Winners and Losers - Election 2020

[Parkbandit]

Winners:

Joe Biden - Looks like he will be the next President, barring any court battle wins for Trump. 3rd time's the charm!
Republicans - Supposed to be a massive blue wave, the Republicans gained seats in the House and so far have only lost 1 seat in the Senate.
Wall Street - With split control of House/Senate and WH, Wall Street seems enthusiastic.
Marijuana - Looks like more states are coming around to legalizing.. next step is Federal.
Advertisers - More money spent on this election than any other.

Losers:

Trump - Looks like he lost and with his ego, we will have to hear about it for the next 4 years until he runs again.... Please don't.
Pollsters - People like Nate Silver should lose their polling jobs. They were more wrong in 2020 than they were in 2016...
Socialism - From Warren to Bernie and the policies they touted were shot down. Biden literally won by beating socialism.
Pelosi - I would be surprised if she remains as Speaker after this election.
Schumer - He wants to be Senate Majority so badly, doesn't look like it's going to be for the next 2 years at least.
Democrat donors - How much money was wasted on battles against Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell.. and the results weren't even close.
Lincoln Project donors - So much money given to races that lost.. all because of raging TDS. A fool and his money is soon parted.
DC/PR Statehood - Without the Senate, looks like DC and Puerto Rico won't becoming states anytime soon
SCOTUS Packing - It was a retarded plan to begin with, but it's effectively DOA
Hillary Clinton - Joe Fucking Biden beat him where you couldn't. JOE FUCKING BIDEN. You need to go live in a cabin in the woods, never to be heard from again.
Democrats - I know.. it's weird, especially if Biden wins.. but Trump did a lot for minorities and he increased his percentages to a 50 year high for a Republican Presidential candidate. Hopefully Republicans continue this going forward and Democrats continue to take the black vote for granted.

[Solkern]

I think the senate won big. Especially if the republicans hold onto it. They can pass whatever bills and anything that comes off as negative that can blame the Dems and Biden.
Democratic senators in Georgia... an extremely strong showing, showed that Georgia is definitely turning blue on all levels of the govt.

Trump lost big... the amount of legal turmoil he’s going to have when he leaves office is going to be hell for him.
The house democrats... their stupidity cost them so many votes, Pelosi really fucked shit up.
Republicans in Georgia... going to lose a traditionally red stronghold.

[Fierna]

Winners:

Joe Biden - Looks like he will be the next President, barring any court battle wins for Trump. 3rd time's the charm!
Republicans - Supposed to be a massive blue wave, the Republicans gained seats in the House and so far have only lost 1 seat in the Senate.
Wall Street - With split control of House/Senate and WH, Wall Street seems enthusiastic.
Marijuana - Looks like more states are coming around to legalizing.. next step is Federal.
Advertisers - More money spent on this election than any other.

Losers:

Trump - Looks like he lost and with his ego, we will have to hear about it for the next 4 years until he runs again.... Please don't.
Pollsters - People like Nate Silver should lose their polling jobs. They were more wrong in 2020 than they were in 2016...
Socialism - From Warren to Bernie and the policies they touted were shot down. Biden literally won by beating socialism.
Pelosi - I would be surprised if she remains as Speaker after this election.
Schumer - He wants to be Senate Majority so badly, doesn't look like it's going to be for the next 2 years at least.
Democrat donors - How much money was wasted on battles against Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell.. and the results weren't even close.
Lincoln Project donors - So much money given to races that lost.. all because of raging TDS. A fool and his money is soon parted.
DC/PR Statehood - Without the Senate, looks like DC and Puerto Rico won't becoming states anytime soon
SCOTUS Packing - It was a retarded plan to begin with, but it's effectively DOA
Hillary Clinton - Joe Fucking Biden beat him where you couldn't. JOE FUCKING BIDEN. You need to go live in a cabin in the woods, never to be heard from again.
Democrats - I know.. it's weird, especially if Biden wins.. but Trump did a lot for minorities and he increased his percentages to a 50 year high for a Republican Presidential candidate. Hopefully Republicans continue this going forward and Democrats continue to take the black vote for granted.

I suprisingly agree with all of this.

[Neveragain]

Winners:

Joe Biden - Looks like he will be the next President, barring any court battle wins for Trump. 3rd time's the charm!
Republicans - Supposed to be a massive blue wave, the Republicans gained seats in the House and so far have only lost 1 seat in the Senate.
Wall Street - With split control of House/Senate and WH, Wall Street seems enthusiastic.
Marijuana - Looks like more states are coming around to legalizing.. next step is Federal.
Advertisers - More money spent on this election than any other.

Losers:

Trump - Looks like he lost and with his ego, we will have to hear about it for the next 4 years until he runs again.... Please don't.
Pollsters - People like Nate Silver should lose their polling jobs. They were more wrong in 2020 than they were in 2016...
Socialism - From Warren to Bernie and the policies they touted were shot down. Biden literally won by beating socialism.
Pelosi - I would be surprised if she remains as Speaker after this election.
Schumer - He wants to be Senate Majority so badly, doesn't look like it's going to be for the next 2 years at least.
Democrat donors - How much money was wasted on battles against Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell.. and the results weren't even close.
Lincoln Project donors - So much money given to races that lost.. all because of raging TDS. A fool and his money is soon parted.
DC/PR Statehood - Without the Senate, looks like DC and Puerto Rico won't becoming states anytime soon
SCOTUS Packing - It was a retarded plan to begin with, but it's effectively DOA
Hillary Clinton - Joe Fucking Biden beat him where you couldn't. JOE FUCKING BIDEN. You need to go live in a cabin in the woods, never to be heard from again.
Democrats - I know.. it's weird, especially if Biden wins.. but Trump did a lot for minorities and he increased his percentages to a 50 year high for a Republican Presidential candidate. Hopefully Republicans continue this going forward and Democrats continue to take the black vote for granted.

