack: Nigerian brothers he accused also plan lawsuit.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10301741/Jussie-Smollett-faces-130k-lawsuit-City-Chicago-separate-filing-Osundairo-siblings.html

[~Rocktar~]

Hopefully he loses every dime he owns.

Nah, just most of it, don't want him on welfare so we pay even more for his dumb ass.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'd like to see him get at least a little jail time. Pretending to have been a victim of a hate crime seems like a big offense to me. Then he'll be back singing/acting or whatever he does after lying low for a year or so is what I think. Which I'm cool with, pay your debt to society and then re-enter it.

[Parkbandit]

I'd like to see him get at least a little jail time. Pretending to have been a victim of a hate crime seems like a big offense to me. Then he'll be back singing/acting or whatever he does after lying low for a year or so is what I think. Which I'm cool with, pay your debt to society and then re-enter it.

Not only that.. but you were caught lying about it.. so you doubled down... got dragged to court and STILL lied about it on the stand.

I hope you get some major jail time, long probation + community service, get sued and are forced to actually come out and tell the truth.

Fuck this race baiter.

[LOL BRIELUS]

Lol brielus sentencing memo:

Found guilty on 5 charges, max of 3 yrs each, total of max 15 yrs.

Mitigating circumstances
Noone physically injured
Relatively minor crime
Little criminal record (I believe he had an old DUI and old false report prior convictions)
Actually performed some community service and forfeited bond when case was originally dismissed.

Aggravating circumstances
Arguably used celebrity to pressure investigation
Faking hate crime makes it harder for real hate crimes to be investigated
Did not take any responsibility (yet)/doubled down on his lies

Lol brielus prediction- he will not come clean at sentencing hearing. He will probably remain silent so he can raise issues on this appeal that it sounds like he is filing. He will get no jail time with a long probation (over 2 years) and a hefty fine, potentially the whole of the police overtime due as restitution.

Thoughts?

[Gelston]

Lol brielus sentencing memo:

Found guilty on 5 charges, max of 3 yrs each, total of max 15 yrs.

Mitigating circumstances
Noone physically injured
Relatively minor crime
Little criminal record (I believe he had an old DUI and old false report prior convictions)
Actually performed some community service and forfeited bond when case was originally dismissed.

Aggravating circumstances
Arguably used celebrity to pressure investigation
Faking hate crime makes it harder for real hate crimes to be investigated
Did not take any responsibility (yet)/doubled down on his lies

Lol brielus prediction- he will not come clean at sentencing hearing. He will probably remain silent so he can raise issues on this appeal that it sounds like he is filing. He will get no jail time with a long probation (over 2 years) and a hefty fine, potentially the whole of the police overtime due as restitution.

Thoughts?

Fine, probation, community service, and then him getting sued.

[Bhaalizmo]

A shout out to Juicy

On hiring black actors for what has been a traditionally white role.

[Tgo01]

A shout out to Juicy

On hiring black actors for what has been a traditionally white role.

It really is weird he didn't hire two white dudes, then if they were caught he could totally just throw them under the bus and say he has no clue what them honkeys are talking about and insist they are racist assholes, that argument doesn't make much sense when the people who "attacked" him are two black dudes.

I guess he has no white friends because he's a racist shithead.

[LOL BRIELUS]

It really is weird he didn't hire two white dudes, then if they were caught he could totally just throw them under the bus and say he has no clue what them honkeys are talking about and insist they are racist assholes, that argument doesn't make much sense when the people who "attacked" him are two black dudes.

I guess he has no white friends because he's a racist shithead.

he didn't quite think it all the way through i'm thinking...

[Parkbandit]

he didn't quite think it all the way through i'm thinking...

A common trait with the alt-left.

[Gelston]

Wow, Jussie Smollett actually got jail time.

150 days and120k in restitution.

[Gelston]

Not enough! Rabble rabble!

He got 30 months of felony probation and a 25k fine too.

[Bhaalizmo]

Wow, Jussie Smollett actually got jail time.

150 days and120k in restitution.

Poor Juicy.

He could still play it off and have a career out of it if he's managed well. Or at all.

[LOL BRIELUS]

Did anyone see the proceeding? He went bonkers and screamed he was innocent multiple times and that he was not suicidal

[Neveragain]

Did anyone see the proceeding? He went bonkers and screamed he was innocent multiple times and that he was not suicidal

Funniest 60 seconds all week.

