Domestic Terrorists Plot to Overthrow Government

[Keller]

TL;DR - domestic terrorism group plot to overthrow Michigan governor thwarted by FBI

(Reuters) - The FBI said on Thursday it thwarted a plot to overthrow the Michigan state government and kidnap its governor, Gretchen Whitmer, and had probable cause to charge six men with a failed operation that involved reaching out to a militia group.


The operation will be announced at a press conference of law enforcement officials at 1 p.m. in Grand Rapids, which will be attended by Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel and the state’s leading federal prosecutors.


The FBI first got wind that a group of individuals “were discussing the violent overthrow of certain government and law-enforcement components” in early 2020, according to an affidavit by special agent Richard Trask released by the FBI on Thursday.


The alleged plot included reaching out to a militia group, which was not named in the affidavit.


Trask said there was probable cause to charge six men - Adam Fox, Barry Croft, Ty Garbin, Kaleb Franks, Daniel Harris and Brandon Caserta - with conspiring to kidnap Whitmer, a Democrat and frequent critic of Republican President Donald Trump.


In September, Fox posted in an encrypted chat that he did not want a final training exercise to be held in the last week of October because it would not leave enough time to execute the kidnapping before the national election on Nov. 3, Trask said.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-michigan-whitmer/fbi-thwarts-plot-to-kidnap-michigan-governor-affidavit-idUSKBN26T2ZF?il=0
“The group agreed to use the time until the final training exercise to raise money for explosives and other supplies,” Trask wrote in the affidavit.

[Tgo01]

So are Democrats going to finally call out the terrorists in BLM and Antifa? Or are they just going to clutch their pearls about this and continue to ignore the terrorists burning down cities because those terrorists leftwing? We all know it's the latter.

[Keller]

Tgo Triggered. Too easy.

[Tgo01]

Tgo Triggered. Too easy.

So I already called how this will go in the first reply in this thread? You Democrats are a little too predictable.

[drauz]

So are Democrats going to finally call out the terrorists in BLM and Antifa? Or are they just going to clutch their pearls about this and continue to ignore the terrorists burning down cities because those terrorists leftwing? We all know it's the latter.

NO U!

[Back]

Remember in April when the Governor of Michigan closed the state down like everyone around the entire world was doing to protect their citizens?


Trump tweets 'liberate' Michigan, two other states with Dem governors

President Donald Trump targeted Michigan, Minnesota and Virginia in tweets Friday calling for officials to "liberate" the states amid protests over stay-at-home orders aimed at stemming the spread of COVID-19.


Trump first tweeted "LIBERATE MINNESOTA!" Then, a minute later, the president tweeted "LIBERATE MICHIGAN!"


Minutes after that, he added in another message, "LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!"

Direct evidence of Trump encouraging fringe groups to incite violence against the government.

It should be treason.

[Keller]

So I already called how this will go in the first reply in this thread? You Democrats are a little too predictable.

I'll be 100 percent honest. The reason I post on the PC at this point is to fuck with you, Squiggles, and the other members of the shit pit whose names I don't care to know.

Nothing is or has been productively discussed on this subforum in over a decade.

If you just put me on ignore and stopped responding, I'd probably go away.

[Keller]

What is really making me laugh is that I intentionally didn't editorialize the political leanings of the terrorists and Tgo assumed (correctly) the political leanings of this losers.

[~Rocktar~]

Hummmm, in other news, Governor Tyrant after being smacked down by the state supreme court of Michigan for her illegal executive orders is back at it trying to use a different set of laws to carry on her tyrannical rule.

Democrats just can't stand when the rule of law blocks their absolute power.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3143809

[Keller]

One of the best governors in the U.S. Love our Gretchen!

[~Rocktar~]

One of the best governors in the U.S. Love our Gretchen!

You and every other Communist sympathizer out there. You can't get enough of your totalitarian government types. Hell, if Trump ruled like she has, you would be creaming your pants over him.

[drauz]

Hummmm, in other news, Governor Tyrant after being smacked down by the state supreme court of Michigan for her illegal executive orders is back at it trying to use a different set of laws to carry on her tyrannical rule.

Democrats just can't stand when the rule of law blocks their absolute power.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3143809

The one in PA scares me more.

[Geijon]

So are Democrats going to finally call out the terrorists in BLM and Antifa? Or are they just going to clutch their pearls about this and continue to ignore the terrorists burning down cities because those terrorists leftwing? We all know it's the latter.

This meltdown day 9+?

Credible FBI action thwarted a murder plot. Tgo01 mentions but but but looters, BLM and Antifa as some kind of valid response?

How is the beach ball out on your lonely island, Tom?

[beldannon5]

While I think the governor shouldn't be in office. It was the wrong way to try or want to do it. And keller no you wouldn't stop. Its in your peoples nature to love stupidty and say and encourage stupid things so you wouldn't stay away. By people I mean the left

[~Rocktar~]

The one in PA scares me more.

Yeah, not a good thing all over, and Governor Blackface in VA ranks among the scary ones.

[Tgo01]

What is really making me laugh is that I intentionally didn't editorialize the political leanings of the terrorists and Tgo assumed (correctly) the political leanings of this losers.

Right because I look to you for my "news." You're the first and only source of this information I am reading!

Fucktard. Like anyone with just half a brain (so this leaves out Seran) couldn't tell what you were getting at. I don't recall you making a single post when left wing terrorists were burning down cities, murdering people in the street, and assaulting people in their front yards, but 10 minutes after this news broke here you are. You aren't that deep, Keller, You are one of the most shallow people I have ever had the misfortune to interact with.

[Seran]

TL;DR - domestic terrorism group plot to overthrow Michigan governor thwarted by FBI

(Reuters) - The FBI said on Thursday it thwarted a plot to overthrow the Michigan state government and kidnap its governor, Gretchen Whitmer, and had probable cause to charge six men with a failed operation that involved reaching out to a militia group.


The operation will be announced at a press conference of law enforcement officials at 1 p.m. in Grand Rapids, which will be attended by Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel and the state’s leading federal prosecutors.


The FBI first got wind that a group of individuals “were discussing the violent overthrow of certain government and law-enforcement components” in early 2020, according to an affidavit by special agent Richard Trask released by the FBI on Thursday.


The alleged plot included reaching out to a militia group, which was not named in the affidavit.


Trask said there was probable cause to charge six men - Adam Fox, Barry Croft, Ty Garbin, Kaleb Franks, Daniel Harris and Brandon Caserta - with conspiring to kidnap Whitmer, a Democrat and frequent critic of Republican President Donald Trump.


In September, Fox posted in an encrypted chat that he did not want a final training exercise to be held in the last week of October because it would not leave enough time to execute the kidnapping before the national election on Nov. 3, Trask said.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-michigan-whitmer/fbi-thwarts-plot-to-kidnap-michigan-governor-affidavit-idUSKBN26T2ZF?il=0
“The group agreed to use the time until the final training exercise to raise money for explosives and other supplies,” Trask wrote in the affidavit.

Amazing that these are the types the President has standing by. Wonder how many other militias the GOP is supporting

[Seran]

So are Democrats going to finally call out the terrorists in BLM and Antifa? Or are they just going to clutch their pearls about this and continue to ignore the terrorists burning down cities because those terrorists leftwing? We all know it's the latter.

Typical Right Wing Conservashit/QAnon talking points. Breaking news of right wing militants arrested for planning sedition and the overthrow of a legitimate state government and they start screaming propaganda to distract from the violence propagated by their armed militants

[Tgo01]

Typical Right Wing Conservashit/QAnon talking points. Breaking news of right wing militants arrested for planning sedition and the overthrow of a legitimate state government and they start screaming propaganda to distract from the violence propagated by their armed militants


So are Democrats going to finally call out the terrorists in BLM and Antifa? Or are they just going to clutch their pearls about this and continue to ignore the terrorists burning down cities because those terrorists leftwing? We all know it's the latter.

Once again I called it in the very first reply to this thread.

Months and months and months of left wing terrorists destroying cities and terrorizing citizens, Democrats are quiet.

A right wing plot is foiled before it goes anywhere and this is suddenly the top news story. And believe me it will be in the news probably up until election day with each and every single Republican being forced to comment on it and denounce these people, meanwhile BLM and Antifa terrorists will continue to destroy cities without a single peep from the media or Democrats.

You all are fucking sheep. Predictable sheep at that.

[Seran]

Here we go with typical Dreaven deflection. As if anyone cares at this point how you equate logical outrage against murder, kidnap and sedition with being a Lefty. I think there's something seriously wrong with you, you might want to seek professional help.

[beldannon5]

Amazing that these are the types the President has standing by. Wonder how many other militias the GOP is supporting

These are the types the President has standing by? He said something to one group which isn't even a white supremacist group. How many times has he condemned the kkk and people like that 10-15-100 times? Proud Boys if you read up on them and also hear from some of their non white members is about the country not about race. However you will believe what you want.
Oh honey you need to learn better

[Tgo01]

Here we go with typical Dreaven deflection. As if anyone cares at this point how you equate logical outrage against murder, kidnap and sedition with being a Lefty. I think there's something seriously wrong with you, you might want to seek professional help.


https://youtu.be/lA5UqUyFmT0

[Parkbandit]

These are the types the President has standing by? He said something to one group which isn't even a white supremacist group. How many times has he condemned the kkk and people like that 10-15-100 times? Proud Boys if you read up on them and also hear from some of their non white members is about the country not about race. However you will believe what you want.
Oh honey you need to learn better

Has Trump renounced white supremacy in the past hour? If not, he's clearly never done it.