I will probably be voting Democrat in the midterms because our governor is so fucking bad.

[Bhaalizmo]

https://youtu.be/WkZ5e94QnWk

[beldannon5]

Will Georgia turn blue now that trump is gone? Seriouss quesition. I mean lots of votes were anti trump anti repub because of trump

[beldannon5]

I agree with parks assessment. Although I think America is a loser in this. Time will tell.

[Parkbandit]

I agree with parks assessment. Although I think America is a loser in this. Time will tell.

America survived 8 years of Obama... it can survive 4 years of Biden.

[Parkbandit]

Another winner: Hunter Biden. Any investigation on his questionable dealings will quickly be put to rest.

[Bhaalizmo]

Another winner: Hunter Biden. Any investigation on his questionable dealings will quickly be put to rest.

That's reasonable for a bunch of trumped up bs accusations.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I like how liberals are trying to dismiss 69 million votes for a REALLY shitty president.

[Taernath]

I like how liberals are trying to dismiss 69 million votes for a REALLY shitty president.

I thought democracy was mob rule though?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I thought democracy was mob rule though?

Pretty sure the electoral college says no. Thank god it's in place, even if a socialist won.

[Taernath]

Pretty sure the electoral college says no. Thank god it's in place, even if a socialist won.

Well, rest easy, Trump didn't win either the popular OR electoral vote. There was a brief period of time where he was ahead in popular and I thought it would be absolute delicious irony if he lost on electoral grounds, but... you know.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Well, rest easy, Trump didn't win either the popular OR electoral vote. There was a brief period of time where he was ahead in popular and I thought it would be absolute delicious irony if he lost on electoral grounds, but... you know.

Like I said, thank god for the electoral college. I believe in it, even if Biden won it. Good for Biden and lets move forward.

[beldannon5]

until california came in lol where everyone votes legal or not

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

until california came in lol where everyone votes legal or not

Even California should count. Good for them. Wait until their taxes are raised (again) and they move to Texas.

[time4fun]

until california came in lol where everyone votes legal or not

I honestly don't understand why you do this. Do you really not understand that Trump is lying to you?

Let's just be REALLY clear. There's absolutely no systemic voter fraud in this country. And EVERYONE who is actually studying this issue agrees:

NYU School of Law Brennan Justice Center (https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/Briefing_Memo_Debunking_Voter_Fraud_Myth.pdf)

Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-voter-fraud-facts-explai/explainer-despite-trump-claims-voter-fraud-is-extremely-rare-here-is-how-u-s-states-keep-it-that-way-idUSKBN2601HG)

Here's a story by WashPo citing the ERIC's study demonstrating that mail in voter fraud is at .00025% (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/minuscule-number-of-potentially-fraudulent-ballots-in-states-with-universal-mail-voting-undercuts-trump-claims-about-election-risks/2020/06/08/1e78aa26-a5c5-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html)

Heck THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION (https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/database-swells-1285-proven-cases-voter-fraud-america)has only found about 1300 cases of voter fraud SINCE 1979. That's out of about 2 million votes, I believe.

Widespread voter fraud DOES. NOT. EXIST.

Stop spreading lies. Have at least enough faith in your own country to fact check bat shit crazy claims like "MILLIONS OF UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS WERE VOTING ILLEGALLY!".

You're smarter than this.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I honestly don't understand why you do this. Do you really not understand that Trump is lying to you?

Let's just be REALLY clear. There's absolutely no systemic voter fraud in this country. And EVERYONE who is actually studying this issue agrees:

NYU School of Law Brennan Justice Center (https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/Briefing_Memo_Debunking_Voter_Fraud_Myth.pdf)

Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-voter-fraud-facts-explai/explainer-despite-trump-claims-voter-fraud-is-extremely-rare-here-is-how-u-s-states-keep-it-that-way-idUSKBN2601HG)

Here's a story by WashPo citing the ERIC's study demonstrating that mail in voter fraud is at .00025% (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/minuscule-number-of-potentially-fraudulent-ballots-in-states-with-universal-mail-voting-undercuts-trump-claims-about-election-risks/2020/06/08/1e78aa26-a5c5-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html)

Heck THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION (https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/database-swells-1285-proven-cases-voter-fraud-america)has only found about 1300 cases of voter fraud SINCE 1979. That's out of about 2 million votes, I believe.

Widespread voter fraud DOES. NOT. EXIST.

Stop spreading lies. Have at least enough faith in your own country to fact check bat shit crazy claims like "MILLIONS OF UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS WERE VOTING ILLEGALLY!".

You're smarter than this.

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Bhaalizmo]

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I think that you think this is a funny response when you do it.

It's not.

It makes you look like a defeated debate opponent, throwing a tantrum when beaten by an intellectually superior opponent.

Just sayin

Bitch.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I think that you think this is a funny response when you do it.

It's not.

It makes you look like a defeated debate opponent, throwing a tantrum when beaten by an intellectually superior opponent.

Just sayin

Bitch.

Dude... i was just cleaning our toilets and thinking of you. Post some more videos!

[Urinal Poops]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMG5A_zlkP8

[Bhaalizmo]

I love to hate. Its all that I am. Post some more videos!

You got it.


https://youtu.be/OQvDRe79F8k

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Awesome. How's life treating you?

[Bhaalizmo]

Awesome. How's life treating you?

NOICE.


https://youtu.be/3GwjfUFyY6M

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Truly, that's NOICE. Post maor!

[~Rocktar~]

Losers in this election: The American people.

hereistheevidence.com

[~Rocktar~]

But the Georgia elections were free and fair, amirite?


Kelly Loeffler Calls for Investigation Into 'Unprecedented Changes' Made Before Georgia's 2020 Election

By Randy DeSoto, Patriot Project
Published April 28, 2021 at 4:32pm

Former GOP Sen. Kelly Loeffler of Georgia called on her state’s attorney general to investigate “unprecedented changes” made by Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger during the 2020 election cycle.