[Suppressed Poet]

Vegas odds strongly favor that while in prison Jussie will soon make additional accusations that some MAGA hat wearing white prison guards tried to lynch him with rope & make it appear as a suicide…while he was outside in the yard amongst hundreds of other inmates…during a blizzard…just after he finished eating a delicious Subway Cold Cut Combo…

[Suppressed Poet]

The irony to me in this case…

Jussie’s celebrity gay black privilege allows for BLM and other radical political activists to STILL continue to support his claim of innocence in spite of overwhelming evidence that led to his felony conviction & incarceration.

[Solkern]

The irony to me in this case…

Jussie’s celebrity gay black privilege allows for BLM and other radical political activists to STILL continue to support his claim of innocence in spite of overwhelming evidence that led to his felony conviction & incarceration.

And? That goes both ways. People will always support certain people no matter the overwhelming evidence against them.

[Parkbandit]

Did anyone see the proceeding? He went bonkers and screamed he was innocent multiple times and that he was not suicidal

Why were cameras suddenly allowed into this courtroom when they weren't during the actual trial?

Fucking circus... on both sides.

Smollett has some obvious mental issues... but why the fuck does the judge need to go on and on and on? Just sentence him, close the 3 ring circus down and be done with it.

I agree with the sentence and to be honest, I'm shocked he got any jail time.. but the judge was equally fucking dramatic.

[Suppressed Poet]

And? That goes both ways. People will always support certain people no matter the overwhelming evidence against them.

True.

I try my best to avoid the trade of hypocrisy in support of ideology, and call it plainly how I see it.

[Taernath]

Je suis Sommelier


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEt8aDyYGm8

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

He's such a terrible actor.

[Taernath]

He's such a terrible actor.

Maybe we'll get a Scared Straight reboot out of it.

https://i.imgur.com/3MKynuG.gif

[Parkbandit]

He's such a terrible actor.

Some people still believe he is innocent.. so maybe he's not as terrible of an actor as you think.

[Suppressed Poet]

Why were cameras suddenly allowed into this courtroom when they weren't during the actual trial?

Fucking circus... on both sides.

Smollett has some obvious mental issues... but why the fuck does the judge need to go on and on and on? Just sentence him, close the 3 ring circus down and be done with it.

I agree with the sentence and to be honest, I'm shocked he got any jail time.. but the judge was equally fucking dramatic.

My guess on the judge’s long explanation was that he absolutely knew the defense team would immediately file for an appeal and was being thorough. To me his logic made sense and seems like a fair outcome given the totality of circumstances.

As to allowing the cameras now…yeah didn’t think of that until you mentioned it, but I tend to agree. Not sure why it was not allowed in the trial but was for the sentencing. It’s completely unnecessary to film that if it were up to me.

[Seran]

“If I did this, then it means that I stuck my fist in the fears of Black Americans in this country for over 400 years and the fears of the LGBT community,” Smollett said, standing up at the defense table as his lawyers and sheriff’s deputies surrounded him. “Your Honor, I respect you and I respect the jury but I did not do this. And I am not suicidal. And if anything happens to me when I go in there, I did not do it to myself. And you must all know that.”

The gentleman called out exactly what he did, denigrate the I'm portal civil rights challenges our nation faces by attempting to exploit them for personal gain. A criminal act was committed and it's good to know he is aware of the magnitude of his crimes, even if he's still still trying to deny his guilt.

[LOL BRIELUS]

There is a public interest generally in open proceedings in courtsfor transparency and public confidence in courts. There is a body of case law about it. It can be limited of course, which is why you'll rarely see juvenile delinquency proceedings. It varies by state.

[Gelston]

There is a public interest generally in open proceedings in courtsfor transparency and public confidence in courts. There is a body of case law about it. It can be limited of course, which is why you'll rarely see juvenile delinquency proceedings. It varies by state.

Juvenile courts aren't technically even required by the Constitution. They don't even have right to jury.

[LOL BRIELUS]

https://deadline.com/2022/03/jussie-smollett-psych-ward-cook-county-jail-brother-instagram-1234977231/

He's already in the psych ward for risk of self harm.

[Methais]

https://deadline.com/2022/03/jussie-smollett-psych-ward-cook-county-jail-brother-instagram-1234977231/

He's already in the psych ward for risk of self harm.

Over a 150 day sentence that he probably won't serve all of?


"I'm not suicidal, and if something happens to me in there, someone did it to me!" (paraphrased)

Jail: GUYS IT SOUNDS LIKE JUICY IS SUICIDAL!!!!


Though this should at least rob him of any opportunity to stage a fake murder attempt, which was probably on his to do list.


Smollett yelled to the courtroom upon his conviction that he was not suicidal and would not kill himself while in custody. The statement was seen as a nod to other famous and infamous inmates like Jeffrey Epstein and John McAfee, who both allegedly committed suicide while incarcerated.

