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ClydeR
06-15-2021, 11:26 AM
Short version -- Two black students were announced as Valedictorian and Salutatorian based on QPA. Two white students had higher GPAs. The school handbook said GPA should be used. The school decided to have co-valedictorians and co-salutatorians, allowing the graduation attendees to enjoy four speeches. In the majority black town, everybody is still upset about it. Some people are saying that when white students were not chosen, the school changed its standards. The school says a new employee made an error by printing the QPA rankings, instead of GPA rankings. The graduation speeches are over, but the dispute lives on. Lawsuits are being threatened. Multiple school board meetings.

There are also scholarships at stake. The state gives a scholarship to the valedictorian and salutatorian from each high school.

You can watch an interview of the two black students at https://www.msnbc.com/ali-velshi/watch/two-black-students-were-forced-to-share-high-honors-after-white-parents-cried-error-114735685524

It has been portrayed in the NYT and the MSNBC interview as the two white students being sore losers. The two black students interviewed on MSNBC clearly think they were cheated.


At first, it seemed a joyous occasion. There was an audible gasp in the room, then boisterous cheering and applause when the announcement was made: Ikeria Washington and Layla Temple had been named 2021 valedictorian and salutatorian for West Point High School.

The president of the local N.A.A.C.P. in West Point, Miss., Anner Cunningham, smiled as the two young women, both standout students, were photographed. "It was a beautiful and proud moment to witness two young, Black ladies standing side by side given such honors," Ms. Cunningham said.

But almost immediately parents of other students near the top of the rankings raised questions about who should have been honored. Within days, and breaking with longstanding tradition, West Point High School decided to name two valedictorians and two salutatorians - with two white students, Emma Berry and Dominic Borgioli, joining the Black students who had already been named.

And in the nearly three weeks since that senior awards night, West Point, a mostly Black town in the northeastern part of the state, has been split largely along racial lines, roiled by a dispute that included threats, a potential lawsuit and allegations of racism posted on Facebook.

Officials say that race had nothing to do with the events in West Point, but instead blamed a mistake made by a school counselor resulting largely from a confusion over which of two methods for calculating final grades should have been used.

More... (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/11/us/west-point-high-school-valedictorian.html)


I still remember my valedictory speech from not long ago. I image people are still talking about it.

kutter
06-15-2021, 12:07 PM
Ok, I must be an old fart because I have never heard of QPA, hell I just looked it up and still do not know what it is. I opened a PDF from an Oregon school that was supposed to tell me and it was, wait for it.....236 pages!!!

For as long as Valedictorians have been selected, GPA is the measure, this is just more woke bullshit.

Neveragain
06-15-2021, 01:06 PM
Ok, I must be an old fart because I have never heard of QPA, hell I just looked it up and still do not know what it is. I opened a PDF from an Oregon school that was supposed to tell me and it was, wait for it.....236 pages!!!

For as long as Valedictorians have been selected, GPA is the measure, this is just more woke bullshit.

The bell curve is racist, unless we can gain some self virtue then the bell curve is not so racist.

Neveragain
06-15-2021, 01:07 PM
Ok, I must be an old fart because I have never heard of QPA, hell I just looked it up and still do not know what it is. I opened a PDF from an Oregon school that was supposed to tell me and it was, wait for it.....236 pages!!!

For as long as Valedictorians have been selected, GPA is the measure, this is just more woke bullshit.

The bell curve is racist, unless we can gain some self virtue then the bell curve is not so racist.

ClydeR
06-15-2021, 01:27 PM
Yes, all classes should count equally. Who are you to say that calculus has more worth than shop? There should be no curves for calculus.

~Rocktar~
06-15-2021, 02:58 PM
Yes, all classes should count equally. Who are you to say that calculus has more worth than shop? There should be no curves for calculus.

Where the fuck is shop taught anymore?

Tgo01
06-15-2021, 03:14 PM
I'm calling bullshit that they have one employee figure out who was Valedictorian and Salutatorian and apparently no one double checks the work or anything before announcing the results.

Sounds like the school fucked up big time and are trying to find a scapegoat.

Also that article is disgusting. "The parents of the white students confronted the principal, who is black."

Why the fuck does the race of anyone involved matter? This is beyond ridiculous.

First of all why is this even national headlines for a school fuck up? It should be in a local newspaper at best. Second of all here's how the article should read: "School fucked up and gave the honors to the wrong students but rather than yanking the honors away from them after the honors were already announced the school decided to allow them to share the honors with the students who should have been named in the first place and now the parents are screaming racism for some strange reason."

kutter
06-16-2021, 01:01 AM
Ok, so someone told me that QPA is part of the formula for AP classes, which I am still a little confused about since when I was in high school, admittedly it was the stone age 1980-1984, AP classes just added one extra point to your GPA if you got an A or a B, so some of the really bright kids had GPA's that were like 4.5. Is that no longer the case now?

Tgo01
06-16-2021, 01:09 AM
AP classes just added one extra point to your GPA if you got an A or a B, so some of the really bright kids had GPA's that were like 4.5.

That's how I remember it being too when I went to school.

Alfster
06-16-2021, 02:06 AM
Ok, so someone told me that QPA is part of the formula for AP classes, which I am still a little confused about since when I was in high school, admittedly it was the stone age 1980-1984, AP classes just added one extra point to your GPA if you got an A or a B, so some of the really bright kids had GPA's that were like 4.5. Is that no longer the case now?

My school did not do this. Early 2000s. You got your college credit for the AP class and your GPA was whatever you got in all classes combined.

Candor
06-16-2021, 05:53 AM
I think the school just royally messed up. These days such things are not easily forgiven.

rolfard
06-16-2021, 07:53 AM
It wasn't that hard to google:

https://classroom.synonym.com/grading-system-us-colleges-4164.html

Candor
06-16-2021, 09:20 AM
which I am still a little confused about since when I was in high school, admittedly it was the stone age 1980-1984

Whippersnapper :).

ClydeR
06-16-2021, 11:49 AM
Where the fuck is shop taught anymore?

How unpleasant the absence of shop class must make your community. I can picture it now. Coats puddled on the floors for want of racks, forlorn homeless birds on every power line, jewelry stuffed indignantly in shoe boxes, books toppling every which way off shelf ends,.... It is too dreary to contemplate. The next time you invite me to visit, I may have to decline.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_iX5J8WIDw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_iX5J8WIDw

Methais
06-16-2021, 01:04 PM
How unpleasant the absence of shop class must make your community. I can picture it now. Coats puddled on the floors for want of racks, forlorn homeless birds on every power line, jewelry stuffed indignantly in shoe boxes, books toppling every which way off shelf ends,.... It is too dreary to contemplate. The next time you invite me to visit, I may have to decline.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_iX5J8WIDw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_iX5J8WIDw

Right, because being introduced to a trade that will always be in demand in a world overflowing with useless college degrees and insane student debt couldn't possibly be a good thing.