Trump Org and Weisselberg Charged with tax evasion [Archive]

time4fun

07-01-2021, 07:38 PM

So this isn't a fun day for anyone involved (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-organization-cfo-allen-weisselberg-plead-not-guilty-tax-charges-n1272889).

The Trump Organization and its chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, were charged Thursday in what prosecutors said was a sweeping, 15-year scheme to compensate top executives of former President Donald Trump's company “off the books” and help them avoid paying taxes.

The Trump Organization pleaded not guilty to charges that included tax fraud and falsifying business records. Weisselberg, 73, pleaded not guilty to grand larceny and tax fraud charges, among others, after prosecutors accused him of personally avoiding taxes on $1.7 million of his income.

Prosecutors say it was an "orchestrated" scheme to compensate executives "off the books" to avoid taxes.

"Contrary to today's assertion by the company's former CEO, this is not a 'standard practice in the business community' nor was it the act of a rogue or isolated employee," Carey Dunne, an assistant district attorney, said in court. "Instead, it was orchestrated by the most senior executives, who were financially benefiting themselves and the company by getting secret pay raises at the expense of state and federal taxpayers."

Tgo01

07-01-2021, 08:13 PM

After years of this dumb shit this is the best they could do?

Do any of you even feel the slightest bit dumb for believing this shit? Remember how "getting Trump's taxes!!!" was going to prove Russian collusion and he was going to jail forever for conspiring with a foreign government?

Now this is what you all have? Some people supposedly didn't pay all of their taxes so of course it was all a "grand scheme" that was "orchestrated" by many people to avoid paying a whole 1.7 million dollars in income?

There is no word in the English language to describe just how pathetic y'all are if you're pretending this is the "bombshell" you've been waiting years for.

Skeletor

07-01-2021, 08:17 PM

They have a weak case. If they are trying flip some guys they have zero evidence on Trump or it's too weak so they're off on a fishing expedition hoping they get lucky.

My question is say they happen to go after him in a year or two but that coincides with the 2024 election run which he campaigns for presumably out on bail.

Wtf happens if he get's convicted but then wins the Presidency?

time4fun

07-01-2021, 08:18 PM

You seem very upset.
Your reading comprehension hasn't improved either it seems

The $1.7m was Wesselberg himself. For context, that's the median lifetime earning for an American.

It does seem like you're arguing here that it's okay for companies and their executives to engage in systemic tax evasion for 15 years. Or that we shouldn't investigate companies when we have evidence that they are engaging in said tax evasion.

Or does that only apply to businesses owned by former Republican presidents?

time4fun

07-01-2021, 08:19 PM

Tgo01

07-01-2021, 08:22 PM

The $1.7m was Wesselberg himself.

Oh goodie! I get to look forward to another 4+ years of “any day now! We just need more of Trump’s taxes to prove even more illegal wrongdoing and Trump himself will be in prison forever!

My God. How easily the media and Democrats play you all for a bunch of suckers.

Tgo01

07-01-2021, 08:24 PM

Interesting. What part of the case feels weak to you?

All of it.

What part seems strong to you? You seem to think that just because prosecutors bring charges that automatically proves guilt. No, wait, you think prosecutors are horrible people when they charge “POC” with crimes, so clearly you just feel prosecutors are beyond reproach when they are bringing charges against your political enemies.

time4fun

07-01-2021, 10:05 PM

Oh goodie! I get to look forward to another 4+ years of “any day now! We just need more of Trump’s taxes to prove even more illegal wrongdoing and Trump himself will be in prison forever!

My God. How easily the media and Democrats play you all for a bunch of suckers.

You keep substituting legal arguments for political ones. Then you accuse other people of being political.

Tgo did you bother reading the indictment (https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/20982368/new-york-v-trump-org-allen-weisselberg.pdf) at all? Or did you decide their case was all made up before you even heard it?

Because that would be playing politics.

GS4Ranger

07-01-2021, 10:43 PM

You keep substituting legal arguments for political ones. Then you accuse other people of being political.

Tgo did you bother reading the indictment (https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/20982368/new-york-v-trump-org-allen-weisselberg.pdf) at all? Or did you decide their case was all made up before you even heard it?

Because that would be playing politics.

Indicting is one thing. Proving and convicting is another. From the charges brought forth, it seems like they are trying to flip him. This seems like a scare tactic, especially including charges about private school tuition and his wife's personal automobile lease. Just my thoughts on it though

Bhaalizmo

07-01-2021, 10:45 PM

time4fun

07-01-2021, 11:23 PM

Indicting is one thing. Proving and convicting is another. From the charges brought forth, it seems like they are trying to flip him. This seems like a scare tactic, especially including charges about private school tuition and his wife's personal automobile lease. Just my thoughts on it though

Did you read what was going on? Wesselberg was having the Trump organization pay for tuition for family members and then asked staff to remove notes indicating that the checks were for him.

Trump Org was keeping a secret set of books tracking what Wesselberg was getting paid that was completely different from the public books. They would decrease his official salary in some instances to compensate, meaning he wasn't paying taxes on that unofficial income and neither were they. Bonuses to him and other execs were being paid by checks cut from other Trump owned organizations so they could be claimed as non-employee compensation so Trump Org could avoid payroll taxes and the execs had a lower tax liability. He even created a retirement account that gave him significant tax benefits he wouldn't have had otherwise.

Wesselberg was writing checks from the Trump org to other employees and having them cash them and hand the cash back to him for personal use to avoid tracking it as compensation. He was submitting- and then approving- expenses from his personal life (and that of his family). Trump Org was buying them flat screen TVs and apartment renovations. For 8 years Wesselberg lied on his taxes about where he lived so he could avoid New York City taxes. Another family member did the same thing for several years in another freebie Trump Org apartment that was filed as a rent expense, not taxable compensation.

And again- to emphasize here- Trump Org was keeping track of every dime he was getting in unofficial books. And Wesselberg- the *CFO* of Trump Org- was lying on his taxes every year and was instructing them to do this stuff.

All in all, he was making about $100k in untaxed income every year as a part of his comp. He avoided about $1m in tax liability. And that doesn't even count the money his family members were getting.

This is absolutely a way to get him to flip. But this was egregious, classic tax evasion directed by the President and CFO of a company that went on for 15 years and involved millions of dollars.

If that's not the kind of tax evasion we investigate and prosecute, then I really don't know what is.

time4fun

07-01-2021, 11:32 PM

Chump is reportedly pleased he's not on the hook. Yet.

Poor Weisselberg.

It's interesting though. There were several points where they directly indicated that Trump knew what was going on. It was very intentional.

But in at least one instance they referred to the President of Trump Org (Trump obv) in one bullet point and then referred to Unindicted Co-Conspirator #1 in another.

Bhaalizmo

07-01-2021, 11:40 PM

It's interesting though. There were several points where they directly indicated that Trump knew what was going on. It was very intentional.

But in at least one instance they referred to the President of Trump Org (Trump obv) in one bullet point and then referred to Unindicted Co-Conspirator #1 in another.

It's going to devolve into a whole bunch of finger pointing at some point. Dump pointing at them, blaming them all for executing his orders, while they all point the finger at him as the director.

GS4Ranger

07-01-2021, 11:46 PM

Did you read what was going on?

The fact that I knew about the private school tuition and his and his wife's automobile lease should give just a hint... maybe a SLIGHT clue, that I read the damn indictment, but go ahead and continue to think I didn't and write a novel about what I already know.

... babbles about what I already know...

Again... this is an indictment meant to bring alleged charges. Which was my whole point. I don't assume guilty because indictments are done. The conviction of those alleged charges is done later, which I know you understand so I don't see why you choose to rebuttal, unless you really don't understand the judicial system. They can indict him on whatever they think will stick, doesn't mean they will get a conviction, which was the point of my whole post. Hold judgement till the process is complete, which is something that people have failed to understand ever since Trump got elected as President and everyone has lost their damn minds.

This is absolutely a way to get him to flip. But this was egregious, classic tax evasion directed by the President and CFO of a company that went on for 15 years and involved millions of dollars.

I agree with the flipping and they will drop the tax evasion charges if they can get him to flip on Trump for something bigger. At this point though... you have to use the word "allegedly", since nothing has been convicted. Indictments =/= convictions. They can draw parallels and connections directly/indirectly all day long, but until they get done with the judicial process, everything is allegedly.

Neveragain

07-02-2021, 01:22 AM

So this isn't a fun day for anyone involved (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-organization-cfo-allen-weisselberg-plead-not-guilty-tax-charges-n1272889).

Don't you think we should start with all the lawmakers that are in the rears on their income tax before we go after private citizens?

Of course not, because Trump is the reason for all the evil in the world.

This will be another big fat nothing burger. Even more suspicious is the MSM struggling for viewers now that they no longer have lies to tell about Trump.

Nothing to say about the senile rich old racist pedophile you put in office?

Of course not, you just want everyone to pay for your family member to become a citizen. Considering you, the richest person on these forums, can't even part with $40 to pay a bet YOU made or pay the people you got to design your ridiculously over priced text garbage.

GTFO pig.

Tgo01

07-02-2021, 06:23 AM

This is absolutely a way to get him to flip.

And you’re unsurprisingly okay with this. They set out with the goal to find crimes they could stick to Trump, came up empty handed, then decided to go after people with bogus charges in an attempt to scare people to give them information so they can continue to look for charges to bring against Trump and you’re like “I am totally okay with this!” Any other person they would have just sued for the damn money back and tacked on a bunch of interest and penalties.

You’re not even being the slightest bit honest with yourself if you're saying this is the outcome you’ve been expecting these past few years. People like you had been convinced by the likes of Rachel Maddow that if only prosecutors could get their hands on Trump’s taxes it would prove all sorts of illegal wrongdoing and Trump would be led away in handcuffs. Now you’re reduced to admitting prosecutors got shit and their only hope hinges on scaring people into cooperating with their continued witch hunt in order to avoid possibly spending the rest of their life in jail.

If these tactics were used against some poor black person you would be screaming bloody murder. But since it’s a political foe of yours you not only admit it’s happening but you cheer it on like the fascist you always knew you were. Even Stalin would have to call bullshit on your antics and the shit you approve of.

Gelston

07-02-2021, 09:16 AM

And you’re unsurprisingly okay with this. They set out with the goal to find crimes they could stick to Trump, came up empty handed, then decided to go after people with bogus charges in an attempt to scare people to give them information so they can continue to look for charges to bring against Trump and you’re like “I am totally okay with this!” Any other person they would have just sued for the damn money back and tacked on a bunch of interest and penalties.

When they are trying to get someone to flip on someone, they usually have something on them. This dude would have one of the most expensive lawyers you can buy. He'd be able to see right through some bullshit. They probably very much have something they think could secure a conviction on what he was charged with.

ClydeR

07-02-2021, 09:19 AM

What part of the case feels weak to you?

This part. Especially the highlighted sentence. Was it improper? Did the defendants really know it was improper? Ignorance of the law is usually a defense in criminal tax cases. If it was a crime, was the crime committed by Weisselberg, the Trump Organization or both?

The rest of the indictment, if true, is cut and dried.

The Misreporting of Employee Compensation as Non-Employee Compensation

15. As a further part of the scheme to defraud, the defendants misreported portions of the employee compensation paid to certain Trump Organization executives, including but not limited to Weisselberg. Specifically, it was the practice of the Trump Organization to compensate certain executives by paying them a yearly salary and a discretionary end-of-year bonus. The salary and, in most instances, a portion of the executives" end-of-year bonuses were paid to the executives by Trump Payroll Corp. and reported to federal, state, and local tax authorities as employee compensation on W-2 forms. However, for Weisselberg and other executives, a substantial portion of their end-of-year bonuses was paid in the form of checks drawn on other Trump Organization entities, including Wollman Rink Operations LLC, Trump International Golf Club LLC, the Mar-a-Lago Club, Trump Productions LLC, VH Property Corp., Trump Las Vegas Development LLC, Tramp CPS LLC, and other entities.

16. The end-of-year bonus checks drawn on entities other than Trump Payroll Corp. were routinely reported to tax authorities as non-employee compensation, and set forth on United States Internal Revenue Service 1099 Forms, which are used to report non-employee compensation. This practice, as the defendants knew, was improper. The end-of-year bonus compensation received by the executives was employee compensation and should have been reported as such. By reporting portions of employees' bonus payments as non-employee compensation, the defendants made it possible for those employees to report the payments as self-employment income.

17. Additionally, by reason of having reported substantial non-employee compensation, Weisselberg was able to make annual contributions to a Keogh plan, which is a tax-deferred pension plan that s available to self-employed individuals for retirement purposes. Weisselberg was not a self-employed individual. But, because he purportedly received substantial non-employee compensation from the entities such as the Mar-a-Lago Club and Wollman Rink Operations LLC, as set forth above, he falsely reported the receipt of self-employment income and thereby falsely claimed that he was entitled to an annual exclusion from his income of amounts contributed to his Keogh plan. The amounts so contributed for the tax years 2012 through 2016 exceeded approximately $215,000, and over the course of the scheme to defraud, Weissclberg was able to build up a Keogh plan worth many hundreds of thousands of dollars. Weisselberg knew that the exclusions from his taxable income of his contributions to his Keogh plan were improper. By falsely reporting that executives including Weisselberg had received non-employee compensation, the defendants enabled Weisselberg to benefit from Keogh contributions that he was not lawfully 'permitted to make, and thereby to defraud federal, state, and local tax authorities.

More... (https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/20982377/indictment.pdf)

It's either weak or the prosecutors are using it to set up something else.

Methais

07-02-2021, 09:47 AM

Alfster

07-02-2021, 09:58 AM

Tgo01

07-02-2021, 04:01 PM

Brain dead Democrats and Never Trumpers such as Alfster 72 hours ago: LOL! Drumpf is going to prison soon! NY has his taxes and everything! LOL LOL LOL!!!