Loeffler — who narrowly lost a January runoff election to Democratic challenger Raphael Warnock — argued in a Wednesday letter to Republican Attorney General Chris Carr that Raffensperger’s actions hurt voter confidence and participation.

“We saw the impact of reduced faith in elections in the Senate runoffs, when over 339,000 Republican voters who voted in November did not vote in January,” she wrote.

“Voting rights are not a partisan issue, and the loss of electoral confidence disenfranchises voters of any political affiliation,” Loeffler continued.

The former lawmaker listed multiple problems with last year’s primary and general elections.

“Georgia’s primary election on June 9, 2020 was administered so poorly the Georgia House Governmental Affairs Committee was tasked with investigating the election. The investigation identified the following: (i) multiple issues related to absentee ballots; (ii) inadequate training for the new voting machines; and (iii) procedural issues regarding COVID-19,” Loeffler noted.

She next pointed out that Raffensperger himself announced on Sept. 8, 2020, that 1,000 people faced investigation for double voting by both casting an absentee ballot and voting in person during the primary.

Loeffler went on to cite an agreement Raffensperger made with Georgia Democrats in March 2020 “that materially altered the signature verification process for absentee ballot review — without informing the Georgia General Assembly or the general public.”

The change came “just weeks prior to mailing out mass, unsolicited absentee ballot requests statewide,” she wrote.

Loeffler also highlighted that Raffensperger’s office has accepted $5.59 million from the Center for Election Innovation and Research, which itself has received major funding from Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg and his wife Pricilla Chan.

The CEIR separately gave millions of dollars in grants to certain Georgia counties, Loeffler wrote.

The Center for Tech and Civic Life, which Zuckerberg and Chan also funded, gave $6 million to Fulton County to assist in its election, The Associated Press reported last year.

Loeffler hit the secretary of state for allowing “unsecure drop boxes whose number varied across the state, with some counties having dozens and others having none.”

Further, she pointed out that the “status of hundreds of primary and general elections investigations allegedly opened by the Secretary of State’s office remains unknown.”

Loeffler suggested Raffensperger’s lack of diligence in these matters may be an attempt to protect his own political career.

“Georgians deserve answers regarding these issues and to understand the impact these and other matters may have on future elections,” she concluded. “Failure to acknowledge these issues and irregularities will lead to a continued loss of trust in our elections.”

Raffensperger dismissed Loeffler’s charges, saying in a statement, “Kelly Loeffler’s failure to convince anyone she actually was a Trump supporter is the reason Georgia doesn’t have a Republican Senator or the United States a Republican Senate. The letter and the allegations in it are laughable.”

The Hill reported that Carr’s office turned down Loeffler’s request for an investigation on Wednesday, explaining that, as the lawyer for Georgia’s executive branch, the attorney general cannot investigate its own client.

In March, a Georgia judge indicated he may allow a government watchdog group to examine absentee ballots cast in November’s election in Fulton County — the Atlanta metro area — for potential voter fraud.

https://www.westernjournal.com/kelly-loeffler-calls-investigation-unprecedented-changes-made-georgias-2020-election/

[Ashliana]

But the Georgia elections were free and fair, amirite?

The election completely run by Republicans wasn't free and fair?

:rofl: You know you're a self-parody at this point, right?

[~Rocktar~]

The election completely run by Republicans wasn't free and fair?

:rofl: You know you're a self-parody at this point, right?

It is usually the Left that assumes that because one identifies with a particular political ideology that the person much ascribe to that ideology completely. You do know that many on the Right have been going after this travesty for a while? And then there is the bomb that killed the guy dating the governor's daughter issue that still isn't resolved and has been swept under the rug.

[Ashliana]

Your completely nonsensical response in no way addresses anything that I said, or substantiates your completely retarded position.

"It is usually the Left that..."

No, Rocktard, what the Left assumes or doesn't assume has absolutely no bearing on whether an election completely run by Republicans that resulted in the victory of Democrats was free or fair.

[~Rocktar~]

Keep being retarded.

[Ashliana]

Keep being retarded.

Sorry you're butthurt that you couldn't substantiate your position. But keep on pretending that you weren't forced to drop even the pretense of defending it when challenged even slightly. :)

[~Rocktar~]

Sorry you're butthurt that you couldn't substantiate your position. But keep on pretending that you weren't forced to drop even the pretense of defending it when challenged even slightly. :)

You haven't forced anything. Your delusion that you did just makes people chuckle more.

[Ashliana]

:rofl: "You didn't make me concede! I chose to concede!" isn't the defense you seem to think it is.

Your unwillingness or inability to defend your position only reflects on you. :)

[Kyulen]

It is usually the Left that assumes that because one identifies with a particular political ideology that the person much ascribe to that ideology completely. You do know that many on the Right have been going after this travesty for a while? And then there is the bomb that killed the guy dating the governor's daughter issue that still isn't resolved and has been swept under the rug.


Your completely nonsensical response in no way addresses anything that I said, or substantiates your completely retarded position.

"It is usually the Left that..."

No, Rocktard, what the Left assumes or doesn't assume has absolutely no bearing on whether an election completely run by Republicans that resulted in the victory of Democrats was free or fair.

The Democrats are not "the Left". They may be slightly to the left of the Republicans, but they're still a right-wing party.
http://www.thebreezepaper.com/news-blog/2020/12/18/like-it-or-not-the-democratic-party-is-a-right-wing-party

[Parkbandit]

The Democrats are not "the Left". They may be slightly to the left of the Republicans, but they're still a right-wing party.
http://www.thebreezepaper.com/news-blog/2020/12/18/like-it-or-not-the-democratic-party-is-a-right-wing-party

There is nothing "right" about socialism, defunding the police, critical race theory, cancel culture, etc...

Stop kidding yourself, even though it's obviously very easy.

