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Shaps

02-25-2021, 10:18 AM

This is all planned. Biden is of course liberal, but he is more to the center than many Democrats want. The problem was that he was the Democrat with the greatest chance of winning the election.

However, Harris is very far to the Left - her selection is exactly what the Left wanted. It is just a matter of time before she becomes President, and the far Left has the President they desire.

I realize this - why do you think they've still got Martial Law in D.C. - why do you think they're asking for control of the nuclear codes - etc... People think it's all a joke, or I'm overly dramatic, or making this shit up. Years of work and experience inform my perspective, and it's sad to watch as people are so easily distracted with nonsense by those in power.

They'll all wake up one day asking what the hell happened. Personal corruption/enrichment has always been in politics... when that corruption extends to altering the very structure and foundation which ensures the freedoms people have, then the citizenry is in for a world of hurt.

We're not over the cliff yet (just peeking over the edge), but 2022 is going to be very telling.

Want a sobering example of this - Look at the local/state/federal voting that occurred in New Hampshire this past election. See if that makes any sense to you. It's a telling example - of course the oligarchy would tell you your crazy for looking at raw data/results and going "huh?".

Edit: https://ballotpedia.org/New_Hampshire_House_of_Representatives_elections,_ 2020

Back

02-25-2021, 10:25 AM

So you are against taking sole nuclear launch responsibility from Biden?

Alfster

02-25-2021, 10:28 AM

I like how they blame President Trump.. who was the most peaceful President in modern history... and it has nothing to do with President Biden's rapidly declining cognitive ability....

Haha..stopping the reporting of drone strikes somehow makes him peaceful? The bombs didn't stop, they just stopped reporting.

Yet the report from Brown University shows that under Trump there had been an escalation in warfare, through the use of air strikes, including from drones, and they had led to an increase in civilian deaths in Afghanistan.

In Trump's first year of office, his administration eased two restrictions for drone strikes: removing the limitation that only allowed strikes on high-ranking militants and removing the previous vetting process for drone strikes.

The US also relaxed a restriction on its rules of engagement so that it no longer had to be in direct contact with enemy forces to conduct air strikes.

"The consequences of the relaxed rules of engagement were immediate," the Cost of War project's report said.

This trend exists across the Middle East as well, with the US repeatedly using drone strikes in Iraq, Syria, Somalia and Yemen.

In 2017, drone strikes in Yemen increased by 300 percent from the previous year, according to data compiled by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism. The number of drone strikes in Somalia also increased significantly under Trump.

Still, the full picture of these attacks is not clear. In March, the US Central Command stopped publishing monthly summaries of its air strikes in Afghanistan.

Meanwhile, rights groups have criticised the United States Africa Command (US Africom) for failing to properly record civilian deaths in air strikes in Somalia.

Airwars, a UK-based war monitor, found that at least 86 civilians had benn killed in Yemen in 2020 as a direct result of US air strikes. The US has not declared a drone strike in Yemen since 2019.

Parkbandit

02-25-2021, 10:32 AM

So you are against taking sole nuclear launch responsibility from Biden?

Yes. President Biden is Commander in Chief.

Parkbandit

02-25-2021, 10:34 AM

Haha..stopping the reporting of drone strikes somehow makes him peaceful? The bombs didn't stop, they just stopped reporting.

Yet the report from Brown University shows that under Trump there had been an escalation in warfare, through the use of air strikes, including from drones, and they had led to an increase in civilian deaths in Afghanistan.

In Trump's first year of office, his administration eased two restrictions for drone strikes: removing the limitation that only allowed strikes on high-ranking militants and removing the previous vetting process for drone strikes.

The US also relaxed a restriction on its rules of engagement so that it no longer had to be in direct contact with enemy forces to conduct air strikes.

"The consequences of the relaxed rules of engagement were immediate," the Cost of War project's report said.

This trend exists across the Middle East as well, with the US repeatedly using drone strikes in Iraq, Syria, Somalia and Yemen.

In 2017, drone strikes in Yemen increased by 300 percent from the previous year, according to data compiled by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism. The number of drone strikes in Somalia also increased significantly under Trump.

Still, the full picture of these attacks is not clear. In March, the US Central Command stopped publishing monthly summaries of its air strikes in Afghanistan.

Meanwhile, rights groups have criticised the United States Africa Command (US Africom) for failing to properly record civilian deaths in air strikes in Somalia.

Airwars, a UK-based war monitor, found that at least 86 civilians had benn killed in Yemen in 2020 as a direct result of US air strikes. The US has not declared a drone strike in Yemen since 2019.

President Trump is the first President in recent history not to get us into another war and withdrew forces from existing wars.

I know that bothers you.. because your media told you that Trump was going to start WW3. Sorry :(

Shaps

02-25-2021, 10:41 AM

So you are against taking sole nuclear launch responsibility from Biden?

Back - It's not about Biden.

If they don't want Biden to have control, invoke the 25th. Mechanisms are already in place, and established, for situations like that.

I'm not going to, and can't, explain my reasons for thinking the way I do in this forum. I understand you may disagree. I understand you will have your own thoughts. I understand it's okay to disagree. I also hope I'm wrong, that's why I caveat it with - we're not there 100% yet - but it's very, very close and why the 2022 election cycle will be telling.

Those are my assessments and hence where my concerns stem from. I want all the citizenry, you included, to have the freedom to do what you want and live your life. I still have about 30+ years to live in this country, and I would like to enjoy it. I want everyone else to enjoy their lives. But what I want, and what we end up with are two very different things.

As said, I'll happily be proven wrong. That means that both you and I can continue living a relatively free existence. I currently don't see it heading that direction unfortunately.

Parkbandit

02-25-2021, 10:49 AM

I understand you will have your own thoughts.

That's a low blow.. you know he doesn't.

Apologize imo.

Shaps

02-25-2021, 10:49 AM

Haha..stopping the reporting of drone strikes somehow makes him peaceful? The bombs didn't stop, they just stopped reporting.

Yet the report from Brown University shows that under Trump there had been an escalation in warfare, through the use of air strikes, including from drones, and they had led to an increase in civilian deaths in Afghanistan.

In Trump's first year of office, his administration eased two restrictions for drone strikes: removing the limitation that only allowed strikes on high-ranking militants and removing the previous vetting process for drone strikes.

The US also relaxed a restriction on its rules of engagement so that it no longer had to be in direct contact with enemy forces to conduct air strikes.

"The consequences of the relaxed rules of engagement were immediate," the Cost of War project's report said.

This trend exists across the Middle East as well, with the US repeatedly using drone strikes in Iraq, Syria, Somalia and Yemen.

In 2017, drone strikes in Yemen increased by 300 percent from the previous year, according to data compiled by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism. The number of drone strikes in Somalia also increased significantly under Trump.

Still, the full picture of these attacks is not clear. In March, the US Central Command stopped publishing monthly summaries of its air strikes in Afghanistan.

Meanwhile, rights groups have criticised the United States Africa Command (US Africom) for failing to properly record civilian deaths in air strikes in Somalia.

Airwars, a UK-based war monitor, found that at least 86 civilians had benn killed in Yemen in 2020 as a direct result of US air strikes. The US has not declared a drone strike in Yemen since 2019.

86? Wow. Big number there.

All civilian causalities are to be mourned. That number would be a lot larger, not to mention the loss of US personnel, if it had been ground forces used instead of drones. And if you think more civilians died/suffered in Afghanistan from drone strikes vs. the previous 19 years and what ground combat entails, then you are misinformed.

We can debate the concepts of "noble warfare" and how best to utilize resources available to achieve an objective (diplomatic, militarily, economically, etc.) - but Trump is the only one in multiple decades to reduce and actively deter force-on-force confrontation as a stated Policy and strategic goal.

You can hate Trump - that is your right - but facts and policy matter more to me than personality.

Back

02-25-2021, 10:53 AM

Back - It's not about Biden.

If they don't want Biden to have control, invoke the 25th. Mechanisms are already in place, and established, for situations like that.

I'm not going to, and can't, explain my reasons for thinking the way I do in this forum. I understand you may disagree. I understand you will have your own thoughts. I understand it's okay to disagree. I also hope I'm wrong, that's why I caveat it with - we're not there 100% yet - but it's very, very close and why the 2022 election cycle will be telling.

Those are my assessments and hence where my concerns stem from. I want all the citizenry, you included, to have the freedom to do what you want and live your life. I still have about 30+ years to live in this country, and I would like to enjoy it. I want everyone else to enjoy their lives. But what I want, and what we end up with are two very different things.

As said, I'll happily be proven wrong. That means that both you and I can continue living a relatively free existence. I currently don't see it heading that direction unfortunately.

I appreciate the concern and feel the same about your freedoms and security. Truth is we have been living very well compared to most of the world while peacefully amongst each other. I don't see that changing unless the people who want us to fight keep dividing us. I'm convinced the people who want us to fight are the ultra wealthy because they are afraid of being taxed fairly. But back to the subject of nuclear codes...

Is it really a great idea to give 1 individual the sole power to throw the entire world into a post-apocalyptic wasteland? What are the merits of having just 1 person as opposed to 3-10 people?

I can see the point of having 1 person we ultimately trust with that power. But what if the electorate votes a complete incompetent jackass to the executive office? Maybe its a good idea to have another opinion regardless of who is in the executive position. If they are competent and just the other people involved will follow, if they are incompetent and dumb we save the world from Armageddon.

Ashliana

02-25-2021, 10:58 AM

https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjp57d/democrats-ask-biden-to-give-up-his-unilateral-power-to-launch-nukes

Telling you - it's coming.

Trying to blame Trump - when he's the first President in decades who wanted, and actually reduced, US military engagements around the world. Think what you will about him, that is a fact.

People better start waking the fuck up.

"IT'S COMING!!!shift+1111!!!11!!!"

What's coming?

"IT'S COMING!!!!!!!!"

You're right, Shaps. You should be very afraid. Perhaps you should hide in your bunker, seal it air-tight, and not come out.

I like how they blame President Trump.. who was the most peaceful President in modern history...

Trump:

1) brought us to the brink of nuclear war with North Korea for no reason
2) risked starting WWIII by assassinating one of Iran's leaders with one of those drone strikes you used to pretend to hate Obama for
3) repeatedly brought the United States' commitment to NATO into question, and would've withdrawn us without the universal, bipartisan criticism he faced each time he tried.

The notion that Trump was "the most peaceful" is mind-bogglingly retarded -- even for you -- which REALLY says something. Are you having another stroke, or this your usual intellectual dishonesty at work?

and it has nothing to do with President Biden's rapidly declining cognitive ability....

You and Shaps voted for Trump, whose mind is swiss cheese. Trump can't coherently talk about anything without veering off into WILD tangents and meaningless word salad, railing about conspiracy theories about wind mills causing cancer, repeatedly claimed that he signed bills that Obama signed into law, randomly walked OFF STAGE during events, randomly walked AWAY FROM BILLS he was about to sign, etc. Trump's mental decline was severe, just as Reagan's was, and just as we now know Reagan's staff was constantly scrambling to hide from the public.

Biden is, and always has, been a gaffe machine, but his decline is nowhere near Trump's level which, magically, you had no problem with. But if you didn't have double standards, you wouldn't have any at all.

Shaps

02-25-2021, 11:06 AM

I appreciate the concern and feel the same about your freedoms and security. Truth is we have been living very well compared to most of the world while peacefully amongst each other. I don't see that changing unless the people who want us to fight keep dividing us. I'm convinced the people who want us to fight are the ultra wealthy because they are afraid of being taxed fairly. But back to the subject of nuclear codes...

Is it really a great idea to give 1 individual the sole power to throw the entire world into a post-apocalyptic wasteland? What are the merits of having just 1 person as opposed to 3-10 people?

I can see the point of having 1 person we ultimately trust with that power. But what if the electorate votes a complete incompetent jackass to the executive office? Maybe its a good idea to have another opinion regardless of who is in the executive position. If they are competent and just the other people involved will follow, if they are incompetent and dumb we save the world from Armageddon.

Without weighing my explanation down with particulars - the President can not push the button themselves. Mechanisms are already in place to ensure rational, legal, and necessary authorization to deploy a nuclear strike.

What I'm saying - safeguards are already in place.

What is being attempted by removing this power from the Office of the President, is a much more long term strategy than just the "on the surface" concept that you just expressed. It's all intertwined. This is not about one person, Biden or Trump are just proxies... this is about structures, systems, policies, laws, and concepts that ensure protections from totalitarian regimes.

On a separate note, for the first time you actually said in a post "the people who want us to fight keep dividing us". I'm happy to see that. I'm glad to see you might be starting to realize how they drive us, as neighbors, to assume the worst in one another so that they can retain their positions of power - when in reality - if they just did what was best for the citizenry, they would anyways. But that one phrase you used, gives me some slight hope.

Back

02-25-2021, 11:08 AM

Shaps

02-25-2021, 11:10 AM

"IT'S COMING!!!shift+1111!!!11!!!"

What's coming?

"IT'S COMING!!!!!!!!"

You're right, Shaps. You should be very afraid. Perhaps you should hide in your bunker, seal it air-tight, and not come out.

Trump:

1) brought us to the brink of nuclear war with North Korea for no reason
2) risked starting WWIII by assassinating one of Iran's leaders with one of those drone strikes you used to pretend to hate Obama for
3) repeatedly brought the United States' commitment to NATO into question, and would've withdrawn us without the universal, bipartisan criticism he faced each time he tried.

The notion that Trump was "the most peaceful" is mind-bogglingly retarded -- even for you -- which REALLY says something. Are you having another stroke, or this your usual intellectual dishonesty at work?

You and Shaps voted for Trump, whose mind is swiss cheese. Trump can't coherently talk about anything without veering off into WILD tangents and meaningless word salad, railing about conspiracy theories about wind mills causing cancer, repeatedly claimed that he signed bills that Obama signed into law, randomly walked OFF STAGE during events, randomly walked AWAY FROM BILLS he was about to sign, etc. Trump's mental decline was severe, just as Reagan's was, and just as we now know Reagan's staff was constantly scrambling to hide from the public.

Biden is, and always has, been a gaffe machine, but his decline is nowhere near Trump's level which, magically, you had no problem with. But if you didn't have double standards, you wouldn't have any at all.

Oh look, they must have woke up -

I didn't read it and will ignore them as usual, but I assume they said some "blah blah blah" and projected their insecurities on the rest of us.

As I said yesterday, don't give them recognition.. it's much calmer without feeding their delusions.

Shaps

02-25-2021, 11:11 AM

Yeah, this is really contrary to reality. Did you read this in a Trump fundraising email?

And you immediately go back to stupid. Do you have multi-personality disorder? That was such a flip in less than 5 minutes. Jesus Christ.

~Rocktar~

02-25-2021, 11:17 AM

So you are against taking sole nuclear launch responsibility from Biden?

He is the sniffer in chief. If he can't be trusted with the codes then he should be removed from office and Harris gets a partial term before being removed.

You idiots were all aflutter with kicking Trump out because he couldn't be trusted with the codes. Now you want the codes and to keep your puppet too?

Ashliana

02-25-2021, 11:20 AM

Oh look, they must have woke up -

I didn't read it and will ignore them as usual, but I assume they said some "blah blah blah" and projected their insecurities on the rest of us.

As I said yesterday, don't give them recognition.. it's much calmer without feeding their delusions.

Aww. Poor Shaps couldn't come up with a response! What a shock! Better luck pretending you have a defensible position in your next retarded thread!

Parkbandit

02-25-2021, 11:25 AM

Trump:

1) brought us to the brink of nuclear war with North Korea for no reason
2) risked starting WWIII by assassinating one of Iran's leaders with one of those drone strikes you used to pretend to hate Obama for
3) repeatedly brought the United States' commitment to NATO into question, and would've withdrawn us without the universal, bipartisan criticism he faced each time he tried.

The notion that Trump was "the most peaceful" is mind-bogglingly retarded -- even for you -- which REALLY says something. Are you having another stroke, or this your usual intellectual dishonesty at work?