Meanwhile, here's good ol' Joe Biden, saying goodbye to his friend, mentor and Grand Wizard of the KKK:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqO_LiKjJjk&ab_channel=JosephHewes

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1314267058339819520?s=20

Oh hey look, one of the terrorists is an admitted anarchist who believes voting for or supporting any politician is supporting slavery. Also they wanted to target police officers in their homes too.

Hmm...saying the US government supports slavery and wanting to murder cops in their homes. What group does that sound like....I wonder....

But of course these pesky facts won't be reported on heavily. And why? Because the left are a bunch of predictable sheep. Just look at Keller and Seran.

[Parkbandit]

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1314267058339819520?s=20

Oh hey look, one of the terrorists is an admitted anarchist who believes voting for or supporting any politician is supporting slavery. Also they wanted to target police officers in their homes too.

Hmm...saying the US government supports slavery and wanting to murder cops in their homes. What group does that sound like....I wonder....

But of course these pesky facts won't be reported on heavily. And why? Because the left are a bunch of predictable sheep. Just look at Keller and Seran.

Seran isn't a creepy fuck though (that we know of)

Keller is literally a bigger scumbag than Androidpk... because Androidpk only doxxed someone to get them fired, slept with a married woman and tried to end the marriage, mooched and stole shit from friends and complained of roommates loud self gratification.

[drauz]

Yeah, not a good thing all over, and Governor Blackface in VA ranks among the scary ones.

The PA one is particularly scary because of the precedent it could set.

I really like this youtube channel, he breaks down law decisions really well imho. Would recommend checking him out. This one is about the PA stay decision, assuming I linked the right video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CujsT3v9mpM

[Geijon]

Once again I called it in the very first reply to this thread.

Months and months and months of left wing terrorists destroying cities and terrorizing citizens, Democrats are quiet.

A right wing plot is foiled before it goes anywhere and this is suddenly the top news story. And believe me it will be in the news probably up until election day with each and every single Republican being forced to comment on it and denounce these people, meanwhile BLM and Antifa terrorists will continue to destroy cities without a single peep from the media or Democrats.

You all are fucking sheep. Predictable sheep at that.

Post these arsonist, BLM, Antifa extemists names. I even started it up for you with 2020 Extremists (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?126576-2020-Extremists).

[Wrathbringer]

One of the best governors in the U.S. Love our Gretchen!

Lol@ the courts striking down all her fascist covid bullshit restrictions as unconstitutional :lol:

[Ashlander]

Why are you having a tough time finding any of these Antifa, BLM, baby-killers Tgo01 and Rocktard expouse all over? I looked actually. The thread isn't meant to be bias. Its just charged, felony level extremists.

There is a ton of car ones, but yeah.....right-wingers so pretty boring. Even Islam isn't doing much. 7 incidents in 2019.

Gee it couldn't be because police were told not to arrest them or anything....

[Geijon]

We're talking about felony level murder. Cops are still somehow finding time to catch the alt-right murderers though? Interesting memo.

[Seran]

Gee it couldn't be because police were told not to arrest them or anything....

The whole QAnon conspiracy nonsense is just garbage. How about you provide some proof. Non existent arrest for imaginary crimes shouldn't be your only goto smokescreen to hide the dangers of the militant Right

[Parkbandit]

The whole QAnon conspiracy nonsense is just garbage. How about you provide some proof. Non existent arrest for imaginary crimes shouldn't be your only goto smokescreen to hide the dangers of the militant Right

YEA! Those buildings just spontaneously combusted!

Those windows broke themselves!

[Seran]

YEA! Those buildings just spontaneously combusted!

Those windows broke themselves!

Don't deny that arson and vandalism happened, I'm challenging all you tinfoil hat types to provide proof individuals had legitimate affiliation with leftist extremist groups.

And no, Planned Parenthood isn't one of them

[drauz]

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[Seran]

https://cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/gray/FWLHOJSB2ZJQJBSWMSHHYVKAME.jpg

Co-conspirator

[Tgo01]

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Dude literally calling for his political opponents to be lined up against a wall and shot.
drauz: So?

Trump says to liberate Michigan, 6 months later a group of people who hate the government, think all politicians participate in keeping people enslaved, and think Trump is tyrant, is arrested for a plot to kidnap a politician.
drauz: Possible connection?

[Candor]

Don't deny that arson and vandalism happened, I'm challenging all you tinfoil hat types to provide proof individuals had legitimate affiliation with leftist extremist groups.

And no, Planned Parenthood isn't one of them

Let me get this straight. You need additional proof that Antifa is involved...at all? Seriously?

You must live on a different planet than I do.

[Tgo01]

I have once again allowed the media to outright lie to me. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, I can't be fooled again.

Here is what one of the people arrested had to say about Trump: (https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/09/white-supremacist-suspect-in-michigan-kidnapping-plot-is-actually-a-trump-hating-anarchist/)

"You know Trump is not your friend, dude. And it amazes me that people actually, like, believe that. When he’s shown over and over and over again that he’s a tyrant. Every single person that works for government is your enemy, dude."

Oh yeah, these people are totally pro-Trump, right-wing, terrorists who took their marching orders directly from Trump.

The funny part is that the usual suspects (Keller, Seran, the rest of the far left crew), will read this, maybe even watch the video to hear the guy say this directly from his own mouth, and will either flat out refuse to believe or say it doesn't prove anything, because they are so convinced that their narrative is right. They have convinced themselves that the media only wants to inform them.

Then they will eagerly sit by their computer constantly refreshing CNN's homepage to see what next bullshit the media tries to shove down their throat.

Can't believe it has taken me this long to do this but I'm waiting at least 24 hours after a "news" story drops to see what the real facts are before I trust a single word the media says.

[drauz]

Dude literally calling for his political opponents to be lined up against a wall and shot.
drauz: So?

Trump says to liberate Michigan, 6 months later a group of people who hate the government, think all politicians participate in keeping people enslaved, and think Trump is tyrant, is arrested for a plot to kidnap a politician.
drauz: Possible connection?

Are you saying that guy has the same amount of power as the President of the United States?

https://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/NOV19-We-Are-Laughing-Eyman.gif

[Tgo01]

Are you saying that guy has the same amount of power as the President of the United States?

I'm saying you're dumb for blaming Trump for a bunch of anti-government goons who think Trump is a tyrant for plotting to kidnap a governor because he tweeted something in which he was very clearly referring to ending the lockdowns.

I'm also saying your outrage is very selective when it comes to this shit. You really need to stop giving Seran hope that he isn't crazy in this world. It's cruel to treat the mentally challenged like this.

[drauz]

I'm saying you're dumb for blaming Trump for a bunch of anti-government goons who think Trump is a tyrant for plotting to kidnap a governor because he tweeted something in which he was very clearly referring to ending the lockdowns.

I'm also saying your outrage is very selective when it comes to this shit. You really need to stop giving Seran hope that he isn't crazy in this world. It's cruel to treat the mentally challenged like this.

I know what he's talking about, you know what he's talking about but what about the crazy people? You seem to forget that crazy people don't think like me and you.

I think its fairly logical to have a tweet by the sitting President to "Liberate Michigan" and then six months later a group gets arrested for trying to overthrow the Michigan gov't and jump to the conclusion that they might have been following Trump's idea. This sounded exactly like those right wing militia groups.

It seems like there is significant evidence at least one of them was Anti-Trump, so I'll assume for now they all were. Like YOU said, they fooled us all. Including you.

[Tgo01]

Like YOU said, they fooled us all. Including you.

They didn't fool us, the media as per usual did. It's not like the militia members were posing with Trump flags as some sort of false flag operation, they were very open about being anarchists who think the government is engaging in mass slavery.

It's the media who spun the shit out of this story.

[Alfster]

They didn't fool us, the media as per usual did. It's not like the militia members were posing with Trump flags as some sort of false flag operation, they were very open about being anarchists who think the government is engaging in mass slavery.

It's the media who spun the shit out of this story.

Lol

[Parkbandit]

I know what he's talking about, you know what he's talking about but what about the crazy people? You seem to forget that crazy people don't think like me and you.

I think its fairly logical to have a tweet by the sitting President to "Liberate Michigan" and then six months later a group gets arrested for trying to overthrow the Michigan gov't and jump to the conclusion that they might have been following Trump's idea. This sounded exactly like those right wing militia groups.

It seems like there is significant evidence at least one of them was Anti-Trump, so I'll assume for now they all were. Like YOU said, they fooled us all. Including you.

So, in your head.. at least 1 disliked Trump so much, that he hatched a plan to kidnap the crazy bitch Governor there and take her hostage... because Trump made a tweet "Liberate Michigan"?

https://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/NOV19-We-Are-Laughing-Eyman.gif

[drauz]

So, in your head.. at least 1 disliked Trump so much, that he hatched a plan to kidnap the crazy bitch Governor there and take her hostage... because Trump made a tweet "Liberate Michigan"?

https://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/NOV19-We-Are-Laughing-Eyman.gif

What? No... The fact that hes anti-trump was just brought to light. I'm sure if you re-read it you'll get it... maybe.

[Tgo01]

The funny part is that the usual suspects (Keller, Seran, the rest of the far left crew), will read this, maybe even watch the video to hear the guy say this directly from his own mouth, and will either flat out refuse to believe or say it doesn't prove anything, because they are so convinced that their narrative is right. They have convinced themselves that the media only wants to inform them.

