Now this is interesting

[Shaps]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT8Ra0yKjMg

https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2021/05/12/deleted-election-files-and-ballot-handling-concerns-prompt-senate-president-to-beckon-maricopa-county-officials-to-state-capitol/

Hopefully YouTube doesn't delete it.

Democrats have been fighting against the audit in Arizona.

The current forensic evidence, just released today, is showing that an "ENTIRE DATABASE" from the 2020 election was deleted and hidden.

"“This suggests that the main database for all election related data for the November 2020 General Election has been removed,” Fann wrote to Sellers. “Can you please advise as to why these folders were deleted, and whether there are any backups that may contain the deleted folders?”

BTW - this is a full audit - not a recount. Recounting votes that have already been "counted" is just recounting (either good or bad) votes and results in the same thing.

A full audit of the electronic voting systems is what should have, and is being done.

I'm not claiming to know one way or another - and I'm sure some on here will say what they will.... but I'm an evidence based person and why I firmly believe that any irregularities should have been accepted by the courts to have been resolved back in December, instead of the cases being dismissed or legislatures denying forensic audits. They've created this mess.

Clean and fair win - so be it, congratulations Biden.

But if shit like the above continues to be found and is not addressed, we're going to be fucked. The spin on this is going to be extreme.

[Seran]

In other news, the Department of Justice is investigating mishandling of ballots, a possible felony, during the latest super sekret Arizona GOP recount led by Cyber Ninjas Inc, based out of Florida.

[Shaps]

In other news, the Department of Justice is investigating mishandling of ballots, a possible felony, during the latest super sekret Arizona GOP recount led by Cyber Ninjas Inc, based out of Florida.

1. They are literally recording everything they are doing for the public to see.
2. If there is anything wrong with the company doing the audit - then they should be held accountable.
3. Stop being a douchebag and seeing what you want to see. I just want the information. You should too.

If you accept what you just said as fact, why don't you accept what I linked and the results they are having as fact? It's because you're a partisan stooge that just believes what they want - whereas I don't claim to know shit, but if the evidence reveals something then I will work with that.

Your argument is literally "ballots were mishandled in this recount!", BUT make the same argument that "the ballots in the 2020 election were not mishandled and the count is valid!" - If one is possible, so is the other, and vice versa. I don't know 100%, do you?

See the duplicitousness?

You should support a full audit, transparent exposure of the information, and follow the evidence.

There is only one party that doesn't support a full audit. Just as a general rule, why would an audit make a difference if they won fair and square? They literally should be wanting an audit done to silence their opposition. The fastest way they could have laid this all to rest, given ALL citizens confidence in the elections, disproven all the "conspiracy theories" is to just let the machines be audited. But... they didn't...

Again, I don't claim to know one way or another - but you can't overlook information deleted, hidden, and not handled per election laws required for chain of custody reasons. Those parameters exist for a reason. If you're willing to overlook all of that, then /shrug... no idea what to tell you.

[Taernath]

Fortunately I am also an evidence based person and this video sums up the issues with the fraudit perfectly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

[Shaps]

I fucking LOVE Rick Astley.

Your response isn't surprising though. Love the logic.

"The election was not fraudulent!"

"The audit is fraudulent!"

When the truth is, no one knows because only one party is trying to stop an actual audit from occurring. Dems should tell everyone they are 100% in favor of an audit, and then laugh their ass off in Republicans faces after it's complete and use it for the 2024 ad campaign. Instead... a lot of name calling, insults, and attempts to stop it.

Makes perfect sense.

[Taernath]

Your response isn't surprising though. Love the logic.

"The election was not fraudulent!"

"The audit is fraudulent!"

Versus, what?

"The election has been determined to be legitimate by various courts and by numerous election groups and previous audits."

"Nuh uh! NUH UH! We're gonna audit forever!"

Here are more links for your Highly Logical perusal:


https://bit.ly/3tGsH6R

https://bit.ly/33I8qTW

https://bit.ly/3w5HKc8

https://bit.ly/3bnHw86

[Shaps]

Versus, what?

"The election has been determined to be legitimate by various courts and by numerous election groups and previous audits."

"Nuh uh! NUH UH! We're gonna audit forever!"

Here are more links for your Highly Logical perusal:


https://bit.ly/3tGsH6R

https://bit.ly/33I8qTW

https://bit.ly/3w5HKc8

https://bit.ly/3bnHw86

1. Most "audits" were recounts, not actual examination of the machines.
2. I wanted this done in NOV/DEC so it could shut up both sides and settle the issue forever.
3. Only 1 side actually fought against audits occurring in jurisdictions that wanted to conduct them.
4. I think over 90% (would have to look up the full list) of all cases were dismissed before any allowance, request, or full audit was authorized and could occur.
5. All sworn statements/affidavits of election irregularities were dismissed as worthless, again by one side, even through they can be entered as evidence.

So an actual deep dive audit is getting done, and it's turning up some extreme abnormalities - but you'll just dismiss it? Not surprising.

Again, I don't claim to know either way. It looks fishy as fuck though - that's just... highly logical.

And thanks for the links!

[Taernath]

1. Most "audits" were recounts, not actual examination of the machines.

Wrong. I won't even mess around and post bit.ly links, this is from our previous audit:

https://www.maricopa.gov/5681/Elections-Equipment-Audit#Overview
https://maricopacountyaz.medium.com/auditing-elections-equipment-in-maricopa-county-3955445c1712

That's an actual, certified, independent audit, not from some unknown, sloppily-run group with clear bias.

[Shaps]

Wrong. I won't even mess around and post bit.ly links, this is from our previous audit:

https://www.maricopa.gov/5681/Elections-Equipment-Audit#Overview
https://maricopacountyaz.medium.com/auditing-elections-equipment-in-maricopa-county-3955445c1712

That's an actual, certified, independent audit, not from some unknown, sloppily-run group with clear bias.