Sorry.. we're actually talking facts here.

President Trump has been the most peaceful President in recent history. Period.

This is backed up by the lack of wars he brought us into and the number of troops he withdrew from those combat regions.

We're not talking about your fee fees here and wild speculation.. we're just talking about facts.

When you have to use words like "brink" and "risked", you know you aren't dealing in actual facts.

Sorry. :(

Now, if you want to actually come back with some facts that support your emotional and blind partisan position, let's hear them. If you are going to continue with your "BUT I WUZ TOLD HE WOULD BRING ABOUT WW3 AND NUCLEAR WARZ!", then maybe you should stick to your properly labeled thread and keep your stupidity there.

Thanks.

Parkbandit

02-25-2021, 11:29 AM

Yeah, this is really contrary to reality. Did you read this in a Trump fundraising email?

I would ask you to back it up with facts.. but we both know you can't.

Prove me wrong.

Ashliana

02-25-2021, 11:33 AM

Sorry.. we're actually talking facts here.

If you mean "talking facts here," you mean "ignoring facts here," as you did in this post, sure. But your unilateral declarations still lack the power to warp and twist reality to suit your delusions, much to your obvious dismay.

President Trump has been the most peaceful President in recent history. Period.

... Except for all those previously mentioned examples, which only didn't end in disaster due to the responsibility of other people who had to deal with Trump not being as mind-blowingly retarded as he is.

This is backed up by the lack of wars he brought us into and the number of troops he withdrew from those combat regions.

That's a piece of evidence in favor of your argument. However, you're ignoring the pieces of evidence against your position, above, as well as ignoring the fact that Trump's troop withdrawals were roundly condemned by many, including fellow Republicans, as he did so with no regard to the effect they would have on those regions.

We're not talking about your fee fees here and wild speculation.. we're just talking about facts.

Except, again, not really.

When you have to use words like "brink" and "risked", you know you aren't dealing in actual facts.

Sorry. :(

Again, just because Iran didn't choose to continue escalating the war Trump risked, doesn't mean Trump's decision was retarded, or that Trump's actions don't undercut your retarded position that he's "the most peaceful president in recent history." Alas.

Now, if you want to actually come back with some facts that support your emotional and blind partisan position, let's hear them. If you are going to continue with your "BUT I WUZ TOLD HE WOULD BRING ABOUT WW3 AND NUCLEAR WARZ!", then maybe you should stick to your properly labeled thread and keep your stupidity there.

Thanks.

Your ignorance about what political scientists were saying about Trump's actions throughout his presidency reflects on you, Parkbandit. Willful ignorance on your part doesn't constitute a reasoned position. Better luck next time.

Parkbandit

02-25-2021, 11:40 AM

If you mean "talking facts here," you mean "ignoring facts here," as you did in this post, sure. But your unilateral declarations still lack the power to warp and twist reality to suit your delusions, much to your obvious dismay.

... Except for all those previously mentioned examples, which only didn't end in disaster due to the responsibility of other people who had to deal with Trump not being as mind-blowingly retarded as he is.

That's a piece of evidence in favor of your argument. However, you're ignoring the pieces of evidence against your position, above, as well as ignoring the fact that Trump's troop withdrawals were roundly condemned by many, including fellow Republicans, as he did so with no regard to the effect they would have on those regions.

Except, again, not really.

Again, just because Iran didn't choose to continue escalating the war Trump risked, doesn't mean Trump's decision was retarded, or that Trump's actions don't undercut your retarded position that he's "the most peaceful president in recent history." Alas.

Your ignorance about what political scientists were saying about Trump's actions throughout his presidency reflects on you, Parkbandit. Willful ignorance on your part doesn't constitute a reasoned position. Better luck next time.

President Trump was the most peaceful President in the past 50 years which is backed up by the lack of wars he initiated and the number of troops he brought home from previous combat areas.

If you want to actually dispute this fact, then present facts.

If you want to go on your emotional tirade because you heard on MSNBC that President Trump brought us to the brink of nuclear war and WW3, then perhaps we should continue this in your special thread with the padded walls.

Present actual facts, Ashliana.. or just continue with your estrogen fueled rage in this thread: http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?128125-A-thread-for-Ashliana

I'll even help you out: President Ford was the last President before President Trump to not start a new war. That was 40+ years ago.

Ashliana

02-25-2021, 11:46 AM

President Trump was the most peaceful President in the past 50 years which is backed up by the lack of wars he initiated and the number of troops he brought home from previous combat areas.

That's a piece of evidence in favor of your argument. However, you're ignoring the pieces of evidence against your position, above, as well as ignoring the fact that Trump's troop withdrawals were roundly condemned by many, including fellow Republicans, as he did so with no regard to the effect they would have on those regions.

If you want to actually dispute this fact, then present facts.

Trump:

1) brought us to the brink of nuclear war with North Korea for no reason
2) risked starting WWIII by assassinating one of Iran's leaders with one of those drone strikes you used to pretend to hate Obama for
3) repeatedly brought the United States' commitment to NATO into question, and would've withdrawn us without the universal, bipartisan criticism he faced each time he tried.

The notion that Trump was "the most peaceful" is mind-bogglingly retarded -- even for you -- which REALLY says something. Are you having another stroke, or this your usual intellectual dishonesty at work?

If you want to go on your emotional tirade because you heard on MSNBC that President Trump brought us to the brink of nuclear war and WW3, then perhaps we should continue this in your special thread with the padded walls.

Present actual facts, Ashliana.. or just continue with your estrogen fueled rage in this thread: http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?128125-A-thread-for-Ashliana

I'll even help you out: President Ford was the last President before President Trump to not start a new war. That was 40+ years ago.

Your ignorance about what political scientists were saying about Trump's actions throughout his presidency reflects on you, Parkbandit. Willful ignorance on your part doesn't constitute a reasoned position. Better luck next time.

Parkbandit

02-25-2021, 11:48 AM

That's a piece of evidence in favor of your argument. However, you're ignoring the pieces of evidence against your position, above, as well as ignoring the fact that Trump's troop withdrawals were roundly condemned by many, including fellow Republicans, as he did so with no regard to the effect they would have on those regions.

Trump:

1) brought us to the brink of nuclear war with North Korea for no reason
2) risked starting WWIII by assassinating one of Iran's leaders with one of those drone strikes you used to pretend to hate Obama for
3) repeatedly brought the United States' commitment to NATO into question, and would've withdrawn us without the universal, bipartisan criticism he faced each time he tried.

The notion that Trump was "the most peaceful" is mind-bogglingly retarded -- even for you -- which REALLY says something. Are you having another stroke, or this your usual intellectual dishonesty at work?

Your ignorance about what political scientists were saying about Trump's actions throughout his presidency reflects on you, Parkbandit. Willful ignorance on your part doesn't constitute a reasoned position. Better luck next time.

So.. no facts... just fee fees.

I accept your concession. Now, I bumped your special thread... let's go there.

Back

02-25-2021, 11:48 AM

Not to mention he rallied up his white supremacist supporters into an insurrection against his own government to overturn the will of the majority of our democracy.

Ashliana

02-25-2021, 11:49 AM

So.. no facts... just fee fees.

I accept your concession. Now, I bumped your special thread... let's go there.

Your unwillingness (or inability) to read reflects on you, Parkbandit. Sorry you couldn't deal with reality and had to stick in GOP fantasy land, but perhaps you'll poke your head out and visit Earth someday.

Parkbandit

02-25-2021, 12:04 PM

Parkbandit

02-25-2021, 12:08 PM

Your unwillingness (or inability) to read reflects on you, Parkbandit. Sorry you couldn't deal with reality and had to stick in GOP fantasy land, but perhaps you'll poke your head out and visit Earth someday.

Your unwillingness (and absolutely inability) to present a case of facts reflects on you, Ashliana. Sorry you couldn't deal with reality and had to stuck to DEM fantasy talking points, but perhaps you'll poke your head out your Democrat overlords' asses and visit reality someday. Given your history on this message board and the fantasy world you have to escape to... I give it zero chance.

Present actual facts. Hell, you could have used President Biden "PRESIDENT BIDEN HASN'T GOTTEN US IN ANY WARZ YET!" and that would be FACTUALLY accurate.

You haven't presented any facts. You've presented the same stuff we've been hearing the pundits claim for years.

No facts though :(

I accept your concession.

Ashliana

02-25-2021, 12:09 PM

Not to mention he rallied up his white supremacist supporters into an insurrection against his own government to overturn the will of the majority of our democracy.So you have no facts to back up my assertion.

Good to know you rely on feelings to present your case.

You mean to back up his assertion? Which, uhh, he did? Trump's hysterical bullshitting caused the first failure of the peaceful transition of power in your extremely lengthy lifetime, and your failure to read (or comprehend) what Back wrote -- which definitely destroys your retarded position -- reflects on you. You simply declaring that up is down and the sky is purple lacks the power to warp and twist reality to suit your delusions.

Better luck next time!

Ashliana

02-25-2021, 12:10 PM

Your unwillingness (and absolutely inability) to present a case of facts reflects on you, Ashliana. Sorry you couldn't deal with reality and had to stuck to DEM fantasy talking points, but perhaps you'll poke your head out your Democrat overlords' asses and visit reality someday. Given your history on this message board and the fantasy world you have to escape to... I give it zero chance.

Present actual facts. Hell, you could have used President Biden "PRESIDENT BIDEN HASN'T GOTTEN US IN ANY WARZ YET!" and that would be FACTUALLY accurate.

You haven't presented any facts. You've presented the same stuff we've been hearing the pundits claim for years.

No facts though :(

I accept your concession.

You made an exceptionally poorly-reasoned case dependent upon selectively discounting Trump's numerous other actions, those actions were pointed out, and you've had a tantrum for two pages now. Your inability to deal with new information as it's presented only reflects on you, much to your obvious dismay. But if you were capable of being informed, or laying out a coherent position, you probably wouldn't be a Trump supporter, so that's no surprise there.

Better luck next time!

Back

02-25-2021, 12:21 PM

Without weighing my explanation down with particulars - the President can not push the button themselves. Mechanisms are already in place to ensure rational, legal, and necessary authorization to deploy a nuclear strike.

What I'm saying - safeguards are already in place.

What is being attempted by removing this power from the Office of the President, is a much more long term strategy than just the "on the surface" concept that you just expressed. It's all intertwined. This is not about one person, Biden or Trump are just proxies... this is about structures, systems, policies, laws, and concepts that ensure protections from totalitarian regimes.

On a separate note, for the first time you actually said in a post "the people who want us to fight keep dividing us". I'm happy to see that. I'm glad to see you might be starting to realize how they drive us, as neighbors, to assume the worst in one another so that they can retain their positions of power - when in reality - if they just did what was best for the citizenry, they would anyways. But that one phrase you used, gives me some slight hope.

The real revolution will be when all the divided factions team up and rise up against true totalitarianism for the few at the expense of the majority. We haven't seen true totalitarianism in this country so the factions have not teamed up.

So I guess I need to read more about what this is really about since you make the point that the US President is not the sole executor of the nuclear armaments. If there are already other checks in place that would prevent a madman from extinguishing life on this planet as we know it then I need to read more about what this proposal is all about.

And you immediately go back to stupid. Do you have multi-personality disorder? That was such a flip in less than 5 minutes. Jesus Christ.

Democracy is a pain in the ass, huh? :lol::lol::lol:

Parkbandit

02-25-2021, 12:40 PM

You made an exceptionally poorly-reasoned case dependent upon selectively discounting Trump's numerous other actions, those actions were pointed out, and you've had a tantrum for two pages now. Your inability to deal with new information as it's presented only reflects on you, much to your obvious dismay. But if you were capable of being informed, or laying out a coherent position, you probably wouldn't be a Trump supporter, so that's no surprise there.

Better luck next time!

What metrics do you want to use to determine which President has put American forces into battle instead of number of wars started and number of troops brought back? How many times President Trump said something mean? Number of Tweets?

It's pretty basic: President Trump has been the most peaceful President since President Ford.

I suppose if you want to make a new thread with Which President hurt the most feelings, then you actually might have a point for once.

Claiming "PRESIDENT TRUMP ALMOST STARTED WW3!!" isn't a fact. Claiming "PRESIDENT TRUMP ALMOST STARTED A NUCLEAR WAR WITH NORTH KOREA" isn't a fact.

If you can't present facts.. maybe stop making yourself look so stupid in this thread and keep that sort of mental torture in your special thread... it's why it was created.

I know you can't present facts though.. so I'll just accept your defeat and we will move back to your thread with the back and forth.

Ashliana

02-25-2021, 12:42 PM

What metrics do you want to use to determine which President has put American forces into battle instead of number of wars started and number of troops brought back? How many times President Trump said something mean? Number of Tweets?

It's pretty basic: President Trump has been the most peaceful President since President Ford.

I suppose if you want to make a new thread with Which President hurt the most feelings, then you actually might have a point for once.

Claiming "PRESIDENT TRUMP ALMOST STARTED WW3!!" isn't a fact. Claiming "PRESIDENT TRUMP ALMOST STARTED A NUCLEAR WAR WITH NORTH KOREA" isn't a fact.

If you can't present facts.. maybe stop making yourself look so stupid in this thread and keep that sort of mental torture in your special thread... it's why it was created.

I know you can't present facts though.. so I'll just accept your defeat and we will move back to your thread with the back and forth.

You've asserted a poorly reasoned position, predicated on viewing Trump through an extremely narrow lens, and when that lens is widened, you've freaked out and thrown a tantrum repeatedly. All of Trump's actions affect the notion of where or not he's been "the most peaceful president in modern history," as you erroneously claimed. Your inability to deal with the totality of Trump's actions -- facts -- reflects on you.

Better luck coming up with a coherent position next time.

Shaps

02-25-2021, 12:43 PM

The real revolution will be when all the divided factions team up and rise up against true totalitarianism for the few at the expense of the majority. We haven't seen true totalitarianism in this country so the factions have not teamed up.

So I guess I need to read more about what this is really about since you make the point that the US President is not the sole executor of the nuclear armaments. If there are already other checks in place that would prevent a madman from extinguishing life on this planet as we know it then I need to read more about what this proposal is all about.

Democracy is a pain in the ass, huh? :lol::lol::lol:

I swear sometimes I want to smack you, and others you crack me the fuck up. :)

Back

02-25-2021, 01:14 PM

I swear sometimes I want to smack you, and others you crack me the fuck up. :)

From what I am reading the president has a sole authority to launch nuclear weapons. So unless someone in the operation between the president and the launch button goes against orders I don't know where the checks you are talking about kick in.

In the article a gentleman who rejects the whole notion of MAD as a deterrence puts forth the idea that having multiple people involved in the decision makes sense rather than pressuring 1 person into making a snap decision. He calls into question the need for a response to be so immediate. With more people involved in the decision it would get more viewpoints and force them to take a little more time to rationalize it out.

Alfster

02-25-2021, 01:57 PM

President Trump is the first President in recent history not to get us into another war and withdrew forces from existing wars.

I know that bothers you.. because your media told you that Trump was going to start WW3. Sorry :(

All the while increasing collateral damage - which doesn't make him magically peaceful.

Bidens done nothing to change the approach either, but to say that killing more civilians is peaceful is some backwards ass logic

Parkbandit

02-25-2021, 02:03 PM

You've asserted a poorly reasoned position, predicated on viewing Trump through an extremely narrow lens, and when that lens is widened, you've freaked out and thrown a tantrum repeatedly. All of Trump's actions affect the notion of where or not he's been "the most peaceful president in modern history," as you erroneously claimed. Your inability to deal with the totality of Trump's actions -- facts -- reflects on you.

Better luck coming up with a coherent position next time.