Then they will eagerly sit by their computer constantly refreshing CNN's homepage to see what next bullshit the media tries to shove down their throat.


Lol

See what I mean?

[Keller]

The whole QAnon conspiracy nonsense is just garbage. How about you provide some proof. Non existent arrest for imaginary crimes shouldn't be your only goto smokescreen to hide the dangers of the militant Right

Motion to rename QAnon "trailer park scientology."

Can I get a second?

[~Rocktar~]

Motion to rename QAnon "trailer park scientology."

Can I get a second?

Whatever Pedo Hypocrite.

[Alfster]

See what I mean?

I was specifically laughing at you blaming the media for your lack of research. Nothing is your fault. It's always someone else's fault. Zero person responsibility.

Always a victim.

[Tgo01]

I was specifically laughing at you blaming the media for your lack of research.

I mean...isn't that supposed to be the whole point of the news? To do the research for us and keep us informed? I shouldn't have to go to Twitter to become more informed than I am by reading the news.

You are right that it's my bad that it took me this long to learn my lesson given how the media has been pumping out mostly fake news for the past 10 years or so (especially in the last 5 years), but let's not pretend the media hasn't abdicated their responsibilities because they have a worse case of TDS than you.

[Keller]

The OP of this thread appropriately withheld judgment in conveying this news story.

Maybe Tgo should take a queue on how to behave from the OP.

[Tgo01]

The OP of this thread appropriately withheld judgment in conveying this news story.

Oh please.

[Keller]

Oh please.

OP even pointed out that it humored him how you assumed the political leanings of the perpetrators.

[Archigeek]

https://local.theonion.com/man-with-20-rifles-can-t-remember-if-his-goal-to-start-1826236224

It's so confusing...

[Parkbandit]

The OP of this thread appropriately withheld judgment in conveying this news story.

Maybe Tgo should take a queue on how to behave from the OP.

I think he's asking you to creep on his social media pages, find his daughter and then keep that information for 15 years from now and look at it again.

[Seran]

Let me get this straight. You need additional proof that Antifa is involved...at all? Seriously?

You must live on a different planet than I do.

I need proof that those committing the crimes have Antifa affiliation, yes. It hasn't happened yet and for all your purported dismay, you're not professing any knowledge. Put up or shut up

[Seran]

Motion to rename QAnon "trailer park scientology."

Can I get a second?

Seconded. God hates trailer parks after all

[Tgo01]

So one of these men was an admitted anarchist who hated Trump and thought every politician was guilty of engaging in slavery, and now it turns out another one was a BLM supporter and was angry at "police violence" after the death of George Floyd.

https://twitter.com/mattzap/status/1314706380457115654?s=20


One was struggling financially & living in the basement of a vacuum shop. Another was an ex-marine who'd recently attended a Black Lives Matter protest & was concerned w/ police violence. What we know about those accused of the plot to kidnap Gov Whitmer:

So when do the usual suspects of the PC (Blazar, Seran, Keller, Alfster, etc) admit they were once again fooled by the media and vow to never fall for this fake new shit again?

"OMG! Right wingers plot to kidnap Governor Hitler! The media told me so!"

"Oh, wait, they were a bunch of anarchists who supported BLM and hated the police and every government official? That's impossible, there is no left wing violence!"

No wonder this story slipped out of the headlines rather fast. It was like a big deal for a few hours when the media was so certain these were a bunch of Trump supporting white supremacists, when they actually did their job and did some digging they had to quietly let this story fade from the headlines.

Keep waiting by your TV for your next marching orders, you bunch of sheep!

But I am going to agree with Keller for the first time ever: these people are indeed domestic terrorists. Left wing domestic terrorists at that!

[Tgo01]

Pretty amazing how fast this thread changed.

First it was the usual leftist suspects: "OMG! Right wing terrorism! This is all Trump's fault! There is no left wing violence!"

Then when it comes out that these terrorists actually had more in common with Antifa and supported BLM now suddenly the usual suspects are silent.

What's the matter, Seran/Keller/et al, you no longer consider these people to be terrorists? Now they're freedom fighters?

[Seran]

Pretty amazing how fast this thread changed.

First it was the usual leftist suspects: "OMG! Right wing terrorism! This is all Trump's fault! There is no left wing violence!"

Then when it comes out that these terrorists actually had more in common with Antifa and supported BLM now suddenly the usual suspects are silent.

What's the matter, Seran/Keller/et al, you no longer consider these people to be terrorists? Now they're freedom fighters?

No, they had nothing to do with Antifa. And as we've found out, BLM support is pretty big on both sides of the isle. Your right blind nonsense is really a buzz kill

[Seran]

I love how Dreaven can take innocuous things and blow them up into earth shattering events just so long as it suppers their diversity hating conservative agenda

[Tgo01]

No, they had nothing to do with Antifa. And as we've found out, BLM support is pretty big on both sides of the isle.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FaintDistantIchthyostega-size_restricted.gif

Anarchists who hate the police, wanted to kill police officers at their homes, think Trump is a tyrant, and equates government to slavery.
Seran: "Sounds like right-wingers to me!"

BLM supporters who were angry at police violence after George Floyd's death.
Seran: "This proves both sides support BLM!"

Seran has to be the most useful of idiots to have ever exited. In Soviet Russia they have pictures of Seran all over their textbooks when talking about useful idiots in the West.

[Seran]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FaintDistantIchthyostega-size_restricted.gif

Anarchists who hate the police, wanted to kill police officers at their homes, think Trump is a tyrant, and equates government to slavery.
Seran: "Sounds like right-wingers to me!"

BLM supporters who were angry at police violence after George Floyd's death.
Seran: "This proves both sides support BLM!"

Seran has to be the most useful of idiots to have ever exited. In Soviet Russia they have pictures of Seran all over their textbooks when talking about useful idiots in the West.

Gun loving, government abolishing white Supremacists associated with a right wing militia. Totally lefties.

[Tgo01]

Looks like the media is now straight up murdering Trump supporters. (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/breaking-denver-trump-supporter-shot-local-news-reporters-bodyguard/)

I guess lying about Republicans and putting their lives in danger by slandering them as racist Nazis wasn't enough, now they hire private bodyguards to shoot Trump supporters.

More left wing domestic terrorism that Keller/Seran/et al will ignore or claim to be right wing terrorism. What a bunch of basket cases.

[Keller]

Looks like the media is now straight up murdering Trump supporters. (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/breaking-denver-trump-supporter-shot-local-news-reporters-bodyguard/)

I guess lying about Republicans and putting their lives in danger by slandering them as racist Nazis wasn't enough, now they hire private bodyguards to shoot Trump supporters.

More left wing domestic terrorism that Keller/Seran/et al will ignore or claim to be right wing terrorism. What a bunch of basket cases.

Tgo posts a "developing" story out of Denver hours after the event occurred in the same thread he posted this:


I'm waiting at least 24 hours after a "news" story drops to see what the real facts are before I trust a single word the media says.

No one is surprised at his hypocritical intellectual dishonesty.

But I do find it funny as fuck.

[~Rocktar~]

Tgo posts a "developing" story out of Denver hours after the event occurred in the same thread he posted this:



No one is surprised at his hypocritical intellectual dishonesty.

But I do find it funny as fuck.

You should know about hypocrisy, Pedeo Hypocrite.

[Seran]

You should know about hypocrisy, Pedeo Hypocrite.

A well constructed argument, your mother must be proud

[Keller]

A well constructed argument, your mother must be proud

She is resting in peace not having to witness how embarrassing her son is.

[Tgo01]

Tgo posts a "developing" story out of Denver hours after the event occurred in the same thread he posted this:



No one is surprised at his hypocritical intellectual dishonesty.

But I do find it funny as fuck.

Developing my ass. The police have already arrested the shooter and are investigating this as a murder.

I know it sucks that you created this thread so certain it proved that right-wing terrorists were a real problem in the US, and less than a week later it turns out these were left-wing terrorists AND another left-wing terror group (the media) is also engaging in violence, but it’s gonna be okay. Just admit you were wrong, then apologize for being a creep, then maybe someday you may find salvation.

[Parkbandit]

And as we've found out, BLM support is pretty big on both sides of the isle.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ba/2c/67/ba2c67fcf810ea6aada3c967368440bd.gif

The only ones that support it are racists.. ie - Democrats.

BLM and the KKK are both Democrat groups and have similar goals.

[drauz]

So this was a bodyguard, am I missing something?

Are you thinking that the news organization hired him to kill this Trump supporter?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The dude supporting the police was stupid to bring mace to a gunfight.

[Gelston]

Looks like the media is now straight up murdering Trump supporters. (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/breaking-denver-trump-supporter-shot-local-news-reporters-bodyguard/)

I guess lying about Republicans and putting their lives in danger by slandering them as racist Nazis wasn't enough, now they hire private bodyguards to shoot Trump supporters.

More left wing domestic terrorism that Keller/Seran/et al will ignore or claim to be right wing terrorism. What a bunch of basket cases.

Nah, that dude deserved to get shot. Video of him interacting with other, he was a total dick. He was threatening to mace unarmed people. He finally maced someone that was armed. I'd have shot his ass too. If the dude had been a cop, he wouldn't even have been arrested.

[Gelston]

So this was a bodyguard, am I missing something?

Are you thinking that the news organization hired him to kill this Trump supporter?

He was a security officer hired by the news agency. From the Pinkerton agency. You know that famous one that was big in the all the old Westerns?

He isn't even charged yet, he is held on suspicion of 1st Degree. Charges haven't been filed yet.