Brain dead Democrats and Never Trumpers such as Alfster now: LOL! Some guy I've never heard of might go to prison but he worked for Trump! LOL LOL! This is what I wanted all along!

Seriously, 7+ months after the election and y'all are still getting played by the same people and you still keep falling for it and ask for more. At what point do you attempt to get your self respect back?

Seran

07-02-2021, 04:11 PM

Yah I think that's why they went after the cfo. He can't feign ignorance to financial laws as a CPA. And he's the one actually making the money transfers, so his fingerprints are all over it

Absolutely the best way to nail the coffin on the kingpin. Cohen has already given the grand jury all that they need, but putting the pressure on Trump's CFO would be just another confirmation witness for what they already know to be true. Trump is a criminal.

Tgo01

07-02-2021, 04:19 PM

Absolutely the best way to nail the coffin on the kingpin. Cohen has already given the grand jury all that they need, but putting the pressure on Trump's CFO would be just another confirmation witness for what they already know to be true. Trump is a criminal.

Okay for realsies this time though: if and when they conclude their investigation and no charges are brought against Trump are you going to finally admit you've been played for the past 6+ years? Or you going to just stick your head in the sand and continue to pretend you're a smart person?

Methais

07-02-2021, 04:22 PM

Okay for realsies this time though: if and when they conclude their investigation and no charges are brought against Trump are you going to finally admit you've been played for the past 6+ years? Or you going to just stick your head in the sand and continue to pretend you're a smart person?

"WE'LL GET HIM NEXT TIME FOR SURE, FOR REAL THIS TIME!! SUPER SERIOUS!!! NEXT TIME WILL BE IT!!!"

I can tell things are really heating up now. Just like all those other times things were really heating up.

They're so desperate to keep him from running in 2024. :lol:

Tgo01

07-02-2021, 04:29 PM

"WE'LL GET HIM NEXT TIME FOR SURE, FOR REAL THIS TIME!! SUPER SERIOUS!!! NEXT TIME WILL BE IT!!!"

It really is sad. For 5+ years now it's been "If only we had his taxes! Then Drumpf will be handcuffed and thrown in jail for ever! LOL LOL!"

NY spent what like 2 years on this investigation, secured 8 years worth of Trump's taxes, and the big bombshell was some guy literally no one had ever heard of his charged with some trumped up crimes?

It's beyond pathetic at this point. It's like their lives revolved around hating on Trump and now with him no longer being president they still have to find reasons to hate on him or else their lives are absolutely meaningless.

Methais

07-02-2021, 04:41 PM

It really is sad. For 5+ years now it's been "If only we had his taxes! Then Drumpf will be handcuffed and thrown in jail for ever! LOL LOL!"

NY spent what like 2 years on this investigation, secured 8 years worth of Trump's taxes, and the big bombshell was some guy literally no one had ever heard of his charged with some trumped up crimes?

It's beyond pathetic at this point. It's like their lives revolved around hating on Trump and now with him no longer being president they still have to find reasons to hate on him or else their lives are absolutely meaningless.

The disappointment and tantrums after is pretty fantastic to witness though.

drauz

07-02-2021, 06:39 PM

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drauz

07-02-2021, 06:40 PM

I think that might be what they're going for.

Will have to see how this turns out.

time4fun

07-02-2021, 06:54 PM

This part. Especially the highlighted sentence. Was it improper? Did the defendants really know it was improper? Ignorance of the law is usually a defense in criminal tax cases. If it was a crime, was the crime committed by Weisselberg, the Trump Organization or both?

The rest of the indictment, if true, is cut and dried.

It's either weak or the prosecutors are using it to set up something else.

There's no feasible way that a CFO of large company can get up and argue ignorance of basic tax law in the Courts.

There's also no legitimate reason why you would pay executive bonuses from another entity, nor any legitimate reason why you would pay employees and then mark that as non-emoyee compensation.

That's the thing about this case- there really are no legitimate defenses to what was going on. They got caught with a separate set of books. That's pretty slam dunk as far as intent goes.

The thing that I don't think has quite occured to some of our friends in this thread yet though is... What are the odds that they kept that separate set of books JUST to record real employee compensation?

Seran

07-02-2021, 07:27 PM

Okay for realsies this time though: if and when they conclude their investigation and no charges are brought against Trump are you going to finally admit you've been played for the past 6+ years? Or you going to just stick your head in the sand and continue to pretend you're a smart person?

I'll admit that be wasn't charged at that point, because that would be a fact. No one's being played, now or previously. He's a criminal, then, now and I doubt he'll change his ways.

Tgo01

07-02-2021, 07:55 PM

I'll admit that be wasn't charged at that point, because that would be a fact.

Oh okay. So "Trump is a criminal" and even with all of the resources of the federal government and all of the resources of the state of NY, and even Trump's taxes that you all were so sure were going to be the smoking gun, and even after Trump isn't charged with a crime yet again you're still gonna say he's a criminal that somehow just escaped justice huh?

Just admit it already, you're being played. Well okay, perhaps you're just too stupid to realize you're being played.

Seran

07-03-2021, 12:53 AM

They're setting up the end game dude. Watch and wait.

Alfster

07-03-2021, 01:41 AM

Brain dead Democrats and Never Trumpers such as Alfster 72 hours ago: LOL! Drumpf is going to prison soon! NY has his taxes and everything! LOL LOL LOL!!!

Brain dead Democrats and Never Trumpers such as Alfster now: LOL! Some guy I've never heard of might go to prison but he worked for Trump! LOL LOL! This is what I wanted all along!

You make so much shit up on your head. I wonder what it's like to live in your world. Seems like an angry place.

Please point to any post in the last 72 hours where I've stated what you claim. I don't think I've even said that in the last 72 months. Lol.

Parkbandit

07-03-2021, 09:19 AM

You know the monumentally stupid people who have been baited for the past 6 years are like

https://media2.giphy.com/media/huJmPXfeir5JlpPAx0/giphy.gif

time4fun

07-03-2021, 12:07 PM

You know the monumentally stupid people who have been baited for the past 6 years are like

https://media2.giphy.com/media/huJmPXfeir5JlpPAx0/giphy.gif

It's funny.

So far you're the only ones who are running around panicking about Trump.

The rest of us are just pointing out a blatant case of tax evasion and corrupt business practices that is likely just the first of a series of indictments we're going to see.

time4fun

07-03-2021, 12:14 PM

Oh okay. So "Trump is a criminal" and even with all of the resources of the federal government and all of the resources of the state of NY, and even Trump's taxes that you all were so sure were going to be the smoking gun, and even after Trump isn't charged with a crime yet again you're still gonna say he's a criminal that somehow just escaped justice huh?

Just admit it already, you're being played. Well okay, perhaps you're just too stupid to realize you're being played.

Tgo I don't think you understand how these kinds of cases work.

No one here knows what else there is, if any, but it's highly unlikely that they would be squeezing Wesselberg so hard while referencing other unindicted co-conspirators, other execs involved, and Trump's own knowledge and participation in some of the incidents outlined in the indictment if they didn't have more to come.

And while it's possible that the blatant tax evasion going on for the execs is the only corrupt part of their business practices, it's not exactly what I would call a safe bet.

And if you could take off the political blinders for a moment, you would see that they were breaking a lot of laws, repeatedly, for 15 years (at least). And they shouldn't be immune from consequences for that just because they work for a former President you happened to have liked.

time4fun

07-03-2021, 12:38 PM

Oops double post

Neveragain

07-03-2021, 01:14 PM

And if you could take off the political blinders for a moment

You wouldn't have even made this thread if not for your political blinders. If you were not wearing political blinders you would have made a thread about the current Pedophile and Chief and his crackhead son.

Fucking pig.

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Ashliana

07-03-2021, 01:31 PM

You wouldn't have even made this thread if not for your political blinders. If you were not wearing political blinders you would have made a thread about the current Pedophile and Chief and his crackhead son.

Fucking pig.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/N8mD0Dy9sQriU/giphy_s.gif

Translation: "REEEEE! Dear Leader's primary business is facing the consequences of its actions!" Best of luck with that BDS, Alwaysracist.

Parkbandit

07-03-2021, 01:52 PM

Oops double post

You do realize you can delete a post..

Ask Ashliana how it's done if you need help. He has had tons of practice here over the years.

Neveragain

07-03-2021, 03:15 PM

Translation: "REEEEE! Dear Leader's primary business is facing the consequences of its actions!" Best of luck with that BDS, Alwaysracist.

If Trump is actually guilty of something, then he's guilty and I will give 0 fucks.

The problem is that you, time4fun and the rest of the alt-leftists on these forums won't call out Biden for all the shit you imagined about Trump for the past 5 years.

Now back to your cell where you belong.

Ashliana

07-03-2021, 03:26 PM

If Trump is actually guilty of something, then he's guilty and I will give 0 fucks.

The problem is that you, time4fun and the rest of the alt-leftists on these forums won't call out Biden for all the shit you imagined about Trump for the past 5 years.

You spent the last few years shitting out non-stop apologetics for things that were true, which you hysterically denied based on wishes and in spite of evidence. Now that the opposite is happening -- right-wing claims without evidence, you're puzzled why legal consequences are only happening for conservatives.

Spoiler Alert: It's related to you linking from a conspiracy site. You're retarded, and don't know how to evaluate sources of information, and even when they continue to let you down, you act confused about why reality isn't what you thought it is. But instead of blaming yourself for your failures, you just REEE! into the wind. Because you're retarded.

Now back to your cell where you belong.

No thanks. Dismantling your profoundly retarded arguments and extracting maximum "REE! The world is changing and I'm a terrified conservative!" butthurt out of you is where I belong.

~Rocktar~

07-03-2021, 03:52 PM

The problem is that you, time4fun and the rest of the alt-leftists on these forums won't call out Biden for all the shit you imagined about Trump for the past 5 years.

They aren't "alt" anything, they have become pretty much the mainstream Left.

You spent the last few years shitting out non-stop apologetics for things that were true, which you hysterically denied based on wishes and in spite of evidence. Now that the opposite is happening -- right-wing claims without evidence, you're puzzled why legal consequences are only happening for conservatives.

And you have spent 5+ years crying about the election and how Hillary was robbed, "not my President" and defending and ignoring hundreds of crimes and terrible things the Left has done all the while ignoring evidence including verified live video and crying about how persecuted you Leftist are in the media.

Spoiler Alert: It's related to you linking from a conspiracy site. You're retarded, and don't know how to evaluate sources of information, and even when they continue to let you down, you act confused about why reality isn't what you thought it is.

Retarded hydroencephlic pot (you), meet kettle. You calling anyone retarded or attacking any source at all is so massively hypocritical that your posts should come with a FB extremist warning label. You still think places like CNN and MSNBC are reputable sources. You even defended posts from them that were proven fake and where they later retracted as fake because of your TDS.

No thanks. Dismantling your profoundly retarded arguments and extracting maximum "REE! The world is changing and I'm a terrified conservative!" butthurt out of you is where I belong.

The only thing you dismantle is the sale of functional retardation and you do that with every post. Congratulations, you set a new record every day when you post proving that the bar for what is considered retardation yet still functional is far too high.

Ashliana

07-03-2021, 04:01 PM

And you have spent 5+ years crying about the election and how Hillary was robbed, "not my President" and defending and ignoring hundreds of crimes and terrible things the Left has done all the while ignoring evidence including verified live video and crying about how persecuted you Leftist are in the media.

You've spent the last few years wishing away evidence that Trump's campaign conspired with Russians, and hysterically railing about nonexistent crimes.

Retarded hydroencephlic pot (you), meet kettle. You calling anyone retarded or attacking any source at all is so massively hypocritical that your posts should come with a FB extremist warning label. You still think places like CNN and MSNBC are reputable sources. You even defended posts from them that were proven fake and where they later retracted as fake because of your TDS.

Now this is an ad hominem fallacy, combined with a whole slew of bullshit you just made up. Feel free to cite any of it, dipshit.

The only thing you dismantle is the sale of functional retardation and you do that with every post. Congratulations, you set a new record every day when you post proving that the bar for what is considered retardation yet still functional is far too high.

Same as above. Zero substance, all rage your reliance on conspiracy sites got pointed out.

time4fun

07-03-2021, 05:54 PM

If Trump is actually guilty of something, then he's guilty and I will give 0 fucks.

The problem is that you, time4fun and the rest of the alt-leftists on these forums won't call out Biden for all the shit you imagined about Trump for the past 5 years.

Now back to your cell where you belong.

You do seem to confuse being acquitted by members of the Republican party with being innocent. And that's a really strange thing to confuse.

Neveragain

07-03-2021, 08:11 PM

You do seem to confuse being acquitted by members of the Republican party with being innocent. And that's a really strange thing to confuse.

This is one of the worst attempts at gas lighting you've made yet.

I'm happy to see you back though. I'm looking forward to the sealioning turn into another man milk event.

time4fun

07-03-2021, 08:45 PM

This is one of the worst attempts at gas lighting you've made yet.

I'm happy to see you back though. I'm looking forward to the sealioning turn into another man milk event.

Which part was gas lighting? Be specific.

You keep making these vague references to things he was accused of and was found innocent of. What were those things?

Again- be specific.

~Rocktar~

07-03-2021, 09:31 PM

You've spent the last few years wishing away evidence that Trump's campaign conspired with Russians, and hysterically railing about nonexistent crimes.

Yeah, sure, you believe that yet refuse to accept that Biden actually did what Trump is accused of on live video. Hypocrite piece of shit.

Now this is an ad hominem fallacy, combined with a whole slew of bullshit you just made up. Feel free to cite any of it, dipshit.

It's only a fallacy is I were arguing/debating with you. I was and am flat out insulting you and you are too fucking retarded to understand the difference.

Same as above. Zero substance, all rage your reliance on conspiracy sites got pointed out.

You, Bhal and time4retrdation saying things does not constitute "pointing out" anything. Keep up the record for most retarded person ever to fake being a semi-functional human being.