[~Rocktar~]

The Democrats are not "the Left". They may be slightly to the left of the Republicans, but they're still a right-wing party.
http://www.thebreezepaper.com/news-blog/2020/12/18/like-it-or-not-the-democratic-party-is-a-right-wing-party

You are deluded, the far Left IS the DNC now and despite the efforts of the old guard, they have been dragged into the far Left Socialism zone and look nothing like the DNC of even Slick Willie's time. Though, on close examination, they probably are, just now they don't hide it as well as he, Carter and others did at the time. You aren't right wing, you aren't on the right of anything other than perhaps Stalin and that is only just barely.

The first rule of recovery is that you have to acknowledge that you have a problem. Stop lying to yourself.

[Kyulen]

There is nothing "right" about socialism, defunding the police, critical race theory, cancel culture, etc...

Stop kidding yourself, even though it's obviously very easy.


You are deluded, the far Left IS the DNC now and despite the efforts of the old guard, they have been dragged into the far Left Socialism zone and look nothing like the DNC of even Slick Willie's time. Though, on close examination, they probably are, just now they don't hide it as well as he, Carter and others did at the time. You aren't right wing, you aren't on the right of anything other than perhaps Stalin and that is only just barely.

The first rule of recovery is that you have to acknowledge that you have a problem. Stop lying to yourself.

I think you've both been listening to too much Republican propaganda. The Democrats don't support socialism, defunding the police, etc. Which is why I don't support them. Those of us who are actually left-wing in the U.S. don't support the right-wing capitalist Democrats. In the 2020 presidential election I voted for the Green Party's candidate, Howie Hawkins, because he actually supported left-wing socialist policies. Other real left-wing types in this country voted for other third party candidates such as Gloria La Riva, the candidate for the Party for Socialism and Liberation, or one of a handful of the other left-wing third party candidates who ran for president. And still other leftists in this country might not have voted at all, since the two major parties who generally win elections don't represent our views at all, and only really care about what benefits their rich and big corporate donors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_party_and_independent_candidates_for_the_202 0_United_States_presidential_election

[Shaps]

I think you've both been listening to too much Republican propaganda. The Democrats don't support socialism, defunding the police, etc. Which is why I don't support them. Those of us who are actually left-wing in the U.S. don't support the right-wing capitalist Democrats. In the 2020 presidential election I voted for the Green Party's candidate, Howie Hawkins, because he actually supported left-wing socialist policies. Other real left-wing types in this country voted for other third party candidates such as Gloria La Riva, the candidate for the Party for Socialism and Liberation, or one of a handful of the other left-wing third party candidates who ran for president. And still other leftists in this country might not have voted at all, since the two major parties who generally win elections don't represent our views at all, and only really care about what benefits their rich and big corporate donors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_party_and_independent_candidates_for_the_202 0_United_States_presidential_election

You realize there are plenty of socialist countries. You could just move to one of them. If this shit collapses because of ignorant, idealistic people like yourself... you all will be some of the first ones starved, enslaved, jailed, or murdered by the controlling government.

You just keep on thinking "it will work this time though!"

I'll rely on the historical examples.

[Solkern]

You realize there are plenty of socialist countries. You could just move to one of them. If this shit collapses because of ignorant, idealistic people like yourself... you all will be some of the first ones starved, enslaved, jailed, or murdered by the controlling government.

You just keep on thinking "it will work this time though!"

I'll rely on the historical examples.


That’s a funny argument. If you don’t like something here, move to another country that has what you want!

No matter how much you hate something in the states, no country is better. The benefits far outweigh any negatives in the states.

[Parkbandit]

I think you've both been listening to too much Republican propaganda. The Democrats don't support socialism, defunding the police, etc. Which is why I don't support them. Those of us who are actually left-wing in the U.S. don't support the right-wing capitalist Democrats. In the 2020 presidential election I voted for the Green Party's candidate, Howie Hawkins, because he actually supported left-wing socialist policies. Other real left-wing types in this country voted for other third party candidates such as Gloria La Riva, the candidate for the Party for Socialism and Liberation, or one of a handful of the other left-wing third party candidates who ran for president. And still other leftists in this country might not have voted at all, since the two major parties who generally win elections don't represent our views at all, and only really care about what benefits their rich and big corporate donors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_party_and_independent_candidates_for_the_202 0_United_States_presidential_election

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-poll-democrats-socialist/true-claimpoll-shows-76-percent-of-democrats-say-they-would-vote-for-a-socialist-for-president-idUSKBN20X36M

76% of Democrats would vote for a Socialist President. Literally the first result from googling how many democrats support socialism.

[Parkbandit]

That’s a funny argument. If you don’t like something here, move to another country that has what you want!

No matter how much you hate something in the states, no country is better. The benefits far outweigh any negatives in the states.

If you dislike the economic system that is in place, why wouldn't you move?

Laziness is probably the #1 reason... a common trait in most young people believing socialism is the cure for what ails them.

[Solkern]

If you dislike the economic system that is in place, why wouldn't you move?

Laziness is probably the #1 reason... a common trait in most young people believing socialism is the cure for what ails them.

Because the economic situation is only one part. And the economic situation is better in America than 95%+ of the other countries out there.

[~Rocktar~]

Because the economic situation is only one part. And the economic situation is better in America than 95%+ of the other countries out there.

So why support people and positions that want to destroy that?

[Solkern]

So why support people and positions that want to destroy that?

I don’t support socialism. I never have, and I never will. I live in a socialist country now, I can see the benefits and the drawbacks. And the drawbacks are much higher than the benefits. But of course, I’m extremely well off, so I might not have the same view as someone who isn’t.

Edited; well there are a FEW aspects of socialism that I do support, but the majority of it, I do not.

[Solkern]

So why support people and positions that want to destroy that?

You also have this warped mindset, that every single democrat supports socialism. That’s just not true.

[Ashliana]

If you dislike the economic system that is in place, why wouldn't you move?

Laziness is probably the #1 reason... a common trait in most young people believing socialism is the cure for what ails them.

