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[Shaps]

https://www.wired.com/story/twitch-off-platform-policy-harassment/

I'm pretty sure there is law enforcement for that?

"In the course of investigating those problem users, Twitch COO Sara Clemens tells WIRED, Twitch’s moderation and law enforcement teams learned how challenging it is to review and make decisions based on users’ behavior IRL or on other platforms like Discord. “We realized that not having a policy to look at off-service behavior was creating a threat vector for our community that we had not addressed,” says Clemens. Today, Twitch is announcing its solution: an off-services policy. In partnership with a third-party law firm, Twitch will investigate reports of offenses like sexual assault, extremist behavior, and threats of violence that occur off-stream."

“Investigating off-platform behavior requires a high capacity for investigation, finding evidence that can be verifiable. It’s difficult to standardize.”

"For privacy reasons, Clemens would not provide details on which law firm it had contracted to conduct these investigations, but noted that they specialize in sensitive investigations. One of its biggest challenges will be verifying allegations against top streamers."

I have no problem with them monitoring their platform and if someone makes a viable threat or illegal act on it, removing them and reporting them to authorities.

They are talking about sending out their own investigators to monitor your life off of the platform. How anyone would want big tech using investigators to follow you around and examine your life is beyond absurd.

BTW - they won't release who they're sending out to spy on you - "for privacy reasons". Your privacy though, doesn't matter. See the duplicitousness of that?

This should scare the living shit out of everyone.

[~Rocktar~]

Yep, Twitch is now on the way out. And yes, this is just a version of the Social Credit Score.

[Seran]

Yup, social media platforms are going to verify illegal acts and extremism are legitimate before reporting to authorities. All your collusion, plans and hate speech are going to be evidence turned over to law enforcement. Great day for America, the fight against extremism has gotten another ally.

[Bhaalizmo]

This should scare the living shit out of everyone.

Mostly just the shady ones. Mostly.

The rest of us who aren't doing nefarious shit could give a flying fuck.

[Seran]

It takes a special type of person to think that the reporting of criminal acts or suspicious activities only applies to foreigners. I'm sure McVeigh, Kaczynski, Mateen, and every other domestic terrorist deserves every opportunity to commit crimes, because as the tinfoil hat club here would have you believe, preventing atrocities before they occur is straight up unconstitutional

[Shaps]

Yup, social media platforms are going to verify illegal acts and extremism are legitimate before reporting to authorities. All your collusion, plans and hate speech are going to be evidence turned over to law enforcement. Great day for America, the fight against extremism has gotten another ally.

Your stupidity really is amazing.

[Shaps]

Mostly just the shady ones. Mostly.

The rest of us who aren't doing nefarious shit could give a flying fuck.

Actually you should.

This has nothing to do with "nefarious shit". This has to do with unlicensed monitoring by a private entity over your life. One that they control because of your exposure due to technology.

This isn't a red, blue, or independent thing. This is a whole of society thing.

If you think they won't come for you or someone you care about, you're not paying attention.

[Shaps]

Mostly just the shady ones. Mostly.

The rest of us who aren't doing nefarious shit could give a flying fuck.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/microsoft-nuance-deal-health-care-golden-ticket-195753997.html

"The deal valued at $19.7 billion, Microsoft’s largest since it bought LinkedIn in 2016 for more than $26 billion, will give the Redmond, Washington-based company a big boost in what is expected to be a years-long race against fellow tech giants Amazon (AMZN) and Google (GOOG, GOOGL) to develop health care technology."

"Twitch is an American video live streaming service that focuses on video game live streaming, including broadcasts of esports competitions. In addition, it offers music broadcasts, creative content, and more recently, "in real life" streams. It is operated by Twitch Interactive, a subsidiary of Amazon.com, Inc.[2] "

You getting it yet? Trying to lead you to water here, but if I have to keep pointing out every step that's occurring, and will be attempted in the near future... it's going to get tiring.

[Shaps]

Here's another little piece for you... do the research and connect the dots yourself. I'm giving you starting points.

https://isogg.org/wiki/List_of_DNA_testing_companies

Then tie it all together through the current technology/media platforms used. You'll get there eventually.

[Seran]

Actually you should.

This has nothing to do with "nefarious shit". This has to do with unlicensed monitoring by a private entity over your life. One that they control because of your exposure due to technology.

This isn't a red, blue, or independent thing. This is a whole of society thing.

If you think they won't come for you or someone you care about, you're not paying attention.

Social media platforms don't need a license to monitor your activity, nor do they need your ongoing consent to outsource content reviews to a third party. You signed their TOC when you created your account, you don't get a choice to revoke consent, but you can leave the platform.