OH, and here is your curse. May you live long enough to personally feel the consequences of all the policies you support.

~Rocktar~

07-03-2021, 09:35 PM

You do seem to confuse being acquitted by members of the Republican party with being innocent. And that's a really strange thing to confuse.

As opposed to being convicted in a kangaroo court using falsified evidence and illegal subpoenas that Schiff has still not produced under FOIA yet acquitted by his own party is somehow a political now job? And you have the unmitigated gaul and temerity to talk down to others about political blinders? Fuck off dumb cunt.

BTW: Acquitted: declared not guilty of a specific offense or crime; legally blameless

Ashliana

07-03-2021, 09:44 PM

Yeah, sure, you believe that yet refuse to accept that Biden actually did what Trump is accused of on live video. Hypocrite piece of shit.

:rofl: Are you referring to the official position of the Obama administration, in the furtherance of established American interests, in concert with the international community, that Biden sought to implement, on national TV?

Yeah.. Why would people not consider that the same as Trump trying to pressure a foreign power for political, personal reasons using the power of his office?

Translation: You're an idiot.

It's only a fallacy is I were arguing/debating with you. I was and am flat out insulting you and you are too fucking retarded to understand the difference.

You just demonstrated that you don't know the difference. Spoiler Alert: You may these mistakes virtually every time you try to refer to fallacies. Maybe you shouldn't.

You, Bhal and time4retrdation saying things does not constitute "pointing out" anything. Keep up the record for most retarded person ever to fake being a semi-functional human being.

OH, and here is your curse. May you live long enough to personally feel the consequences of all the policies you support.

Slow, as always, Rocktard. You unironically read and cite InfoWars. Neveragain cites PJMedia. You rely on conspiracy sites, which you're bitter about people mocking. You are an absolute imbecile.

time4fun

07-04-2021, 11:11 PM

As opposed to being convicted in a kangaroo court using falsified evidence and illegal subpoenas that Schiff has still not produced under FOIA yet acquitted by his own party is somehow a political now job? And you have the unmitigated gaul and temerity to talk down to others about political blinders? Fuck off dumb cunt.

BTW: Acquitted: declared not guilty of a specific offense or crime; legally blameless

Actually the Senate trials were the definition of a Kangaroo Court. In both instances the Republican Senators tried to get through it as soon as possible and were going on record telling everyone they wouldn't vote to convict him regardless of what happened in trial. Impeachment is a political process, not a juridical one.

And what false evidence and illegal subpoenas are you talking about? You make these insane blanket statements that are never true, and you act like they're real.

It's really not clear what you're referring to with your Schiff rant, but I'm guessing you mean the Judicial Watch FOIA request for some of the subpoenas issued by his committee.

Apparently what you're not aware of is that the case was dismissed, and that dismissal was held up by the DC Circuit.

And none of it had anything to do with the subpoenas being illegal. I have no idea where you even pulled that out from

Methais

07-05-2021, 09:32 AM

Oops double post

Fun fact: The forums have a DELETE button.

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Methais

07-05-2021, 09:35 AM

Can I help you stress test your dildos?

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Ashliana

07-05-2021, 09:38 AM

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You sure are butthurt that you humiliated yourself in an argument, only to bring up that failure again because you needed to be re-humiliated (is this a fetish of yours?), but let me know when my "simping" for Vishra approaches 1/100,000th of your multiple-times-a-day, basically-every-day simping and white knighting you do for TB.

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Methais

07-05-2021, 09:41 AM

Actually the Senate trials were the definition of a Kangaroo Court. In both instances the Republican Senators tried to get through it as soon as possible and were going on record telling everyone they wouldn't vote to convict him regardless of what happened in trial. Impeachment is a political process, not a juridical one.

And what false evidence and illegal subpoenas are you talking about? You make these insane blanket statements that are never true, and you act like they're real.

It's really not clear what you're referring to with your Schiff rant, but I'm guessing you mean the Judicial Watch FOIA request for some of the subpoenas issued by his committee.

Apparently what you're not aware of is that the case was dismissed, and that dismissal was held up by the DC Circuit.

And none of it had anything to do with the subpoenas being illegal. I have no idea where you even pulled that out from

Remember guys, it's all of you who need to remove your political blinders, not time4fun.

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Ashliana

07-05-2021, 09:43 AM

Remember guys, it's all of you who need to remove your political blinders, not time4fun.

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Remember guys, if you say a thing without demonstrating it, somehow your wishes will come true. Your thoughts and prayers matter!

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Methais

07-05-2021, 09:51 AM

You sure are butthurt that you humiliated yourself in an argument, only to bring up that failure again because you needed to be re-humiliated (is this a fetish of yours?), but let me know when my "simping" for Vishra approaches 1/100,000th of your multiple-times-a-day, basically-every-day simping and white knighting you do for TB.

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There you go again...

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Fun fact: Every time Ashlianus decides that someone "hUmIlIaTeD tHeMsElVeS," his grandma has to change his Pull-Ups.

Ashliana

07-05-2021, 09:57 AM

There you go again...

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Fun fact: Every time Ashlianus decides that someone "hUmIlIaTeD tHeMsElVeS," his grandma has to change his Pull-Ups.

There you go again, deluding yourself into believing that your wishes will somehow reorder the universe to suit your delusions. Much to your dismay, they still lack that power.

How is laughing at you for humiliating yourself by making demonstrably incorrect arguments about New Orleans "projection"?

drauz

07-05-2021, 10:15 AM

They aren't "alt" anything, they have become pretty much the mainstream Left.

And you have spent 5+ years crying about the election and how Hillary was robbed, "not my President" and defending and ignoring hundreds of crimes and terrible things the Left has done all the while ignoring evidence including verified live video and crying about how persecuted you Leftist are in the media.

Retarded hydroencephlic pot (you), meet kettle. You calling anyone retarded or attacking any source at all is so massively hypocritical that your posts should come with a FB extremist warning label. You still think places like CNN and MSNBC are reputable sources. You even defended posts from them that were proven fake and where they later retracted as fake because of your TDS.

The only thing you dismantle is the sale of functional retardation and you do that with every post. Congratulations, you set a new record every day when you post proving that the bar for what is considered retardation yet still functional is far too high.

Tell us more about how the election was a fraud.

Candor

07-05-2021, 10:25 AM

Tell us more about how the election was a fraud.

I don't believe the presidential election was a fraud, but there were a large number of procedural irregularities. We need to be much more selective of people who run and manage elections.

What's the big deal? Take a look at the link here...

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2021/06/29/election-officials-void-latest-new-york-mayoral-count-after-including-test-results-in-tally-1387464

drauz

07-05-2021, 10:33 AM

Solkern

07-05-2021, 10:36 AM

Okay for realsies this time though: if and when they conclude their investigation and no charges are brought against Trump are you going to finally admit you've been played for the past 6+ years? Or you going to just stick your head in the sand and continue to pretend you're a smart person?

Ok, and if they investigate Trump and bring charges against him, are you finally going to admit you’ve been played for 6+ years and admit that Trump is a criminal? Or are you going to stick your head in the sand and continue to pretend you’re a smart person?

time4fun

07-05-2021, 10:38 AM

I don't believe the presidential election was a fraud, but there were a large number of procedural irregularities. We need to be much more selective of people who run and manage elections.

What's the big deal? Take a look at the link here...

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2021/06/29/election-officials-void-latest-new-york-mayoral-count-after-including-test-results-in-tally-1387464

The thing is though, the election results were certified in each state. Part of that process includes an official audit of every single vote.

Our elections officials aren't new to the concept of handling an election. We've built in countless checks to make sure we catch any issues.

The article you sent is case and point. Yes there was a mistake, but we have thorough checks that spotted and corrected for it.

Irregularities are going to happen when you have elections at this scale. But there's no evidence of serious irregularities, nor evidence of a particularly large number of them.

And no one has found any evidence of anything that wasn't caught in an audit.

This may have been the first year a lot of Republicans started learning about how elections work in this country, but the nation as a whole has been doing this for a very long time, and we know what we're doing.

Candor

07-05-2021, 10:48 AM

The thing is though, the election results were certified in each state. Part of that process includes an official audit of every single vote.

Our elections officials aren't new to the concept of handling an election. We've built in countless checks to make sure we catch any issues.

The article you sent is case and point. Yes there was a mistake, but we have thorough checks that spotted and corrected for it.

Irregularities are going to happen when you have elections at this scale. But there's no evidence of serious irregularities, nor evidence of a particularly large number of them.

And no one has found any evidence of anything that wasn't caught in an audit.

This may have been the first year a lot of Republicans started learning about how elections work in this country, but the nation as a whole has been doing this for a very long time, and we know what we're doing.

Again, I am not saying there was sufficient election fraud to change the Presidential election outcome. In fact, I believe the amount of fraud (most of which was people voting 2-3 times) was very low.

But there were many procedural irregularities - a few of them serious (such as the election judge who dismissed the official observers stating that the count was done for the day, and once they left told the workers to finish the count).

At the very least training needs to be improved in states where there were significant issues.

As for the article pointed by my link, such an issue should just not happen at all. Somewhere there was a significant quality control issue. I assume it will be fixed.

time4fun

07-05-2021, 10:51 AM

Ok, and if they investigate Trump and bring charges against him, are you finally going to admit you’ve been played for 6+ years and admit that Trump is a criminal? Or are you going to stick your head in the sand and continue to pretend you’re a smart person?

He already knows Trump is a liar and a crook. Just as he knows that Trump is vicious and has no compunctions about hurting "his enemies".

Tgo, like several other of our more conservative PC friends, is driven by grievance politics. They WANT someone to break the law: to lie; cheat; and steal. They want someone to hurt their "enemies". (Fellow citizens)

Because in their minds, democracy was hijacked by liberals (Read: minorities, women, immigrants, queer people, etc), and "their" country was stolen from them. They're feeling increasingly outnumbered, and that makes a free, democratic society a lot less palateable.

They don't want a Biden who will continue to follow the laws of the land, who will continue to promote open access to elections, and who wants to help everyone (including their "enemies") succeed.

They want someone who is willing to do whatever it takes- no matter how corrupt or anti-democratic- to keep them in political power.

That's why his supporters became more fervent the more Trump was accused of breaking the law and of engaging in blatant political corruption. To them it felt like freedom.

~Rocktar~

07-05-2021, 10:54 AM

The thing is though, the election results were certified in each state. Part of that process includes an official audit of every single vote.

Our elections officials aren't new to the concept of handling an election. We've built in countless checks to make sure we catch any issues.

The article you sent is case and point. Yes there was a mistake, but we have thorough checks that spotted and corrected for it.

Irregularities are going to happen when you have elections at this scale. But there's no evidence of serious irregularities, nor evidence of a particularly large number of them.

And no one has found any evidence of anything that wasn't caught in an audit.

This may have been the first year a lot of Republicans started learning about how elections work in this country, but the nation as a whole has been doing this for a very long time, and we know what we're doing.

Blah blah blah, sunny how you are all for how the system supposedly works when it works for you and yet Trump was acquitted and you had a fucking cow. Yet somehow, you have the ability to come here and accuse others of hypocrisy and playing politics and how unfair that is. Shut the fuck up you hypocritical Leftist piece of shit.

drauz

07-05-2021, 11:00 AM

Blah blah blah, sunny how you are all for how the system supposedly works when it works for you and yet Trump was acquitted and you had a fucking cow. Yet somehow, you have the ability to come here and accuse others of hypocrisy and playing politics and how unfair that is. Shut the fuck up you hypocritical Leftist piece of shit.

The guy who laughed and tried to make fun of people for saying "Not my President" now thinks the last election was a fraud and is basically saying the republican version of "Not my President". You're a piece of shit who only consumes news he wants to hear. You are literally what you complain about just on the Republican side.

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Neveragain

07-05-2021, 11:35 AM

Ok, and if they investigate Trump and bring charges against him, are you finally going to admit you’ve been played for 6+ years and admit that Trump is a criminal?

If he's found guilty and not acquitted.

Not sure why this is so hard....

time4fun

07-05-2021, 11:39 AM

Again, I am not saying there was sufficient election fraud to change the Presidential election outcome. In fact, I believe the amount of fraud (most of which was people voting 2-3 times) was very low.

But there were many procedural irregularities - a few of them serious (such as the election judge who dismissed the official observers stating that the count was done for the day, and once they left told the workers to finish the count).

At the very least training needs to be improved in states where there were significant issues.

As for the article pointed by my link, such an issue should just not happen at all. Somewhere there was a significant quality control issue. I assume it will be fixed.

You and I don't often agree, but you're clearly thoughtful about your positions. In fact, I find your responses far more useful for understanding "the other side" than I do most posters here. So I'm hoping you can help me out with some perspective.

For those of us who aren't Republicans, hearing the constant drumbeat of stolen elections/elections fraud/widespread irregularities on the right is flabbergasting honestly.

We have a recorded call where Trump called up Georgia and told them to change the vote tally. "Find the votes" "Find the Fraud". He was sowing doubt about the election results far before the election happened (and he did it for every election). He organized a rally of militant supporters, told them they were at war, and set them loose on Congress

Congressional Republicans tried to overturn the election results not that long ago. And for years, we've watched them pass laws that heavily restrict the number of acceptable IDs you can use to vote (especially things like college IDs which tend to result in , substantially decreasing early voting periods, and making it harder to vote by mail. We've seen them close the polls on Sundays specifically- which is when Souls to the Polls happens.

Republican state officials have closed thousands of polling locations- targeting urban areas and minority communities by a factor of like 10:1 I believe. They purge voter registration rolls- particularly in democratic leaning areas. Georgia tried to do that *during early voting* last election. You're not notified when you're purged by the way. Your ballot is just rejected.

There was a pandemic that resulted in over 600k dead Americans (and counting), and Republicans were suing states who were trying to let more people vote by mail so they didn't have to risk their lives and didn't end up creating another COVID wave. They were willing to let Americans die in hopes of keeping low propensity voters out of the election.