[Tgo01]

So this was a bodyguard, am I missing something?

Are you thinking that the news organization hired him to kill this Trump supporter?

The news hired a trigger happy bodyguard to murder Trump supporters. I didn't see them murdering any left wing agitators.

[Tgo01]

Nah, that dude deserved to get shot. Video of him interacting with other, he was a total dick. He was threatening to mace unarmed people.

I don't think being a dick and threatening to mace people who are being aggressive towards you deserves a death sentence.

[Tgo01]

Any of you disagree that this isn't acceptable, you shouldn't attempt to kill/murder/kidnap a Governor of a State in the United States of America regardless of affiliation, bias or ideology other than we're each U.S Citizens? Who has an excuse for this plot? They got arrested. They are going to prison. Anybody think it was legit to plan?

The only people who seem to have had a change of heart are the leftists who were all on board with calling these people terrorists and blaming this on Trump when they thought the terrorists were Trump supporters, but the minute it came to light that these people hated Trump and at least one of them was a BLM supporter well gosh darn it, all of a sudden those people are quiet.

Except Seran of course because he's such a dumb ass he still believes these were right wingers despite all of the evidence to the contrary.

[Gelston]

I don't think being a dick and threatening to mace people who are being aggressive towards you deserves a death sentence.

It most certainly does, especially if you are macing someone that is armed that isn't being threatening to you. The armed security guard had no idea what his intentions were, he just knew he was trying to debilitate him. He could have been trying to take his weapon for all he knew. No, you mace someone with a pistol, you deserve to be shot. He was the aggressor.

I woulda shot the motherfucker too, I don't care what his political affiliation was.

[Tgo01]

Police so far haven't even been able to confirm that the news station hired the man as a private security guard, so far the news station is just saying they had hired him.

This sounds like a bunch of fuckery is afoot.

[Gelston]

Police so far haven't even been able to confirm that the news station hired the man as a private security guard, so far the news station is just saying they had hired him.

This sounds like a bunch of fuckery is afoot.

I mean, Pinkerton is one of the most respected and renowned security agencies to ever exist. They'll have paperwork.

[Tgo01]

I mean, Pinkerton is one of the most respected and renowned security agencies to ever exist. They'll have paperwork.

This should have been confirmed within hours then, yet it's been over 24 hours now. That's why I say it sounds like fuckery is afoot.

[Tgo01]

You had your chance and still missed it. They are terrorists you dumb fuck.

Left-wing terrorists yes.

[Tgo01]

Turns out the shooter wasn't licensed to be a security guard. (https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/10/11/matthew-dolloff-denver-security-guard/)


The Denver Department of Excise and Licenses tells CBS4’s Andrea Flores Dolloff was not licensed to be a security guard in the city.

“If he was operating as a security guard, he was in violation of the law,” said Eric Escudero, a department spokesman, stated. “Security guards are prohibited from carrying or using a firearm without getting an armed firearm endorsement for their license. All security guards in Denver are required to get a federal background check before they receive their license.”

So the only possibilities I see are the following:

The news station completely lied about hiring him as a security guard.
The news station did hire him but not through an actual service that does a background check and all of that good shit.
The news station did hire him through a legit private security service but the security service fucked up big time in their background checks and training and shit.

[Slider]

Pinkerton employs some highly trained mall cops <snicker> They used to be well respected, but every time I have had the misfortune to work with them, they have proven to be pretty much inept. About the best I can say about them is they have snazzy uniforms.

Case in point, when they took over security at the plant I worked at, the guy showed up wearing patent leather shoes, mind you we were first responders for fires, so yeah, plastic shoes bad. And on his 3rd (?) day, we had a welder set fire to the cinders in the railroad tracks (small fire, mostly burning off the oil on the cinders, but it was pretty spread out by the time we got there) but of course, the welder had 4 empty fire extinguishers on his cart, so we had to send this guy to get more, after we used the ones that was at the nearest fire station. He never came back. Turns out he got in his car and left thinking the plant was going to burn down. Every guy they sent us had only worked on-industrial accounts, and literally had no idea what the hell they where supposed to be doing there. After 3 months of this crap, we put the idiots on the gates to monitor foot traffic in and out of the plant.

Again, they look snazzy, but Pinkerton does a shit job of training them to do anything but stand there and look pretty.

[Tgo01]

Hmm...sure looks like the shooter was reaching for the victim's pepper spray before he shot him:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkCEhTcWoAAFug_?format=jpg&name=large

Then looks like the victim pepper sprayed the dude in self defense because the shooter clearly already had his gun out and had it aimed at the victim. That's just what it looks like from this series of pics though.

[Tgo01]

Turns out the shooter has made statements in the past about being confrontational with Trump supporters. (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/denver-local-news-bodyguard-killed-trump-supporter-bragged-harassing-confronting-conservatives-past/?utm_campaign=later-linkinbio-gatewaypundit&utm_content=later-10886043&utm_medium=social&utm_source=instagram)

And oh yeah, he has made comments before about how he hates the police. But oh right, according to Seran that's totally a right wing talking point these days.

Now maybe it's just me, but if you're going to hire an armed private bodyguard MAYBE you should make sure the terrorist-wannabe doesn't have a history of being a dick towards the group of people you want him to "protect" you from.

No way this news station just walks away from this shit now.

Imagine for one minute if a right leaning reporter hired someone who made comments about how much he hated leftists, Antifa, and BLM supporters and brought this armed person along to a rally where they knew leftists, Antifa, and BLM supporters would be then he ended up shooting a leftist/Antifa/BLM supporter? And oh yeah this dude isn't even licensed to be a security guard in the city they hired him in? This would be in the news 24/7, the reporter would have their name dragged through the mud. Instead everyone is just like "Yeah he was a hired security guard doing his job."

The media in this country is downright shameful.

[drauz]

Hmm...sure looks like the shooter was reaching for the victim's pepper spray before he shot him:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkCEhTcWoAAFug_?format=jpg&name=large

Then looks like the victim pepper sprayed the dude in self defense because the shooter clearly already had his gun out and had it aimed at the victim. That's just what it looks like from this series of pics though.

From that series of photos it looks like the man who got killed assaulted the guy by trying to knock his glasses off so he could better spray him in the eyes, then actually sprayed an armed man.

I like how you disregard that fact that the first photo clearly shows the guy getting assaulted.

[drauz]

Turns out the shooter has made statements in the past about being confrontational with Trump supporters. (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/denver-local-news-bodyguard-killed-trump-supporter-bragged-harassing-confronting-conservatives-past/?utm_campaign=later-linkinbio-gatewaypundit&utm_content=later-10886043&utm_medium=social&utm_source=instagram)

And oh yeah, he has made comments before about how he hates the police. But oh right, according to Seran that's totally a right wing talking point these days.

Now maybe it's just me, but if you're going to hire an armed private bodyguard MAYBE you should make sure the terrorist-wannabe doesn't have a history of being a dick towards the group of people you want him to "protect" you from.

No way this news station just walks away from this shit now.

Imagine for one minute if a right leaning reporter hired someone who made comments about how much he hated leftists, Antifa, and BLM supporters and brought this armed person along to a rally where they knew leftists, Antifa, and BLM supporters would be then he ended up shooting a leftist/Antifa/BLM supporter? And oh yeah this dude isn't even licensed to be a security guard in the city they hired him in? This would be in the news 24/7, the reporter would have their name dragged through the mud. Instead everyone is just like "Yeah he was a hired security guard doing his job."

The media in this country is downright shameful.

Was there more than the one tweet they posted?


“Ran into a Trump supporter with a Trump Button on their shirt. Told them i like their im a racist button. They had nothing to say,” Dolloff wrote, with the hashtag #F-ckTrump.

That doesn't sound bad, like at all.

[Tgo01]

From that series of photos it looks like the man who got killed assaulted the guy by trying to knock his glasses off so he could better spray him in the eyes, then actually sprayed an armed man.

I like how you disregard that fact that the first photo clearly shows the guy getting assaulted.

From their stances it looks like the victim is standing his ground while the terrorist is advancing towards him and is clearly reaching towards the man, most likely trying to take his pepper spray away.

It's pretty laughable to suggest he was trying to knock his glasses off, although he very clearly is slapping the guy, probably because he was trying to take away his pepper spray.

Look at the green lines, they show the same post. In the first pic the victim is in front of the post, in the second pic the victim has stepped back, in the third post the terrorist has advanced on the victim.

The terrorist sure as shit wasn't just minding his own business "guarding" some news reporter.

[Tgo01]

Was there more than the one tweet they posted?



That doesn't sound bad, like at all.

There are several on there.

I'm just saying it's probably not a good idea to hire an armed "security guard" for an event where the guy has made past comments showing he hates one group of people who will be at that event. This shit would never fly if this were a Republican who hired a Proud Boy member as private security for a BLM rally and they ended up shooting a BLM supporter, so why does this news station get a pass? Because they're the news? Fuck that.

[Taernath]

Pretty clear example of self defense. Don't bring mace to a gunfight, especially if you're a fat tub of shit with trashy tattoos.

[~Rocktar~]

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/121412061_2686355711613913_7635507712161512311_n.j pg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=sPqP8Hze-BgAX_TQt_v&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=5e617543fb8d25e94c055b5177d910d1&oe=5FA7E777

[drauz]

From their stances it looks like the victim is standing his ground while the terrorist is advancing towards him and is clearly reaching towards the man, most likely trying to take his pepper spray away.

