Needs it's own - Even you far-lefties can't like this.

[Shaps]

https://news.yahoo.com/amazons-ai-po...164552712.html

HOLY FUCK... I was just reading about the Amazon thing and posted that in another thread... not kidding... so I was like well let me google if this insanity has ever been mentioned... because I honestly thought it hadn't been... BUT...

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2021/08/senate-infrastructure-bill-seeks-to-make-breathalyzers-interior-cameras-mandatory/

"Section 13002 of the bill includes a “per-mile user fee pilot” designed to help offset the highway infrastructure money lost via fuel taxes as vehicles become more efficient and/or electrified. Unfortunately the program aims to use connected OBD-II devices, OEM-collected telematic data, smartphone app, and information from insurance companies to effectively allow the government to track your whereabouts 24/7 and set up a payment plan using information you didn’t necessarily give up willingly."

"However, the proposed system may also include driver-monitoring cameras, totally undermining any nobility the cause might otherwise have had."

They're already trying it with this supposed "Infrastructure Bill" under the guise of stopping drunk driving... which of course is utter bullshit, it's just what they say to exploit the situation... Jesus fucking Christ these fuckers seriously want 1984 and all of us under their thumb.

You all that have disagreed with me for months/years... what do you think of that? Is this close enough to home to know that a camera + all digital information in your vehicle will be sent and used by the Government to tax your money and observe you?

Swear the general public, and myself in some cases, don't even realize how bad our Politicians are.

And this thing apparently passed. I guess the people that we elected to vote on things didn't read the full 2,700 pages so now the groundwork legally has been laid for the government to intrude in our lives even more.

Guess now... what's the over/under before they go to have this shit installed in our homes. All for "safety" of course.

[Ardwen]

New Hampshire politicians at some point tried to introduce increased registration fees for more fuel efficient cars, to offset the cost of road maintenance, not a cash grab at all I am sure. It was soundly defeated last time I looked at it, anyway. As vehicles become more connected they like phones will become more useful to both taxing bodies and law enforcement.

[Tgo01]

That's just cray cray.

[Jeril]

They need to do away with vehicle taxes anyway and just tax everyone an extra .1% or whatever to make up for it. Because we as a society benefit from vehicles. It's about as stupid as tying school funding to property taxes.

[ClydeR]

Did you notice the word pilot?

[kutter]

Did you notice the word pilot?

Are you saying that you think it is a pilot program and not permanent? Unless there is a sunset clause built in, the tax will never go away. No politician creates a tax and then voluntarily lets it be removed. Politicians, on both sides, love spending our money.


They need to do away with vehicle taxes anyway and just tax everyone an extra .1% or whatever to make up for it. Because we as a society benefit from vehicles. It's about as stupid as tying school funding to property taxes.

They need to do away with all the crazy forms of taxation and just go to a VAT or better yet a flat tax system. But that will never happen.

[Shaps]

I should have been more clear... taxes are what they are... they are using it, and "safety", as an excuse to backdoor - start the transition to - full tracking and camera recordings of people on their personal time and in their personal spaces.

That's the scary part - at least to me.

[Seran]

Shaps and his Fox News buddies also forgot to mention its voluntary.

[Shaps]

Shaps and his Fox News buddies also forgot to mention its voluntary.

You really are an ignorant partisan jackass. Just stop.

Oh wait.. forgot I already realized this and am supposed to ignore your idiocy.

Let me get back to that.

[Seran]

The Republican party is dying, it's participants are growing old or dying with a bottle of ivermectin in hand, while the young are voting Democrat. I can understand you Republicans need to do something to stay relative, but to lie by omission or to mislead by presenting only half the facts isn't cutting-edge it.

[Parkbandit]

The Republican party is dying, it's participants are growing old or dying with a bottle of ivermectin in hand, while the young are voting Democrat. I can understand you Republicans need to do something to stay relative, but to lie by omission or to mislead by presenting only half the facts isn't cutting-edge it.

Remember in 2015, Backlash made the same claim?

Remind us again in Nov 2022 how "dead" the Republican Party is when it's in control of Congress.

[ClydeR]

Are you saying that you think it is a pilot program and not permanent?

Yes, it is a pilot program. The Transportation Dept. is to recruit volunteers from all 50 states who for a period of three years will test a variety of different methods of measuring distance traveled on public roads. At the conclusion of the program the Transportation Dept. will report to Congress on what worked and what did not and will make recommendations. Congress can then decide what laws, if any, should be passed. If Congress does nothing in response to the report on the pilot program, then there will be no fees or monitoring.