When we look at that (not just us- international elections observers)- that's where we see the real fraud. It's a systematic attempt to make it harder for people to vote if they're suspected of not voting for the party in power.

But then we hear people complaining about these supposed widespread or significant irregularities that no one can find. Or these millions of undocumented people somehow managing to vote (which is virtually impossible, and no undocumented immigrant would ever risk going to prison or being kicked out of the country to cast a single vote out of hundreds of millions).

How do you square all of this? I'm genuinely curious. If you're worried about keeping free and fair elections- why aren't you worried about what the people you're voting for are doing right now to keep people from voting?

Methais

07-05-2021, 02:11 PM

I already know Biden is a liar and a crook. Just as I know that Biden is weak and frail but has no compunctions about hurting "his enemies".

Me, like several other of our more liberal PC friends, are driven by identity politics and mental illness. We WANT to break the law: to lie; cheat; and steal. We want someone to hurt our "enemies". (Fellow citizens)

Because in our minds, democracy was hijacked by conservatives (Read: white people who we disagree with, people who have jobs and work for a living, etc), and "our" country was stolen from us. Our media allies are increasingly outnumbering theirs, and that makes a free, democratic society a lot less palateable.

We want a Biden who will do whatever his handlers tell him to do, and who will be easy to replace by midterms.

We want someone who is willing to do whatever it takes- no matter how corrupt or anti-democratic- to keep us in political power.

That's why his supporters became more unhinged the more Biden was accused of breaking the law and of engaging in blatant political corruption. To us it felt like freedom.

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Methais

07-05-2021, 02:15 PM

Ashliana

07-05-2021, 02:22 PM

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You're awfully upset today. You do realize nobody made you bullshit non-stop and humiliate yourself, right?

Ashliana

07-05-2021, 02:27 PM

You and I don't often agree, but you're clearly thoughtful about your positions. In fact, I find your responses far more useful for understanding "the other side" than I do most posters here. So I'm hoping you can help me out with some perspective.

For those of us who aren't Republicans, hearing the constant drumbeat of stolen elections/elections fraud/widespread irregularities on the right is flabbergasting honestly.
Remember when you went on for 4 years about how Trump stole the election from Hillary though?

Do you remember that?

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No one's surprised you don't know the difference. That difference being evidence. Since you, as a deluded imbecile, have demonstrated that you believe evidence just means "what Methais wishes were the case," like when you bullshitted non-stop about New Orleans, then were Big Mad when you fell on your face, totally unprompted, for absolutely no reason.

Similarly, you not understanding why Trump's 2020 campaign's dozens of lawsuits ended in hilarious, spectacular failure ... since there was never any -- what's that word, again? -- evidence, surprises no one. And you just spent 4 years wishing away evidence that Trump's campaign solicited and welcomed the support of Russians.

Keep on being confused, though, Methais.

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Methais

07-05-2021, 02:36 PM

You're awfully upset today. You do realize nobody made you bullshit non-stop and humiliate yourself, right?

I'm mad that I'm so gullible and got duped about Russia for 4 years!!!!!!!!!!

Speaking of upset, you're so upset that you're dragging shit into the game now. :lol:

Lady Ashliana just arrived.

(OOC) Ashliana's player whispers, "Destroyed again. :)."

Lady Ashliana just went out.

It's a shame* that you have to delude yourself so hard to prevent yourself from dropping a toaster in the bath tub with you. Which would be the first time you've been in a bath tub in years, but that's beside the point.

*A shame for your grandma that is, because she has to deal with you in real life on a daily basis in the meantime.

lolololololololol @ you dragging your whining in game though

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Ashliana

07-05-2021, 02:40 PM

Speaking of upset, you're so upset that you're dragging shit into the game now.

Lady Ashliana just arrived.

(OOC) Ashliana's player whispers, "Destroyed again. :)."

Lady Ashliana just went out.

I just wanted to provoke you -- sorry, "manipulate" you -- into responding quickly. Goal accomplished. :)

It's a shame* that you have to delude yourself so hard to prevent yourself from dropping a toaster in the bath tub with you. Which would be the first time you've been in a bath tub in years, but that's beside the point.

*A shame for your grandma that is, because she has to deal with you in real life on a daily basis in the meantime.

lolololololololol @ you dragging your whining in game though

Another mountain of projection. Nice. Spoiler Alert: Remember those "identity politics and mental illness" you accused Vishra of having -- without a shred of self-awareness, shame or irony? What do you believe you being forced to wish away the Trump campaign's solicitation and acceptance of Russian aid would be? Gasp!

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Methais

07-05-2021, 02:55 PM

I just wanted to provoke you -- sorry, "manipulate" you -- into responding quickly. Goal accomplished. :)

"I was only pretending to be mentally unhinged guys!" -Ashlianus

Since I've been afk in the east tower for the past hour or so, you probably ran in and out 47289034 times doing it, thinking you "won" something again like a huge retard. I just happened to tab back over shortly after you last ran off to go shit your pants somewhere. :lol:

I'm so mad that we still haven't gotten Trump yet even after 4 years of Russia going nowhere and now I'm scared that he's gonna run again in 2024!!!!!!

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Ashliana

07-05-2021, 03:05 PM

"I was only pretending to be mentally unhinged guys!" -Ashlianus

Since I've been afk in the east tower for the past hour or so, you probably ran in and out 47289034 times doing it, thinking you "won" something again like a huge retard. I just happened to tab back over shortly after you last ran off to go shit your pants somewhere.

You responded within minutes, and I got you to whine about it, so again, mission accomplished. The rest is just your continued reliance on fantasy.

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Methais

07-05-2021, 03:26 PM

You responded within minutes

Translation: "I don't understand what 'I just happened to tab back over shortly after you last ran off to go shit your pants somewhere.' means."

Helpful hint: Had I not happened to tab back over when I did, I wouldn't have ever known about you shitting your pants in game to begin with.

and got you to whine about it, so again, mission accomplished. The rest is just your continued reliance on fantasy.

The only whining happening is you whining about me laughing at you for being unhinged enough to take PC drama in game in the first place.

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Chances are you logged out right after anyway, since if I was unhinged like you are to start dragging out of game shit in game, you'd just be dead instead, followed by you crying to GMs about it immediately after.

Fortunately though, unlike you, I can separate in game from out of game. The fact that you can't is very entertaining, but not surprising, as you have enough trouble separating real life from your deluded fantasy "I'm a princess" life.

The best part is the fact that you used to be able to separate the two, but now you've gotten so unhinged that you are no longer capable of this...

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Ashliana

07-05-2021, 03:34 PM

Translation: "I don't understand what 'I just happened to tab back over shortly after you last ran off to go shit your pants somewhere.' means."

Helpful hint: Had I not happened to tab back over when I did, I wouldn't have ever known about you shitting your pants in game to begin with.

Translation: "I don't understand that 'I just happened to tab back over shortly after you last ran off' is just ego-soothing nonsense that can't be demonstrated, and wishes don't constitute evidence."

Helpful hint: 1) You responded within minutes. 2) I got you to cry about it. Those are the only mutually known facts, no matter HOW hilariously butthurt you get about it.

The only whining happening is you whining about me laughing at you for being unhinged enough to take PC drama in game in the first place.

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Except for that whining that you've gone on about how many times now? Yeah. Self-awareness and Methais go together like oil and water, though, so that's no surprise.

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Chances are you logged out right after anyway, since if I was unhinged like you are to start dragging out of game shit in game, you'd just be dead instead, followed by you crying to GMs about it immediately after.

Fortunately though, unlike you, I can separate in game from out of game. The fact that you can't is very entertaining, but not surprising.

The best part is the fact that you used to be able to separate the two, but now you've gotten so unhinged that you are no longer capable of this...

The best part is you trying to soothe your bruised ego with "my Gemstone character could beat up your Gemstone character!"

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Keep working on those rage issues, Methais. You'll be able to move beyond having fallen on your face, hard, totally unprompted one of these days if you keep that chin up.

time4fun

07-05-2021, 08:06 PM

Remember when you went on for 4 years about how Trump stole the election from Hillary though?

Do you remember that?

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Literally no

Neveragain

07-06-2021, 01:08 AM

Speaking of upset, you're so upset that you're dragging shit into the game now. :lol:

Lady Ashliana just arrived.

(OOC) Ashliana's player whispers, "Destroyed again. :)."

Lady Ashliana just went out.

It's a shame* that you have to delude yourself so hard to prevent yourself from dropping a toaster in the bath tub with you. Which would be the first time you've been in a bath tub in years, but that's beside the point.

*A shame for your grandma that is, because she has to deal with you in real life on a daily basis in the meantime.

lolololololololol @ you dragging your whining in game though

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I believe that's considered harassment by GS standards.

Using the (OOC) puts a cherry on top of the insanity fruit cake.

Morning coffee just got 10x better.

Tgo01

07-06-2021, 03:05 AM

Literally no

You didn’t engage in the Russian collusion conspiracy theory? Spare us the bullshit.

nocturnix

07-06-2021, 03:37 AM

So this isn't a fun day for anyone involved (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-organization-cfo-allen-weisselberg-plead-not-guilty-tax-charges-n1272889).

Maybe it is, maybe it isnt. But it's definately a fun day for millions of people who want to see justice served on the worst, and most corrupt president in US history.

Neveragain

07-06-2021, 03:58 AM

Maybe it is, maybe it isnt. But it's definately a fun day for millions of people who want to see justice served on the worst, and most corrupt president in US history.

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Bryce

07-06-2021, 06:37 AM

Sadly the IRS is so corrupt they don’t follow or abide by any rules. If fairness mattered, we wouldn’t even have an IRS.

time4fun

07-06-2021, 09:56 AM

Sadly the IRS is so corrupt they don’t follow or abide by any rules. If fairness mattered, we wouldn’t even have an IRS.

I don't know that the IRS is corrupt so much as starved for funds- specifically for their audit programs.

That's all Congress, and it's definitely not an accident

~Rocktar~

07-06-2021, 10:14 AM

I don't know that the IRS is corrupt so much as starved for funds- specifically for their audit programs.

That's all Congress, and it's definitely not an accident

Obama used them to suppress his political enemies. That's corrupt.

Ashliana

07-06-2021, 10:31 AM

Literally noYou didn’t engage in the Russian collusion conspiracy theory? Spare us the bullshit.

Oh, you mean the proven beyond any doubt solicitation and acceptance of Russian aid, that you've been forced to characterize as a "conspiracy theory" based solely on your wishes, and party-over-country tribalism?

That shit's why you're in a cult, Dreaven.

Obama used them to suppress his political enemies. That's corrupt.

No, he didn't. The Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration, which has been run by a George W. Bush appointee since 2004, during Trump's presidency, found that the IRS also targeted various left-wing groups with inappropriate scrutiny (https://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2017reports/201710054fr.pdf), such as ACORN. Neither constituted executive-spurred "suppression." You are a deluded imbecile.

Neveragain

07-06-2021, 10:46 AM

Obama used them to suppress his political enemies. That's corrupt.

Careful, Rocktar. Assliana has moved up to stalking people beyond these forums.

Neveragain

07-06-2021, 10:48 AM

I don't know that the IRS is corrupt so much as starved for funds- specifically for their audit programs.

My heart is broken.

Ashliana

07-06-2021, 10:52 AM

Careful, Rocktar. Assliana has moved up to stalking people beyond these forums.

Best of luck with those wishes, Alwaysracist.

time4fun

07-06-2021, 01:33 PM

Obama used them to suppress his political enemies. That's corrupt.

Uh huh.

Links to non-partisan sources?

You love to make these insane claims, but you never have actual evidence to back them up. They're beliefs you hold, not factual statements based on reality.

Alfster

07-06-2021, 02:10 PM

In rocktards mind, Obama started serving in 2004.

In late September 2017, an exhaustive report by the Treasury Department's inspector general found that from 2004 to 2013, the IRS used both conservative and liberal keywords to choose targets for further scrutiny, blunting claims that the issue had been an Obama-era partisan scandal.[2][3] The 115 page report confirmed the findings of the prior 2013 report that some conservative organizations had been unfairly targeted, but also found that the pattern of misconduct had been ongoing since 2004 and was non-partisan in nature.

Alfster

07-06-2021, 02:12 PM

Uh huh.

Links to non-partisan sources?

You love to make these insane claims, but you never have actual evidence to back them up. They're beliefs you hold, not factual statements based on reality.

It usually has the smallest grain of truth to it. Like he hears a out something one time, flips out before the truth of the situation is made - and his sources never show the outcome.

It's insane how easily people like him fall for propaganda. Remember, this is the same retard who screams fake news...but spreads it himself. Lol

Bryce

07-06-2021, 02:56 PM

Ashliana

07-06-2021, 03:07 PM

The entire concept of the IRS is corrupt and unconstitutional. It doesn’t matter that both Republicans and Democrats abuse that power. Our tax system is one of the most corrupt systems in the world.

Our tax code is terrible, but how is the IRS "unconstitutional"? The 16th amendment expressly authorizes the collection of income tax.

Bryce

07-06-2021, 03:09 PM

Our tax code is terrible, but how is the IRS "unconstitutional"? The 16th amendment expressly authorizes the collection of income tax.

It directly violates the 5th amendment. The government is stealing from all citizens.

Parkbandit

07-06-2021, 03:29 PM

It's insane how easily people like him fall for propaganda. Remember, this is the same retard who screams fake news...but spreads it himself. Lol

It's like you completely forgot how you acted for the past 5 years....

LOL BRIELUS

07-06-2021, 05:00 PM

It directly violates the 5th amendment. The government is stealing from all citizens.

interesting proposition. I am curious to hear more of your legal authority/rationale that counters the IRS's position on this issue. This is what the IRS says about that: https://www.irs.gov/privacy-disclosure/the-truth-about-frivolous-tax-arguments-section-i-d-to-e#D3

3. Contention: Federal income taxes constitute a “taking” of property without due process of law, violating the Fifth Amendment.
Some individuals or groups assert that the collection of federal income taxes constitutes a “taking” of property without due process of law, in violation of the Fifth Amendment. Thus, any attempt by the IRS to collect federal income taxes owed by a taxpayer is unconstitutional.