So to recap:

PB: President Trump has been the most peaceful President in modern history
IT: NO HE HASN'T, HE ALMOST STARTED WW3 AND HE ALMOST WENT TO NUCLEAR WAR WITH N KOREA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PB: I'm just talking about facts here, not feelings. Quantifiable results, not what ifs or but they could have. Words like "brink" and "risked" aren't facts... those are opinions.
IT: YOU'RE WRONG, TRUMP WAS A WARMONGER BECAUSE I HEARD THE MEDIA TELL ME HE WAS! ALSO, HE WAS CONDEMNED BY PEOPLE EVEN REPUBLICANS!!!
PB: I get it, but if we're talking about just the facts and how many wars he started and how many troops he brought back from other wars, he is miles ahead of any recent President
IT: NO NO NO!! YOU NEED TO USE DIFFERENT MEASUREMENTS BECAUSE THOSE ARE NOT FAIR!!!!!!!!!
PB: What metrics would you like to use for Most Peaceful President?
IT: SOMETHING LIKE WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED IF IRAN OR N KOREA DID ATTACK AND WE DECLARED WAR ON THEM!!!
PB: What? We're just dealing with facts as they happened.. not something from the Multiverse or parallel dimensions. Just THIS reality.
IT: NO NO NO!!! YOU'RE JUST HAVING A TANTRUM!!! I WANT TO INCLUDE FEELINGS AND QUOTES FROM ANTI-TRUMPERS AS A METRIC!!
PB: Maybe you should just go to your special thread and regurgitate your lines over and over again there. Let's not have a back and forth in every thread.
IT: I WIN YOU CONCEEDED!
PB: ........

Parkbandit

02-25-2021, 02:07 PM

All the while increasing collateral damage - which doesn't make him magically peaceful.

Be specific.. what actions did Trump take that increased "collateral damage"?

Bidens done nothing to change the approach either, but to say that killing more civilians is peaceful is some backwards ass logic

Well, Biden has been in office just over 1 month, and Trump was 48 months.. but you are correct. Currently, Biden is the most peaceful President in modern history.

I'll retract my statement and create a new one: President Trump has been the most peaceful President in recent history who served a full term.

Is that better?

Ashliana

02-25-2021, 02:21 PM

So to recap:

PB: President Trump has been the most peaceful President in modern history
IT: NO HE HASN'T, HE ALMOST STARTED WW3 AND HE ALMOST WENT TO NUCLEAR WAR WITH N KOREA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PB: I'm just talking about facts here, not feelings. Quantifiable results, not what ifs or but they could have. Words like "brink" and "risked" aren't facts... those are opinions.
IT: YOU'RE WRONG, TRUMP WAS A WARMONGER BECAUSE I HEARD THE MEDIA TELL ME HE WAS! ALSO, HE WAS CONDEMNED BY PEOPLE EVEN REPUBLICANS!!!
PB: I get it, but if we're talking about just the facts and how many wars he started and how many troops he brought back from other wars, he is miles ahead of any recent President
IT: NO NO NO!! YOU NEED TO USE DIFFERENT MEASUREMENTS BECAUSE THOSE ARE NOT FAIR!!!!!!!!!
PB: What metrics would you like to use for Most Peaceful President?
IT: SOMETHING LIKE WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED IF IRAN OR N KOREA DID ATTACK AND WE DECLARED WAR ON THEM!!!
PB: What? We're just dealing with facts as they happened.. not something from the Multiverse or parallel dimensions. Just THIS reality.
IT: NO NO NO!!! YOU'RE JUST HAVING A TANTRUM!!! I WANT TO INCLUDE FEELINGS AND QUOTES FROM ANTI-TRUMPERS AS A METRIC!!
PB: Maybe you should just go to your special thread and regurgitate your lines over and over again there. Let's not have a back and forth in every thread.
IT: I WIN YOU CONCEEDED!
PB: ........

So to re-cap:

PB: TRUMP IS THE MOST PEACEFUL PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF (A)
Ashliana: What about (B) and (C)?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Back: What about (D)?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!

Best of luck figuring out how to address the totality of Trump's actions. :)

Parkbandit

02-25-2021, 02:30 PM

Ashliana

02-25-2021, 02:33 PM

If (B) = HE ALMOST STARTED WW3!!!! and (C) = HE ALMOST STARTED A NUCLEAR WAR AGAINST N KOREA!!! then yea... I addressed that when I said we're only talking about facts and not opinions.

And don't forget your (D) of "MANY PEOPLE CONDEMN HIM EVEN REPUBLICANS!!".. which isn't even an opinion.. it just has nothing to do with what we are talking about. But you go "girl!"

Best of luck this week.. I know President Trump speaking will be very traumatic for you. He's probably going to hurt someone's fee fees!!

Your mischaracterizations don't have the power to warp and twist reality to suit your delusions, much to your obvious dismay. The fact that Trump threatened "fire and fury from the sky" and brought us close to war with North Korea, that he risked WWIII by assassinating one of Iran's leaders, and failed to oversee the peaceful transition of power for the first time in your tragically long lifespan, aren't "opinions from MSNBC," as you erroneously stated.

Best of luck figuring out why Trump will be reviled by history, and not hailed as "the most peaceful president in recent history." You'll be able to soothe his fee-fees, and your fee-fees about him losing, someday.

Parkbandit

02-25-2021, 02:41 PM

Your mischaracterizations don't have the power to warp and twist reality to suit your delusions, much to your obvious dismay. The fact that Trump threatened "fire and fury from the sky" and brought us close to war with North Korea, that he risked WWIII by assassinating one of Iran's leaders, and failed to oversee the peaceful transition of power for the first time in your tragically long lifespan, aren't "opinions from MSNBC," as you erroneously stated.

Best of luck figuring out why Trump will be reviled by history, and not hailed as "the most peaceful president in recent history." You'll be able to soothe his fee-fees, and your fee-fees about him losing, someday.

So you are down to regurgitating your DNC talking points still. He didn't start WWIII as we were told he would... and he didn't start a war with North Korea as we were told he would... so those are literally opinions. Now, HAD he started a nuclear war with N Korea and started WWIII, then (and only then) you would actually have a point!! But he didn't and just repeating the same tired lines you heard for 4 years isn't factually based in this reality.

Sorry. But hey, here is your participation trophy:

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Ashliana

02-25-2021, 03:03 PM

So you are down to regurgitating your DNC talking points still. He didn't start WWIII as we were told he would... and he didn't start a war with North Korea as we were told he would... so those are literally opinions.

Already addressed. "... Except for all those previously mentioned examples, which only didn't end in disaster due to the responsibility of other people who had to deal with Trump not being as mind-blowingly retarded as he is."

Now, HAD he started a nuclear war with N Korea and started WWIII, then (and only then) you would actually have a point!! But he didn't and just repeating the same tired lines you heard for 4 years isn't factually based in this reality.

Translation: "You can't criticize Trump for his attempts to make things worse, because his attempts were all foiled!"

Reality: Yes, we can.

Sorry. But hey, here is your participation trophy:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d0/e5/ba/d0e5ba31f2c092a23a6c52789df695d4.jpg

Better luck coming laying out a coherent position next time, and dealing with unwelcome facts instead of making arguments relying solely on your fee-fees and regurgitated Tucker Carlson rants.

Parkbandit

02-25-2021, 04:34 PM

Already addressed. "... Except for all those previously mentioned examples, which only didn't end in disaster due to the responsibility of other people who had to deal with Trump not being as mind-blowingly retarded as he is."

That is not a fact. That is an opinion based upon a result that was proclaimed for 4 years and never materialized.

Translation: "You can't criticize Trump for his attempts to make things worse, because his attempts were all foiled!"

Reality: Yes, we can.

Who said you can't criticize Trump? I'm saying that President Trump has been the most peaceful President in recent history who served a full term. That is supported by the number of wars he started and the number of armed forces he has brought home from previous conflicts.

You've been critical of Trump for 5+ years. Never said you can't criticize him.

I'm just saying that "he almost started WW3" isn't a factual event, it's an opinion that we've been told Trump would do for 5+ years that never materialized.

Better luck coming laying out a coherent position next time, and dealing with unwelcome facts instead of making arguments relying solely on your fee-fees and regurgitated Tucker Carlson rants.

The position was perfectly coherent... not my fault you don't understand fact vs. opinion. It's a pretty tricky concept until you get to the intelligence level of a 3rd or 4th grader... then it's pretty easy.

Here, maybe you could use this help: https://www.literacyideas.com/teaching-fact-and-opinion

Ashliana

02-25-2021, 04:47 PM

That is not a fact. That is an opinion based upon a result that was proclaimed for 4 years and never materialized.

My examples were factual, regardless of whether or not there are aspects of it that were "opinion" -- and what kind of opinion? Expert opinion -- on the side. He was on Twitter and TV threatening "fire and fury" with North Korea, threatening war like "no one had ever seen." That's a fact. His actions caused the "minutes till midnight" Doomsday clock to advance, and worldwide panic about what was going to happen. That's a fact. You, an uneducated tradesman from Florida, have an irrelevant opinion no one gives two shits about.

Trump had one of Iran's leaders assassinated, causing worldwide panic about the potential for starting a global war. That's a fact, regardless of other, more responsible people than Trump, deciding not to escalate the issue.

Trump's repeated undermining of NATO and questioning our committment to responding to an attack on a member state is a matter of public record (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/22/us/politics/donald-trump-foreign-policy-interview.html?_r=0), and not an "opinion."

Who said you can't criticize Trump? I'm saying that President Trump has been the most peaceful President in recent history who served a full term. That is supported by the number of wars he started and the number of armed forces he has brought home from previous conflicts.

You're viewing a limited number of his actions, and discounting the rest, rushing to an erroneous conclusion that falls apart the second it's examined. In other words, you're retarded.

You've been critical of Trump for 5+ years. Never said you can't criticize him.

I'm just saying that "he almost started WW3" isn't a factual event, it's an opinion that we've been told Trump would do for 5+ years that never materialized.

Political scientists all over the world were terrified of what Trump was going to get us into. Nobody has a crystal ball, but the fact that other people were more responsible than Trump doesn't mean Trump gets a pass on his insane actions.

The position was perfectly coherent... not my fault you don't understand fact vs. opinion. It's a pretty tricky concept until you get to the intelligence level of a 3rd or 4th grader... then it's pretty easy.

Here, maybe you could use this help: https://www.literacyideas.com/teaching-fact-and-opinion

Perhaps you should read it yourself, since you don't seem to understand the difference between objective facts, expert commentary on those facts, and "opinion." The actions Trump took -- which undermine your retarded position -- are facts. Those facts can then be extrapolated into opinions about those facts, which doesn't change the nature of the underlying facts.

Better luck next time.

Shaps

02-25-2021, 05:07 PM

For you talking heads - here are facts:

1. https://civiliansinconflict.org/publications/testimony/civic-welcomes-annual-dod-report-on-civilian-casualties/
This is in response to the Trump era edict and DOD policy for transparency in civilian deaths that occurred during US military operations. Policy put into place in 2018. Note: This unfettered transparency occurred under President Trump.

2. https://media.defense.gov/2020/May/06/2002295555/-1/-1/1/SEC-1057-CIVILIAN-CASUALTIES-MAY-1-2020.PDF
This is the actual report published from 2020 in compliance with the aforementioned point. It has the statistics for 2017-2019. Total civilian deaths recorded - 2017 (70) / 2018 (28) / 2019 (132).

3. I would have to do more digging, because prior administrations - namely the Obama-Biden one - did not publish such statistics. They had to be cobbled together by various watchdog and reporting agencies. To give you an idea of the scope and comparison though:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/the-obama-administrations-drone-strike-dissembling/473541/

The paragraph of merit that applies to this discussion:

"In 2014, The Guardian provided even more reason to doubt Brennan: A new analysis of the data available to the public about drone strikes, conducted by the human-rights group Reprieve, indicates that even when operators target specific individuals – the most focused effort of what Barack Obama calls “targeted killing” – they kill vastly more people than their targets, often needing to strike multiple times. Attempts to kill 41 men resulted in the deaths of an estimated 1,147 people, as of 24 November.

Reprieve, sifting through reports compiled by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, examined cases in which specific people were targeted by drones multiple times. Their data, shared with the Guardian, raises questions about the accuracy of US intelligence guiding strikes that US officials describe using words like “clinical” and “precise.”

Total: 1,147

So - if you want to dispute numbers let's do it. I'll back up my claims with data. I'm open to see any other data that supports your position and adjust mine. Until that time - STFU with your ignorant and blind comments as they are given to you by the inept talking heads you listen to.

Shaps

02-25-2021, 05:28 PM

As I'm data driven and do more research, even when I find something that goes counter to my argument - I'll post it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207

Obama did, in his final year, finally sign an Executive Order to release the data. That's still 7 years into his Presidency, and only because of the pressure he received.

The rescinding of data from CIA operations to be published, which differs from Military operations public information, I actually disagree with. That does create a fluctuation in the data in order to accurately estimate the total amount of civilian deaths during the Trump Administration.

So - with regards to Policy - Obama took to long, he should have been more transparent from the get go. Trump should not have rescinded the order as it applied to CIA operations posting casualty reports, but I give him credit for the DOD report as a step in the right direction.

Edit: As a side note, all data on the civilian impact as reported to Congress should be released - regardless of administration - for proper public accountability.

Parkbandit

02-25-2021, 06:13 PM

My examples were factual, regardless of whether or not there are aspects of it that were "opinion" -- and what kind of opinion? Expert opinion -- on the side. He was on Twitter and TV threatening "fire and fury" with North Korea, threatening war like "no one had ever seen." That's a fact. His actions caused the "minutes till midnight" Doomsday clock to advance, and worldwide panic about what was going to happen. That's a fact. You, an uneducated tradesman from Florida, have an irrelevant opinion no one gives two shits about.

Did we not hear that if we elected Trump, he would take us into war and WW3? So these so called "experts" just knew he would get us into a war that after 4 years never materialized.

Also LOL@you for bringing in the DOOMSDAY CLOCK as an example of "fact". That entire fucking clock premise is a FUCKING OPINION, you idiot.

Also, I'm not from Florida and I'm not uneducated. I also can tell the difference between an opinion and a fact.. a very simple concept you just don't understand at all.

Trump had one of Iran's leaders assassinated, causing worldwide panic about the potential for starting a global war. That's a fact, regardless of other, more responsible people than Trump, deciding not to escalate the issue.

Again.. Trump DID have one of Iran's terrorist leaders assasinated. That IS a fact. The rest of it is conjecture for political reasons. Iran was not going to go to war against us, no matter how much your side wanted it to and fundraised off it's inevitability.

Trump's repeated undermining of NATO and questioning our committment to responding to an attack on a member state is a matter of public record (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/22/us/politics/donald-trump-foreign-policy-interview.html?_r=0), and not an "opinion."

So, still didn't cause WW3 or any other armed conflict.

You're viewing a limited number of his actions, and discounting the rest, rushing to an erroneous conclusion that falls apart the second it's examined. In other words, you're retarded.

I'm basing this off factual events from 2017 to 2021.

Zero wars started.

Service men brought home from other conflicts around the globe.

It's not a difficult concept to grasp, yet here you are hours later still not having a clue. That's not retarded.. that's being retarded and then defending the retardation for a full day because you can never, ever admit you are wrong.

But guess what: You're still wrong. And very retarded.

Political scientists all over the world were terrified of what Trump was going to get us into.

Exactly. We heard it BEFORE Trump was elected. And the really stupid people of the country swallowed it up and claimed it's a fact. Look at you.....

Nobody has a crystal ball, but the fact that other people were more responsible than Trump doesn't mean Trump gets a pass on his insane actions.

Nobody has a crystal ball, but here you are claiming that we were this close to a nuclear war with North Korea and 2 minutes away from the Doomsday clock of WW3... and passing it along as a fact.... because you are incapable of presenting an intelligent argument and you dig your high heels in defending your stupidity forever.

Perhaps you should read it yourself, since you don't seem to understand the difference between objective facts, expert commentary on those facts, and "opinion." The actions Trump took -- which undermine your retarded position -- are facts. Those facts can then be extrapolated into opinions about those facts, which doesn't change the nature of the underlying facts.