"Why do the young more favorably look on socialism? Is it because I, Retard Champion and Boomer Parkbandit, grew up in an era where college cost pennies, pension plans were common, houses were affordable, and the top marginal tax rate was over 90%, all of which is no longer true, and that decades of Republican policies shifting wealth to the top 1% via corporate welfare and tax breaks for the super-wealthy, doing nothing to rein in monopolies, and non-stop deficit spending not benefiting the public have made people appropriately cynical of what Republicans call capitalism? NO! THAT CAN'T BE! IT'S LAZY PEOPLE! LAZY PEOPLE AND MINORITIES!"

[~Rocktar~]

You also have this warped mindset, that every single democrat supports socialism. That’s just not true.

It's a reflection of the Leftist/DNC argument that all Conservatives are Trump zombies and so on. And yet, still, you support a party that has whole heartedly embraced Socialism and a deeply radical, divisive and destructive agenda while trying to install a totalitarian government. Your credibility in this matter is pretty weak.

[Ashliana]

It's a reflection of the Leftist/DNC argument that all Conservatives are Trump zombies and so on.

Republicans are about to kick their third ranking member out of her leadership role for not being enough of a Trump zombie willing to shill his ego-soothing nonsense. Your retarded refusal to read the news reflects on you.


And yet, still, you support a party that has whole heartedly embraced Socialism and a deeply radical, divisive and destructive agenda while trying to install a totalitarian government. Your credibility in this matter is pretty weak.

:rofl: Speaking of weak credibility, you 1) don't even know what socialism is, 2) didn't substantiate your claim that "the party has wholeheartedly embraced it," 3) don't know what radical is, 4) don't know what divisive is, 5) don't know what destructive is, and 6) don't know what totalitarianism is.

You're like the personification of a comment section from a Breitbart article. Kudos.

[Shaps]

That’s a funny argument. If you don’t like something here, move to another country that has what you want!

No matter how much you hate something in the states, no country is better. The benefits far outweigh any negatives in the states.

Here's an analogy:

You have a warm house, it's extremely cold outside, and you have an outhouse for when you have to go to the bathroom.

Normally you walk outside and shit in the outhouse.

Because it's nice and cozy warm in the house, you decide to just shit in your living room because why get cold walking to the outhouse.


What's your house eventually? The outhouse.

[caelric]

Here's an analogy:

You have a warm house, it's extremely cold outside, and you have an outhouse for when you have to go to the bathroom.

Normally you walk outside and shit in the outhouse.

Because it's nice and cozy warm in the house, you decide to just shit in your living room because why get cold walking to the outhouse.


What's your house eventually? The outhouse.

You pretty much just described most major urban centers and the politicians that run them.

[drauz]

If you dislike the economic system that is in place, why wouldn't you move?

Laziness is probably the #1 reason... a common trait in most young people believing socialism is the cure for what ails them.

Seems a weird position to take. Someone wanting to change the way a society works is lazy?

But yeah, why wouldn't someone want to move to a country where they don't know the language and have no job prospects.

Why don't people on the right just move to a place where abortion is illegal.

It's a retarded argument.

[caelric]

Change a society? Sure. I think plenty of things need to be changed, including becoming more libertarian (which includes socially liberal).

Current batch of leftists want to destroy our society and turn it into a socialist shithole.

[Shaps]

Seems a weird position to take. Someone wanting to change the way a society works is lazy?

But yeah, why wouldn't someone want to move to a country where they don't know the language and have no job prospects.

Why don't people on the right just move to a place where abortion is illegal.

It's a retarded argument.

Your comparison is retarded. One is a personal choice that only affects the individual involved; socialism as a system of government that would rule over us all.

Stop with the strawman arguments - you want to abort your baby? Go ahead - doesn't affect me. You can live with that guilt and shame. Not my issue.

But you want to come try and take my money, tell me what I have to do, or limit my thought because you think so? No thanks.

Fuck it, let's just let it happen and all burn. Would be fun to watch the crying and destitution of people that support it. We can just be the next failed attempt at socialism. I'll just laugh my ass off as people, their friends, and their family all suffer - because that's what they wanted.

Here's another analogy: Dumb college kid inserts fireworks into his ass... his friends are recording... dumbass lights the firework... and his ass and balls get scorched. Everyone in the world laughs at his stupidity.

That's what this is going to turn into if left unchecked. The US currently has that firework firmly shoved up it's ass, and the lighter off to the side. We'll see what happens.

[Ashliana]

We can just be the next failed attempt at socialism. I'll just laugh my ass off as people, their friends, and their family all suffer - because that's what they wanted.

Here's another analogy: Dumb college kid inserts fireworks into his ass... his friends are recording... dumbass lights the firework... and his ass and balls get scorched. Everyone in the world laughs at his stupidity.

That's what this is going to turn into if left unchecked. The US currently has that firework firmly shoved up it's ass, and the lighter off to the side. We'll see what happens.

Your entire argument is muddied by you throwing out the term "socialist" when 1) you don't know what it means, 2) nothing that either party has ever passed or even really argued for constitutes it.

The proposal that usually gets the right-wing frothing at the mouth is the suggestion that we move to a system of universal healthcare coverage, something that


every industrialized nation on the planet except the United States has, none of those countries are socialist, and the US is richer than every one of those other countries.
isn't socialist

In other words, your argument is profoundly retarded. Like virtually everything else you say.

[caelric]

Hush, now, ashy-poo. Adults are talking here.

[Ashliana]

Hush, now, KKKaelric. Adults are talking here.

[Shaps]

Hush, now, ashy-poo. Adults are talking here.

Don't even bother giving them recognition. They're just a troll, or either extremely dumb.

You'll notice people like that, their repetitive comments are all they were taught and think it works on everyone. They try to insult, name call, degrade others over and over until people give in.

Just ignore them and never give in. Feel confident in the fact that deep down, they know they're ignorant and only seeking attention in some sort of group setting for validation.