The Law: The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that a person shall not be “deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law . . . .” The United States Supreme Court stated that “it is . . . well settled that [the Fifth Amendment] is not a limitation upon the taxing power conferred upon Congress by the Constitution; in other words, that the Constitution does not conflict with itself by conferring, upon the one hand, a taxing power, and taking the same power away, on the other, by the limitations of the due process clause.” Brushaber v. Union Pacific R.R., 240 U.S. 1, 24 (1916). Further, the Supreme Court has upheld the constitutionality of the summary administrative procedures contained in the Internal Revenue Code against due process challenges on the basis that a post-collection remedy (e.g., a tax refund suit) exists and is sufficient to satisfy the requirements of constitutional due process. Phillips v. Commissioner, 283 U.S. 589, 595-97 (1931).

The Internal Revenue Code provides methods to ensure due process to taxpayers: (1) the “refund method,” set forth in section 7422(e) and 28 U.S.C. §§ 1341 and 1346(a), in which a taxpayer must pay the full amount of the tax and then sue for a refund in a federal district court or in the United States Court of Federal Claims; and (2) the “deficiency method,” set forth in section 6213(a), in which a taxpayer may, without paying the contested tax, petition the United States Tax Court to redetermine a tax deficiency asserted by the IRS. Courts have found that both methods provide constitutional due process.

In Rev. Rul. 2005-19 2005-1 C.B. 819 and in Notice 2010-33, 2010-17 I.R.B. 609, the IRS discussed this frivolous argument in more detail and warned taxpayers of the consequences of attempting to pursue a claim on these grounds.

For a discussion of frivolous tax arguments made in collection due process cases arising under sections 6320 and 6330, see Section II of this outline.

Relevant Case Law:

Flora v. United States, 362 U.S. 145, 175 (1960) – the Supreme Court held that a taxpayer must pay the full tax assessment before being able to file a refund suit in district court, noting that a person has the right to appeal an assessment to the Tax Court “without paying a cent.”

Taliaferro v. Freeman, 595 F.App’x 961, 962-63 (11th Cir. 2014) - ordering sanctions against the taxpayer up to and including double the government’s costs, the 11th Circuit held that the taxpayer’s contention that IRS levies violate the Fifth Amendment right to due process was “simply without merit” and did not even warrant discussion,.

Schiff v. United States, 919 F.2d 830 (2d Cir. 1990) – the 2nd Circuit rejected a due process claim of a taxpayer who chose not to avail himself of the opportunity to appeal a deficiency notice to the Tax Court.

Obrien v. Green, 114 A.F.T.R.2d (RIA) 2014-5613 (E.D. Va. 2014) – the court rejected as frivolous the taxpayer’s claim that an IRS levy violated the Fifth Amendment.

Other Cases: Lund v. Chase Bank, 114 A.F.T.R.2d (RIA) 2014-5613 (D. Or. 2014); Rivas v. Commissioner, T.C. Memo. 2016-158, 112 T.C.M. (CCH) 247 (2016), appeal dismissed sub nom. Rivas v. Commissioner, No. 16-16365-C, 2017 WL 4842564 (11th Cir. Aug. 15, 2017).

Alfster

07-06-2021, 08:08 PM

It's like you completely forgot how you acted for the past 5 years....

At least I'm not peddling fake news.

You can be cool with the campaign handing over your data to Russia, but I'm certainly not. You can be cool with them trying to get info on their opponent from a foreign entity, but I am not.

Ethics is still a thing, even if not a crime. In the MAGA world, ethics is simply laughed at.

Neveragain

07-06-2021, 08:13 PM

Ashliana

07-06-2021, 08:20 PM

https://arizonadailyindependent.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/RACHEL-MADDOW-RUSSIA-NEWS.png

Actual footage of Alwaysracist when confronted by mountains of evidence the Trump campaign solicited and welcomed the aid of Russian agents:

https://www.indiewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Screen-Shot-2018-12-27-at-10.28.15-AM.png?resize=800,515

time4fun

07-07-2021, 12:00 AM

interesting proposition. I am curious to hear more of your legal authority/rationale that counters the IRS's position on this issue. This is what the IRS says about that: https://www.irs.gov/privacy-disclosure/the-truth-about-frivolous-tax-arguments-section-i-d-to-e#D3

3. Contention: Federal income taxes constitute a “taking” of property without due process of law, violating the Fifth Amendment.
Some individuals or groups assert that the collection of federal income taxes constitutes a “taking” of property without due process of law, in violation of the Fifth Amendment. Thus, any attempt by the IRS to collect federal income taxes owed by a taxpayer is unconstitutional.

The Law: The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that a person shall not be “deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law . . . .” The United States Supreme Court stated that “it is . . . well settled that [the Fifth Amendment] is not a limitation upon the taxing power conferred upon Congress by the Constitution; in other words, that the Constitution does not conflict with itself by conferring, upon the one hand, a taxing power, and taking the same power away, on the other, by the limitations of the due process clause.” Brushaber v. Union Pacific R.R., 240 U.S. 1, 24 (1916). Further, the Supreme Court has upheld the constitutionality of the summary administrative procedures contained in the Internal Revenue Code against due process challenges on the basis that a post-collection remedy (e.g., a tax refund suit) exists and is sufficient to satisfy the requirements of constitutional due process. Phillips v. Commissioner, 283 U.S. 589, 595-97 (1931).

The Internal Revenue Code provides methods to ensure due process to taxpayers: (1) the “refund method,” set forth in section 7422(e) and 28 U.S.C. §§ 1341 and 1346(a), in which a taxpayer must pay the full amount of the tax and then sue for a refund in a federal district court or in the United States Court of Federal Claims; and (2) the “deficiency method,” set forth in section 6213(a), in which a taxpayer may, without paying the contested tax, petition the United States Tax Court to redetermine a tax deficiency asserted by the IRS. Courts have found that both methods provide constitutional due process.

In Rev. Rul. 2005-19 2005-1 C.B. 819 and in Notice 2010-33, 2010-17 I.R.B. 609, the IRS discussed this frivolous argument in more detail and warned taxpayers of the consequences of attempting to pursue a claim on these grounds.

For a discussion of frivolous tax arguments made in collection due process cases arising under sections 6320 and 6330, see Section II of this outline.

Relevant Case Law:

Flora v. United States, 362 U.S. 145, 175 (1960) – the Supreme Court held that a taxpayer must pay the full tax assessment before being able to file a refund suit in district court, noting that a person has the right to appeal an assessment to the Tax Court “without paying a cent.”

Taliaferro v. Freeman, 595 F.App’x 961, 962-63 (11th Cir. 2014) - ordering sanctions against the taxpayer up to and including double the government’s costs, the 11th Circuit held that the taxpayer’s contention that IRS levies violate the Fifth Amendment right to due process was “simply without merit” and did not even warrant discussion,.

Schiff v. United States, 919 F.2d 830 (2d Cir. 1990) – the 2nd Circuit rejected a due process claim of a taxpayer who chose not to avail himself of the opportunity to appeal a deficiency notice to the Tax Court.

Obrien v. Green, 114 A.F.T.R.2d (RIA) 2014-5613 (E.D. Va. 2014) – the court rejected as frivolous the taxpayer’s claim that an IRS levy violated the Fifth Amendment.

Other Cases: Lund v. Chase Bank, 114 A.F.T.R.2d (RIA) 2014-5613 (D. Or. 2014); Rivas v. Commissioner, T.C. Memo. 2016-158, 112 T.C.M. (CCH) 247 (2016), appeal dismissed sub nom. Rivas v. Commissioner, No. 16-16365-C, 2017 WL 4842564 (11th Cir. Aug. 15, 2017).

Yeah this.

There's sort of a history of YouTube conservative civics that tells people the IRS is unconstitutional. But the claim has no merit. It doesn't even make sense.

A country can't run without taxes. That's why no one ever creates a country that is barred from collecting them: it would doom that country to fail.

That includes our founders.

Bryce

07-07-2021, 12:14 AM

Yeah this.

There's sort of a history of YouTube conservative civics that tells people the IRS is unconstitutional. But the claim has no merit. It doesn't even make sense.

A country can't run without taxes. That's why no one ever creates a country that is barred from collecting them: it would doom that country to fail.

That includes our founders.

Lincoln founded the IRS to pay for a war. The Founding fathers (dead for 100 years)would call him a retard in regards to the creation and principles the IRS maintains.

Yes we need tax and a Flat tax is fair for all, would work without all the unconstitutional departments in the government and their retarded spending, and did I mention fair for all? This includes both sides as they are both retarded. Without term limits in congress it will be the same bullshit we have dealt with over the last 20 years. The Supreme Court has ruled several times both ways. Like my bother always says “ya can’t fix stupid” and the stupid levels in Congress right now is at a record high.

time4fun

07-07-2021, 12:15 AM

At least I'm not peddling fake news.

You can be cool with the campaign handing over your data to Russia, but I'm certainly not. You can be cool with them trying to get info on their opponent from a foreign entity, but I am not.

Ethics is still a thing, even if not a crime. In the MAGA world, ethics is simply laughed at.

Yeah...The Mueller report pretty much confirmed everything that had been reported on in terms of improper contact between the Trump campaign and Russia's intelligence services. It also pointed out new ones that hadn't been previously reported on. (Remember our MAGA loving friends on this forum started calling CNN, NYT, WashPo, etc "fake news" because of their reporting on these improper contacts...which turned out to be absolutely accurate)

We also know the Mueller investigation was severely limited in scope. They were only allowed to look at Russian election interference and the Trump campaign's possible involvement with that. The report made it very clear that there were numerous, improper contacts between the campaign and the Russian government, but they didn't find enough evidence that the campaign was directly involved in coordinating the actual attacks to indict on criminal conspiracy charges. Basically it was clear that the campaign was happily talking to the Russians, literally providing them with comprehensive polling data, was made up of people with significant financial and political ties to the Russian government and oligarchs, constantly met with cutouts of the Russian intelligence agency, and was happily benefitting from the Russian attacks, but there wasn't enough evidence that they were working with the Russian government during the initial hacks and such. In part because Trump's legal team was offering pardons to people like Manafort if they stopped talking to investigators.

There were also quite a few people convicted of lying to investigators and Congress, by the way. You don't risk those charges unless you know that the truth would land you in a much worse situation.

And finally, Trump's own personal AND financial ties to Russia were also specifically prohibited from being investigated. So he was by no means exonerated.

So this fantasy that conservatives are running around spouting- that somehow Trump and his campaign were found innocent of illicit cooperation with the Russian government while running a political campaign is utter nonsense. He wasn't really investigated, he was trading Pardons for silence, and multiple members of the campaign were confirmed to have had improper contacts with a foreign adversary.

Neveragain

07-07-2021, 12:24 AM

Neveragain

07-07-2021, 12:35 AM

He wasn't really investigated

https://media4.giphy.com/media/1AIeYgwnqeBUxh6juu/giphy.gif

They only spent 2+ years investigating.

time4fun

07-07-2021, 12:55 AM

Lincoln founded the IRS to pay for a war. The Founding fathers (dead for 100 years)would call him a retard in regards to the creation and principles the IRS maintains.

Yes we need tax and a Flat tax is fair for all, would work without all the unconstitutional departments in the government and their retarded spending, and did I mention fair for all? This includes both sides as they are both retarded. Without term limits in congress it will be the same bullshit we have dealt with over the last 20 years. The Supreme Court has ruled several times both ways. Like my bother always says “ya can’t fix stupid” and the stupid levels in Congress right now is at a record high.

Again, the IRS isn't unconstitutional. There are many independent agencies that were created by Act of Congress (Lincoln signed the bill into law, but only Congress had the power to establish the IRS). The IRS is no more unconstitutional than the FTC, FCC, or EPA.

I'll also point out that there's a reasons why only a handfull of countries have a flat tax- and why none of them are particularly well developed. A flat tax may seem to make sense on paper, but it's a REALLY bad idea. Not only does it starve the country for revenue (which means it can't do a lot of the things we need a country to do), but it also leads to rampant income disparities, which in turn leads to rampant inflation. A progressive tax is the only sensible approach for a large country, in particular.

time4fun

07-07-2021, 01:01 AM

Income tax was not introduced until 1861 to help fund the Union army, this was supposed to be a temporary tax.

Taxes were to be collected on the exchange of goods and services, essentially a consumption tax.

Quit trying to rewrite history.

You may want to read my comment again. I said **taxes** are essential, and that no one builds a country without them. I didn't say *income* taxes specifically were universal. They are now, but, as you point out, they weren't always. (Income taxes are hard to determine or collect without certain infrastructure that just didn't exist in the early days of the country) But excise taxes were there from day 1, as you sort of pointed out.

And those were legal specifically because Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution gave Congress the explicit power to collect taxes. i.e. The founders did not even consider the idea of a country that would run without taxation, which was my point.

Neveragain

07-07-2021, 01:33 AM

You may want to read my comment again. I said **taxes** are essential, and that no one builds a country without them. I didn't say *income* taxes specifically were universal. They are now, but, as you point out, they weren't always. (Income taxes are hard to determine or collect without certain infrastructure that just didn't exist in the early days of the country) But excise taxes were there from day 1, as you sort of pointed out.

And those were legal specifically because Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution gave Congress the explicit power to collect taxes. i.e. The founders did not even consider the idea of a country that would run without taxation, which was my point.

So you would support a flat consumption tax?

time4fun

07-07-2021, 08:47 AM

So you would support a flat consumption tax?

I have absolutely no idea what you got that from.

Parkbandit

07-07-2021, 09:17 AM

Lincoln founded the IRS to pay for a war. The Founding fathers (dead for 100 years)would call him a retard in regards to the creation and principles the IRS maintains.