Makes sense, since Epstein didn't kill himself, and I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume that McAfee didn't either.

[Methais]

Jussie Smollett thinking he is anywhere near as important of a figure as Jeffrey Epstein is hilarious. Lots of wanted wanted Epstein dead because he had dirt on just about everyone important.

Jussie Smollett was a D-list actor that no one knew before he staged his own hate crime, and even now no one gives enough of a shit about him to try and kill him in prison. Everyone is having a great time laughing at his stupid ass and laughing as he's hauled off to jail.

He'll probably get hired by CNN or MSNBC when he's out.

And Seran will be like:

https://c.tenor.com/P5_hF2KzfqEAAAAC/uhhuh-clap.gif
https://media1.giphy.com/media/41fcwvXbVM7rACpN52/giphy.gif

[Amerek]

The sentence seems pretty light. This dude is going to be out faking hate crimes again before you know it.

[Gelston]

The sentence seems pretty light. This dude is going to be out faking hate crimes again before you know it.

5 months for someone as bitchy as him is probably going to feel like a lifetime.

[Parkbandit]

At least he's finally getting the fame he craved.

[Methais]

At least he's finally getting the fame he craved.

Now he's infamous.

Like El guapo.

https://i.imgur.com/YOs6BZJ.png

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Maybe he'll make a comeback like Robert Downey Jr. Or maybe more like Emilio Estevez's brother.

[Parkbandit]

Maybe he'll make a comeback like Robert Downey Jr. Or maybe more like Emilio Estevez's brother.

Robert Downey Jr was a good actor who was addicted to drugs... got help and became something with hard work.

Jussie Smollett was a forgettable actor who staged a crime to become something.

They aren't even close to being the same.

[Methais]

Maybe he'll make a comeback like Robert Downey Jr. Or maybe more like Emilio Estevez's brother.

Charlie was having a Bad Day on the Block...


https://youtu.be/FkZOhPZBCiA

Have a rice day.

[Parkbandit]

Hahahahaha... I KNEW there was no way he would put in real jail time...

The Juice is Loose pending an appeal.

[Gelston]

Hahahahaha... I KNEW there was no way he would put in real jail time...

The Juice is Loose pending an appeal.

When his appeal fails he'll just be back in. He is only delaying the inevitable.

[~Rocktar~]

Now he's infamous.

Like El guapo.

https://i.imgur.com/YOs6BZJ.png

Hey now, he isn't THAT famous.

[ClydeR]

He’s claiming double jeopardy.


He was charged by the government. After investigating, the government agreed to drop the charges if he would agree to forfeit a $10,000 bond that he had filed. He agreed to the forfeiture. Then the government prosecuted him again. Was the forfeiture of $10,000 the first time he was charged not a punishment? He wouldn't have been required to forfeit a $10,000 bond if he was innocent, would he? Isn't sending him to jail after the second set of charges a second punishment for the same crime?

[Gelston]

He was charged by the government. After investigating, the government agreed to drop the charges if he would agree to forfeit a $10,000 bond that he had filed. He agreed to the forfeiture. Then the government prosecuted him again. Was the forfeiture of $10,000 the first time he was charged not a punishment? He wouldn't have been required to forfeit a $10,000 bond if he was innocent, would he? Isn't sending him to jail after the second set of charges a second punishment for the same crime?

He was never brought to trial and found not guilty the first time. That isn't double jeopardy.

[Methais]

He was charged by the government. After investigating, the government agreed to drop the charges if he would agree to forfeit a $10,000 bond that he had filed. He agreed to the forfeiture. Then the government prosecuted him again. Was the forfeiture of $10,000 the first time he was charged not a punishment? He wouldn't have been required to forfeit a $10,000 bond if he was innocent, would he? Isn't sending him to jail after the second set of charges a second punishment for the same crime?

You're stupid.

[LOL BRIELUS]

He was charged by the government. After investigating, the government agreed to drop the charges if he would agree to forfeit a $10,000 bond that he had filed. He agreed to the forfeiture. Then the government prosecuted him again. Was the forfeiture of $10,000 the first time he was charged not a punishment? He wouldn't have been required to forfeit a $10,000 bond if he was innocent, would he? Isn't sending him to jail after the second set of charges a second punishment for the same crime?

No

[Methais]

ClydeR needs a new account and a new gimmick. Talk about stale as fuck.

[ClydeR]

No

We'll see. He did community service as part of his agreement with the government. That was before the government reversed its position and decided to prosecute him after accepting the $10,000 and community service. I don't think the appeals court would have let him out of jail while his appeal was pending unless they believed that the government's position was questionable. Regardless of whether or not he is guilty, he is entitled to be treated fairly and in conformity with the Constitution. The trail judge failed to uphold that standard.