It's pretty laughable to suggest he was trying to knock his glasses off, although he very clearly is slapping the guy, probably because he was trying to take away his pepper spray.

Look at the green lines, they show the same post. In the first pic the victim is in front of the post, in the second pic the victim has stepped back, in the third post the terrorist has advanced on the victim.

The terrorist sure as shit wasn't just minding his own business "guarding" some news reporter.

You do not want to be standing that close when you deploy that kind of mace, glasses or not he would have fucked himself up pretty good if he hadn't backed up.

If new video comes out showing the shooter did something else, I'll change my mind. I haven't been able to find video of what actually happened, just these photos. What we do know is that everything happened in a matter of seconds, maybe 10 or so from the time the altercation started to the guy getting shot in the head.

[drauz]

There are several on there.

I'm just saying it's probably not a good idea to hire an armed "security guard" for an event where the guy has made past comments showing he hates one group of people who will be at that event.

I don't think you know how security guards are hired.


This shit would never fly if this were a Republican who hired a Proud Boy member as private security for a BLM rally and they ended up shooting a BLM supporter, so why does this news station get a pass? Because they're the news? Fuck that.

Has that happened?

[drauz]

I don't think being a dick and threatening to mace people who are being aggressive towards you deserves a death sentence.

If their political leanings were switched, you would 100% say that "well he maced him first, it was justified". I would bet money on that.

[drauz]

There are several on there.

I'm just saying it's probably not a good idea to hire an armed "security guard" for an event where the guy has made past comments showing he hates one group of people who will be at that event. This shit would never fly if this were a Republican who hired a Proud Boy member as private security for a BLM rally and they ended up shooting a BLM supporter, so why does this news station get a pass? Because they're the news? Fuck that.

No, theres just the one in the article you provided. You know they would have put up more if they had it. If thats the worst they got... Thats a really tame post.

[Tgo01]

Pretty clear example of self defense. Don't bring mace to a gunfight, especially if you're a fat tub of shit with trashy tattoos.

So a 17 year old kid is attacked by multiple people and he's a murderer because he shot his assailants, but a guy supposedly attacks someone with mace and the shooter responds by shooting him in the face and the shooter in this case was acting in self defense?

So much for de-escalation. I guess now we go straight to shooting people in the face if we feel even the slightest bit threatened.

[Tgo01]

You do not want to be standing that close when you deploy that kind of mace, glasses or not he would have fucked himself up pretty good if he hadn't backed up.

So he knows enough about bear mace to know wearing glasses wouldn't do shit, yet he doesn't know enough about bear mace to think that knocking glasses off of someone else would make a difference when he deployed the mace?

Maybe...JUST MAYBE...the reason he backed up is because some asshole was advancing towards him and tried to take away his pepper spray?

[Tgo01]

I don't think you know how security guards are hired.

Apparently neither does this news station because according to the state this terrorist wasn't licensed to be a security guard.

[Tgo01]

If their political leanings were switched, you would 100% say that "well he maced him first, it was justified". I would bet money on that.

Good for you for thinking that. What else does your crystal ball tell you?

[Tgo01]

No, theres just the one in the article you provided. You know they would have put up more if they had it. If thats the worst they got... Thats a really tame post.

You asked if there was more than just the one tweet in the article, I correctly pointed out there were several in the article. I can't hold your hand this much. You gotta do SOME clicking around.

[drauz]

So he knows enough about bear mace to know wearing glasses wouldn't do shit, yet he doesn't know enough about bear mace to think that knocking glasses off of someone else would make a difference when he deployed the mace?

I said at that distance wearing glasses wouldn't make a difference.


Maybe...JUST MAYBE...the reason he backed up is because some asshole was advancing towards him and tried to take away his pepper spray?

What I see from the photos is someone getting assaulted, he pulls out a gun and gets assaulted again, then firing.

Do you have your crystal ball and know more about this?

[drauz]

Apparently neither does this news station because according to the state this terrorist wasn't licensed to be a security guard.

That's on the company they hired not the news station. It can be assumed that anyone hiring a bodyguard from a reputable company that that company has the legal paperwork necessary to do the job required. I imagine there is a strong civil case against the security company but I wouldn't hold the news station liable for it.

[drauz]

Good for you for thinking that. What else does your crystal ball tell you?

Ok Mr. THE MSM IS EXECUTING TRUMP SUPPORTERS!!!!!!!!!11111111one

[drauz]

You asked if there was more than just the one tweet in the article, I correctly pointed out there were several in the article. I can't hold your hand this much. You gotta do SOME clicking around.

Theres only the one from him.

[Tgo01]

Do you have your crystal ball and know more about this?

Yes. He's being held on suspicion of murder and police are investigating this as a murder. Nothing about this so far points towards "self defense." Nothing in the pictures, nothing in the police investigation, nothing in the videos. Nothing. There is literally nothing here to suggest this guy was just a poor victim who had to shot someone in the face.

Nothing. You're just saying that for...well I really don't know why.

Where even was this person he was supposedly hired to protect? Were they in any danger from this man? You're looking at a picture where the terrorist was clearly trying to get the guy's mace and using the fact that the victim bitch slapped him as proof that the victim deserved to die.

I really don't know what you're even doing anymore. It sure seems like you made up your mind from the very beginning and are refusing to budge.

So at this point I'm afraid I'm going to have to pull out this card:

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/68667265/youre-wrong-im-right-deal-with-it.jpg

[drauz]

You're looking at a picture where the terrorist was clearly trying to get the guy's mace and using the fact that the victim bitch slapped him as proof that the victim deserved to die.

It's not clear from that picture what the shooter is trying to do, he could have been trying to block the blow for all we know. What it does show is the shooter getting assaulted, then assaulted again, then shooting.


I really don't know what you're even doing anymore. It sure seems like you made up your mind from the very beginning and are refusing to budge.

LOL from the guy starting off with MSM IS KILLING TRUMP PROTESTORS!!!!!!!

I'm the biased one though....right...

[Tgo01]

Pinkerton has also claimed that no person by this terrorist's name has ever worked for them.

So just what shit is this news station peddling? Because something tells me Pinkerton isn't going to risk even more shit coming their way to try and cover up the fact that this person worked for them, something that I'm sure could easily be verified.

[Bhaalizmo]

I mean, Pinkerton is one of the most respected and renowned security agencies to ever exist. They'll have paperwork.

Surely this isn't the same Pinkerton security company that is famous for the homestead / Pinkerton massacre?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_strike

[Gelston]

Turns out the shooter wasn't licensed to be a security guard. (https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/10/11/matthew-dolloff-denver-security-guard/)



So the only possibilities I see are the following:

The news station completely lied about hiring him as a security guard.
The news station did hire him but not through an actual service that does a background check and all of that good shit.
The news station did hire him through a legit private security service but the security service fucked up big time in their background checks and training and shit.

Or he was new and was on a provisional license under the company he worked for.

[Taernath]

So a 17 year old kid is attacked by multiple people and he's a murderer because he shot his assailants, but a guy supposedly attacks someone with mace and the shooter responds by shooting him in the face and the shooter in this case was acting in self defense?

So much for de-escalation. I guess now we go straight to shooting people in the face if we feel even the slightest bit threatened.


The videos are right there. Shit fuck the videos, go by the arrest complaint you yourself linked to. Fuck put yourself in the position of this kid. You're being chased by someone larger than you, they throw something at you, they grab for your gun, are you really trying to sit here and tell me you would wrestle over control of your gun with a much larger man rather than shoot this person? Remember that is what an eye witness said happened (that he grabbed for his gun) who was standing just a few feet away and it's in the complaint.

We both know you would have shot that fucker just as this teen did, but you can't bring yourself to admit that because you hate Trump this much. I feel sorry for you. Maybe someday you'll find peace in this hate filled heart of yours.

lol

[Gelston]

So a 17 year old kid is attacked by multiple people and he's a murderer because he shot his assailants, but a guy supposedly attacks someone with mace and the shooter responds by shooting him in the face and the shooter in this case was acting in self defense?

So much for de-escalation. I guess now we go straight to shooting people in the face if we feel even the slightest bit threatened.

I think the kid was defending himself too.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The dude had 7 (possibly 8) rings on.

[~Rocktar~]

So, let's be clear here, some are asserting that the shooter, because he was attacked multiple times is justified in shooting his attacker instead of facing murder charges, right?

Good now do Kyle Rittenhouse.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

So, let's be clear here, some are asserting that the shooter, because he was attacked multiple times is justified in shooting his attacker instead of facing murder charges, right?

Good now do Kyle Rittenhouse.

I feel the same way, in both cases. Rittenhouse shouldn't be charged. This dude, probably shouldn't be either (based on what I've seen and know so far).

[Tgo01]

Pinkerton confirms the leftwing terrorist posing as a security guard did not work for them. (https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/security-guard-held-denver-shooting-wasnt-licensed-officials-say/73-648ca0f2-cc71-4fa7-b145-cbd710b87f5f)


Pinkerton, however, said it does not actually employ Dolloff – Pinkerton did not share the name of the company for which Dolloff worked.

Also city officials confirm the terrorist did not have a license to be a security guard:


According to Eric Escudero, marketing and communications manager for the city’s Department of Excise and Licenses, “there is no record” that Dolloff had a license required by the city to work as a security guard – and no evidence he’d had one in the past.

So a far leftist posing as a legit security guard gets into a verbal confrontation with the victim, reaches for his pepper spray, then pulls out his gun and aims it at the victim's head, the victim maces the terrorist, the terrorist shoots the victim in the head...and people are saying "self defense" for the terrorist?