Yes we need tax and a Flat tax is fair for all, would work without all the unconstitutional departments in the government and their retarded spending, and did I mention fair for all? This includes both sides as they are both retarded. Without term limits in congress it will be the same bullshit we have dealt with over the last 20 years. The Supreme Court has ruled several times both ways. Like my bother always says “ya can’t fix stupid” and the stupid levels in Congress right now is at a record high.

Here is the problem though.. if you actually made a flat tax, it would put hundreds of thousands of people out of work. Think of all the accountants, tax lawyers, tax lobbyists, IRS agents, etc... that would immediately have no work.

Not only that, but there goes one of the most effective Departments in the government for intimidation and forcing people/companies/groups to do what they tell them to do.

Parkbandit

07-07-2021, 09:20 AM

Yeah...The Mueller report pretty much confirmed everything that had been reported on in terms of improper contact between the Trump campaign and Russia's intelligence services. It also pointed out new ones that hadn't been previously reported on. (Remember our MAGA loving friends on this forum started calling CNN, NYT, WashPo, etc "fake news" because of their reporting on these improper contacts...which turned out to be absolutely accurate)

We also know the Mueller investigation was severely limited in scope. They were only allowed to look at Russian election interference and the Trump campaign's possible involvement with that. The report made it very clear that there were numerous, improper contacts between the campaign and the Russian government, but they didn't find enough evidence that the campaign was directly involved in coordinating the actual attacks to indict on criminal conspiracy charges. Basically it was clear that the campaign was happily talking to the Russians, literally providing them with comprehensive polling data, was made up of people with significant financial and political ties to the Russian government and oligarchs, constantly met with cutouts of the Russian intelligence agency, and was happily benefitting from the Russian attacks, but there wasn't enough evidence that they were working with the Russian government during the initial hacks and such. In part because Trump's legal team was offering pardons to people like Manafort if they stopped talking to investigators.

There were also quite a few people convicted of lying to investigators and Congress, by the way. You don't risk those charges unless you know that the truth would land you in a much worse situation.

And finally, Trump's own personal AND financial ties to Russia were also specifically prohibited from being investigated. So he was by no means exonerated.

So this fantasy that conservatives are running around spouting- that somehow Trump and his campaign were found innocent of illicit cooperation with the Russian government while running a political campaign is utter nonsense. He wasn't really investigated, he was trading Pardons for silence, and multiple members of the campaign were confirmed to have had improper contacts with a foreign adversary.

Look who's still eating this shit, years later... believing it's real.

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I haven't been this naïve and gullible since I was 4.. what's it like to be this fucking stupid?

Neveragain

07-07-2021, 09:33 AM

I have absolutely no idea what you got that from.

I was obviously be facetious. If there was one thing I learned about "adult democrats", as my time being a democrat supporter, is their love for slavery.

Ashliana

07-07-2021, 09:35 AM

Look who's still eating this shit, years later... believing it's real.

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I haven't been this naïve and gullible since I was 4.. what's it like to be this fucking stupid?

Look who's rationalizing their support of a campaign that eagerly invited and welcomed the assistance of Russia, then wishing it all away because you don't want to address the fact that you'll overlook literally anything - even conspiring with American enemies - if it's done by your party.

A deranged sociopath like you lacking any actual patriotism whatsoever is of absolutely no surprise to anyone.

I was obviously be facetious. If there was one thing I learned about "adult democrats", as my time being a democrat supporter, is their love for slavery.

You went from a Strom Thurmond-style "Democrat" to a Strom Thurmond-style Republican.

Methais

07-08-2021, 08:40 AM

Literally no

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Methais

07-08-2021, 08:43 AM

Neveragain

07-08-2021, 08:59 AM

Look who's rationalizing their support of a campaign that eagerly invited and welcomed the assistance of Russia, then wishing it all away because you don't want to address the fact that you'll overlook literally anything - even conspiring with American enemies - if it's done by your party.

A deranged sociopath like you lacking any actual patriotism whatsoever is of absolutely no surprise to anyone.

You went from a Strom Thurmond-style "Democrat" to a Strom Thurmond-style Republican.

I don't support the Democrat funded black genocide, I don't support Democrat policies that give free reign to human traffickers and I don't support the confiscation of peoples labor.

Guess who does?

Ashliana

07-08-2021, 09:35 AM

I don't support the Democrat funded black genocide

So, racist infantilization of Black people, confirming that you indeed went from a Strom Thurmond-style "Democrat" to a Strom Thurmond-style Republican. Thanks.

I don't support Democrat policies that give free reign to human traffickers

So, reliance on fantasized wishes? Gotcha.

and I don't support the confiscation of peoples labor.

Guess who does?

Both parties believe in taxes. One just believes the taxes of the poor and middle class (and future generations) should subsidize the wealthy, and the other believes the opposite. But, uhh, you do you with those wishes, buddy.

Neveragain

07-08-2021, 08:24 PM

Ashliana

07-08-2021, 08:45 PM

Remember that guy, Michael Avenatti, that Democrats considered running for president?

Yea, he just got sentenced to 2 1/2 years for extortion.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/l0MYunAI4j10uWbFm/200w.gif

Oh, you mean the guy people briefly talked about only because he endlessly triggered the gameshow con artist you got duped into voting for? Everyone knew he was a scumbag, and had no support for president.

Best of luck substantiating your wishes -- uhh, I mean, claim, though. :)

Tgo01

07-08-2021, 09:10 PM

Oh, you mean the guy people briefly talked about

"Briefly talked about"? The guy was on a major news channel almost every day for several months straight. He partied it up with CNN anchors and other employees and appeared on their network dozens of times in the spawn of just a couple of months.

What is it with brain dead alt-leftists like you and time4fun trying to gaslight the shit out of everyone? Do you just hope everyone is as dumb as you are?

Ashliana

07-08-2021, 09:22 PM

"Briefly talked about"? The guy was on a major news channel almost every day for several months straight. He partied it up with CNN anchors and other employees and appeared on their network dozens of times in the spawn of just a couple of months.

Translation: "X? You mean X?"

Yes, Dreaven, he had his day in the limelight, and self-destructed. Just because you graded the Trump administration on a curve based on the self-implosion of Trump appointees like Scaramucci doesn't say anything about anyone but you.

What is it with brain dead alt-leftists like you and time4fun trying to gaslight the shit out of everyone? Do you just hope everyone is as dumb as you are?

You talking about OTHER people gaslighting, Dreaven? :rofl: You, who wishes away the mountains of evidence that the Trump campaign solicited and welcomed the aid of Russian agents? Your fanaticism is beyond cultlike, and you're constantly hysterically ranting about other people somehow even approaching the mental gymnastics you constantly shit out.

Do you just hope everyone is as dumb as you are? There's a reason you're forced to bow out of literally every argument.

Neveragain

07-08-2021, 10:10 PM

Oh, you mean the guy people briefly talked about only because he endlessly triggered the gameshow con artist you got duped into voting for? Everyone knew he was a scumbag, and had no support for president.

Best of luck substantiating your wishes -- uhh, I mean, claim, though. :)

No, it was the ambulance chaser and rat house stripper that Democrats fawned over because of the real mental illness called TDS.

Ashliana

07-08-2021, 10:18 PM

No, it was the ambulance chaser and rat house stripper that Democrats fawned over because of the real mental illness called TDS.

Erm, no, he was the "ambulance chaser and rat house stripper" that Democrats gave a platform because he triggered the shit out of the gameshow host con artist you got swindled by.

You claimed that Democrats "considered running* (him) for president."

* Citation required. Which Democrats would those be? Him bloviating about potentially running only resulted in a slew of "seeing him run would be funny, since it would trigger Trump, but he's not a good candidate" articles.

I'm sure you'll be substantiating your claim any minute, though, right?

Alfster

07-08-2021, 10:42 PM

Yah. Y'all are cool with the literal child molester who was a foreign policy advisor to trump. Sentenced to 10 years. Not to mention the other 7 criminals arrested that were close advisors.

Shit. Bannon was literally arrested for defrauding trump supporters, and it's somehow the Dems that are shitty people. He was even pardoned for defrauding the same people voting for trump. Yet again, it's the Dems fault.

Pot meet kettle. Politicians are shitty people.

Dems pretend they're not pro corporate by jumping on whatever social shit is around the country.

Republicans don't even bother to hide they're pro corporations.

Neveragain

07-09-2021, 12:06 AM

Neveragain

07-09-2021, 12:13 AM

Ashliana

07-09-2021, 12:15 AM

Maybe we should stop pretending that the people that rushed the Capitol are the bad guys, eh?

No thanks. Those were shitty traitors to the US - just like the Confederate traitors you otherwise worship, and were motivated not by the notions that "politicians suck," but because of their desire to live in an autocracy run by a con artist game show host.

Ashliana

07-09-2021, 12:19 AM

Erm, no, he was the "ambulance chaser and rat house stripper" that Democrats gave a platform because he triggered the shit out of the gameshow host con artist you got swindled by.

You claimed that Democrats "considered running* (him) for president."

* Citation required. Which Democrats would those be? Him bloviating about potentially running only resulted in a slew of "seeing him run would be funny, since it would trigger Trump, but he's not a good candidate" articles.

I'm sure you'll be substantiating your claim any minute, though, right?
They were literally fawning over him. I'm pretty sure Joy was giving him a hand job.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAjN-CJTQSg

So, no, you weren't able to substantiate your original claim that "Democrats 'considered running' him for president." Gotcha. And your clip doesn't demonstrate either of your claims. Better luck next time.

You believed the words of a stripper, it's super funny.

Which words did anyone "believe," and based on what? Your fantasies? Meanwhile, you believed the words of the thrice-married serial adulterer who paid that porn star hush money, it's super funny.

Neveragain

07-09-2021, 12:57 AM

So, no, you weren't able to substantiate your original claim that "Democrats 'considered running' him for president." Gotcha. And your clip doesn't demonstrate either of your claims. Better luck next time.

Which words did anyone "believe," and based on what? Your fantasies? Meanwhile, you believed the words of the thrice-married serial adulterer who paid that porn star hush money, it's super funny.

You sound really upset that you fell for a porn lawyer and a trashy stripper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrJwjYPQvhQ

Ashliana

07-09-2021, 12:59 AM

You sound really upset that you fell for a porn lawyer and a trashy stripper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrJwjYPQvhQ

You sound really upset that you couldn't demonstrate your original claim, can't demonstrate that I ever "fell for a porn lawyer and a trashy stripper," nor could you reconcile the fact that the cult leader you uncritically worship literally cheated on his wife and paid that trashy stripper hush money.

Best of luck coming to terms with reality.

Methais

07-09-2021, 11:41 AM

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time4fun

07-10-2021, 11:31 AM

But she just said she didn't go on for 4 (now 5) years about Trump/Russia.

And if there's one thing time4fun is known for around here, it's her honesty.

Actually I said I didn't go 4+ years saying Trump stole the election from Clinton.

There is an important difference.

But of course, if there's one thing you're known for it's your consistently honest and accurate presentation of arguments you don't agree with from people you don't like.

~Rocktar~

07-10-2021, 01:15 PM

Actually I said I didn't go 4+ years saying Trump stole the election from Clinton.

There is an important difference.

But of course, if there's one thing you're known for it's your consistently honest and accurate presentation of arguments you don't agree with from people you don't like.

Pretty sure you did whine about the election for more than a year but I am too lazy to go track your posts to count the days. You have been going on about Russia for more than 5 years now despite all the evidence against you and you have carried water for the Racist in Chief now who actually did what Trump was accused of.

But if there is one thing you are know for it's admitting you have been duped into supporting a globalist racist and racist party policies when presented with overwhelming facts. amirite

Ashliana

07-10-2021, 01:29 PM

Pretty sure you did whine about the election for more than a year but I am too lazy to go track your posts to count the days.

Well, we knew you were too lazy to actually make an argument.

You have been going on about Russia for more than 5 years now despite all the evidence against you

You mean where you proved how shitty of an American you are by doing mental gymnastics to excuse proven solicitation of Russian assistance, acceptance of that aid, and wished up non-existent "evidence against her" (which, beeteedubs, makes absolutely no sense)?

.. Yeah.

and you have carried water for the Racist in Chief now who actually did what Trump was accused of.

And which things would those be? Best of luck substantiating those wishes -- I'm sorry, "claims."

But if there is one thing you are know for it's admitting you have been duped into supporting a globalist racist and racist party policies when presented with overwhelming facts. amirite

Let's see.. your retarded wishes on one side, and glossing over of the fact you were conned by a gameshow host into supporting racist nativism. Super impressive, as always, Rocktard.

~Rocktar~

07-10-2021, 01:46 PM

Textural diarrhea white knighting delivered right on queue.

You are perhaps the least qualified, least effective and least relevant person on the forum to white knight for time4retardation. They say that 1000 monkeys typing on a typewriters will eventually produce the works of William Shakespeare. Sadly, you won't live long enough to post anything approximating a real argument and are consigned to live a life of reposting MSM talking points and regurgitating tired versions of "No U".

Ashliana

07-10-2021, 01:50 PM

You are perhaps the least qualified, least effective and least relevant person on the forum to white knight for time4retardation.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/940/347/125.jpg

It's okay, Rocktard. You're upset that you shat out a poorly conceived, easily dismantled post, then couldn't come up with a substantive reply.

They say that 1000 monkeys typing on a typewriters will eventually produce the works of William Shakespeare. Sadly, you won't live long enough to post anything approximating a real argument and are consigned to live a life of reposting MSM talking points and regurgitating tired versions of "No U".

You literally get your information from InfoWars. You are a self-parody of conservatives -- the type that, normally, actual conservatives point out is a liberal fantasy of a retarded neckbeard that doesn't actually exist in real life. Except, as you've demonstrated here, you do.