[Gelston]

We'll see. He did community service as part of his agreement with the government. That was before the government reversed its position and decided to prosecute him after accepting the $10,000 and community service. I don't think the appeals court would have let him out of jail while his appeal was pending unless they believed that the government's position was questionable. Regardless of whether or not he is guilty, he is entitled to be treated fairly and in conformity with the Constitution. The trail judge failed to uphold that standard.

Again, it wasn't pushed through trial. So the answer is no. It wasn't a plea deal, it wasn't anything.

[ClydeR]

Again, it wasn't pushed through trial. So the answer is no. It wasn't a plea deal, it wasn't anything.

You are attaching too much significance to the lack of a prior trial. If he was punished, then that is enough to cause double jeopardy. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Jeopardy_Clause

I think the community service was punishment. If not, then what was it? Does the government in Illinois randomly require people to perform community service, or does it just use community service to punish people?

[Tgo01]

You are attaching too much significance to the lack of a prior trial. If he was punished, then that is enough to cause double jeopardy. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Jeopardy_Clause

Read your own link:


Double jeopardy also does not apply if the defendant was never tried from the start. Charges that were dropped or put on hold for any reason can always be reinstated in the future—if not barred by some statute of limitations.

Perhaps I just missed the first trial. Can you please provide a link to said previous trial of Smollett? Or a link to where he accepted a plea deal and pleaded guilty to a crime? Thanks!

Allowing rich people to essentially buy their way out of legal trouble without ever once having to admit guilt is the type of thing we give third world corrupt shitholes shit for. If the courts allow this double jeopardy bullshit claim then we deserve to be the laughing stock of the entire world. No one in the entire world should put any faith in the US justice system. Going by how they treated the largely peaceful protesters of January 6th our justice system is already laughable, this double jeopardy shit would just put the final nail in the coffin.

[Gelston]

You are attaching too much significance to the lack of a prior trial. If he was punished, then that is enough to cause double jeopardy. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Jeopardy_Clause

I think the community service was punishment. If not, then what was it? Does the government in Illinois randomly require people to perform community service, or does it just use community service to punish people?

.... That is the only thing that matters. It isn't double jeopardy if there wasn't a trial. The charges were DROPPED. He didn't plea guilty, he wasn't found not guilty. It doesn't fit with double jeopardy. Stop being such a ClydeR.

[ClydeR]

Read your own link:

You're right that I should have read the Wikipedia article more thoroughly before posting a link to it. How embarrassing. However, the paragraph you quoted from Wikipedia is wrong, and I should have known better than just to assume that a Wikipedia article would be correct. The Double Jeopardy clause prohibits multiple punishments by the government for the same offense regardless of whether or not there was an earlier trial.

[Gelston]

You're right that I should have read the Wikipedia article more thoroughly before posting a link to it. How embarrassing. However, the paragraph you quoted from Wikipedia is wrong, and I should have known better than just to assume that a Wikipedia article would be correct. The Double Jeopardy clause prohibits multiple punishments by the government for the same offense regardless of whether or not there was an earlier trial.

No, double jeopardy means prosecution for the same crime twice. He wasn't prosecuted the first time.

[Methais]

.... That is the only thing that matters. It isn't double jeopardy if there wasn't a trial. The charges were DROPPED. He didn't plea guilty, he wasn't found not guilty. It doesn't fit with double jeopardy. Stop being such a ClydeR.

You're arguing with ClydeR.

[ClydeR]

No, double jeopardy means prosecution for the same crime twice. He wasn't prosecuted the first time.

It could take up to three years for the courts to resolve this case. I suggest we meet right here in this forum in this thread exactly 26,304 hours from the time of this post, which will be on March 18, 2025, when we can see which of us was right.

[LOL BRIELUS]

It could take up to three years for the courts to resolve this case. I suggest we meet right here in this forum in this thread exactly 26,304 hours from the time of this post, which will be on March 18, 2025, when we can see which of us was right.

Tgo was right, jeopardy attaches at jury impanelled, first witness sworn, or plea accepted.

You don't consider the pre trial agreement here as a punishment. It is more like a contract. I do this if you do that.

The fact that the state went back on it would have been a matter of mitigation at sentencing. Unfortunately that was overcome by the defendants unrepentance, probable perjury, and other aggravating factors.

[Bhaalizmo]

TGO1 being batshit crazy seems to think that I'll use Juicy as a defense somehow, in my arguments that I'm not making at all. Because he's fucking batshit crazy. So here you go. Here's the Juicy thread motherfucker. Go ahead. Do your batshit crazy thing.