Better luck next time.

"Expert" opinions are guess what: still opinions. THAT is what you are incapable of understanding.

President Trump did not initiate a single war while he was President and brought home soldiers from previous administrations' wars.

You're welcome America.

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Ashliana

02-25-2021, 06:28 PM

Did we not hear that if we elected Trump, he would take us into war and WW3?

Imprecise, weasel-wordey claim? Check.

So these so called "experts" just knew he would get us into a war that after 4 years never materialized.

Straw man of an argument I never made? Check.

Also LOL@you for bringing in the DOOMSDAY CLOCK as an example of "fact". That entire fucking clock premise is a FUCKING OPINION, you idiot.

That it happened IS a fact. It's a matter of public record, as are Trump's statements. How fucking retarded can you BE?

Also, I'm not from Florida and I'm not uneducated. I also can tell the difference between an opinion and a fact.. a very simple concept you just don't understand at all.

The fact that you're staggeringly uninformed about all the things you choose to talk about -- not to mention the ones you typically don't weigh in on -- demonstrates your lack of education. But, sure. You just coincidentally don't know the difference between your and you're, and can't tell the difference between an opinion and a fact, despite trying, and failing, to lecture other people about it without a shred of irony, shame, or self-awareness.

Again.. Trump DID have one of Iran's terrorist leaders assasinated. That IS a fact.

The word is "assassinated," and yes, I know it's a fact, retard -- so were my other statements.

The rest of it is conjecture for political reasons. Iran was not going to go to war against us, no matter how much your side wanted it to and fundraised off it's inevitability.

Nobody gives a shit what an uneducated tradesman thinks of the chances of war were. The international community freaked out after Trump's actions RE: North Korea and after Trump's actions RE: Iran. Fact. You retardedly, ignorantly, thinking there was no danger simply because cooler heads than Trump's prevailed, is meaningless.

So, still didn't cause WW3 or any other armed conflict.

Trump doesn't have to have "caused WW3 or any other armed conflict" to have recklessly risked getting us into wars repeatedly, which he did. You're a fucking idiot justifying things after-the-fact because other people, again, weren't as stupid as you are, and weren't as stupid as Trump is.

I'm basing this off factual events from 2017 to 2021.

Zero wars started.

Service men brought home from other conflicts around the globe.

It's not a difficult concept to grasp, yet here you are hours later still not having a clue. That's not retarded.. that's being retarded and then defending the retardation for a full day because you can never, ever admit you are wrong.

But guess what: You're still wrong. And very retarded.

You judging Trump through an artificially limited lens, while discounting his litany of batshit insane actions, doesn't demonstrate your contention. Better luck scrounging the cesspool of your addlepated mind for a coherent argument next time.

Exactly. We heard it BEFORE Trump was elected. And the really stupid people of the country swallowed it up and claimed it's a fact. Look at you....

See above: Trump doesn't have to have "caused WW3 or any other armed conflict" to have recklessly risked getting us into wars repeatedly, which he did. You're a fucking idiot justifying things after-the-fact because other people, again, weren't as stupid as you are, and weren't as stupid as Trump is.

Nobody has a crystal ball, but here you are claiming that we were this close to a nuclear war with North Korea and 2 minutes away from the Doomsday clock of WW3... and passing it along as a fact.... because you are incapable of presenting an intelligent argument and you dig your high heels in defending your stupidity forever.

"Expert" opinions are guess what: still opinions. THAT is what you are incapable of understanding.

You not understanding what makes an "expert opinion" an expert opinion reflects on you. Your willful ignorance doesn't constitute a reasoned position.

President Trump did not initiate a single war while he was President and brought home soldiers from previous administrations' wars.

You're welcome America.

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Trump repeatedly risked American lives, acted in Russia's best interests before ours, exploded the finally under-control deficit, his incompetence resulted in tens (or hundreds) of thousands of unnecessary COVID deaths, risked dragging us into cataclysmic conflicts, failed to ensure a peaceful transition of power for the first time in your tragically long life, and damaged American credibility to enter international agreements lasting longer than a single administration. You're too proud -- and un-American -- to admit that you got swindled by a con-man and who played pretend to be a billionaire on a TV gameshow.

You are a deluded imbecile.

Bhaalizmo

02-25-2021, 06:43 PM

Parkbandit

02-25-2021, 11:14 PM

Ashliana

02-25-2021, 11:49 PM

Avoiding new wars. Trump is the first president in decades who did not commit the nation to new overseas military campaigns. He shared with President Obama an aversion to such adventures, but Obama launched an Afghan troop surge (2009), an intervention in Libya (2011), a return of forces to Iraq (2014), and a U.S. military role in the Syrian civil war (2014). Trump preferred to use other instruments such as economic sanctions in dealing with threats—even when they were close to home, as in the case of Venezuela, or a danger to regional peace, as in the case of Iran. He thus bought the U.S. military four years of relative peace in which to rebuild from endless wars.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2020/12/15/love-him-or-hate-him-president-trumps-defense-legacy-is-profound/?sh=41a836c8795a

https://media3.giphy.com/media/2uI8XF2T6UT4vaFVEM/giphy.gif

Trump repeatedly risked American lives, acted in Russia's best interests before ours, exploded the finally under-control deficit, his incompetence resulted in tens (or hundreds) of thousands of unnecessary COVID deaths, risked dragging us into cataclysmic conflicts, failed to ensure a peaceful transition of power for the first time in your tragically long life, and damaged American credibility to enter international agreements lasting longer than a single administration. You're too proud -- and un-American -- to admit that you got swindled by a con-man and who played pretend to be a billionaire on a TV gameshow.

You are a deluded imbecile.

Neveragain

02-26-2021, 12:01 AM

Ashliana

02-26-2021, 12:18 AM

Jesus, you're such a lying piece of shit. Like everything you said is a bold face lie.

Such a fucking prostitute.

Except for that whole inconvenient part where it all happened and is a trivial matter to cite Republican criticism of him for doing each one. Which, somehow, you made it through the last 4 years mind-bogglingly ignorant enough to have shat out your completely retarded "NUH-UH! THE SKY ISN'T BLUE!" denial.

Perhaps you should keep up with current events instead of getting all your news from Rush Limbaugh, idiot.

drauz

02-26-2021, 02:06 AM

I realize this - why do you think they've still got Martial Law in D.C.

Theres martial law in DC?

Neveragain

02-26-2021, 08:11 AM

Except for that whole inconvenient part where it all happened and is a trivial matter to cite Republican criticism of him for doing each one. Which, somehow, you made it through the last 4 years mind-bogglingly ignorant enough to have shat out your completely retarded "NUH-UH! THE SKY ISN'T BLUE!" denial.

Perhaps you should keep up with current events instead of getting all your news from Rush Limbaugh, idiot.

I don't listen to Rush.

I never once felt in danger under a Trump presidency. The fact that you still need to talk about Trump really only goes to show that you're mentally ill.

Why don't you question your presidential pick on why there are no fucking checks in the mail almost 2 months into his joke of a presidency?

Can't get checks to American citizens but we can start bombing brown people right quick.

Biden takes first military action with strike on Iran-backed militias

Bhaalizmo

02-26-2021, 08:22 AM

Trump repeatedly risked American lives, acted in Russia's best interests before ours, exploded the finally under-control deficit, his incompetence resulted in tens (or hundreds) of thousands of unnecessary COVID deaths, risked dragging us into cataclysmic conflicts, failed to ensure a peaceful transition of power for the first time in your tragically long life, and damaged American credibility to enter international agreements lasting longer than a single administration. You're too proud -- and un-American -- to admit that you got swindled by a con-man and who played pretend to be a billionaire on a TV gameshow.

You are a deluded imbecile.

I concur, with all of the above and couldn't have said it better myself.

Jesus, you're such a lying piece of shit. Like everything you said is a bold face lie.

Such a fucking prostitute.

I disagree with 100% of what Neveragain said above. Everything Ashliana said above is IMO common knowledge, and denying it is what it takes to be a republican these days. Willful ignorance doesn't even begin to describe it.

I don't listen to Rush.

You should try 2112, it was rather good. Oh, wrong Rush.

I never once felt in danger under a Trump presidency.

Seems like probably lies. He ran his presidency as a fear mongering pulpit, it's unlikely you never felt in danger. We gotta build the wall, stop the caravan, hunt down the Antifas, stop this, stop that, make America white power and less non-white again etc, etc.

The fact that you still need to talk about Trump really only goes to show that you're mentally ill.

No, no. It's actually healthy for people getting over a bad relationship to talk about the ex for awhile. This is like that. You denying it has any place in reality is more of a sign of your mental illness.

Neveragain

02-26-2021, 08:42 AM

I concur, with all of the above and couldn't have said it better myself.

I disagree with 100% of what Neveragain said above. Everything Ashliana said above is IMO common knowledge, and denying is what it takes to be a republican these days. Willful ignorance doesn't even begin to describe it.

You should try 2112, it was rather good. Oh, wrong Rush.

Seems like probably lies. He ran his presidency as a fear mongering pulpit, it's unlikely you never felt in danger. We gotta build the wall, stop the caravan, hunt down the Antifas, stop this, stop that, make America white power and less non-white again etc, etc.

No, no. It's actually healthy for people getting over a bad relationship to talk about the ex for awhile. This is like that. You denying it has any place in reality is more of a sign of mental illness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miSMxBP42W0

Parkbandit

02-26-2021, 09:44 AM

Jesus, you're such a lying piece of shit. Like everything you said is a bold face lie.

Such a fucking prostitute.

In It's defense: A prostitute has something of value someone else would pay money for.

It is NOT a prostitute. I hope you post a retraction.

Thank you.

Ashliana

02-26-2021, 10:05 AM

I don't listen to Rush.

It's either Rush, or Paul Joseph Watson, or Alex Jones, or some other complete imbecile you've conned yourself into thinking is a "journalist."

I never once felt in danger under a Trump presidency. The fact that you still need to talk about Trump really only goes to show that you're mentally ill.

"You brought up Trump, the guy who was president last month? You're mentally ill!" declared the retard going out of his way to participate in a conversation he couldn't have been bothered to read. Your right-wing friends brought up Trump at the onset of this thread.

You are an idiot.

Why don't you question your presidential pick on why there are no fucking checks in the mail almost 2 months into his joke of a presidency?

Aww. Does a right-winger not know how government works? Or how the party he uncritically supports obstructs the working of government? How surprising.

Can't get checks to American citizens but we can start bombing brown people right quick.

* Citation required. Good luck!

In It's defense: A prostitute has something of value someone else would pay money for.

It is NOT a prostitute. I hope you post a retraction.

Thank you.

:rofl: Fast forward a few months and we'll be seeing you in one of the Borat movies like Rudy Giuliani.

Neveragain

02-26-2021, 10:15 AM

Biden takes first military action with Syria strike on Iran-backed militias

Can't get checks in the mail to American citizens but killing brown people in a distant land we can do with a phone call.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovc-O_z4daQ&t=12s

Ashliana

02-26-2021, 10:23 AM

Can't get checks in the mail to American citizens but killing brown people in a distant land we can do with a phone call.

Ah, so you don't know the difference between executive action and legislative action. And had no problem, apparently, with Trump assassinating one of Iran's leaders, risking starting WW3, but have [Unstated Problem Here] with an American attack on terrorist groups in Syria in response to American troops being targeted. Gotcha.

Neveragain

02-26-2021, 10:28 AM

What's like knowing you voted for killing more brown people after being told that's exactly what would happen?

But yes, living under Trump was sooooo dangerous, fucking moron.

P.S. War is supposed to be a legislative action, you're just too fucking ignorant to understand this.

Ashliana

02-26-2021, 10:39 AM

What's like knowing you voted for killing more brown people after being told that's exactly what would happen?

But yes, living under Trump was sooooo dangerous, fucking moron.

How retarded can you be? So in your deluded fantasy, the GOP campaigned on the platform of never taking any military action in the Middle East? Do you not know how many people Trump had drone striked to death? That he revoked the Obama policy of publicly stating the collateral damage? That Trump literally stated his goal was to inflict MORE collateral damage on the families of extremists?

P.S. War is supposed to be a legislative action, you're just too fucking ignorant to understand this.

P.S. That very same legislature passed the War Powers Act giving the president the authority to unilaterally make military actions, and has the authority to take that power back from the president. But I guess you're just too fucking ignorant to understand American civics, as we already knew.

caelric

02-26-2021, 11:40 AM

Can't get checks in the mail to American citizens but killing brown people in a distant land we can do with a phone call.

Killing brown people is okay if you're a democrat.

Parkbandit

02-26-2021, 12:06 PM

Killing brown people is okay if you're a democrat.

Looks like President Trump's most peaceful term since President Ford is going to stand up for the next 4 years... looks like it's business as usual again

Ashliana

02-26-2021, 12:29 PM

Looks like President Trump's most peaceful term since President Ford is going to stand up for the next 4 years... looks like it's business as usual again

Erm, no, especially since Trump concealed the data regarding his military actions overseas. (https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/22/obama-drones-trump-killings-count/)

Better luck peddling your horseshit fantasy next time.

Parkbandit

02-26-2021, 12:48 PM

Erm, no, especially since Trump concealed the data regarding his military actions overseas. (https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/22/obama-drones-trump-killings-count/)

Better luck peddling your horseshit fantasy next time.

https://quietly-image-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/7779f30ab3ad4d5282daadc1d8e27d59.gif

President Trump Is The Most Peaceful President since President Ford.

caelric

02-26-2021, 01:01 PM

Looks like President Trump's most peaceful term since President Ford is going to stand up for the next 4 years... looks like it's business as usual again

If anyone thought anything different, they were sadly deluded.

Neveragain

02-26-2021, 01:01 PM

Looks like President Trump's most peaceful term since President Ford is going to stand up for the next 4 years... looks like it's business as usual again

America's back, baby!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGCl-0XLkGs

Back to killing brown people for their oil.

Back

02-26-2021, 01:03 PM

Does anyone think strikes on US troops do not deserve a response?

Parkbandit

02-26-2021, 01:05 PM

If anyone thought anything different, they were sadly deluded.

To be fair.. I honestly thought President Biden was going to be a rather peaceful President (NOT AS PEACEFUL AS OUR PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP THOUGH!) since he didn't want our armed forces to go kill Osama Bin Laden when we knew where he was.

Maybe President Biden can still be the 2nd most peaceful President since President Ford... but he's not off to a good start.

Parkbandit

02-26-2021, 01:06 PM

Does anyone think strikes on US troops do not deserve a response?

Depends what party is in office.. amirite????

Bhaalizmo

02-26-2021, 01:28 PM

Depends what party is in office.. amirite????

Anytime you find yourself asking this question, consult the Bern

https://media.giphy.com/media/VgxPJtt6U3QgfZ137h/giphy.gif

Ashliana

02-26-2021, 02:02 PM

https://quietly-image-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/7779f30ab3ad4d5282daadc1d8e27d59.gif

President Trump Is The Most Peaceful President since President Ford.

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/ef/ad/34/efad349f68bdbdcea224524af8d75f6b--political-articles-fake-news.jpg

Parkbandit

02-26-2021, 05:32 PM

https://i.insider.com/5f5bac297ed0ee001e25ed60

If the Nobel Peace Prize wasn't a liberal political "award", President Donald Trump would easily win it.

FACT: President Trump Is The Most Peaceful President since President Ford.

Ashliana

02-26-2021, 06:15 PM

https://i.insider.com/5f5bac297ed0ee001e25ed60

If the Nobel Peace Prize wasn't a liberal political "award", President Donald Trump would easily win it.

:rofl: How sad is it that Trump supporters have to try and tout a nomination for an award Trump didn't win while also attacking the award itself?

Spoiler Alert: Trump also had the government ASK Shinzo Abe (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-trump-japan/japans-pm-nominated-trump-for-nobel-peace-prize-on-u-s-request-asahi-idUSKCN1Q6041) (a nationalist nutcase, like Trump) to nominate him.