Now this is something we can talk about! Thanks for the links.

Okay, read through and looks pretty good... two things jump out to me, so you let me know what you think...

Report 1 (first link) - Page 1 - click Read summary of the audit findings
Test Objective: Perform a logic and Accuracy Test to determine if vote switching could occur
ProV: Logic and accuracy tested resulted in accurate numbers
SLI: N/A - Test was not included in SLI's scope of work

I might have not caught it reading through, but why would the scope of work not be covered by SLI?

Report 2 (second link) - Midway down
Why did the county not audit the ballots?
The ballots are currently sealed. There is no provision under Arizona law that allows for the county to “recount” or “audit” of the election results after they were certified. The county cannot access the ballots without a court order, this includes digital copies of the ballots.

So... from what I can tell, they had two companies examine the hardware + software to ensure no funny business. Check

They did not have those companies compare the copies of the ballots, to include the digital copies, with the final tabulation sheets.

That alone seems it is not a "full audit" as I propose should have been done, is currently being done, and has been fought against by the Democratic Party this whole time.

The fight against this examination occurring makes no sense to me. As the digital portion is the most intriguing to me personally.

Side note - no idea if applicable, but would need more research:

"While onsite, qualified Pro V&V personnel evaluated the network architecture to determine the process and procedure to be followed. All steps were documented in the engineering notebook."
"Pro V&V test team members evaluated the physical wiring of the network, the managed switch, clients, and the server. All wiring is housed in an exposed channel hanging from the ceiling. Different color wires are used for different device types such as printers, PCs, or tabulators. For the server, commands were run to test connectivity to a known internet address and public IP addresses. None for these commands returned successful execution from the server or from the clients. Pro V&V determined that the network it evaluated is a “Closed Network” and does not have access to the internet."

This was 3 months after the election and they set up the system components themselves it appears? And found that a system they set up wasn't connected to an outside network, but does that mean it couldn't have, or someone plugged into it? Didn't find any data on if it had been or had not? I may have missed it, but wondering about it?.....

You have a perspective that I'm missing here?

[Shaps]

Also, from the links you posted... and what I bolded in my response... this is apparently the current situation on the ground being reported:

"“We have recently discovered that the entire ‘Database’ directory from the D drive of the machine ‘EMSPrimary’ has been deleted,” Fann wrote on Wednesday to Jack Sellers, chair of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors. “This removes election related details that appear to have been covered by the subpoena.”

That subpoena was issued to the county board and elections officials in January as part of the Senate’s efforts to conduct a forensic audit of how the county handled the 2020 General Election. Fann’s letter also alleges the EMS was missing a “Results Tally and Reporting” database.

“This suggests that the main database for all election related data for the November 2020 General Election has been removed,” Fann wrote to Sellers. “Can you please advise as to why these folders were deleted, and whether there are any backups that may contain the deleted folders?”


So if the audits links you provided, were never allowed to audit the digital databases... and now the digital databases are apparently "deleted"... doesn't that seem odd to you?

Edit: I keep reading through what you linked, what's currently being reported, and keep finding more idiosyncrasies. It's just weird - and all because politics have corrupted something that we should all want done precisely and honestly. The politicians keep muddying the waters on this shit. Gahhhh.

[Taernath]

The fight against this examination occurring makes no sense to me. ...
You have a perspective that I'm missing here?

My perspective is that the democrats engaged in good faith bipartisan auditing and recounts for several months, while republicans/qultists insist on muddying the waters of a free and fair election. There is no evidence that will appease or be accepted by them, and they will carry this on in perpetuity. It is a waste of time and money at best, and undermining future elections at worst.

A better question to be asking is why you weren't aware that there were already audits done before Cyber Ninjas were hired. It was public knowledge and could have been found with a simple Google search.

[Shaps]

My perspective is that the democrats engaged in good faith bipartisan auditing and recounts for several months, while republicans/qultists insist on muddying the waters of a free and fair election. There is no evidence that will appease or be accepted by them, and they will carry this on in perpetuity. It is a waste of time and money at best, and undermining future elections at worst.

A better question to be asking is why you weren't aware that there were already audits done before Cyber Ninjas were hired. It was public knowledge and could have been found with a simple Google search.

I literally cut+pasted the discrepancies. And you just overlook them?

Here I thought we could actually discuss them, but...

I know people are blind loyalists like yourself, who claims to worry about "facts" like you said... but when presented with them - from the actual reports you used to make your point - you just go back to partisan talking points.

No wonder dealing with jackass ideologues like yourself isn't worth the time.

[Taernath]

I literally cut+pasted the discrepancies. And you just overlook them?

Here I thought we could actually discuss them, but...

I know people are blind loyalists like yourself, who claims to worry about "facts" like you said... but when presented with them - from the actual reports you used to make your point - you just go back to partisan talking points.

No wonder dealing with jackass ideologues like yourself isn't worth the time.

I didn't "overlook" them, I'm just not interested in debating minutiae with someone engaging in bad faith arguments.

[Parkbandit]

My perspective is that the democrats engaged in good faith bipartisan auditing

You can't possibly take yourself seriously at all.. when you start a post like this.

[~Rocktar~]

I didn't "overlook" them, I'm just not interested in debating minutiae with someone engaging in bad faith arguments.

Yeah, there was already one person arguing in bad faith, if Shaps had added in, it would have been two.

And the Left sure does like to argue "minutiae" when it suits them, such as attacking Trump or trying to defend riots and their own.

[Shaps]

I didn't "overlook" them, I'm just not interested in debating minutiae with someone engaging in bad faith arguments.

This comment says more about you, than it ever says about me. Thanks for letting me know what type of person you are.