Volunteers will be paid, but I wouldn't expect the payment to be much, probably not enough to make volunteering worthwhile unless you have a civic spirit.

The original article seemed to go out of its way to mislead readers into thinking that the proposed law that will impose a fee and monitoring on everybody. But in fact it only applies to a few test volunteers for three years. Thank goodness you have someone as honest as me in this forum.

Shaps should volunteer and report back to us on his experience! Everybody agree that Shaps will volunteer on behalf of this forum?

[Neveragain]

The Republican party is dying, it's participants are growing old or dying with a bottle of ivermectin in hand, while the young are voting Democrat. I can understand you Republicans need to do something to stay relative, but to lie by omission or to mislead by presenting only half the facts isn't cutting-edge it.

I've been hearing this for over 30 years now, it's simply not true, at all.

The fact is, normal people move to the right when they start having families.

You're not going to see a Democrat president in 2024, electing Biden assured that.

[Tgo01]

The Republican party is dying, it's participants are growing old or dying with a bottle of ivermectin in hand, while the young are voting Democrat. I can understand you Republicans need to do something to stay relative, but to lie by omission or to mislead by presenting only half the facts isn't cutting-edge it.

You idiots have been saying this for as long as I can remember and yet the Republican Party is still winning most state elections and signs show they will most likely take one house of congress next year and possibly both.

[kutter]

“Not to be a socialiste at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head.” - Francois Guizot

Guess I never had a heart but have always had a brain. I can live with that.

[Shaps]

Yes, it is a pilot program. The Transportation Dept. is to recruit volunteers from all 50 states who for a period of three years will test a variety of different methods of measuring distance traveled on public roads. At the conclusion of the program the Transportation Dept. will report to Congress on what worked and what did not and will make recommendations. Congress can then decide what laws, if any, should be passed. If Congress does nothing in response to the report on the pilot program, then there will be no fees or monitoring.

Volunteers will be paid, but I wouldn't expect the payment to be much, probably not enough to make volunteering worthwhile unless you have a civic spirit.

The original article seemed to go out of its way to mislead readers into thinking that the proposed law that will impose a fee and monitoring on everybody. But in fact it only applies to a few test volunteers for three years. Thank goodness you have someone as honest as me in this forum.

Shaps should volunteer and report back to us on his experience! Everybody agree that Shaps will volunteer on behalf of this forum?

I never said it was going into full effect yet. I said they're setting the conditions for it to happen.. and they will try to make it happen. My guess was 10 years or less. If you think the author was trying to mislead... all he was doing was quoting what was in the actual bill.

If you think they'll stop with it as a pilot program, you're more ignorant than I thought.

Just like the "Green New Deal" is really all about the environment. I bet you believe that too.

[~Rocktar~]

I never said it was going into full effect yet. I said they're setting the conditions for it to happen.. and they will try to make it happen. My guess was 10 years or less. If you think the author was trying to mislead... all he was doing was quoting what was in the actual bill.

If you think they'll stop with it as a pilot program, you're more ignorant than I thought.

Just like the "Green New Deal" is really all about the environment. I bet you believe that too.

Nothing more permanent than a temporary government program.

[Seran]

Yes, it is a pilot program. The Transportation Dept. is to recruit volunteers from all 50 states who for a period of three years will test a variety of different methods of measuring distance traveled on public roads. At the conclusion of the program the Transportation Dept. will report to Congress on what worked and what did not and will make recommendations. Congress can then decide what laws, if any, should be passed. If Congress does nothing in response to the report on the pilot program, then there will be no fees or monitoring.

Volunteers will be paid, but I wouldn't expect the payment to be much, probably not enough to make volunteering worthwhile unless you have a civic spirit.

The original article seemed to go out of its way to mislead readers into thinking that the proposed law that will impose a fee and monitoring on everybody. But in fact it only applies to a few test volunteers for three years. Thank goodness you have someone as honest as me in this forum.

Shaps should volunteer and report back to us on his experience! Everybody agree that Shaps will volunteer on behalf of this forum?

You're asking for a lot there. The Conservashits here use up every bit of processing power they have pushing misleading articles they didn't read, about legislation they haven't researched. Apparently it's very tiring spreading misinformation, while trying to appear as if you're not actually supporting it.