:rofl:

Methais

07-10-2021, 02:51 PM

Actually I said I didn't go 4+ years saying Trump stole the election from Clinton.

There is an important difference.

But of course, if there's one thing you're known for it's your consistently honest and accurate presentation of arguments you don't agree with from people you don't like.

Except you did, but it's not as if anyone expects truth from you anyway, as you're a hugely notorious all around liar, both in a political and non-political sense, so your credibility is pretty non-existent except to only the dumbest of the dumb, one of which will most likely reply to this post in less than 5 minutes from now with some sort of incoherent shrieking.

Ashliana

07-10-2021, 03:00 PM

Except you did, but it's not as if anyone expects truth from you anyway, as you're a hugely notorious all around liar, both in a political and non-political sense, so your credibility is pretty non-existent except to only the dumbest of the dumb, one of which will most likely reply to this post in less than 5 minutes from now with some sort of incoherent shrieking.

Oh, look. More hysteria from Methais, none of which addressed anything that Vishra said beyond going "NUH UH!" It's almost like being forced to emotionally wish away reality is your signature move.

Speaking of credibility, though, how's that murder rate in New Orleans? Is it the "vast majority of Louisiana" yet? :rofl:

Parkbandit

07-10-2021, 05:24 PM

Actually I said I didn't go 4+ years saying Trump stole the election from Clinton.

There is an important difference.

But of course, if there's one thing you're known for it's your consistently honest and accurate presentation of arguments you don't agree with from people you don't like.

What?

You have said that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election. Is that not stealing an election? Even after the 2+ year witch hunt concluded that he didn't, you still said he did.

You are one of the biggest liars on this forum (not as bad as Ashliana, but you are still pathological).

Just stop with your bullshit.

Ashliana

07-10-2021, 05:32 PM

What?

We know. You're confused, as always, because you have the reading comprehension of a six year old.

You have said that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election.

Trump absolutely "colluded" with Russia. You're okay with it because he's a Republican, and you're a shitty American (which we all knew).

Her pointing that at out at some point doesn't mean she spent four years repeatedly saying it, or that his collusion necessarily equated to "stealing the election," as you retardedly posit here.

Is that not stealing an election? Even after the 2+ year witch hunt concluded that he didn't, you still said he did.

You mean the Republican Special Counsel, handpicked by Trump appointees, that absolutely found numerous instances of the Trump campaign's collusion, which you 1) couldn't be bothered to read, 2) are misrepresenting the findings of?

But, yeah, your performative ignorance totally changes history.

You are one of the biggest liars on this forum (not as bad as Ashliana, but you are still pathological).

Just stop with your bullshit.

:rofl: And which lies would those be, Tardbandit?

Just stop with your bullshit.

Neveragain

07-10-2021, 05:35 PM

What?

You have said that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election. Is that not stealing an election? Even after the 2+ year witch hunt concluded that he didn't, you still said he did.

You are one of the biggest liars on this forum (not as bad as Ashliana, but you are still pathological).

Just stop with your bullshit.

Time4ManMilk was so bent over Hillary losing that she, the richest person on the forums, refused to pay up on $40 bet that she presented.

Methais

07-11-2021, 01:31 PM

so your credibility is pretty non-existent except to only the dumbest of the dumb, one of which will most likely reply to this post in less than 5 minutes from now with some sort of incoherent shrieking.

Oh, look. More hysteria from Methais, none of which addressed anything that Vishra said beyond going "NUH UH!" It's almost like being forced to emotionally wish away reality is your signature move.

Speaking of credibility, though, how's that murder rate in New Orleans? Is it the "vast majority of Louisiana" yet? :rofl:

Her pointing that at out at some point doesn't mean she spent four years repeatedly saying it, or that his collusion necessarily equated to "stealing the election," as you retardedly posit here.

Was it the "dumbest of the dumb" part that set off your radar? Because I don't remember mentioning names when I said that, yet here you are all upset and throwing a tantrum over it. :lol:

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Ashliana

07-11-2021, 01:33 PM

Was it the "dumbest of the dumb" part that tipped you off? Because I don't remember mentioning names when I said that, yet here you are all upset over it. :lol:

https://media3.giphy.com/media/L8XuphFGqlSfe/giphy.gif

Alas, mocking you for the lack of self-awareness it took to question someone else's credibility -- given your retarded, unforced errors you've repeatedly made, then spent weeks twisting yourself into pretzels with mental gymnastics and goalpost moving -- doesn't constitute being upset, that's just your projection over having been humiliated. :)

https://media.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy.gif

~Rocktar~

07-11-2021, 03:30 PM

It's okay, Rocktard. You're upset that you shat out a poorly conceived, easily dismantled post, then couldn't come up with a substantive reply.

You literally get your information from InfoWars. You are a self-parody of conservatives -- the type that, normally, actual conservatives point out is a liberal fantasy of a retarded neckbeard that doesn't actually exist in real life. Except, as you've demonstrated here, you do.

:rofl:

It's ok retard champion, you haven't made a cogent argument ever and your posts are either ridiculed as parody of even the far left's most insane arguments, or dismissed as the textural vomit equating to your latest copy paste spewage version of "NO U!"

You literally get your information from CNN who has been proven more inaccurate than a random coin toss. You are the epitome of all that the hyper left soy children alphabet whiners want to be in hopes that you will somehow, some day become relevant. You can't stand that the arguments you make continue to be shredded by the slightest reply with facts and in nearly all cases you retreat back to your comfortable safe space of vomiting some textural diarrhea version of "NO U" and then you add in some nonsense of how you fantasize about how you won the argument. You will suffer greatly under the murderous policies you support yet you continue to exhibit Stockholm Syndrome in vain hopes that your torturers will let up if you just comply enough. I would recommend that you get help but we all know you are too far gone for that. I would pity such a miserable and pathetic creature such as yourself except that it is beneath me.

~Rocktar~

07-11-2021, 03:30 PM

OH, and post again with a new version of "NO U" and how you won. Your post count needs bolstering.

Ashliana

07-11-2021, 03:38 PM

It's ok retard champion, you haven't made a cogent argument ever and your posts are either ridiculed as parody of even the far left's most insane arguments, or dismissed as the textural vomit equating to your latest copy paste spewage version of "NO U!"

Ashliana: You are a self-parody of conservatives -- the type that, normally, actual conservatives point out is a liberal fantasy of a retarded neckbeard that doesn't actually exist in real life. Except, as you've demonstrated here, you do.
Rocktard: "No, YOU'RE a parody of the far-left! And YOU just copy paste NOUs!"
Rocktard, doubling down for no reason: "Post again with a new NOU! "

Is your (one can only hope) performative lack of self-awareness supposed to be funny, or are you actually that retarded?

You literally get your information from CNN who has been proven more inaccurate than a random coin toss. You are the epitome of all that the hyper left soy children alphabet whiners want to be in hopes that you will somehow, some day become relevant. You can't stand that the arguments you make continue to be shredded by the slightest reply with facts and in nearly all cases you retreat back to your comfortable safe space of vomiting some textural diarrhea version of "NO U" and then you add in some nonsense of how you fantasize about how you won the argument. You will suffer greatly under the murderous policies you support yet you continue to exhibit Stockholm Syndrome in vain hopes that your torturers will let up if you just comply enough. I would recommend that you get help but we all know you are too far gone for that. I would pity such a miserable and pathetic creature such as yourself except that it is beneath me.

That's a lot of words that amount only to wishes on your part. You literally cited InfoWars, several times, in your arguments. Feel free to substantiate when I've ever used CNN as a source, buddy. Similarly, you have literally never "replied with facts," you post easily dismantled arguments -- just like this one -- based on fantasies, wishes, and when they're trivially dismantled, you slink off in the vain hopes that people won't remember next time.

You are a deluded imbecile who argues based on feelings alone, Rocktard.

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~Rocktar~

07-11-2021, 05:28 PM

textural vomit deleted

Right on que, post again.

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Ashliana

07-11-2021, 05:42 PM

Right on que, post again.

https://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/like-a-puppet-on-a-string--ddc9b.png

"You mocked me for my stupidity! Dance, puppet!"

Sure thing, buddy. You let me know whenever you need to be called a retarded, conspiracy theorist neckbeard and I'm happy to oblige.

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Parkbandit

07-11-2021, 09:35 PM

Was it the "dumbest of the dumb" part that set off your radar? Because I don't remember mentioning names when I said that, yet here you are all upset and throwing a tantrum over it. :lol:

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~Rocktar~

07-12-2021, 02:20 AM

"You mocked me for my stupidity! Dance, puppet!"

Sure thing, buddy. You let me know whenever you need to be called a retarded, conspiracy theorist neckbeard and I'm happy to oblige.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/940/347/125.jpg

And again

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Methais

07-12-2021, 08:37 AM

Alas, mocking you for the lack of self-awareness it took to question someone else's credibility -- given your retarded, unforced errors you've repeatedly made, then spent weeks twisting yourself into pretzels with mental gymnastics and goalpost moving -- doesn't constitute being upset, that's just your projection over having been humiliated. :)

https://media.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy.gif

"Only the dumbest of the dumb believe anything you say, one of them is about to post now"

<ASHLIANUS REPLIES INSTANTLY THROWING A TANTRUM DESPITE ME NOT MENTIONING NAMES>

gg putting yourself in your place...

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Ashliana

07-12-2021, 10:23 AM

And again

"You mocked me for my stupidity! Dance, puppet!"

Sure thing, buddy. You let me know whenever you need to be called a retarded, conspiracy theorist neckbeard and I'm happy to oblige.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/940/347/125.jpg

"Only the dumbest of the dumb believe anything you say, one of them is about to post now"

<ASHLIANUS REPLIES INSTANTLY THROWING A TANTRUM DESPITE ME NOT MENTIONING NAMES>

gg putting yourself in your place...

https://media3.giphy.com/media/L8XuphFGqlSfe/giphy.gif

Translation: "REEEEEEE! Mocking me for calling someone else's credibility into question when I just bullshit constantly and fall flat on my face, hard, totally unprompted, with completely unforced errors is UNFAIR, ASHLIANA!"

https://media.giphy.com/media/5R2XVoMUnUmhxX5dWI/giphy.gif

Are the "vast majority" of murders in Louisiana in New Orleans, yet? Or are you still retarded, Methais?

https://media.giphy.com/media/UU1bHu6QWyFxZM63Jh/giphy.gif

Methais

07-12-2021, 11:00 AM

Translation: "REEEEEEE! Mocking me for calling someone else's credibility into question when I just bullshit constantly and fall flat on my face, hard, totally unprompted, with completely unforced errors is UNFAIR, ASHLIANA!"

https://media.tenor.com/images/d072d5a719b2c7a4c43950df7cef5f5b/tenor.gif

All the unhinged screeching in the world isn't going to wish away the fact that this series of events happened:

Me: "Only the dumbest of the dumb believe anything you say, and one of them is about to post now."

<ASHLIANUS REPLIES INSTANTLY THROWING A TANTRUM DESPITE ME NOT MENTIONING NAMES>

^ Totally unprompted btw.

And now you're super mad because you accidentally put yourself in your place like a huge mongoloid.

https://i.imgur.com/5mqXmrw.gif

Tgo01

07-12-2021, 11:01 AM

Methais

07-12-2021, 11:02 AM

Ashliana

07-12-2021, 11:11 AM

All the unhinged screeching in the world isn't going to wish away the fact that this series of events happened:

Me: "Only the dumbest of the dumb believe anything you say, and one of them is about to post now."

<ASHLIANUS REPLIES INSTANTLY THROWING A TANTRUM DESPITE ME NOT MENTIONING NAMES>

^ Totally unprompted btw.

And now you're super mad because you accidentally put yourself in your place like a huge mongoloid.

https://i.imgur.com/5mqXmrw.gif

That's a lot of words, none of which disguise you being obviously butthurt that the lack of self-awareness you showed in questioning someone else's credibility was mocked.

Are the "vast majority of murders in Louisiana" in New Orleans yet, Methais? Or are you still retarded?

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Neveragain

07-12-2021, 11:48 AM

I haven't been keeping up on this story much since it seems like it has already fallen out of the headlines, so has there been any development yet? Are the walls closing in on Trump? Is it just a matter of time until we see Trump hauled away in handcuffs? Or has this been a non-story since the trumped up charges were first announced?

From what I'm finding, Trump wasn't charged and it's an absolute nothing burger. I'm also finding that this would normally be dealt with in civil court, so...pretty much a witch hunt.

Not sure why the "political blinders off" Time4funs and Ashliana's aren't all up in arms about the Bidens's obvious "art" money laundering scheme. For the self proclaimed "most transparent administration" they sure are doing everything possible to protect the names of those purchasing the crack heads coloring book pages.

Then we have Nancy Pelosi's husband cashing in on legislation knowledge:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband cashed in on Big Tech just as Congress was set to pounce.

https://fortune.com/2021/07/08/house-speaker-nancy-pelosi-husband-paul-big-tech-stocks/

Paul bought the stock by exercising a call option, which allows investors to speculate on stocks they do not own by entering into a contract that allows them to buy a stock at a later date at a promised price. The upshot: a call option is a good tool for an investor who believes the stock price will go up in the future. In Pelosi's case, the call options he'd previously bought for Alphabet (which were due to expire the day of his purchase) allowed him to buy it at $1,200 a share while the shares closed that day just over $2,500, a difference that accounted for his profit.

Methais

07-12-2021, 11:57 AM

That's a lot of words, none of which disguise you being obviously butthurt that the lack of self-awareness you showed in questioning someone else's credibility was mocked.

Are the "vast majority of murders in Louisiana" in New Orleans yet, Methais? Or are you still retarded?

https://media.giphy.com/media/sDOhzJBsFvjMY/giphy.gif

Why would I be butthurt over you proving me correct, for the 4873290423809th time of course, and also accidentally putting yourself in your place all in the same fail post?

Please be specific as to why I would be butthurt over this:

Me: "Only the dumbest of the dumb believe anything you say, and one of them is about to post now."