[caelric]

They're just a troll, or either extremely dumb.


I'm pretty sure that's an inclusive OR.

[drauz]

Stop with the strawman arguments - you want to abort your baby? Go ahead - doesn't affect me. You can live with that guilt and shame. Not my issue.

But you want to come try and take my money, tell me what I have to do, or limit my thought because you think so? No thanks.

Yeah.... no one gives a fuck about your personal opinion. It's what the Republican party is fighting for. They are literally telling people what they have to do by making abortion illegal, but it's something you agree with so you don't have a problem with that. That's not the wrong-think for you.

Fuck off with your hypocrisy, you're fine with telling people what to do just so long as it's what you believe and everyone else can just move to another country.

[Ashliana]

Don't even bother giving them recognition. They're just a troll, or either extremely dumb.

You'll notice people like that, their repetitive comments are all they were taught and think it works on everyone. They try to insult, name call, degrade others over and over until people give in.

Just ignore them and never give in. Feel confident in the fact that deep down, they know they're ignorant and only seeking attention in some sort of group setting for validation.

Since your lack of self-awareness is brand-defining, at this point, extra special kudos on claiming "they try to insult, name call, degrade others over and over" after literally just finishing doing it.

:rofl:

Hint: There's a reason you couldn't substantively respond. Willful ignorance on your part doesn't constitute a reasoned position, and you demonstrated your inability to defend your position.


I'm pretty sure that's an inclusive OR.

Same with you. There's a reason you don't actually try to lay out a coherent argument: it's because you don't have one, and you're okay with the fact that you'll never convince a single person who doesn't also get their information from Tucker Carlson.

[drauz]

Don't even bother giving them recognition. They're just a troll, or either extremely dumb.

You'll notice people like that, their repetitive comments are all they were taught and think it works on everyone. They try to insult, name call, degrade others over and over until people give in.

Just ignore them and never give in. Feel confident in the fact that deep down, they know they're ignorant and only seeking attention in some sort of group setting for validation.

How dare you talk about Rocktar like that!!!111

[Solkern]

It's a reflection of the Leftist/DNC argument that all Conservatives are Trump zombies and so on. And yet, still, you support a party that has whole heartedly embraced Socialism and a deeply radical, divisive and destructive agenda while trying to install a totalitarian government. Your credibility in this matter is pretty weak.

Ugh? Your party is about to kick out the 3rd ranking member, for not being a Trump zombie.. you do realize that, right?

Democrats have not whole-heartedly embraced socialism, you got anything to support your bold claim?

What radical, divisive, and destructive agenda has Biden pushed through or laid on the table? You need to understand that, 100% of “Republicans” in the states aren’t elected officials. While your elected officials have rejected what Biden has done, last checked quite a lot of the Republican base has supported and approved of what Biden has accomplished so far.
That’s unity.

[Solkern]

Your comparison is retarded. One is a personal choice that only affects the individual involved; socialism as a system of government that would rule over us all.


You’re 100% right, one is a PERSONAL choice, so the government should stay the fuck out, and let that person decide to have an abortion or not… but wait the other is also a personal choice.

Living in a country where abortion is legal or illegal, is a personal choice. Don’t like it? Go move to a country that supports whatever position you stand for.

Just like living in a country that is socialist, communist, democratic, or authoritarian, is also a personal choice. Don’t like it? Leave.

[Shaps]

Yeah.... no one gives a fuck about your personal opinion. It's what the Republican party is fighting for. They are literally telling people what they have to do by making abortion illegal, but it's something you agree with so you don't have a problem with that. That's not the wrong-think for you.

Fuck off with your hypocrisy, you're fine with telling people what to do just so long as it's what you believe and everyone else can just move to another country.

So you're literally going back to the old argument about abortion? And making it about that?

Seems I struck a nerve with you.

I literally said, "I don't care if you abort your baby". How is that something I agree with the Republican party with?

What I don't support is aborting a baby in the third trimester like a lot of progressives are pushing, but if you agree with that - then your soul is lost as is.

I'm fine with telling people to do what they want, without the government's involvement. If you want me to tell you to be a bitch and kneel down then I can do that too. So just kneel down, bend over, and take it in the ass. The government will take care of you sweetie.

That better?

[Shaps]

You’re 100% right, one is a PERSONAL choice, so the government should stay the fuck out, and let that person decide to have an abortion or not… but wait the other is also a personal choice.

Living in a country where abortion is legal or illegal, is a personal choice. Don’t like it? Go move to a country that supports whatever position you stand for.
Just like living in a country that is socialist, communist, democratic, or authoritarian, is also a personal choice. Don’t like it? Leave.

Sort of like immunizations right?

Oh wait.

[Solkern]

Sort of like immunizations right?

Oh wait.

Everything boils down to personal choice. Part of being a US citizen is agreeing to a set of requirements. But that is still a personal choice, you can give up your citizenship anytime you want.

Regarding immunizations. If I am going to have a baby in the states, and immunizations are required by law. It’s my choice to have that baby, and that child is under my care and I make the decision and choices for my baby until he/she is old enough to make the decisions himself/herself. If I don’t agree with it. I’ll have a baby in another country, or not have a child. That’s a personal choice I need to make.

Edited: My daughter just got her US passport(Yay!), and I know that before we move back to the states, she needs to have all her shots. That’s a choice I need to make for my daughter, because she’s not old enough to make that decision herself.

[drauz]

So you're literally going back to the old argument about abortion? And making it about that?

Seems I struck a nerve with you.

I literally said, "I don't care if you abort your baby". How is that something I agree with the Republican party with?

What I don't support is aborting a baby in the third trimester like a lot of progressives are pushing, but if you agree with that - then your soul is lost as is.

I'm fine with telling people to do what they want, without the government's involvement. If you want me to tell you to be a bitch and kneel down then I can do that too. So just kneel down, bend over, and take it in the ass. The government will take care of you sweetie.