FACT: President Trump Is The Most Peaceful President since President Ford.

Aww, the uneducated tradesman still doesn't know what facts versus opinions are, AND he's playing pretend Trump didn't do 80% of the shit he did!

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/029/831/spongebobmeme.jpg

Neveragain

02-26-2021, 07:08 PM

the uneducated tradesman

https://media4.giphy.com/media/l0IyhwEfKdNoUZ1ni/giphy.gif

Gelston

02-26-2021, 07:19 PM

:rofl: How sad is it that Trump supporters have to try and tout a nomination for an award Trump didn't win while also attacking the award itself?

Spoiler Alert: Trump also had the government ASK Shinzo Abe (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-trump-japan/japans-pm-nominated-trump-for-nobel-peace-prize-on-u-s-request-asahi-idUSKCN1Q6041) (a nationalist nutcase, like Trump) to nominate him.

Aww, the uneducated tradesman still doesn't know what facts versus opinions are, AND he's playing pretend Trump didn't do 80% of the shit he did!

That is pretty ignorant of you. Tradesmen are educated. In different things. Just because they didn't need college doesn't imply their jobs don't require knowledge or education.

Ashliana

02-26-2021, 07:31 PM

That is pretty ignorant of you. Tradesmen are educated. In different things. Just because they didn't need college doesn't imply their jobs don't require knowledge or education.

So there's no connection between A) Parkbandit never having been taught how to do basic research, critically evaluate his own beliefs or sources, the difference between your and you're, and B) his level of general knowledge? His ignorance is merely his own personal failing?

Whatever you say. Regardless, call me an elitist if you like, I'd rather be one than a mind-bogglingly ignorant redneck who is having to desperately scramble to fill the void Rush Limbaugh's death left in his media consumption.

Neveragain

02-26-2021, 07:43 PM

Ashliana

02-26-2021, 07:46 PM

I couldn't come up with anything substantive to say, but I sure do hate you!

Likewise, dipshit.

Neveragain

02-26-2021, 07:59 PM

Likewise, dipshit.

No, I just enjoy watching "liberals" bash the people they say they are looking out for. There's a whole lot of Latino voters working in the trades, they must all be uneducated as well.

You should run for office.

https://media.tenor.com/images/78999565cca3ac8a211d121c5175cfe4/tenor.gif

Ashliana

02-26-2021, 08:06 PM

No, I just enjoy watching "liberals" bash the people they say they are looking out for. There's a whole lot of Latino voters working in the trades, they must all be uneducated as well.

You should run for office.

https://media.tenor.com/images/78999565cca3ac8a211d121c5175cfe4/tenor.gif

Except I, unlike you, I'd be willing to wager - support any and all efforts to educate people at public expense, including higher education. I do love the intellectually dishonest tears about the working class coming from a Trump apologist, though, as Trump did absolutely squat for the working class despite having control over every branch of government for years, and the only thing he did with it was pass tax cuts to the super-wealthy, and try (and fail) to repeal the healthcare improvements to the working class that Obama oversaw.

Better luck next time.

Neveragain

02-26-2021, 08:28 PM

Except I, unlike you, I'd be willing to wager - support any and all efforts to educate people at public expense, including higher education. I do love the intellectually dishonest tears about the working class coming from a Trump apologist, though, as Trump did absolutely squat for the working class despite having control over every branch of government for years, and the only thing he did with it was pass tax cuts to the super-wealthy, and try (and fail) to repeal the healthcare improvements to the working class that Obama oversaw.

Better luck next time.

They don't need any further education they can do shit like build houses, machine widgets, operate technical equipment. The smartest person I have ever known is a master carpenter.

Parkbandit

02-26-2021, 08:34 PM

So there's no connection between A) Parkbandit never having been taught how to do basic research, critically evaluate his own beliefs or sources, the difference between your and you're, and B) his level of general knowledge? His ignorance is merely his own personal failing?

Whatever you say. Regardless, call me an elitist if you like, I'd rather be one than a mind-bogglingly ignorant redneck who is having to desperately scramble to fill the void Rush Limbaugh's death left in his media consumption.

There is nothing at all elite about you. At all.

You literally said the Doomsday Clock is some sort of factual benchmark to prove President Trump wasn't the most peaceful President since Ford. That was you.

And I'm still laughing at your ignorance.

PS - I'm relatively certain my education trumps yours... not to mention my life vs. yours. I don't blame you for being a liberal at this point.. it's far easier to blame others for your miserable existence than to look within.

Parkbandit

02-26-2021, 08:35 PM

Except I, unlike you, I'd be willing to wager - support any and all efforts to educate people at public expense, including higher education. I do love the intellectually dishonest tears about the working class coming from a Trump apologist, though, as Trump did absolutely squat for the working class despite having control over every branch of government for years, and the only thing he did with it was pass tax cuts to the super-wealthy, and try (and fail) to repeal the healthcare improvements to the working class that Obama oversaw.

Better luck next time.

Let me guess.. your "support" is voting?

OMG YOU ARE A SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR!!!!

Parkbandit

02-26-2021, 08:37 PM

Ashliana

02-26-2021, 09:53 PM

There is nothing at all elite about you. At all.

:rofl: I never claimed to have been "elite," only that I didn't care if Gelston made the charge if it meant pointing out your behavior in its broadest context. You showcase your staggering ignorance at every opportunity: exactly the reason I pointed out that you're uneducated.

You literally said the Doomsday Clock is some sort of factual benchmark to prove President Trump wasn't the most peaceful President since Ford. That was you.

I referenced the worldwide panic that Trump caused, with that as one factual example. You responded "THE DOOMSDAY CLOCK IS AN OPINION!!!shift+!" in yet another misunderstanding that their choice to have moved the clock is but one factual example of the panic he caused, even if you disagree with the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists over why they did it -- as if anyone gave two shits about the evidence-free opinion of an uneducated tradesman -- in yet ANOTHER example of your mind-blowing ignorance. You'd think that falling on your face by overreaching for the 700th time in a row would teach you to be more careful, but alas, if you were capable of self-awareness and improvement, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

And I'm still laughing at your ignorance.

Yes.. Laughing like an idiot, with zero self-awareness at the numerous ways you've exposed yourself .. in post after post.. as staggeringly ignorant.

PS - I'm relatively certain my education trumps yours... not to mention my life vs. yours. I don't blame you for being a liberal at this point.. it's far easier to blame others for your miserable existence than to look within.

You demonstrate your lack of education with every subsequent post. You have the reading comprehension of someone in grade school, you don't know how to critically evaluate information or sources, you respond to factual observations about your behavior with made-up fantasy, and -- shall we get into your decades-long history on the forum of severe mental illness?

If you actually attended -- and graduated from -- an institution of higher learning, which I sincerely doubt, then perhaps it's just severe mental decline on your part. Decline from a very low plateau, that is.

Let me guess.. your "support" is voting?

OMG YOU ARE A SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR!!!!

There's that classic grade school reading comprehension at work. Do you need it explained to you, or will a second try work for you this time?

Ashliana is better off sitting in the basement and working some miserable job from home, away from the public in general.

I hope I'm retired long before I reach your advanced age. Lord knows what creepy shit you've done to strangers naive enough to let someone like you in their home, unaware of your tendency to obsess over and stalk people for decade-spanning timeframes.

Tgo01

02-26-2021, 10:16 PM

Reading Ashliana’s posts is like the visual equivalent of nails on a chalkboard.

Ashliana

02-26-2021, 10:25 PM

Reading Ashliana’s posts is like the visual equivalent of nails on a chalkboard.

Excellent, Dreaven. I'm so pleased to give your nasty circle jerk of assholes a richly deserved taste of your own medicine.

Tgo01

02-26-2021, 10:27 PM

Excellent, Dreaven. I'm so pleased to give your nasty circle jerk of assholes a richly deserved taste of your own medicine.

Okay...

Parkbandit

02-27-2021, 07:04 AM

Reading Ashliana’s posts is like the visual equivalent of nails on a chalkboard.

I bet they are painted too...

https://media4.giphy.com/media/3oriNTdqasUDkEetSE/200_d.gif

Parkbandit

02-27-2021, 07:20 AM

Excellent, Dreaven. I'm so pleased to give your nasty circle jerk of assholes a richly deserved taste of your own medicine.

"I'm only toxic because you started it!"

Jesus...

Don't blame others for your own actions. You've been toxic on here from at least June 2008.

Ashliana

02-27-2021, 09:37 AM

I bet they are painted too...

https://media4.giphy.com/media/3oriNTdqasUDkEetSE/200_d.gif

I'd tell you to keep your fantasies to yourself, but everybody on the forum knows about your decades-spanning problem with that.

"I'm only toxic because you started it!"

Jesus...

Don't blame others for your own actions. You've been toxic on here from at least June 2008.

Is this the Alzheimer's, or did you have another stroke? Did you forget about your decades-long obsession with stalking fellow forum members to send them mentally ill, sexually graphic screeds full of your impotent rage? You're literally the most toxic person on the entire forum, and your clique is responsible for the state of this folder, so your crocodile tears about it don't mean squat.

Neveragain

02-27-2021, 10:16 AM

I'd tell you to keep your fantasies to yourself, but everybody on the forum knows about your decades-spanning problem with that.

Is this the Alzheimer's, or did you have another stroke? Did you forget about your decades-long obsession with stalking fellow forum members to send them mentally ill, sexually graphic screeds full of your impotent rage? You're literally the most toxic person on the entire forum, and your clique is responsible for the state of this folder, so your crocodile tears about it don't mean squat.

Tell us more about your hatred for trade workers that you pretend to care about when it comes time to vote.

Ashliana

02-27-2021, 10:28 AM

Tell us more about your hatred for trade workers that you pretend to care about when it comes time to vote.

Some of us back up our positions with support. Which of us supports higher education at public expense, among other social programs? Until you do, spare us the crocodile tears. Republicans don't win blue collar support with policies that improve people's lives: they do it by appealing to racism, ethnonationalism and religious persecution complexes. :)

Neveragain

02-27-2021, 10:45 AM

Some of us back up our positions with support. Which of us supports higher education at public expense, among other social programs? Until you do, spare us the crocodile tears. Republicans don't win blue collar support with policies that improve people's lives: they do it by appealing to racism, ethnonationalism and religious persecution complexes. :)

I didn't ask about Republicans, or racism, or religious belief. I asked about your hatred for people that work in the trades and how you pretend to care about them when it comes time to vote. Why do you think these people are stupid? Do you feel the need to use hand sanitizer after being around a blue collar worker? Obviously you believe that they all need reeducated, these are questions I believe we all deserve to hear you answer.

Ashliana

02-27-2021, 11:08 AM

I didn't ask about Republicans, or racism, or religious belief. I asked about your hatred for people that work in the trades and how you pretend to care about them when it comes time to vote. Why do you think these people are stupid? Do you feel the need to use hand sanitizer after being around a blue collar worker? Obviously you believe that they all need reeducated, these are questions I believe we all deserve to hear you answer.

Tell us more about your crocodile tears for the working class despite the party you uncritically support doing everything they can to undermine their interests every time they're in power. Oh. You don't have anything to say about that? What a surprise. Trump didn't "bring back coal"? Trump didn't "bring back manufacturing"? His retarded trade war with China -- "easy to win!" -- didn't benefit Americans? His aluminum and steel tariffs -- "They're paying US!" (except not) -- didn't work?

You're an idiot.

caelric

02-27-2021, 11:51 AM

Tell us more about your hatred for trade workers that you pretend to care about when it comes time to vote.

little ashy is better than those trade workers because he (she?) has a degree in critical race studies. Or was it critical gender studies?

Ashliana

02-27-2021, 12:23 PM

little ashy is better than those trade workers because he (she?) has a degree in critical race studies. Or was it critical gender studies?

Not every person in a trade is as mind-blowingly ignorant as PB. Keep up! We're now simply treating his mind-blowing ignorance as one of his many personal failings, and not the result of his never having learned to do basic research and critically evaluate his own beliefs or sources or even the difference between you're and your.

caelric

02-27-2021, 12:27 PM

How is that critical gender studies degree working out for you? Definitely makes you better than any plumber, electrician, or construction worker...

Ashliana

02-27-2021, 12:29 PM

How is that critical gender studies degree working out for you? Definitely makes you better than any plumber, electrician, or construction worker...

:rofl: Why aim so low when you're just making things up? How about underwater basket weaving?

caelric

02-27-2021, 12:30 PM

Because you seem like the kind of person to get a degree in critical gender theory, or perhaps critical race theory, and think it's worth something.

Parkbandit

02-27-2021, 12:30 PM

Parkbandit

02-27-2021, 12:32 PM

little ashy is better than those trade workers because he (she?) has a degree in critical race studies. Or was it critical gender studies?

There's no degree with It at all... just a pseudo-intellectual who can Google.

Just remember: An expert opinion is now considered a fact.

Ashliana

02-27-2021, 12:45 PM

Because you seem like the kind of person to get a degree in critical gender theory, or perhaps critical race theory, and think it's worth something.

* Citation required. :)

Some of us back up our positions with "OMG TEH DOOMSDAY CLOCK SAID WE ARE 2 MINUTES FROM WAR! PROOF THAT TRUMP WAS NOT A PEACEFUL PRES!"

Fucking retard.

You literally didn't understand that the fact they moved the clock is but one factual example of the international reaction to Trump's actions. You stupidly thought pointing out a historical occurrence constituted an "opinion." You're still trying to rationalize your error, since you're either too proud to admit you made one, or still don't understand basic distinctions in your native language. You are mind-blowingly retarded.

There's no degree with It at all... just a pseudo-intellectual who can Google.

Just remember: An expert opinion is now considered a fact.

"There's no degree with it."

... Did you even read what you wrote? Is this mental decline on your part, or MORE mind-blowing ignorance of your native language? Or did you forget to put your inch-thick reading glasses on? And keep doubling down on your reading comprehension failures and inability to tell opinion from fact. :)

caelric

02-27-2021, 12:55 PM

Because you seem like the kind of person to get a degree in critical gender theory, or perhaps critical race theory, and think it's worth something.

* Citation required. :)

Learn how to quote people.

Also, no citation needed. Your attitude, your postings, your general behavior is clearly indicative of someone with a critical gender studies degree.

Ashliana

02-27-2021, 12:59 PM

Learn how to quote people. You were right, for once. Whoopsie!

Also, no citation needed. Your attitude, your postings, your general behavior is clearly indicative of someone with a critical gender studies degree.

* Citation required. :)

Neveragain

02-27-2021, 02:55 PM

Tell us more about your crocodile tears for the working class despite the party you uncritically support doing everything they can to undermine their interests every time they're in power. Oh. You don't have anything to say about that? What a surprise. Trump didn't "bring back coal"? Trump didn't "bring back manufacturing"? His retarded trade war with China -- "easy to win!" -- didn't benefit Americans? His aluminum and steel tariffs -- "They're paying US!" (except not) -- didn't work?

You're an idiot.

But Republicans!

Again, I'm not asking about republicans, it wasn't a Republican that just called trade workers ignorant. That was all you Ashy.

Parkbandit

02-27-2021, 03:11 PM

You literally didn't understand that the fact they moved the clock is but one factual example of the international reaction to Trump's actions. You stupidly thought pointing out a historical occurrence constituted an "opinion." You're still trying to rationalize your error, since you're either too proud to admit you made one, or still don't understand basic distinctions in your native language. You are mind-blowingly retarded.

I literally have never met someone so fucking stupid that they actually present the Doomsday Clock.. a pretend clock that is based upon nothing more than opinions.. as a factual basis in any argument.

Then you have the audacity to call ANYONE retarded.

I would say that this sort of stupidity can be brought on by a severe case of TDS.. but you've always been this mentally retarded.. so it must be just good old fashion brain damage.

Add "Fact vs. opinion" to the gigantic list of things you just can't grasp. Maybe if you didn't drop out of high school you would have learned something.