Ashlianus: <REPLIES INSTANTLY THROWING A TANTRUM DESPITE ME NOT MENTIONING NAMES>

https://i.imgur.com/5mqXmrw.gif

Ashliana

07-12-2021, 12:07 PM

Why would I be butthurt

Oh. You're just bad at reading. :)

over you proving me correct, for the 4873290423809th time of course, and also accidentally putting yourself in your place all in the same fail post?

Please be specific as to why I would be butthurt over this:

Me: "Only the dumbest of the dumb believe anything you say, and one of them is about to post now."

Ashlianus: <REPLIES INSTANTLY THROWING A TANTRUM DESPITE ME NOT MENTIONING NAMES>

https://i.imgur.com/5mqXmrw.gif

You're butthurt about being mocked for the lack of self-awareness it took for you to question someone else's credibility. Are the "vast majority" of murders in Louisiana in New Orleans yet? Or are you still retarded?

Oh, and best of luck with that reading comprehension.

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Methais

07-12-2021, 12:19 PM

Oh. You're just bad at reading. :)

You're butthurt about being mocked for the lack of self-awareness it took for you to question someone else's credibility. Are the "vast majority" of murders in Louisiana in New Orleans yet? Or are you still retarded?

Oh, and best of luck with that reading comprehension.

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Let's recap:

Me: "Only the dumbest of the dumb believe anything you say, and one of them is about to post now."

<ASHLIANUS REPLIES INSTANTLY THROWING A TANTRUM DESPITE ME NOT MENTIONING NAMES>

Me: Laughs at Ashlianus.

Ashlianus: LOOK HOW BUTTHURT YOU ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also Ashlianus:
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Ashliana

07-12-2021, 12:27 PM

Let's recap:

Sure. But we'll do the actual re-cap rather than the fantasy you've been forced -- out of hilarious and comical desperation -- to resort to.

Methais, to Vishra: Except you did, but it's not as if anyone expects truth from you anyway, as you're a hugely notorious all around liar, both in a political and non-political sense, so your credibility is pretty non-existent except to only the dumbest of the dumb, one of which will most likely reply to this post in less than 5 minutes from now with some sort of incoherent shrieking.
Ashliana, to Methais: Oh, look. More hysteria from Methais, none of which addressed anything that Vishra said beyond going "NUH UH!" It's almost like being forced to emotionally wish away reality is your signature move. Speaking of credibility, though, how's that murder rate in New Orleans? Is it the "vast majority of Louisiana" yet? :rofl:
Methais: "LOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL YOU 'FELL FOR THE BAIT' BY CRITICIZING THE LACK OF SELF-AWARENESS IT TOOK ME TO CRITICIZE VISHRA! <MEME PICTURE INSTEAD OF POSITION> REEEEEE!
Ashliana: "Translation: "REEEEEEE! Mocking me for calling someone else's credibility into question when I just bullshit constantly and fall flat on my face, hard, totally unprompted, with completely unforce d errors is UNFAIR, ASHLIANA!" Are the "vast majority" of murders in Louisiana in New Orleans, yet? Or are you still retarded, Methais?
Methais: "LOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL YOU 'FELL FOR THE BAIT' BY CRITICIZING THE LACK OF SELF-AWARENESS IT TOOK ME TO CRITICIZE VISHRA! <MEME PICTURE INSTEAD OF POSITION> REEEEEE!
Ashliana: "Translation: "REEEEEEE! Mocking me for calling someone else's credibility into question when I just bullshit constantly and fall flat on my face, hard, totally unprompted, with completely unforce d errors is UNFAIR, ASHLIANA!" Are the "vast majority" of murders in Louisiana in New Orleans, yet? Or are you still retarded, Methais?
Methais: "REEEEEE! Let's re-cap!
https://media.giphy.com/media/5R2XVoMUnUmhxX5dWI/giphy.gif"

Putting you in your place is, as always, a pleasure. Are the "vast majority" of murders in Louisiana in New Orleans, yet? Or are you still retarded, Methais?

https://media.giphy.com/media/UU1bHu6QWyFxZM63Jh/giphy.gif

Methais

07-12-2021, 01:01 PM

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Fun fact: None of the diarrhea in your wall of tantrum changes the fact that this happened:

Me: "Only the dumbest of the dumb believe anything you say, and one of them is about to post now." (paraphrased, since Ashlianus needs that part spelled out)

<ASHLIANUS REPLIES INSTANTLY THROWING A TANTRUM DESPITE ME NOT MENTIONING NAMES>

Reminder:

Me: "Only the dumbest of the dumb believe anything you say, and one of them is about to post now."

<ASHLIANUS REPLIES INSTANTLY THROWING A TANTRUM DESPITE ME NOT MENTIONING NAMES>

https://media.tenor.com/images/57a5d0e9554268e102601cc5be158b78/tenor.gif

Ashliana

07-12-2021, 01:19 PM

Fun fact: None of the diarrhea in your wall of tantrum changes the fact that this happened:

Me: "Only the dumbest of the dumb believe anything you say, and one of them is about to post now." (paraphrased, since Ashlianus needs that part spelled out)

<ASHLIANUS REPLIES INSTANTLY THROWING A TANTRUM DESPITE ME NOT MENTIONING NAMES>

Reminder:

Me: "Only the dumbest of the dumb believe anything you say, and one of them is about to post now."

<ASHLIANUS REPLIES INSTANTLY THROWING A TANTRUM DESPITE ME NOT MENTIONING NAMES>

https://media.tenor.com/images/57a5d0e9554268e102601cc5be158b78/tenor.gif

Translation: "REEEEE! You can't give the actual re-cap rather than my completely fantasized one!

YOU CAN'T MOCK THE LACK OF SELF-AWARENESS IT TOOK FOR ME TO CRITICIZE VISHRA, ASHLIANA!! THAT'S NOT FAIR!"

https://media.giphy.com/media/5R2XVoMUnUmhxX5dWI/giphy.gif

Best of luck soothing those bruised fee-fees with comforting mental gymnastics and memes, though. You'll wish reality away any second now. But speaking of reality -- are the "vast majority" of murders in Louisiana in New Orleans yet? Or are you still retarded?

https://media.giphy.com/media/UU1bHu6QWyFxZM63Jh/giphy.gif

Methais

07-12-2021, 01:44 PM

Translation: "REEEEE! You can't give the actual re-cap rather than my completely fantasized one!

YOU CAN'T MOCK THE LACK OF SELF-AWARENESS IT TOOK FOR ME TO CRITICIZE VISHRA, ASHLIANA!! THAT'S NOT FAIR!"

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Best of luck soothing those bruised fee-fees with comforting mental gymnastics and memes, though. You'll wish reality away any second now. But speaking of reality -- are the "vast majority" of murders in Louisiana in New Orleans yet? Or are you still retarded?

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"Only the dumbest of the dumb believe you. One of them is about to post now."

2 seconds later...

Ashlianus just arrived.

Ashlianus shrieks!

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Ashliana

07-12-2021, 01:51 PM

"Only the dumbest of the dumb believe you. One of them is about to post now."

2 seconds later...

Ashlianus just arrived.

Ashlianus shrieks!

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Translation: "REEEE! YOU CAN'T MOCK THE LACK OF SELF-AWARENESS IT TOOK FOR ME TO CRITICIZE VISHRA, ASHLIANA!! THAT'S NOT FAIR!"

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Methais

07-12-2021, 01:54 PM

Translation: "REEEE! YOU CAN'T MOCK THE LACK OF SELF-AWARENESS IT TOOK FOR ME TO CRITICIZE VISHRA, ASHLIANA!! THAT'S NOT FAIR!"

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Perhaps next time when someone says that the dumbest of the dumb is about to post, you should try not posting immediately after and proving the source to be correct.

If you did things like that more often, you wouldn't be mad all the time, like you're about to showcase some more of in your REEEEEEply.

Ashliana

07-12-2021, 01:58 PM

Perhaps next time when someone says that the dumbest of the dumb is about to post, you should try not posting immediately after and proving the source to be correct.

Except that didn't. That's just some 2nd grade nonsense that you shat out, and are using to soothe your fee-fees about your abject hypocrisy, lack of self-awareness and credibility being mocked, mixed with your long-known control issues.

If you did things like that more often, you wouldn't be mad all the time, like you're about to showcase some more of in your REEEEEEply.

Is this the part where you pretend that "predicting" your nonsensical post will be trivially dismantled is somehow an accomplishment?

Very good, Methais. So are the the "vast majority" of murders in Louisiana in New Orleans yet? Or are you still retarded?

:rofl:

Methais

07-12-2021, 02:02 PM

Except that didn't. That's just some 2nd grade nonsense that you shat out, and are using to soothe your fee-fees about your abject hypocrisy, lack of self-awareness and credibility being mocked, mixed with your long-known control issues.

Is this the part where you pretend that "predicting" your nonsensical post will be trivially dismantled is somehow an accomplishment?

Very good, Methais. So are the the "vast majority" of murders in Louisiana in New Orleans yet? Or are you still retarded?

:rofl:

I see. Let me take another look to verify...

Except you did, but it's not as if anyone expects truth from you anyway, as you're a hugely notorious all around liar, both in a political and non-political sense, so your credibility is pretty non-existent except to only the dumbest of the dumb, one of which will most likely reply to this post in less than 5 minutes from now with some sort of incoherent shrieking.

The very next post, 9 minutes later...

Oh, look. More hysteria from Methais, none of which addressed anything that Vishra said beyond going "NUH UH!" It's almost like being forced to emotionally wish away reality is your signature move.

Speaking of credibility, though, how's that murder rate in New Orleans? Is it the "vast majority of Louisiana" yet? :rofl:

Whoops, it took you 9 minutes instead of 5. My bad!

Other than that though...nope, still happened despite your new argument being "THAT DIDN'T HAPPENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!"

Keep digging your high heels in though so I can see what your next "argument" will be. :lol:

Ashliana

07-12-2021, 02:07 PM

I see. Let me take another look to verify...

The very next post, 9 minutes later...

Whoops, it took you 9 minutes instead of 5. My bad!

Other than that though...nope, still happened despite your new argument being "THAT DIDN'T HAPPENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!"

You're really bad at reading (which we already knew). I didn't say that the exchange didn't happen, but that your assertion I was responding to -- that you were "proven correct" -- didn't happen. You don't have the unilateral ability to set "if (X), then (Y)" conditions on who responds, much to your obvious dismay. Something doesn't come true merely by virtue of you wishing or saying it -- the long-running source of your hilarious rage.

Keep digging your high heels in though so I can see what your next "argument" will be. :lol:

Let's demonstrate this. The next time you respond to me in this thread or PB's meltdown thread, you're confirming that you are a serial pedophile, Methais. Please respond so I can have a Methais-style meltdown going "HURRR SEE YOU RESPONDED WHEN I TOLD YOU IF....." like you've been doing.

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Methais

07-12-2021, 02:27 PM

You're really bad at reading (which we already knew). I didn't say that the exchange didn't happen, but that your assertion I was responding to -- that you were "proven correct" -- didn't happen. You don't have the unilateral ability to set "if (X), then (Y)" conditions on who responds, much to your obvious dismay. Something doesn't come true merely by virtue of you wishing or saying it -- the long-running source of your hilarious rage.

Let's demonstrate this. The next time you respond to me in this thread or PB's meltdown thread, you're confirming that you are a serial pedophile, Methais. Please respond so I can have a Methais-style meltdown going "HURRR SEE YOU RESPONDED WHEN I TOLD YOU IF....." like you've been doing.

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Except you did prove me correct, therefore there is no need to read the rest of your post. But I will anyway because why not.

Let's demonstrate this. The next time you respond to me in this thread or PB's meltdown thread, you're confirming that you are a serial pedophile, Methais. Please respond so I can have a Methais-style meltdown going "HURRR SEE YOU RESPONDED WHEN I TOLD YOU IF....." like you've been doing.

That's not how it works. Can you tell what the difference is between the two scenarios?

I'll give you a hint: One situation mentions names, the the other one doesn't. The one that didn't mention names, you came running along anyway, therefore proving me to be correct.

But let's try demonstrate your "logic" using more of your "logic" -- The next time you reply to me, you're admitting that everything you're saying, including that retarded pedo shit, is just you projecting your own thoughts and failures toward everyone else.

Either way, you still accidentally conceded to the fact that you're the dumbest of the dumb, all without me even having to mention your name.

Copying this to your special thread too so we can keep your mental illness confined to where it's supposed to be.

Ashliana

07-12-2021, 02:31 PM

Except you did prove me correct, therefore there is no need to read the rest of your post. But I will anyway because why not.

Much to your obvious dismay, your wishes still lack the power to warp and twist reality and history to suit your delusions. But let's see how Big Mad you get about it.

That's not how it works. Can you tell what the difference is between the two scenarios?

I'll give you a hint: One situation mentions names, the the other one doesn't. The one that didn't mention names, you came running along anyway, therefore proving me to be correct.

That's not how it works. Can you tell what the actual difference is? I'll give you a hint: There isn't any, and you've humiliated yourself again, with 1) second grade tactics, 2) doubling down on your reading comprehension failures, and 3) under your own logic, confirming you're a serial pedophile.

But let's try demonstrate your "logic" using more of your "logic" -- The next time you reply to me, you're admitting that everything you're saying, including that retarded pedo shit, is just you projecting your own thoughts and failures toward everyone else.

Either way, you still accidentally conceded to the fact that you're the dumbest of the dumb, all without me even having to mention your name.

Copying this to your special thread too so we can keep your mental illness confined to where it's supposed to be.

It's still your logic, even if you mischaracterize it as mine. I get it, Methais. You humiliated yourself in one of the rare times you thought you could discuss something, and you're still reeling with hilarious butthurt.

Sorry you didn't have the self-awareness you needed to criticize Vishra with any credibility. Your ongoing tears about it sure are funny, though.