Come on, people!

[Gelston]

Pinkerton confirms the leftwing terrorist posing as a security guard did not work for them. (https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/security-guard-held-denver-shooting-wasnt-licensed-officials-say/73-648ca0f2-cc71-4fa7-b145-cbd710b87f5f)



Also city officials confirm the terrorist did not have a license to be a security guard:



So a far leftist posing as a legit security guard gets into a verbal confrontation with the victim, reaches for his pepper spray, then pulls out his gun and aims it at the victim's head, the victim maces the terrorist, the terrorist shoots the victim in the head...and people are saying "self defense" for the terrorist?

Come on, people!

They said they contracted him though. He was working for them under contract.

Denver police even said " Further investigation has revealed that, at the time of the shooting, the suspect was acting in a professional capacity as an armed security guard for a local media outlet and.."

[Tgo01]

Denver police even said " Further investigation has revealed that, at the time of the shooting, the suspect was acting in a professional capacity as an armed security guard for a local media outlet and.."

I'm sure he was being paid to be a security guard, doesn't mean he was doing it legally, and it sure sounds like he was doing it illegally.

[drauz]

reaches for his pepper spray

You keep asserting this. Are you just guessing or do you have proof?

[Gelston]

I'm sure he was being paid to be a security guard, doesn't mean he was doing it legally, and it sure sounds like he was doing it illegally.

You whole stick is that he wasn't there as a security guard. The police said he was.

[Tgo01]

You whole stick is that he wasn't there as a security guard. The police said he was.

I said he was posing as a security guard. If someone puts on a police badge and uniform and is hired as an off-duty police officer I would say that person is posing as a police officer too.

[Gelston]

I said he was posing as a security guard. If someone puts on a police badge and uniform and is hired as an off-duty police officer I would say that person is posing as a police officer too.

But the Police themselves very clearly said he was hired and working as a security guard. That is not posing.

Whether he was licensed or not to do so is another matter. In Louisiana, you can work for months under a Provisional License provided by your employer. It may be taking them time to find that. His company was contracted by Pinkerton to provide security, they just haven't named which company yet. I am pretty damn sure they'll show that provisional license, if they follow the same rules as we do in Louisiana.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

As a lay person, does it matter if he was security or not? 7 Rings dude slapped him in the face, then pepper sprayed him and I'm sure there is a lot more. Are people not allowed to defend themselves from assault?

[Gelston]

As a lay person, does it matter if he was security or not? 7 Rings dude slapped him in the face, then pepper sprayed him and I'm sure there is a lot more. Are people not allowed to defend themselves from assault?

It is only laying out the reason for him being there. No, I think the shooting was fully justified.

[drauz]

As a lay person, does it matter if he was security or not? 7 Rings dude slapped him in the face, then pepper sprayed him and I'm sure there is a lot more. Are people not allowed to defend themselves from assault?

The timeline is really small. The guy was in the face of another guy then walked out of frame and very shortly after you hear the shot. This is the best video I've been able to find so far.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VLL_ZT0MQ0

[Gelston]

The timeline is really small. The guy was in the face of another guy then walked out of frame and very shortly after you hear the shot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VLL_ZT0MQ0

Yeah, the dude was looking for a fight. He found one and lost.

[Parkbandit]

I do like that shirt "Black Guns Matter"...

[Stolis]

I do like that shirt "Black Guns Matter"...

I noticed the same shirt and also appreciated it.

[Tgo01]

Businesses That Hired Unlicensed Security Guard Matthew Dolloff Could Face Criminal Charges In Deadly Shooting (https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/10/12/matthew-dolloff-deadly-protest-shooting-denver-city-attorneys-office/)


The Denver City Attorney’s Office released this statement to CBS4 on Monday afternoon, ““Licensed security guard employers that hire unlicensed security guards could face disciplinary actions against their licenses ranging from a fine, to suspension, to revocation. Businesses could also face criminal charges for permitting or directing an unlicensed person to perform security services. Regarding Matthew Dolloff, there could be civil or criminal actions taken, or both, against Mr. Dolloff, Pinkerton, 9News, and/or any other entity that hired and deployed Dolloff in an unlicensed security guard capacity.”

Good. Fuck everyone who was involved in hiring a terrorist to work as "security."

[drauz]

Businesses That Hired Unlicensed Security Guard Matthew Dolloff Could Face Criminal Charges In Deadly Shooting (https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/10/12/matthew-dolloff-deadly-protest-shooting-denver-city-attorneys-office/)



Good. Fuck everyone who was involved in hiring a terrorist to work as "security."

https://media2.giphy.com/media/21S35iv1C67ns2g458/giphy.gif

[Tgo01]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/21S35iv1C67ns2g458/giphy.gif

Your idea of personal responsibility is strange.

So a company shouldn't face legal repercussions if they hire a man to work security, who wasn't actually legally allowed to work as a security, and that man ends up murdering someone while working "security" for them?

Strange strange man indeed.

[drauz]

Your idea of personal responsibility is strange.

So a company shouldn't face legal repercussions if they hire a man to work security, who wasn't actually legally allowed to work as a security, and that man ends up murdering someone while working "security" for them?

Strange strange man indeed.

No they should, I just completely disagree that he's a terrorist and based on current evidence that he murdered anyone.

[Tgo01]

I just completely disagree that he's a terrorist and based on current evidence that he murdered anyone.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6e/30/69/6e30698e7d5084ac9720409ed1596922.jpg

[drauz]

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[Methais]

Amazing that these are the types the President has standing by. Wonder how many other militias the GOP is supporting

However many there may be, I can guarantee you that 100% of them will kick the shit out of democrat supported Antifa every single time, so there's that.

I hope the upcoming civil war will be available on stream.

[Gelston]

Businesses That Hired Unlicensed Security Guard Matthew Dolloff Could Face Criminal Charges In Deadly Shooting (https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/10/12/matthew-dolloff-deadly-protest-shooting-denver-city-attorneys-office/)



Good. Fuck everyone who was involved in hiring a terrorist to work as "security."

Is Kyle Rittenhouse a terrorist?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Is Kyle Rittenhouse a terrorist?

Kyle "Operator" Rittenhouse, hero of Kenosha, destroyer of 3 felons? That Kyle Rittenhouse?

If so, I don't think he's a terrorist.

[Parkbandit]

However many there may be, I can guarantee you that 100% of them will kick the shit out of democrat supported Antifa every single time, so there's that.

I hope the upcoming civil war will be available on stream.

Antifa members are literally the new Founding Fathers. They face the same risks and threats as the old Founding Fathers did back in the 1700's.

Show them the respect they deserve please.

[Gelston]

Kyle "Operator" Rittenhouse, hero of Kenosha, destroyer of 3 felons? That Kyle Rittenhouse?

If so, I don't think he's a terrorist.

I don't think he is either, and I don't think you can call one a terrorist without calling the other a terrorist.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I don't think he is either, and I don't think you can call one a terrorist without calling the other a terrorist.

Agreed.

[Parkbandit]

I don't think he is either, and I don't think you can call one a terrorist without calling the other a terrorist.

In that same thought.. you can't say one was defending himself and the other one should be charged.

Both are self defense imo.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

In that same thought.. you can't say one was defending himself and the other one should be charged.

Both are self defense imo.

Yup

[Gelston]

In that same thought.. you can't say one was defending himself and the other one should be charged.

Both are self defense imo.

I don't think either of them should be charged. At least not for the killings.

[Alfster]

One had a gun he was too young to openly carry, that's the only reason I think he deserves at least weapon charges.

[Seran]

Kyle "Operator" Rittenhouse, hero of Kenosha, destroyer of 3 felons? That Kyle Rittenhouse?

If so, I don't think he's a terrorist.

Three felons huh. Last time I checked, this kid wasn't Judge Dredd and those folks he killed are presumed innocent until convicted, much as our would be militant assassin is. If he did in fact defend himself from mortal danger and instead didn't just murder three folks in cold blood, he'll be found innocent

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Three felons huh. Last time I checked, this kid wasn't Judge Dredd and those folks he killed are presumed innocent until convicted, much as our would be militant assassin is. If he did in fact defend himself from mortal danger and instead didn't just murder three folks in cold blood, he'll be found innocent

All three I believe are convicted felons. Easily verified.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

And none of that matters anyway, he was defending himself. Also easily verified.

We should erect a statue of the hero of Kenosha. Probably a local holiday as well.

[Methais]

Seran isn't a creepy fuck though (that we know of)

Keller is literally a bigger scumbag than Androidpk... because Androidpk only doxxed someone to get them fired, slept with a married woman and tried to end the marriage, mooched and stole shit from friends and complained of roommates loud self gratification.

*SCHLUP SCHLUP*

[Seran]

And none of that matters anyway, he was defending himself. Also easily verified.

We should erect a statue of the hero of Kenosha. Probably a local holiday as well.

Maybe we should. But let's leave probable cause and adjudication to the courts. Otherwise the bunch of us are just a bunch of folks yelling "Rabble rabble rabble"

[Tgo01]

It's hilarious watching the Democrats stoop lower and lower with each passing day.

Kyle Rittenhouse is attacked, chased, and mobbed by several convicted criminals. Democrats: "OMG MURDER! They were just peaceful protesters making sure everyone knew that Black Lives Mattered!!!!"

A far left "security guard" who was working illegally as a security guard murders a Navy Vet in cold blood: "SELF DEFENSE! That fat ass piece of shit with the tacky tattoos deserved it!"