But there's always Google.. amirite??

Ashliana

02-27-2021, 03:17 PM

I literally have never met someone so fucking stupid that they actually present the Doomsday Clock.. a pretend clock that is based upon nothing more than opinions.. as a factual basis in any argument.

That Trump's actions caused the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists to move the clock is a factual occurrence that anyone with access to the Internet can verify happened. It isn't a matter of "opinion" whether or not they did it. How you can't wrap your incredibly tiny brain around that fact is staggering, but not surprising. If you were capable of basic reasoning, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Then you have the audacity to call ANYONE retarded.

You just doubled down yet again on your reading comprehension failures and ignorance of your native language. So, yes, Parkbandit, you most definitely are retarded.

I would say that this sort of stupidity can be brought on by a severe case of TDS.. but you've always been this mentally retarded.. so it must be just good old fashion brain damage.

Add "Fact vs. opinion" to the gigantic list of things you just can't grasp. Maybe if you didn't drop out of high school you would have learned something.

But there's always Google.. amirite??

The best you could come up with is "NUH-UH! YOU'RE uneducated!"? :rofl: You demonstrate your mind-blowing ignorance in every post. Not only do you not know what simple words in your own native language mean, you apparently don't know how avail yourself of a dictionary, and you've resorted to your eternal fallback plan: Doubling down. Spoiler Alert: It didn't work for Trump, and won't be working for you.

Fast forward a dozen posts, and this is what you'll be doing -- just like you always do:

https://i.imgur.com/poQxTe3.jpg

caelric

02-27-2021, 03:22 PM

Ashliana

02-27-2021, 03:25 PM

It was clearly and totally political when they moved the doomsday clock. There was no factual evidence to do so. In fact, Trump in reality, was the most peaceful president for quite a long while, and began the process of getting us disentangled from many overseas commitments. Biden is doing the opposite of that, of course, but likely, in an again totally political based statement, they'll move the doomsday clock back.

This is all irrelevant bullshit, which is your opinion.

Yes, it is a fact the doomsday clock moved forward.

Holy fucking shit. See that, Parkbandit? Other conservatives who aren't you aren't quite as SPECTACULARLY RETARDED AS YOU ARE.

Take a long, hard look at this. It's an incredibly simple point that you were too mind-bogglingly ignorant to wrap your head around, despite it being LITERALLY POINTED OUT TO YOU REPEATEDLY.

It's also a fact that it was moved based on totally political opinions, with no reflection of reality. That you can't see that shows how utterly and completely retarded you are. It's also a good sign that any college degree you have is 99.999% chance some variation of critical race theory or gender studies.

This is more of your irrelevant, bullshit opinion. Trump's actions caused worldwide panic, the moving of the Doomsday Clock was merely one example. It's easy to find more, but Parkbandit's retarded herp derp script broke down on this simple point.

caelric

02-27-2021, 03:26 PM

Well done in not addressing the point in any way, shape, or form.

Ashliana

02-27-2021, 03:28 PM

Well done in not addressing the point in any way, shape, or form.

I did address your point (that that was merely one example - there's a ton more if you were actually interested), but I don't give two shits about your opinions on the quality of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists' work. You, being part of an anti-intellectual movement -- modern-day conservativism -- don't care about the opinions of political scientists, or human rights groups, etc. Tons of whom were deeply alarmed by Trump's actions. You don't care, Parkbandit doesn't care. That's your prerogative. But Parkbandit isn't entitled to be free of criticism for his abject stupidity in not understanding what is, or isn't, opinion versus a factual occurrence.

caelric

02-27-2021, 03:31 PM

Ashliana

02-27-2021, 03:34 PM

Anti-intellectual movement. How cute you think that. How ironic, actually.

Again, if you can't see that it was a politically motivated change, rather than a reflection of reality, you are so dumb I don't know how you manage to tie your shoes in the morning.

And it looks like your script broke down, too. How unfortunate. Your opinion of the quality of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists' work isn't relevant to what Parkbandit was disputing -- that the fact they made the change is factual, since one can demonstrate it happened as a matter of public record. There's a zillion examples of the various rights groups, poli-sci groups, NGOs, etc, who were deeply alarmed by Trump's actions, polling of the American population fearing war, of the people of South Korea fearing the consequences of Trump's actions, etc.

Parkbandit

02-27-2021, 10:33 PM

Anti-intellectual movement. How cute you think that. How ironic, actually.

Again, if you can't see that it was a politically motivated change, rather than a reflection of reality, you are so dumb I don't know how you manage to tie your shoes in the morning.

Explain it with crayons, but don't let It eat them again.

Sorry Backlash.. it's time to put your belt up... we have a contender.

You better come up with something more retarded than "The doomsday clock moved so that's why President Trump isn't the most peaceful President since President Ford" or your belt goes to Ashliana and once it goes around it's waste, you won't want to have it back. Yea, I know.. it's waist, but Ashliana and waste goes together like PB&J

Ashliana

02-27-2021, 11:21 PM

Explain it with crayons, but don't let It eat them again.

Sorry Backlash.. it's time to put your belt up... we have a contender.

You better come up with something more retarded than "The doomsday clock moved so that's why President Trump isn't the most peaceful President since President Ford" or your belt goes to Ashliana and once it goes around it's waste, you won't want to have it back. Yea, I know.. it's waist, but Ashliana and waste goes together like PB&J

:rofl: So you're just PRETENDING you weren't corrected by a fellow right-winger after you spent multiple pages doubling down on the same mind-boggling reading comprehension failure?

Elanthil

02-28-2021, 11:51 AM

Biden is commander in chef...hur de durr de durr

Gelston

02-28-2021, 04:51 PM

Taernath

02-28-2021, 05:02 PM

To be fair, tub installers are only a half step up from drywallers.

Ashliana

02-28-2021, 05:17 PM

I never called you an elitist. I called you ignorant.

And I wasn't talking about your thoughts on individual people. I was referring to you using "tradesman" as an insult.

While I was attributing Parkbandit's demonstrable ignorance to the fact that he's uneducated -- not asserting all tradesmen are necessarily as ignorant as he is -- I already conceded your point. We're now attributing Parkbandit's ignorance to his own personal failings. You won! :)

Parkbandit

02-28-2021, 05:36 PM

To be fair, tub installers are only a half step up from drywallers.

But you're saying it's a half step UP...

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Parkbandit

02-28-2021, 05:38 PM

While I was attributing Parkbandit's demonstrable ignorance to the fact that he's uneducated -- not asserting all tradesmen are necessarily as ignorant as he is -- I already conceded your point. We're now attributing Parkbandit's ignorance to his own personal failings. You won! :)

Wait, wait, wait... was I having a factual argument with someone and used the Doomsday Clock as an example of fact?

Oh shit.. that was you....

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Ashliana

02-28-2021, 05:41 PM

Wait, wait, wait... was I having a factual argument with someone and used the Doomsday Clock as an example of fact?

Oh shit.. that was you....

https://media4.giphy.com/media/xUOxeRVBTkYT2yOC5y/200.gif

:rofl:

Are you doubling down on your inability to tell opinion from fact again? After page after page of retarded doubling down and then having to be corrected by a fellow right-winger?

If you had been interested in the topic, you and I would've gone back and forth over the various examples and counter-examples regarding the discussion. We didn't, because your brain seized up with an explosion of pure ignorance, and your inability to understand the simplest fact.

Parkbandit

02-28-2021, 05:42 PM

https://www.wsj.com/articles/time-to-stop-the-doomsday-clock-11579734922

Parkbandit

02-28-2021, 05:44 PM

:rofl:

Are you doubling down on your inability to tell opinion from fact again? After page after page of retarded doubling down and then having to be corrected by a fellow right-winger?

If you had been interested in the topic, you and I would've gone back and forth over the various examples and counter-examples regarding the discussion. We didn't, because your brain seized up with an explosion of pure ignorance, and your inability to understand the simplest fact.

"Bro"... you actually brought up the Doomsday Clock as an example of "fact".

If it weren't for zero self respect, you would probably pull the same thing you pulled when you got outted as Kierphe agreeing with yourself and pretend to leave.

But hey.. you're still here.. because you honestly have zero idea how fucking stupid you sound.

And with Backlash taking a sabbatical from defending his belt.. you are KILLING IT!

Ashliana

02-28-2021, 05:49 PM

https://www.wsj.com/articles/time-to-stop-the-doomsday-clock-11579734922

"Bro"... you actually brought up the Doomsday Clock as an example of "fact".

If it weren't for zero self respect, you would probably pull the same thing you pulled when you got outted as Kierphe agreeing with yourself and pretend to leave.

But hey.. you're still here.. because you honestly have zero idea how fucking stupid you sound.

And with Backlash taking a sabbatical from defending his belt.. you are KILLING IT!

If you were interested in the myriad ways that Trump's insane actions were a destabilizing force, and not one of spreading peace, you'd know literally the first thing about any of it. But you don't, because your brain broke down in an explosion of willful (and inadvertent) ignorance. You spent multiple days and multiple pages doubling down on your ignorance -- while simultaneously trying to criticize other people for it -- until you had to be put in your place by a fellow right-winger. Then it took you most of a day to get over your embarrassment and slink back in here, only to shit out an opinion piece on the value of but one example of the consequences of Trump's actions?

:rofl:

For all the time you spend criticizing Back -- who you are leagues away from approaching -- it is mind-blowing the abject lack of shame you have. No wonder you worship Trump. Even though he's also an abject failure, he's everything you wish you were.

Parkbandit

02-28-2021, 06:06 PM

Ashliana

02-28-2021, 06:11 PM

PB: President Trump is the most peaceful President since President Trump. ZERO wars started. Ended ongoing wars.

Ashliana: Um, the Doomsday Clock was move to 100 seconds to midnight! HE ALMOST STARTED NUCLEAR WW3!!!!!

PB: https://i.gifer.com/S2ES.gif

Oh no! Looks like it's Alzheimer's again for Parkbandit! Since your script broke and you returned to an earlier part of it, here's the appropriate response for this portion:

PB: TRUMP IS THE MOST PEACEFUL PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF (A)
Ashliana: What about (B) and (C)?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Back: What about (D)?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!

Best of luck figuring out how to address the totality of Trump's actions.

Solkern

02-28-2021, 11:56 PM

Oh no! Looks like it's Alzheimer's again for Parkbandit! Since your script broke and you returned to an earlier part of it, here's the appropriate response for this portion:

PB: TRUMP IS THE MOST PEACEFUL PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF (A)
Ashliana: What about (B) and (C)?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Back: What about (D)?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!

Best of luck figuring out how to address the totality of Trump's actions.

It’s quite amusing he sits there and tries to tell people the left will believe anything the democrats say. Yet, he believes almost everything Trump says and spouts it off as truth without checking anything, then runs away and hides when someone asks him to prove anything.

~Rocktar~

03-01-2021, 12:47 AM

Parkbandit

03-01-2021, 07:43 AM

It’s quite amusing he sits there and tries to tell people the left will believe anything the democrats say. Yet, he believes almost everything Trump says and spouts it off as truth without checking anything, then runs away and hides when someone asks him to prove anything.

Wut? I'm running and hiding?

Also, my viewpoint on President Trump is well documented on this forum. I did not like the man.. but I liked his policies. I was honest about him since 2016 when he declared himself a candidate and that position never really changed, although I was very surprised by the number of campaign promises he kept.

But seriously, thank you so much for your post. It really added to the discussion.

Good job.

Parkbandit

03-01-2021, 07:44 AM

So which part about Trump not getting us into any new wars is incorrect?

BUT TEH DOOMSDAY CLOCK IS A FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ashliana

03-01-2021, 09:53 AM

BUT TEH DOOMSDAY CLOCK IS A FACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trump's insanity repeatedly caused panic and worry worldwide, one factual example of which was the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists' decision to move the Doomsday Clock.

Keep on doubling down on your ignorance of what an opinion versus a fact is, though, as if you aren't just posting this over and over again:

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Neveragain

03-01-2021, 10:43 AM

Trump's insanity repeatedly caused panic and worry worldwide

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caelric

03-01-2021, 10:44 AM

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DangerousContentDavidstiger-size_restricted.gif

That's very racist of you, using a black man's GIF. Please report to your local Re-Education center.

Parkbandit

03-01-2021, 12:56 PM

Trump's insanity repeatedly caused panic and worry worldwide, one factual example of which was the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists' decision to move the Doomsday Clock.

Keep on doubling down on your ignorance of what an opinion versus a fact is, though, as if you aren't just posting this over and over again:

https://i.gifer.com/3O7jC.gif

Let's take a test... which one is actually a fact:

1) The Doomsday Clock is a measurement of how close we actually are to doomsday and not based upon the opinions of people.
2) President Trump almost got us into a nuclear war with North Korea.
3) President Trump almost started WW3.
4) President Trump did not start any wars during his term.

Come on Ashliana... YOU CAN DO IT!

Ashliana

03-01-2021, 01:23 PM

Let's take a test... which one is actually a fact:

1) The Doomsday Clock is a measurement of how close we actually are to doomsday and not based upon the opinions of people.
2) President Trump almost got us into a nuclear war with North Korea.
3) President Trump almost started WW3.
4) President Trump did not start any wars during his term.

Come on Ashliana... YOU CAN DO IT!

Let's take a test... which one is actually a fact:

1) The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists repeatedly referenced Trump's actions in their rationale for advancing the Doomsday Clock closer to midnight
2) Ashliana thinks Parkbandit doesn't understand the difference between A) a person or group voicing their opinion, and B) a third party citing the demonstrable historical occurrence of a group voicing their opinion
3) Ashliana thinks Parkbandit has the reading comprehension of a six year old, evidence that he's both uneducated and, by a long shot, the stupidest person on the forum

Come on Parkbandit... YOU CAN DO IT!

... Actually, you need to be told that it's "A," since you've spent multiple days doubling down on your mind-boggling ignorance, so thank you for once again posting in neon letters:

https://i.gifer.com/3O7jC.gif

Better luck next time!

caelric

03-01-2021, 01:25 PM

You know that option 2 and 3 are not true, because the basic premise, that "Ashliana thinks" is provably false.

Ashliana

03-01-2021, 01:27 PM

You know that option 2 and 3 are not true, because the basic premise, that "Ashliana thinks" is provably false.

What wonderful logic. In that case, Ashliana thinks caelric isn't the second stupidest person on the forum.

Parkbandit

03-01-2021, 02:27 PM

Let's take a test... which one is actually a fact:

1) The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists repeatedly referenced Trump's actions in their rationale for advancing the Doomsday Clock closer to midnight

So, it is their "OPINION" that Trump's action caused them to move the clock forward. I don't disagree with this... the Doomsday Clock is nothing but an opinion... it goes forward or backwards when their opinion changes. Nothing more. No one, with an IQ above 12, should ever use the Doomsday Clock as evidence of anything other than a bunch of "scientists" have the opinion of something.

2) Ashliana thinks Parkbandit doesn't understand the difference between A) a person or group voicing their opinion, and B) a third party citing the demonstrable historical occurrence of a group voicing their opinion

Ashliana doesn't actually think... because if "he" did, he would realize than an opinion is an opinion and not a fact. :(

3) Ashliana thinks Parkbandit has the reading comprehension of a six year old, evidence that he's both uneducated and, by a long shot, the stupidest person on the forum

Says the person in the ring with the Retard Champion and is cleaning Backlash's "clock" right now.

Come on Parkbandit... YOU CAN DO IT!

... Actually, you need to be told that it's "A," since you've spent multiple days doubling down on your mind-boggling ignorance, so thank you for once again posting in neon letters:

https://i.gifer.com/3O7jC.gif

Better luck next time!

I noticed how you didn't want to address the fact that Trump started no new wars during his term. I'll accept your concession... unless you want to once again promote the Doomsday Clock is ZOMGREALZ! because that is fucking hilarious.