That better?

It's like you read the first sentence and were like "I know he said my personal opinion didn't matter but I better try to explain my personal position one more time just in case".

Again, I am pointing out your hypocrisy not advocating one position or another.

When other people try to change the USA you tell them to "move to another country". But you won't move to another country when you want things changed in USA, you advocate for change from the government.

All I've been saying is that "move to another country" shtick is retarded.

[Solkern]

It's like you read the first sentence and were like "I know he said my personal opinion didn't matter but I better try to explain my personal position one more time just in case".

Again, I am pointing out your hypocrisy not advocating one position or another.

When other people try to change the USA you tell them to "move to another country". But you won't move to another country when you want things changed in USA, you advocate for change from the government.

All I've been saying is that "move to another country" shtick is retarded.

He’s literally posted 100’s of threads about how America is going to destroy itself and all hell is going to break lose since the election. Yet, when someone says they don’t like the direction of the country, he tells them to pack their shit up and move! Maybe he should take his own advice? Lol

[Parkbandit]

You also have this warped mindset, that every single democrat supports socialism. That’s just not true.

https://siriuscoffee.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/straw-man_500.gif?w=201&h=241

[Parkbandit]

Because the economic situation is only one part. And the economic situation is better in America than 95%+ of the other countries out there.

So, capitalism isn't the abject failure that your side constantly whines about....

Weird.

[Parkbandit]

Seems a weird position to take. Someone wanting to change the way a society works is lazy?

Read my post again. If you still need help, I'll help.. but I hope you can get there on your own.


But yeah, why wouldn't someone want to move to a country where they don't know the language and have no job prospects.

Why don't people on the right just move to a place where abortion is illegal.

It's a retarded argument.

Canada is more socialistic than the US.. with the same language and job opportunities.

I've never stayed in a place where I didn't like what was happening around me. I moved.

[Shaps]

Everything boils down to personal choice. Part of being a US citizen is agreeing to a set of requirements. But that is still a personal choice, you can give up your citizenship anytime you want.

Regarding immunizations. If I am going to have a baby in the states, and immunizations are required by law. It’s my choice to have that baby, and that child is under my care and I make the decision and choices for my baby until he/she is old enough to make the decisions himself/herself. If I don’t agree with it. I’ll have a baby in another country, or not have a child. That’s a personal choice I need to make.

Edited: My daughter just got her US passport(Yay!), and I know that before we move back to the states, she needs to have all her shots. That’s a choice I need to make for my daughter, because she’s not old enough to make that decision herself.

1. Congratulations to your daughter, that's awesome and wish the best for you and the family.

2. Yes, yes, and yes. Your choice. In full agreement.

3. We need the government to interfere less, allowing personal choice. Not the direction it is headed, restricting it more and more than it already is.

[Shaps]

It's like you read the first sentence and were like "I know he said my personal opinion didn't matter but I better try to explain my personal position one more time just in case".

Again, I am pointing out your hypocrisy not advocating one position or another.

When other people try to change the USA you tell them to "move to another country". But you won't move to another country when you want things changed in USA, you advocate for change from the government.

All I've been saying is that "move to another country" shtick is retarded.

It's not when applied to the STRUCTURE OF GOVERNMENT.

There are plenty of places with the STRUCTURE OF GOVERNMENT that the left wants in this country. So move to them.

There is only one country with the STRUCTURE OF GOVERNMENT that is in the United States. Leave it alone.

Individual issues, sure we can talk about, discuss, modify slightly. Changing the STRUCTURE OF GOVERNMENT to afford the government more regulation over INDIVIDUAL rights and lives is something I'm vehemently against.

It's not hypocrisy to say "I'd like the one country with the current individual liberties and protections that ours affords to remain sovereign".

[Shaps]

He’s literally posted 100’s of threads about how America is going to destroy itself and all hell is going to break lose since the election. Yet, when someone says they don’t like the direction of the country, he tells them to pack their shit up and move! Maybe he should take his own advice? Lol

Lol.. I've said we're on the brink and it if keeps going that direction it will.

I've lived in places and and seen the effects of the policies that are being pushed. I'm fine living in areas of conflict. Most people are not, and I'll laugh my ass off the whole time if shit keeps happening.

I've also done what needs to be done for myself to afford me the liberty to laugh when/if it happens and people want to keep going down this road.

Calling out the insanity of "this time socialism will work!" is just a warning, so I won't feel guilty laughing while watching the suffering occur. It's what you want, so be it.

[Shaps]

Here's a nice example of Government "protection"...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/therapists-could-criminalised-treating-gender-124002254.html

Don't ask, don't inquire, don't examine, don't explore, don't question.

If you do, it could be criminal.

So interesting to see the cycles of history, and how progression and regression works.

[drauz]

I've never stayed in a place where I didn't like what was happening around me. I moved.

Seems pretty lazy.

[Parkbandit]

Seems pretty lazy.

Then you've never moved. It's the opposite of lazy.

[~Rocktar~]

Ugh? Your party is about to kick out the 3rd ranking member, for not being a Trump zombie.. you do realize that, right?

Democrats have not whole-heartedly embraced socialism, you got anything to support your bold claim?

What radical, divisive, and destructive agenda has Biden pushed through or laid on the table? You need to understand that, 100% of “Republicans” in the states aren’t elected officials. While your elected officials have rejected what Biden has done, last checked quite a lot of the Republican base has supported and approved of what Biden has accomplished so far.
That’s unity.

Wow, this is so much retarded in one place, I don't know how to respond. And you actually think that Conservatives support things Biden has done? Wow. Just wow. Did you hit your head a s a kid, were you dropped on your head as a baby, was there a car accident, hydranencephaly, something to explain what's wrong with you?

[Solkern]

Wow, this is so much retarded in one place, I don't know how to respond. And you actually think that Conservatives support things Biden has done? Wow. Just wow. Did you hit your head a s a kid, were you dropped on your head as a baby, was there a car accident, hydranencephaly, something to explain what's wrong with you?