Don't do illegal activities and you're fine.

[Shaps]

Social media platforms don't need a license to monitor your activity, nor do they need your ongoing consent to outsource content reviews to a third party. You signed their TOC when you created your account, you don't get a choice to revoke consent, but you can leave the platform.

Don't do illegal activities and you're fine.

You seriously are an idiot.

[Parkbandit]

Social media platforms don't need a license to monitor your activity, nor do they need your ongoing consent to outsource content reviews to a third party. You signed their TOC when you created your account, you don't get a choice to revoke consent, but you can leave the platform.

Don't do illegal activities and you're fine.

So, you believe there is no right to privacy at all.. and anyone who claims such a thing are obvious up to something illegal?

I agree with you about the TOS.. but I also believe that many of these companies have become monopolies and need to be broken up.

[Seran]

You seriously are an idiot.

A convincing counterpoint as always Dreaven. You never fail to disappoint with your well cited legal theories, counter arguments and retorts. Keep up the good work.

[Seran]

So, you believe there is no right to privacy at all.. and anyone who claims such a thing are obvious up to something illegal?

I agree with you about the TOS.. but I also believe that many of these companies have become monopolies and need to be broken up.

So let's look at this a different way. Our Constitution grants protection, from the government, against warrantless searches or seizures. That privilege does not apply from private citizens or corporations who either receive your information or have legal access to your information from handing it over. When legally obtained evidence is turned over, the court has upheld the right to usage of that evidence.

So no, I believe that we have a right to privacy. That right to privacy doesn't extend to idiots producing evidence against themselves by using it on social media or via cloud based storage.

[Shaps]

A convincing counterpoint as always Dreaven. You never fail to disappoint with your well cited legal theories, counter arguments and retorts. Keep up the good work.

You thinking I'm Dreaven means you are dumber than I thought.

The fact is, your replies are idiotic. Hence, you are an idiot.

If you don't understand the right to privacy, how their proposals violate that, and how it is interwoven into the larger picture... that's not my problem.

[Shaps]

So let's look at this a different way. Our Constitution grants protection, from the government, against warrantless searches or seizures. That privilege does not apply from private citizens or corporations who either receive your information or have legal access to your information from handing it over. When legally obtained evidence is turned over, the court has upheld the right to usage of that evidence.

So no, I believe that we have a right to privacy. That right to privacy doesn't extend to idiots producing evidence against themselves by using it on social media or via cloud based storage.

And again, you are missing the second half of the equation. What you have stated is legal and currently applied.

The companies are looking to expand their INVESTIGATION arm OUTSIDE of their OWN business.

Essentially, they want to put private eyes on you. So say you post something on Twitter. Some Twitter admin doesn't like what you said. They then assign someone (not law enforcement, their own PI agency) to follow you around as you get your coffee and take pictures of you. You'd like that?

They can do what they want with/on their platform, I have no problem with that. If they have a serious concern, they should report it to the authorities as they do now. Not send out their own/private investigators to probe your life.

You can see how that's fucked up right?

[Seran]

And again, you are missing the second half of the equation. What you have stated is legal and currently applied.

The companies are looking to expand their INVESTIGATION arm OUTSIDE of their OWN business.

Essentially, they want to put private eyes on you. So say you post something on Twitter. Some Twitter admin doesn't like what you said. They then assign someone (not law enforcement, their own PI agency) to follow you around as you get your coffee and take pictures of you. You'd like that?

They can do what they want with/on their platform, I have no problem with that. If they have a serious concern, they should report it to the authorities as they do now. Not send out their own/private investigators to probe your life.

You can see how that's fucked up right?

When's the last time you've read the terms and conditions of Facebook for example? By using their platform, you irrevocably agree to content review and moderation by Facebook, it's partners and affiliates. You also agree that usage of their platform constitutes an ongoing agreement to abide by its terms and conditions. This means everytime you search for a new pair of panties, a hundred algorithms are finding out which advertiser to sell your information to. It also means that if you privately message your criminal manifesto, that Facebook reserves the right to dissominate that information to law enforcement or its content review partners to find out if they need to send it to law enforcement.

Do I want some PI to track my day to day movements? No. Do I have a legal remedy from stopping it? Nope, because they're not breaking the law.

[kutter]

First off, anyone that puts any kind of personal information on a social media website so they can be located is just looking for trouble. As creepy as I find what they claim to be doing, I worry more about the REAL whack jobs out there tracking me down and killing me. Don't use your real name, never give location information and ALWAYS use a VPN, then microsoft and facebook and twitter can all go fuck themselves.

I quit social media but when I was on it, where they thought I was, was never where I was.