Parkbandit

03-01-2021, 02:30 PM

What wonderful logic. In that case, Ashliana thinks caelric isn't the second stupidest person on the forum.

Are you going to go on some weird "3rd person" speak again.. like when you were pretending you weren't Kierphe?

Shaps

03-01-2021, 02:48 PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56205056

Biden's insanity repeatedly caused panic and worry worldwide, one factual example of which was the above.

Biden is going to start WW3!!! (The douchebag actually might - might be why Dems are trying to get control of the nuclear football - that's an OPINION).

Move that clock!

Ashliana

03-01-2021, 03:12 PM

So, it is their "OPINION" that Trump's action caused them to move the clock forward. I don't disagree with this... the Doomsday Clock is nothing but an opinion... it goes forward or backwards when their opinion changes. Nothing more. No one, with an IQ above 12, should ever use the Doomsday Clock as evidence of anything other than a bunch of "scientists" have the opinion of something.

:rofl: You can't even keep track of your OWN bullshit!

Ashliana (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?128448-You-think-I-m-bullshitting-Check-this-out&p=2199496#post2199496): My examples were factual, regardless of whether or not there are aspects of it that were "opinion" -- and what kind of opinion? Expert opinion -- on the side. He was on Twitter and TV threatening "fire and fury" with North Korea, threatening war like "no one had ever seen." That's a fact. His actions caused the "minutes till midnight" Doomsday clock to advance, and worldwide panic about what was going to happen. That's a fact. You, an uneducated tradesman from Florida, have an irrelevant opinion no one gives two shits about.

Parkbandit (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?128448-You-think-I-m-bullshitting-Check-this-out&p=2199509#post2199509): Also LOL@you for bringing in the DOOMSDAY CLOCK as an example of "fact". That entire fucking clock premise is a FUCKING OPINION, you idiot.

You've had to be corrected repeatedly -- including by one of your fellow right-wingers -- because you can't wrap your head around that the historical occurrence of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists choosing to advance the Doomsday Clock is factual, as you can VERIFY AND DEMONSTRATE IT HAPPENED. That's what makes it a fact. That the reason they did it was based on their expert opinion doesn't change your erroneous and meaningless assertion. Your 65 IQ Alzheimer's-suffering brain being unable to understand simple distinctions only reflects on you, and spending multiple days doubling down on your error only serves to broadcast, in neon lights:

https://i.gifer.com/3O7jC.gif

Ashliana doesn't actually think... because if "he" did, he would realize than an opinion is an opinion and not a fact.

Parkbandit doesn't actually think... because if "he" did, he would realize that citing a demonstrable historical occurrence is factual, regardless of whether the event in question occurred because of a group's expert "opinion."

Says the person in the ring with the Retard Champion and is cleaning Backlash's "clock" right now.

You can barely speak your native language, and think doubling down on your reading comprehension failures somehow reflects well on you. The funniest part of you constantly insulting Back is that he's far more intelligent than you are. You can't argue your way out of a wet paper bag, no matter how butthurt you get about it.

I noticed how you didn't want to address the fact that Trump started no new wars during his term. I'll accept your concession... unless you want to once again promote the Doomsday Clock is ZOMGREALZ! because that is fucking hilarious.

Oh no! Looks like it's Alzheimer's again for Parkbandit! Since your script broke and you returned to an earlier part of it, here's the appropriate response for this portion:

PB: TRUMP IS THE MOST PEACEFUL PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF (A)
Ashliana: What about (B) and (C)?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Back: What about (D)?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!

Best of luck figuring out how to address the totality of Trump's actions.

Are you going to go on some weird "3rd person" speak again.. like when you were pretending you weren't Kierphe?

https://i.imgur.com/ABSNHER.png

Parkbandit

03-01-2021, 04:57 PM

:rofl: You can't even keep track of your OWN bullshit!

Ashliana (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?128448-You-think-I-m-bullshitting-Check-this-out&p=2199496#post2199496): My examples were factual, regardless of whether or not there are aspects of it that were "opinion" -- and what kind of opinion? Expert opinion -- on the side. He was on Twitter and TV threatening "fire and fury" with North Korea, threatening war like "no one had ever seen." That's a fact. His actions caused the "minutes till midnight" Doomsday clock to advance, and worldwide panic about what was going to happen. That's a fact. You, an uneducated tradesman from Florida, have an irrelevant opinion no one gives two shits about.

Parkbandit (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?128448-You-think-I-m-bullshitting-Check-this-out&p=2199509#post2199509): Also LOL@you for bringing in the DOOMSDAY CLOCK as an example of "fact". That entire fucking clock premise is a FUCKING OPINION, you idiot.

You've had to be corrected repeatedly -- including by one of your fellow right-wingers -- because you can't wrap your head around that the historical occurrence of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists choosing to advance the Doomsday Clock is factual, as you can VERIFY AND DEMONSTRATE IT HAPPENED. That's what makes it a fact. That the reason they did it was based on their expert opinion doesn't change your erroneous and meaningless assertion. Your 65 IQ Alzheimer's-suffering brain being unable to understand simple distinctions only reflects on you, and spending multiple days doubling down on your error only serves to broadcast, in neon lights:

Parkbandit doesn't actually think... because if "he" did, he would realize that citing a demonstrable historical occurrence is factual, regardless of whether the event in question occurred because of a group's expert "opinion."

You can barely speak your native language, and think doubling down on your reading comprehension failures somehow reflects well on you. The funniest part of you constantly insulting Back is that he's far more intelligent than you are. You can't argue your way out of a wet paper bag, no matter how butthurt you get about it.

Oh no! Looks like it's Alzheimer's again for Parkbandit! Since your script broke and you returned to an earlier part of it, here's the appropriate response for this portion:

PB: TRUMP IS THE MOST PEACEFUL PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF (A)
Ashliana: What about (B) and (C)?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Back: What about (D)?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!

Best of luck figuring out how to address the totality of Trump's actions.

Ashliana dying on the Doomsday Clock hill plus the absence of Backlash for a week forces me to make a decision. We cannot have a forum without a fighting champion to hold the Retard Belt.

Congratulations Ashliana, this is probable the first time you were #1 in anything.

You are now the champion. Wear it proud.. just don't stretch it out too far or paint pretty rainbow unicorns on it.

Ashliana

03-01-2021, 05:07 PM

Ashliana dying on the Doomsday Clock hill plus the absence of Backlash for a week forces me to make a decision. We cannot have a forum without a fighting champion to hold the Retard Belt.

Congratulations Ashliana, this is probable the first time you were #1 in anything.

You are now the champion. Wear it proud.. just don't stretch it out too far or paint pretty rainbow unicorns on it.

:rofl: You're right, Parkbandit -- your failure to understand a basic distinction in your native language somehow confers stupidity onto someone else. You'd better talk to your mail-in correspondence GED program about the possibility of a refund.

https://i.gifer.com/3aqY.gif

Shaps

03-01-2021, 05:08 PM

Ashliana

03-01-2021, 05:11 PM

Don't feed the troll, they'll starve under the bridge if you let them.

I don't know, there are plenty of your troll threads on here with zero responses, and you haven't died yet. Perhaps there's a problem with your hypothesis.

Parkbandit

03-02-2021, 06:10 PM

Don't feed the troll, they'll starve under the bridge if you let them.

You better start giving Ashliana the respect she has earned around here.

She's the new Retard Champion.

And unless Backlash can come up with something better than the Doomsday Clock moving is proof that Trump wasn't peaceful.. It will be the champ for a very, very long time.

Ashliana

03-02-2021, 06:13 PM

You better start giving Ashliana the respect she has earned around here.

She's the new Retard Champion.

And unless Backlash can come up with something better than the Doomsday Clock moving is proof that Trump wasn't peaceful.. It will be the champ for a very, very long time.

:rofl: You're right, Parkbandit -- your failure to understand a basic distinction in your native language somehow confers stupidity onto someone else. You'd better talk to your mail-in correspondence GED program about the possibility of a refund.

https://i.gifer.com/3aqY.gif

Parkbandit

03-03-2021, 07:15 AM

You're right, Parkbandit

Anyone with an IQ above 12 already knows this.

But here you go, dying on the Doomsday Clock hill.

Thank you for your acknowledgement, Champ.

Solkern

03-03-2021, 11:56 AM

So which part about Trump not getting us into any new wars is incorrect?

When did Trump say he was the most peaceful president? Maybe you should work on that reading comprehension.

Ashliana

03-03-2021, 01:48 PM

Anyone with an IQ above 12 already knows this.

But here you go, dying on the Doomsday Clock hill.

Thank you for your acknowledgement, Champ.

Ah, Parkband's desperate fallback plan. Alas, your failure to understand a basic distinction in your native language doesn't somehow confer stupidity onto someone else. You'd better talk to your mail-in correspondence GED program about the possibility of a refund.

https://i.gifer.com/3aqY.gif

Parkbandit

03-03-2021, 06:27 PM

So which part about Trump not getting us into any new wars is incorrect?

When did Trump say he was the most peaceful president?

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Maybe you should work on that reading comprehension.

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~Rocktar~

03-03-2021, 08:56 PM

When did Trump say he was the most peaceful president? Maybe you should work on that reading comprehension.

So when did I say Trump said he was the most peaceful president. Oh, that's right, I didn't. Didn't even hint at it. Not even close.

I asked:

So which part about Trump not getting us into any new wars is incorrect?

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About that reading comprehension? Maybe you should just quit.

Solkern

03-04-2021, 12:35 AM

So when did I say Trump said he was the most peaceful president. Oh, that's right, I didn't. Didn't even hint at it. Not even close.

I asked:

https://media3.giphy.com/media/pfHBWCCOySoRq/giphy.gif

About that reading comprehension? Maybe you should just quit.

My reply wasn’t directed at you, it was directed at PB/Ashliana, because I quoted Ashliana, when he was referring to PB, not you.
Next, maybe you should quit? Why don’t you write another 4 paragraph essay about how it’s not legal to shoot someone in the states for simply breaking into your home, that a 5 second google search put your argument in the trash, along with most of your other arguments.

You really need to work on YOUR reading comprehension. Let me break it down for you.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?128448-You-think-I-m-bullshitting-Check-this-out/page14
Go back and read my comment and see who I quoted, did I mention you? Did the comment I quote mention you in any way?
1. My comment has nothing to do with your dumb ass.
2. My comment was about what Trump has said, and directed at Ashliana and PB, not your dumb ass.
3. I said almost everything, not everything.
4. You’re a fucking idiot.

Solkern

03-04-2021, 12:57 AM

Wut? I'm running and hiding?

Also, my viewpoint on President Trump is well documented on this forum. I did not like the man.. but I liked his policies. I was honest about him since 2016 when he declared himself a candidate and that position never really changed, although I was very surprised by the number of campaign promises he kept.

But seriously, thank you so much for your post. It really added to the discussion.

Good job.

Oh he kept campaign promises? Like building the wall, Mexico will pay for? The bigger, better and cheaper healthcare? Or the repealing of Obamacare?

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/?ruling=true

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/four-years-on-has-trump-kept-his-promises-let-s-check-1.4348001

~Rocktar~

03-04-2021, 01:29 AM

My reply wasn’t directed at you, it was directed at PB/Ashliana, because I quoted Ashliana, when he was referring to PB, not you.
Next, maybe you should quit? Why don’t you write another 4 paragraph essay about how it’s not legal to shoot someone in the states for simply breaking into your home, that a 5 second google search put your argument in the trash, along with most of your other arguments.

You really need to work on YOUR reading comprehension. Let me break it down for you.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?128448-You-think-I-m-bullshitting-Check-this-out/page14
Go back and read my comment and see who I quoted, did I mention you? Did the comment I quote mention you in any way?
1. My comment has nothing to do with your dumb ass.
2. My comment was about what Trump has said, and directed at Ashliana and PB, not your dumb ass.
3. I said almost everything, not everything.
4. You’re a fucking idiot.

Whole lot of whaaaaaaaa here.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/000/894/wahmbulance.jpg

Lots of tap dancing and feels to say that you got called out and didn't mean what you said.

And yes, you still can't just shoot someone that breaks in in most states, you still have have a reason to believe that your life or the life of another is in danger. Something you missed in that discussion but hey, the law, precedent and the documentation for carry class all must be wrong.

Solkern

03-04-2021, 01:55 AM

Whole lot of whaaaaaaaa here.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/000/894/wahmbulance.jpg

Lots of tap dancing and feels to say that you got called out and didn't mean what you said.

And yes, you still can't just shoot someone that breaks in in most states, you still have have a reason to believe that your life or the life of another is in danger. Something you missed in that discussion but hey, the law, precedent and the documentation for carry class all must be wrong.

I meant every word I said, but it wasn’t directed at you, it was to PB and Ashliana. But thanks for the heads up, now I know if I quote Ashliana, who’s talking about PB, it actually means I’m talking to you.

Oh now it’s MOST STATES? what happened to it won’t hold up in ANY court in the country?

Your argument about the right to shoot people is simply incorrect and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding and knowledge of firearm and home defense laws. Just because people break in is not legal justification to shoot them in any court in the country, not even the castle doctrine states have this so you are making a specious argument.

Keep moving those goal posts.

Parkbandit

03-04-2021, 08:22 AM

My reply wasn’t directed at you, it was directed at PB/Ashliana, because I quoted Ashliana, when he was referring to PB, not you.
Next, maybe you should quit? Why don’t you write another 4 paragraph essay about how it’s not legal to shoot someone in the states for simply breaking into your home, that a 5 second google search put your argument in the trash, along with most of your other arguments.

You really need to work on YOUR reading comprehension. Let me break it down for you.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?128448-You-think-I-m-bullshitting-Check-this-out/page14
Go back and read my comment and see who I quoted, did I mention you? Did the comment I quote mention you in any way?
1. My comment has nothing to do with your dumb ass.
2. My comment was about what Trump has said, and directed at Ashliana and PB, not your dumb ass.
3. I said almost everything, not everything.
4. You’re a fucking idiot.

Jesus....

You didn't quote me or Ashliana, you literally quoted Rocktar's post. Here is the specific post: http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?128448-You-think-I-m-bullshitting-Check-this-out&p=2200360#post2200360

Notice how Rocktar is quoted in that post and how you quoted that post and responded with "When did Trump say he was the most peaceful president? Maybe you should work on that reading comprehension."

If your comment has nothing to do with Rocktar.. then maybe don't quote his post?

You're a fucking idiot... but we all knew that already.

Jesus, learn to fucking forum. It's NOT THIS HARD.

Parkbandit

03-04-2021, 08:23 AM

Oh he kept campaign promises? Like building the wall, Mexico will pay for? The bigger, better and cheaper healthcare? Or the repealing of Obamacare?

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/?ruling=true

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/four-years-on-has-trump-kept-his-promises-let-s-check-1.4348001

When President Trump got into office, there were many Conservatives that didn't believe he would uphold the conservative principles he was saying during the campaign. He was a Democrat for so many years.

He kept more promises than most Presidents when he was elected.

~Rocktar~

03-04-2021, 09:47 AM

I meant every word I said, but it wasn’t directed at you, it was to PB and Ashliana. But thanks for the heads up, now I know if I quote Ashliana, who’s talking about PB, it actually means I’m talking to you.

Oh now it’s MOST STATES? what happened to it won’t hold up in ANY court in the country?

Keep moving those goal posts.

Show me a court case where the home occupant didn't fear or reasonably fear for their lives or the lives of others and testified to that in court. I'll wait.

~Rocktar~

03-04-2021, 09:47 AM

It's NOT THIS HARD.

Apparently it is. For him.

Solkern

03-04-2021, 10:07 AM

Jesus....

You didn't quote me or Ashliana, you literally quoted Rocktar's post. Here is the specific post: http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?128448-You-think-I-m-bullshitting-Check-this-out&p=2200360#post2200360

Notice how Rocktar is quoted in that post and how you quoted that post and responded with "When did Trump say he was the most peaceful president? Maybe you should work on that reading comprehension."