[Tgo01]

Denver police release official narrative of downtown shooting that left Lee John Keltner dead (https://denverite.com/2020/10/13/denver-police-release-official-narrative-of-downtown-shooting-that-left-lee-john-keltner-dead/)

I'm not sure if this is legit because this is the only place I have seen this police narrative so far, but it sure is interesting if true.


Dolloff joined the fray while Keltner was still arguing. At about 3:36 p.m., Keltner, with an aerosol can of pepper spray, “turns his attention” to Dolloff and “strikes Mr. Dolloff in the side of the head with an open hand,” the narrative states.

“Mr. Dolloff is then observed drawing a handgun from his waistband, aiming at Lee Keltner and shooting once, striking Mr. Keltner, as Mr. Keltner discharges his (oleoresin capsicum) spray,” the affidavit states. “Mr. Keltner collapsed to the ground.”

It sure sounds like the murderer draws his gun and pointed it at the victim's head after being slapped, NOT in response to being maced, the mace was deployed because the murderer pointed a gun at him.

Of course this narrative also ignores this photo where the murderer is clearly pushing the victim first:

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/10/11/us/11denvershooting/11denvershooting-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp

So the victim is arguing with a man, the murderer decides to involve himself in the verbal argument, pushes the victim, the victim slaps the murderer, then the murderer decides that one slap (which was an escalation to his already escalated action of a push) justified lethal force by shooting the victim in the head.

If you're such a shitty security guard that your first instinct is to draw your firearm and point it at someone's head because they slapped you after you pushed them then you should be in prison for that alone. You don't get to pretend to be a security guard and use that as an excuse to insert yourself into a situation and escalate things until you feel justified to use a gun. That's just straight up murder.

Y'all wrong on this. The videos and photos are right there.

[Methais]

Antifa members are literally the new Founding Fathers. They face the same risks and threats as the old Founding Fathers did back in the 1700's.

Show them the respect they deserve please.

You're right. My bad...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgZY6h-Z8-4

[drauz]

Denver police release official narrative of downtown shooting that left Lee John Keltner dead (https://denverite.com/2020/10/13/denver-police-release-official-narrative-of-downtown-shooting-that-left-lee-john-keltner-dead/)

I'm not sure if this is legit because this is the only place I have seen this police narrative so far, but it sure is interesting if true.



It sure sounds like the murderer draws his gun and pointed it at the victim's head after being slapped, NOT in response to being maced, the mace was deployed because the murderer pointed a gun at him.

Of course this narrative also ignores this photo where the murderer is clearly pushing the victim first:

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/10/11/us/11denvershooting/11denvershooting-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp

So the victim is arguing with a man, the murderer decides to involve himself in the verbal argument, pushes the victim, the victim slaps the murderer, then the murderer decides that one slap (which was an escalation to his already escalated action of a push) justified lethal force by shooting the victim in the head.

If you're such a shitty security guard that your first instinct is to draw your firearm and point it at someone's head because they slapped you after you pushed them then you should be in prison for that alone. You don't get to pretend to be a security guard and use that as an excuse to insert yourself into a situation and escalate things until you feel justified to use a gun. That's just straight up murder.

Y'all wrong on this. The videos and photos are right there.

That photo looks like Keltner is being aggressive and trying to get thru him but Dolloff has his hands up to keep him from barrelling over him.

At least we solved the mystery if he was grabbing for Keltner's mace.

[Taernath]

Breaking: Slapping Armed Men Very Legal, Very Cool, Tgo Reports

[Tgo01]

That photo looks like Keltner is being aggressive and trying to get thru him but Dolloff has his hands up to keep him from barrelling over him.

The guy was arguing with a deranged lunatic who got in his face and kept shouting at people to attack him or pepper spray him and the victim never once did, so this "security guard" had no reason to believe he had to push the victim away to protect anyone. And even if the "security guard" felt he had to push the victim away, his first reaction to being slapped after pushing someone should NOT be "Oh I'll just draw my gun and point it at his face!"

This is like the worst security guard in the world. No wonder he wasn't licensed and was just pretending to be a security guard. He's a murderer. Again the photos and videos and police statements are all right there.

[Tgo01]

Breaking: Slapping Armed Men Very Legal, Very Cool, Tgo Reports

I didn't say it was legal, I said it was an escalation to the murderer pushing the victim.

Nice straw man though. Don't you have more names to call this murdered Navy vet because he dared to have a different political position than you?

Also note the victim was carrying a firearm too and yet he never drew it. Why y'all giving the murderer the benefit of the doubt of "self defense" when the victim could have just as easily shot the terrorist after he pushed him? I mean since minor physical altercations are apparently all one needs to declare self defense?

Breaking: Pushing armed men very legal, very cool, Taernath reports.

[drauz]

The guy was arguing with a deranged lunatic who got in his face and kept shouting at people to attack him or pepper spray him and the victim never once did

You're conflating two separate people. The person yelling is not the same person standing behind Dolloff. Had another Trump supporter not gotten inbetween Keltner and the guy yelling, Keltner likely would have assaulted the yelling guy as well.

You keep trying to assert this push, the photo seems more like hes bracing to keep the guy from barreling over him. It's pretty evident since hes basically in the same position when hes slapped moments later.

[Taernath]

I didn't say it was legal, I said it was an escalation to the murderer pushing the victim.

Nice straw man though. Don't you have more names to call this murdered Navy vet because he dared to have a different political position than you?

Also note the victim was carrying a firearm too and yet he never drew it. Why y'all giving the murderer the benefit of the doubt of "self defense" when the victim could have just as easily shot the terrorist after he pushed him? I mean since minor physical altercations are apparently all one needs to declare self defense?

Breaking: Pushing armed men very legal, very cool, Taernath reports.

drauz literally posted a video earlier in the thread that debunks your tHe tUrRoRiSt aTtAcKeD hIm narrative. Guy was arguing with another person, gets separated by someone else, then splits off and heads straight for the guard, seconds later being shot.

Also fuck off with your SUPPORT THE TROOPS bullshit, I'm a veteran myself, I call them like I see them.

[Tgo01]

You're conflating two separate people.

I'm not conflating anyone. I just correctly pointed out that the murderer decided to involve himself in a situation where a deranged lunatic was getting in the victim's face and shouting at him to attack him or pepper sprayed him yet the victim never did, so why did the murderer feel the need to push the victim away from anyone? Clearly the guy wasn't looking to get into a physical fight, yet the left wing murderer decided to push him then escalate things by shooting him in the face.

If only the victim had known it was totally self defense to shoot a guy in the face over a minor altercation then the Navy vet would be alive and the piece of shit far leftist masquerading as a security guard would be dead.

But no, the Navy vet knew that's not what self defense was so he deployed pepper spray against someone who aimed a gun at his head.


the photo seems more like hes bracing to keep the guy from barreling over him

Oh please. The poor fake security guard! He's just a victim in every which way! He's not pushing the victim he murdered seconds later, he's just bracing himself from the mean Navy vet trying to barrel over him!

[Tgo01]

drauz literally posted a video earlier in the thread that debunks your tHe tUrRoRiSt aTtAcKeD hIm narrative. Guy was arguing with another person, gets separated by someone else, then splits off and heads straight for the guard, seconds later being shot.

And yet the photos and police paint a completely different narrative. Weird that.


Also fuck off with your SUPPORT THE TROOPS bullshit, I'm a veteran myself, I call them like I see them.

Naww, just funny how you straight up defended convicted criminals attacking a 17 year old teenager but you'll call a Navy vet all sorts of names and say he deserved to be murdered because you don't like his politics. Spare me the bullshit that you actually think this was a case of self defense and this isn't just 100% your partisan politics at play. You just couldn't wait to call the victim a fat guy with bad tattoos, like that alone makes him a bad person.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm not conflating anyone. I just correctly pointed out that the murderer decided to involve himself in a situation where a deranged lunatic was getting in the victim's face and shouting at him to attack him or pepper sprayed him yet the victim never did, so why did the murderer feel the need to push the victim away from anyone? Clearly the guy wasn't looking to get into a physical fight, yet the left wing murderer decided to push him then escalate things by shooting him in the face.

If only the victim had known it was totally self defense to shoot a guy in the face over a minor altercation then the Navy vet would be alive and the piece of shit far leftist masquerading as a security guard would be dead.

But no, the Navy vet knew that's not what self defense was so he deployed pepper spray against someone who aimed a gun at his head.



Oh please. The poor fake security guard! He's just a victim in every which way! He's not pushing the victim he murdered seconds later, he's just bracing himself from the mean Navy vet trying to barrel over him!

Now do the gymnastics on Rittenhouse.

[Tgo01]

Now do the gymnastics on Rittenhouse.

Sure.

Kyle Rittenhouse was being chased by a convicted criminal who was throwing shit at him during a riot. While Kyle Rittenhouse was trying to get the convicted criminal to stop chasing him someone else fired a gun, the criminal continued to chase Rittenhouse and attacked him so Rittenhouse defended himself.

As Rittenhouse ran down the street to turn himself in a group of at least a dozen people chased after him. One person pushed him to the ground, someone then tried to stomp on him while he was on the ground so he shot at that person, another convicted criminal hit him in the head with a skateboard so he shot that person, another criminal pretended to surrender then pulled out a pistol and tried to shoot Rittenhouse so he shot that criminal too. The last criminal there later went on to say he is disappointed that he didn't get to murder the 17 year old teenager.

I don't know why anyone thinks these two situations are remotely comparable.