Every poll I have checked, backs up my claim. That quite a lot of republicans supported Biden’s Covid bill.

[Parkbandit]

Every poll I have checked, backs up my claim. That quite a lot of republicans supported Biden’s Covid bill.

You're using polls in this country to back up your claims.

That's fucking retarded.

[Ashliana]

You're using polls in this country to back up your claims.

That's fucking retarded.

One is using an imperfect method to estimate support for something. The other, Retard Champion Parkbandit, believes he can just invent positions out of fat air and that they somehow have validity.

Spoiler Alert: That's fucking retarded.

[Solkern]

You're using polls in this country to back up your claims.

That's fucking retarded.

It’s the only way to judge how a president is doing in the eyes of the people, or to measure their support, during their term.

But, I’m 100% sure you know a perfect way to measure this without any type of poll, right? Other than just speaking out of your ass? Please do share.

[Tgo01]

Every poll I have checked, backs up my claim. That quite a lot of republicans supported Biden’s Covid bill.

Gee how about that, after the government (mostly Democrats) forced people out of their jobs, resulting in food insecurity for many families and many parents wondering how they will support their families, people are in favor of the government giving them money.

I would be willing to bet that if the question had been phrased thusly: "Would you prefer the Democrats never took away your job to begin with, or would you prefer they forced you out of your job and put your family through hell and are now giving you crumbs" that 99% of Republicans, 70% of independents, and even 40% of Democrats would have opted for the former.

[Shaps]

When the "media" and "pollsters" think the US is all about Democrat "policies":

https://www.atr.org/map?amp

When you look at unemployment and how states are doing:

https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

I'll let you guess who the bottom 8 states are run by.

Kill them with numbers.

[Ashliana]

When the "media" and "pollsters" think the US is all about Democrat "policies":

https://www.atr.org/map?amp

When you look at unemployment and how states are doing:

https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

I'll let you guess who the bottom 8 states are run by.

Kill them with numbers.

There's a reason why you went with that metric, and not, say, median wages, or GDP per capita. It's because the poorest states are run by Republicans, which you desperately wish wasn't the case, and have absolutely no explanation for.

Because you're retarded, Shaps.

[Shaps]

https://dqydj.com/average-income-by-state-median-top-percentiles/

https://meric.mo.gov/data/cost-living-data-series

Money is relative. Cost of living matters.

Go back to your home psycho. Get to page 100 already.

[Ashliana]

https://dqydj.com/average-income-by-state-median-top-percentiles/

https://meric.mo.gov/data/cost-living-data-series

Money is relative. Cost of living matters.

That doesn't address anything that I said, and cost of living differences don't explain the fact that the poorest states are run by the GOP. Why is the bottom quartile of the US overwhelmingly run by Republicans? Why haven't enlightened GOP policies skyrocketed those states to prosperity?

Spoiler Alert: It's because Republican policy doesn't help people.


Go back to your home psycho. Get to page 100 already.

I'll post where I please, though it's hilarious you have the same control issues as PB and Methais. If anything, you've given me extra incentive to keep blowing your "positions" away, so by all means, keep going. It's a delight to point out how profoundly retarded your worldview is.

[Shaps]

Did you even read what I posted?

I posted the numbers you claimed I was avoiding.

You know why "earnings" are higher in blue states (and not by much if you look at the averages - which I linked) - is because they have to pay more because.... here's a surprise for you.... taxes are higher and cost of living is higher due to government involvement.

Odd how that works right?

Just like you see companies and industries moving out of blue run states to those with more reasonable terms, you'll see incomes go up in those locations.

Additionally you have state assets vs liabilities... we'll let you guess who runs the states at the top of that list... oh wait... you'll say something stupid, so let me give you the info:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewdepietro/2020/11/23/states-with-the-most-and-least-debt-in-2020/?sh=15fd848578a3


Back to my policy of not responding to you, as even when I give you the numbers you just "wah wah wah" like usual.

[Bhaalizmo]

Back to my policy of not responding to you, as even when I give you the numbers you just "wah wah wah" like usual.

You really need to stop claiming to ignore the person you're endlessly debating.

You're very bad at this.

[Ashliana]

Did you even read what I posted?

I did, and it didn't address what I said to you. Hence my telling you that your links didn't address what I said, and your premise didn't lead to your conclusion.


I posted the numbers you claimed I was avoiding.

1) No, you didn't, you posted other metrics that don't substantiate any of your claims, and 2) You made an argument that demonstrates you don't know anything about economics.


You know why "earnings" are higher in blue states (and not by much if you look at the averages - which I linked) - is because they have to pay more because.... here's a surprise for you.... taxes are higher and cost of living is higher due to government involvement.

Odd how that works right?

You don't know the difference between the mean and median, how they relate, how they differ in different states, or why. Earnings are not higher in blue states "because they have to pay more taxes and have a higher cost of living." nor is that difference in cost of living purely "due to government involvement." It's because the richer, bluer, coastal states (or islands of blue in the middle) are dense centers of commerce and the arts, and most of the middle of the country where the GOP is dominant is composed of empty space. Odd how that works, right?


Just like you see companies and industries moving out of blue run states to those with more reasonable terms, you'll see incomes go up in those locations.

... which doesn't have anything to do with anything.


Additionally you have state assets vs liabilities... we'll let you guess who runs the states at the top of that list... oh wait... you'll say something stupid, so let me give you the info:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewdepietro/2020/11/23/states-with-the-most-and-least-debt-in-2020/?sh=15fd848578a3


That also doesn't have anything to do with anything. Is this your new strategy?


Back to my policy of not responding to you, as even when I give you the numbers you just "wah wah wah" like usual.

Back to you posting thread after thread of vacuous, poorly reasoned nonsense? Spectacular. Best of luck learning how to defend your positions, though. You'll need it.