If your comment has nothing to do with Rocktar.. then maybe don't quote his post?

You're a fucking idiot... but we all knew that already.

Jesus, learn to fucking forum. It's NOT THIS HARD.

Dear god you are fucking stupid, go to post #137

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?128448-You-think-I-m-bullshitting-Check-this-out/page14

Oh no! Looks like it's Alzheimer's again for Parkbandit! Since your script broke and you returned to an earlier part of it, here's the appropriate response for this portion:

PB: TRUMP IS THE MOST PEACEFUL PRESIDENT BECAUSE OF (A)
Ashliana: What about (B) and (C)?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Ashliana: So you're pretending (B) and (C) don't exist?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!
Back: What about (D)?
PB: ONLY (A) EXISTS!!

Best of luck figuring out how to address the totality of Trump's actions.

That’s the post I quoted you fucking idiot. Is that rocktar’s post PB? Is it? Tell me, is it? Is rocktar mentioned ANYWHERE in that post I quoted PB? Is he? Damn you are stupid.

Looks like it’s hard for you, must be that jet lag, or maybe you are too busy trying to research how Trump brought peace to the Middle East that it’s effecting your reading comprehension. Although it’s more plausible that you’re just a fucking idiot.

If you look at the timeline, rocktar quoted me first, why? I have no idea... I wasn’t even talking to him. So that’s on his dumbass. My reply to him was because he failed at reading comprehension, if you go back to post #137 maybe you would see why rocktar is a fucking idiot and has zero reading comprehension. Here let me help you.

I said “PB believes almost everything Trump says”
Rocktar replies “HOW IS TRUMP NOT THE MOST PEACEFUL PRESIDENT?!?!?!?”
My reply to the dumbass rocktar, “you need to work on your reading comprehension.”

Why did I say that? Did Trump ever say he was the most peaceful president? No he didn’t. Did I say PB believes everything Trump says? No I didn’t.

You both are fucking retards.

Solkern

03-04-2021, 10:32 AM

Show me a court case where the home occupant didn't fear or reasonably fear for their lives or the lives of others and testified to that in court. I'll wait.

Sure add more shit. Move those goal post some more.

Before simply breaking into someone’s house isn't grounds to shoot someone!!!!
It won’t hold up in ANY court in the country!!
It won’t hold up in MOST states.
SHOW ME PROOFS!!!!!!

Actually it is dumbass.
Like I said before, simply breaking into someone’s house is grounds to be shot and killed. Like in Kentucky.

~Rocktar~

03-04-2021, 10:41 AM

Sure add more shit. Move those goal post some more.

Before simply breaking into someone’s house isn't grounds to shoot someone!!!!
It won’t hold up in ANY court in the country!!
It won’t hold up in MOST states.
SHOW ME PROOFS!!!!!!

Actually it is dumbass.
Like I said before, simply breaking into someone’s house is grounds to be shot and killed. Like in Kentucky.

So again, no proof. Good job. I accept your appology.

Taernath

03-04-2021, 10:58 AM

Parkbandit

03-04-2021, 12:11 PM

Dear god you are fucking stupid, go to post #137

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?128448-You-think-I-m-bullshitting-Check-this-out/page14

It's obvious you do not know how to link a specific post.. but do you not know how to quote a specific post?

Your post... #159 http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?128448-You-think-I-m-bullshitting-Check-this-out&p=2200360#post2200360

So which part about Trump not getting us into any new wars is incorrect?

When did Trump say he was the most peaceful president? Maybe you should work on that reading comprehension.

That was the conversation. Are you saying that you misquoted the post you meant to post.. or are you saying you are too stupid to figure out how the quote function works on this forum.

Why do the really, really stupid people of this forum dig their heels into things that are literally proven incorrect? Like you can literally go to where you quoted Rocktar's post.

PROTIP: If you were responding to something I said or something our current Retard Champion said.. you can easily quote the part you are referring to. It's not that fucking hard.

That’s the post I quoted you fucking idiot. Is that rocktar’s post PB? Is it? Tell me, is it? Is rocktar mentioned ANYWHERE in that post I quoted PB? Is he? Damn you are stupid.

Maybe this forum looks different in Russia or wherever you are claiming you are living at... but you literally quoted a Rocktar post (#159) and posted something stupid... then got all upset when you got called out.

Maybe it's the Russian Internet's fault... because clearly it can't be that you are too fucking stupid to use this forum correctly.

Looks like it’s hard for you, must be that jet lag, or maybe you are too busy trying to research how Trump brought peace to the Middle East that it’s effecting your reading comprehension. Although it’s more plausible that you’re just a fucking idiot.

That must be it. It's not your fault you quoted the wrong post.. it's the Internet's fault! Or it's the Reader's fault for not knowing what you were trying to say.

If you look at the timeline, rocktar quoted me first, why? I have no idea... I wasn’t even talking to him. So that’s on his dumbass.

People respond to people all the time. He quoted your first post because you said something stupid. On these forums, if you want to specifically have a conversation with only 1 person, you send a PM ( that is slang for Private Message.. as I would not want to confuse you further)

My reply to him was because he failed at reading comprehension, if you go back to post #137 maybe you would see why rocktar is a fucking idiot and has zero reading comprehension. Here let me help you.

I said “PB believes almost everything Trump says”
Rocktar replies “HOW IS TRUMP NOT THE MOST PEACEFUL PRESIDENT?!?!?!?”
My reply to the dumbass rocktar, “you need to work on your reading comprehension.”

Why did I say that? Did Trump ever say he was the most peaceful president? No he didn’t. Did I say PB believes everything Trump says? No I didn’t.

You both are fucking retards.

You said "PB believes almost everything Trump says"
Rocktar said "So which part about Trump not getting us into any new wars is incorrect?"
I said you are full of shit, given how often I've criticized Trump.
You said "When did Trump say he was the most peaceful president?"

Like what? If you believe there is a miscommunication, it's on the author, not the reader.

Stop defending your stupidity with more stupidity.. because honestly, it makes you look even stupidier. And you don't need more of those type moments on this forum... your history is littered with them.

Solkern

03-04-2021, 12:44 PM

It's obvious you do not know how to link a specific post.. but do you not know how to quote a specific post?

Your post... #159 http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?128448-You-think-I-m-bullshitting-Check-this-out&p=2200360#post2200360

That was the conversation. Are you saying that you misquoted the post you meant to post.. or are you saying you are too stupid to figure out how the quote function works on this forum.

Why do the really, really stupid people of this forum dig their heels into things that are literally proven incorrect? Like you can literally go to where you quoted Rocktar's post.

PROTIP: If you were responding to something I said or something our current Retard Champion said.. you can easily quote the part you are referring to. It's not that fucking hard.

Maybe this forum looks different in Russia or wherever you are claiming you are living at... but you literally quoted a Rocktar post (#159) and posted something stupid... then got all upset when you got called out.

Maybe it's the Russian Internet's fault... because clearly it can't be that you are too fucking stupid to use this forum correctly.

That must be it. It's not your fault you quoted the wrong post.. it's the Internet's fault! Or it's the Reader's fault for not knowing what you were trying to say.

People respond to people all the time. He quoted your first post because you said something stupid. On these forums, if you want to specifically have a conversation with only 1 person, you send a PM ( that is slang for Private Message.. as I would not want to confuse you further)

You said "PB believes almost everything Trump says"
Rocktar said "So which part about Trump not getting us into any new wars is incorrect?"
I said you are full of shit, given how often I've criticized Trump.
You said "When did Trump say he was the most peaceful president?"

Like what? If you believe there is a miscommunication, it's on the author, not the reader.

Stop defending your stupidity with more stupidity.. because honestly, it makes you look even stupidier. And you don't need more of those type moments on this forum... your history is littered with them.

You truly are an idiot, I guess that’s a GED education for you. I only replied to rocktar, to show that my original post I quoted, in which he quoted my reply to, had NOTHING to do with him. I guess you are too stupid to realize that. Try harder cupcake.

Let me try to make it as simple as possible.
1. I quoted Ashliana referring to your stupid ass.
2. Rocktar quotes my reply to Ashliana.
3. I reply to rocktar, check your reading comprehension, my post has nothing to do with you.

Get it? Probably not, this type of train of thought requires some type of common sense, which you lack.

Solkern

03-04-2021, 12:53 PM

Stop defending your stupidity with more stupidity.. because honestly, it makes you look even stupidier. And you don't need more of those type moments on this forum... your history is littered with them.

My history? That’s funny, says the person that doesn’t know the basic differences between “your” and “you’re” and repeatedly uses them wrong, says the person that doesn’t even understand the basic concept of jet lag, or the person who doesn’t even know what peace entails.

Your post are like putting gas in a car you’ve just totaled.

Shaps

03-04-2021, 01:00 PM

Not reading all the specific back and forth but:

My general opinion is if someone breaks into your home, self defense should not be criminalized.

The idea that people should be forced to assess the intentions of an intruder, and rationally assess their chance of escape vs. ensuring the stopping of the intruder in a high pressure situation should not be judged as right or wrong. Whatever action the individual takes to ensure their safety should not be second guessed. This does not mean pursuing the intruder outside of the home. It means secure your home and contact police. If in the process of securing your home, lethal force is used, then that is what it is.

Stories like the one guy many years back that set a trap for kids that were breaking into homes - that's intentional and I think? he was rightly charged. But normal citizens threatened with an assailant with unknown intentions, I think every measure of defense is allowed.

That's just my opinion, I understand people may feel differently.

Neveragain

03-04-2021, 01:50 PM

I guess that’s a GED education for you

They can't help but show their hate for the people they say they support.

Ashliana

03-04-2021, 01:57 PM

They can't help but show their hate for the people they say they support.

"Oh, boy! A chance to cry crocodile tears for the working class who my uncritical support of the GOP undermines at every turn," Neveragain excitedly thought, wiping Cheetos dust off on his pants.

Neveragain

03-04-2021, 02:24 PM

"Oh, boy! A chance to cry crocodile tears for the working class who my uncritical support of the GOP undermines at every turn," Neveragain excitedly thought, wiping Cheetos dust off on his pants.

Never mind that it's you and the other Democrats that are using an education program that focuses on the poor and getting them access to a higher education as a negative connotation.

Just a couple days ago you were boasting about how you support higher education for the poor. Yet here you are bashing people that access those programs.

Seriously, please just kill yourself. It's the best thing you could do for humanity.

Ashliana

03-04-2021, 02:37 PM

Never mind that it's you and the other Democrats that are using an education program that focuses on the poor and getting them access to a higher education as a negative connotation.

Did you even read what you wrote here?

Just a couple days ago you were boasting about how you support higher education for the poor. Yet here you are bashing people that access those programs.

I support publicly funded higher education for all, not just "the poor." And no, I didn't "bash people who access those programs," I implied Parkbandit specifically must have gotten fleeced by a (for-profit) scam, since the end result was his obvious lack of education. Better luck next time!

Seriously, please just kill yourself. It's the best thing you could do for humanity.

Wishing death upon people because you couldn't defend your position in an online argument isn't mentally stable behavior. Seek psychiatric care soon. :)

Neveragain

03-04-2021, 02:57 PM

I guess that’s a GED education for you

Boy, that sure sounds like a Democrat bashing the GED system.

I'm not wishing death upon you, I literally want to see you and your ilks blood spill over onto the streets. It's the only way to stop fascists that propose reeducation and infanticide as legitimate policies.

Ashliana

03-04-2021, 03:08 PM

Boy, that sure sounds like a Democrat bashing the GED system.

How odd that you didn't quote the name of the person who said that, since it wasn't me, which you've somehow tried to apply.

I'm not wishing death upon you, I literally want to see you and your ilks blood spill over onto the streets.

"I'm not (A), I'm just (flavor of A)." Does your error need to be pointed out? Or can you figure it out yourself?

It's the only way to stop fascists that propose reeducation and infanticide as legitimate policies.

So you were challenged, and spectacularly failed, in the other thread to support these two assertions. Best of luck!

https://i.gifer.com/3aqY.gif

Get that psychiatric care you so desperately need soon. Which, FYI, I also support public funding for. :)

Neveragain

03-04-2021, 03:34 PM

My final solution is to kill the offspring of the disadvantaged.

We know.

Ashliana

03-04-2021, 03:41 PM

I've got a persecution complex, and like to pretend that by being asked not to turn a blind eye to police violence against minorities, I'm being oppressed. Help me, Ghost of Rush Limbaugh!

Don't worry, Neveragain! With you oh-so-vigilant conservatives on the look-out, you'll be able to see the Reeducation Death Squads™ coming from miles away.

Parkbandit

03-04-2021, 06:33 PM

You truly are an idiot, I guess that’s a GED education for you. I only replied to rocktar, to show that my original post I quoted, in which he quoted my reply to, had NOTHING to do with him. I guess you are too stupid to realize that. Try harder cupcake.

Let me try to make it as simple as possible.
1. I quoted Ashliana referring to your stupid ass.
2. Rocktar quotes my reply to Ashliana.
3. I reply to rocktar, check your reading comprehension, my post has nothing to do with you.

Get it? Probably not, this type of train of thought requires some type of common sense, which you lack.

So.. you don't understand the simple quoting function on this very complicated forum. I'm sure for someone like you, it can be very confusing!

This is what happens when you have to drop out of the 6th grade and just don't even bother trying anymore.

Solkern

03-04-2021, 11:47 PM

So.. you don't understand the simple quoting function on this very complicated forum. I'm sure for someone like you, it can be very confusing!

This is what happens when you have to drop out of the 6th grade and just don't even bother trying anymore.

Yeah it definitely is too complicated for you. Maybe you can use the $1,400 check we are getting.. and buy some English classes, and/or reading comprehension classes.

Solkern

03-04-2021, 11:49 PM

Rocktard makes sure they know he's there, since surprises are the cause of a lot of accidental shootings. Then, if they want to shoot him, he tries to convince them that robbery is not as bad as felony murder or felony a&b. If they seem adverse to such advice, he leaves.

He probably would wear a bright yellow shirt with a smiley face, so he doesn’t seem threatening. That would be his defense in court.
“Your honour, I wore this bright shirt with a smiley face so they didn’t think I was threatening or their life was in danger when I broke into their house!”

Solkern

03-04-2021, 11:51 PM

So again, no proof. Good job. I accept your appology.

Why move the goal post? First, it was ANY court in the country, now it’s just “most states”. Which is it? Is it going to be just some states next?

~Rocktar~

03-05-2021, 01:08 AM

Why move the goal post? First, it was ANY court in the country, now it’s just “most states”. Which is it? Is it going to be just some states next?

It's still you not providing any evidence from any court case where someone shot an intruder and testified that they did not feel threatened and/or someone else was not threatened.

Solkern

03-05-2021, 02:05 AM

It's still you not providing any evidence from any court case where someone shot an intruder and testified that they did not feel threatened and/or someone else was not threatened.

Your original post said that breaking and entering isn’t threatening. Which is it, and every court would agree to that. But keep moving those goal posts!

Here let me help you.

Under changes made to Kentucky law in 2006, a resident can almost always assume that the person breaking into their home means to cause harm. The law gives the resident the presumptive right to use or physical force or deadly physical force to repel any attacker or intruder.

The Castle Doctrine legally protects you in Kentucky under these circumstances.

There was a forceful and unlawful entry into your home, business, or occupied vehicle.
You were not the original aggressor.
You were not engaged in criminal activity.
You have a legal right to be where you are.

(Funny how feeling “threatened” isn’t listed, oh that’s because breaking and entering is a threatening action.)

https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/cri...-intruder.html

There is a split amongst the states as to whether or not deadly force can be used. The majority of states hold that any degree of physical force, including deadly force, can be used by the occupant to protect against an invader. But there is a strong minority of states, including West Virginia, that requires a reasonable belief that the intruder intended to inflict serious bodily injury.

So yeah, you can shoot someone and kill them if they simply break into your house.. in the majority of states.
Try harder Rocktard.