The Navy vet was murdered in broad daylight as two groups of protesters were arguing with one another. There was no riot going on. No convicted criminals were chasing after anyone. The murderer shoved the victim, the victim slapped the murderer, so the murderer shot the man in the face. How is that "self defense" anything even close to Rittenhouse's very obvious claim to self defense?

It seems people are just in a rush to compare the two and say both are examples of self defense because they think it makes them look more neutral. No. One is a clear cut example of self defense, the other is a clear cut example of murder.

Now if the Navy vet had drawn his firearm THEN I would say the far left "security guard" has a valid claim to self defense. But really? The "security guard" gets slapped after pushing the victim so therefore he's totally justified to shoot the Navy vet in the face?

[drauz]

I'm not conflating anyone. I just correctly pointed out that the murderer decided to involve himself in a situation where a deranged lunatic was getting in the victim's face and shouting at him to attack him or pepper sprayed him yet the victim never did, so why did the murderer feel the need to push the victim away from anyone? Clearly the guy wasn't looking to get into a physical fight, yet the left wing murderer decided to push him then escalate things by shooting him in the face.

If only the victim had known it was totally self defense to shoot a guy in the face over a minor altercation then the Navy vet would be alive and the piece of shit far leftist masquerading as a security guard would be dead.

But no, the Navy vet knew that's not what self defense was so he deployed pepper spray against someone who aimed a gun at his head.



Oh please. The poor fake security guard! He's just a victim in every which way! He's not pushing the victim he murdered seconds later, he's just bracing himself from the mean Navy vet trying to barrel over him!

Ok lets do the photos all together now

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/10/11/us/11denvershooting/11denvershooting-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkCEhTcWoAAFug_?format=jpg&name=large

Notice how Dolloff's hands don't continue forward, yeah...thats not how pushing works.

You seem to conveniently forget that Keltner went over to Dolloff not the other way around.

[Neveragain]

Ok lets do the photos all together now

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/10/11/us/11denvershooting/11denvershooting-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkCEhTcWoAAFug_?format=jpg&name=large

Notice how Dolloff's hands don't continue forward, yeah...thats not how pushing works.

You seem to conveniently forget that Keltner went over to Dolloff not the other way around.

Confirmed, pepper spray does not stop bullets.

[Tgo01]

Notice how Dolloff's hands don't continue forward, yeah...thats not how pushing works.

You seem to conveniently forget that Keltner went over to Dolloff not the other way around.

You're really choosing a weird hill to die on.

Fine, let's have it your way and no pushing was involved. The murderer clearly has his hands on the victim. Victim slaps murderer. Murderer thinks a slap is justification to shoot someone in the face. This is of course after he escalated the situation from verbal confrontation to physical confrontation.

[Seran]

You're really choosing a weird hill to die on.

Fine, let's have it your way and no pushing was involved. The murderer clearly has his hands on the victim. Victim slaps murderer. Murderer thinks a slap is justification to shoot someone in the face. This is of course after he escalated the situation from verbal confrontation to physical confrontation.

Physical assault and then a follow up with a dose of mace. Grand jury is going to see the assault, followed by the confrontation then the second assault with mace and likely tell the security guard to enjoy his freedom

[Tgo01]

Physical assault and then a follow up with a dose of mace

Naww, from the police account (and the pictures), sure looks like the murderer drew his weapon and aimed it before mace was deployed.

[drauz]

Confirmed, pepper spray does not stop bullets.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/6ec7db4c210d17a5b800d2c4d481eec6/tumblr_inline_p7yxvkHW6s1rbgili_540.gif

[drauz]

You're really choosing a weird hill to die on.

Fine, let's have it your way and no pushing was involved. The murderer clearly has his hands on the victim. Victim slaps murderer. Murderer thinks a slap is justification to shoot someone in the face. This is of course after he escalated the situation from verbal confrontation to physical confrontation.

And you keep adding shit that isn't supported by what little evidence we have.

The "victim" walked up to his assailant, after threatening to mace another person, slapped him, maced him, and got shot by him.

Anything else is just your wishful thinking.

[drauz]

Naww, from the police account (and the pictures), sure looks like the murderer drew his weapon and aimed it before mace was deployed.

Maybe just maybe cause he had just been assaulted and wanted to deter the person from assaulting him again. I know it sounds crazy, right?

[Tgo01]

Maybe just maybe cause he had just been assaulted and wanted to deter the person from assaulting him again. I know it sounds crazy, right?

Yes. You don't fucking pull a gun on someone and point it at their face to deter them because you were slapped. That's like gun ownership 101. Especially from a so called "security guard."

[drauz]

Yes. You don't fucking pull a gun on someone and point it at their face to deter them because you were slapped. That's like gun ownership 101. Especially from a so called "security guard."

The "victim" is a big guy, you make it seem like it was a love tap. Have you seen how hard a slap can be?

https://i.imgflip.com/2wm2zx.gif

And if the guy has a huge can of bear mace in his other hand? Should you wait until he swings again with a closed fist or get sprayed with the bear mace to unholster your weapon?

[Tgo01]

The "victim" is a big guy, you make it seem like it was a love tap. Have you seen how hard a slap can be?

https://i.imgflip.com/2wm2zx.gif

And if the guy has a huge can of bear mace in his other hand? Should you wait until he swings again with a closed fist or get sprayed with the bear mace to unholster your weapon?

Maybe this guy shouldn't be a security guard if his first instinct is to point a gun at someone's face because he was slapped after shoving a guy. Oh wait! This guy wasn't a security guard and should be locked up for life for murder.

[drauz]

Maybe this guy shouldn't be a security guard if his first instinct is to point a gun at someone's face because he was slapped after shoving a guy. Oh wait! This guy wasn't a security guard and should be locked up for life for murder.

And maybe that guy shouldn't go around assaulting armed people and threatening to mace people. Oh wait! He won't be doing that again.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yes. You don't fucking pull a gun on someone and point it at their face to deter them because you were slapped. That's like gun ownership 101. Especially from a so called "security guard."

I'm in the camp that's exactly why you have a gun.

[Tgo01]

I'm in the camp that's exactly why you have a gun.

Yes you have a gun to defend yourself, someone slapping you because you were shoving them isn't exactly a situation where you are defending yourself.

The victim was a good 10-15 feet away from the murderer judging by the photos. If the victim were on top of the murderer or was like still physically attacking him then I would say perhaps self defense.

I don't know, I just don't think you can get into a physical altercation with someone, shove them, then when you're slapped shoot them in the face from 10+ feet away and claim self defense.

[drauz]

https://coloradosun.com/2020/10/12/matthew-dolloff-self-defense-argument-denver-shooting/


Doug Richards, who said he is representing Dolloff’s family, said the man who was shot reached into his shirt which made Dolloff fear for his safety, leading him to shoot. He said images of the scene from The Denver Post, which first reported his comments, show that Dolloff put his body between the man and the reporter from KUSA-TV, also known as 9News, he was working to protect.

“He was doing what he was supposed to be doing there,” Richards said.

Police have said two guns and a Mace can were found at the crime scene but declined on Monday to release any more details about what happened, including who the guns belonged to, because they do not want to harm the ongoing investigation, department spokesperson Jay Casillas said. The document laying out the reasons for Dolloff’s arrest remains sealed.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/96db24a8f3930c663f490954436a3c09/tenor.gif?itemid=14273285

[Tgo01]

https://coloradosun.com/2020/10/12/matthew-dolloff-self-defense-argument-denver-shooting/



https://media1.tenor.com/images/96db24a8f3930c663f490954436a3c09/tenor.gif?itemid=14273285

So the fake security guard's lawyer admits he shot him for "reaching into his shirt" and NOT because he was maced first?

Ruh-roh indeed! There goes the narrative of like each and every single person on the PC who said the murderer was justified to shoot him in the face because the victim maced him first. So his defense attorney backs up my version of events in that he shot before/while pepper spray was being deployed, NOT after.

In other other words, one could argue that the victim deployed the pepper spray BECAUSE this murderer pulled a gun on him. So in other other other words the victim was indeed acting in self defense but I guess too bad for him because he chose to use a non-lethal form of self defense rather than pulling out his pistol and shooting the murderer in the face.

I'm not sure who here needs to hear this, but I'm sure it's a few people: a normal everyday citizen (especially a fake security guard) doesn't get to shoot someone in the face simply because he thought someone was reaching into his jacket for a gun.

Fry this fucker.

[drauz]

So the fake security guard's lawyer admits he shot him for "reaching into his shirt" and NOT because he was maced first?

Ruh-roh indeed! There goes the narrative of like each and every single person on the PC who said the murderer was justified to shoot him in the face because the victim maced him first. So his defense attorney backs up my version of events in that he shot before/while pepper spray was being deployed, NOT after.

In other other words, one could argue that the victim deployed the pepper spray BECAUSE this murderer pulled a gun on him. So in other other other words the victim was indeed acting in self defense but I guess too bad for him because he chose to use a non-lethal form of self defense rather than pulling out his pistol and shooting the murderer in the face.

I'm not sure who here needs to hear this, but I'm sure it's a few people: a normal everyday citizen (especially a fake security guard) doesn't get to shoot someone in the face simply because he thought someone was reaching into his jacket for a gun.

Fry this fucker.

We'll see who the second gun belonged to.

[Tgo01]

We'll see who the second gun belonged to.

It belonged to the victim, it's clearly visible in some of the photos (or at least something that resembles a gun.)

Is this really your new narrative? The victim simply had a gun and therefore self defense? So the victim could have shot the murderer in the face from the very beginning because he too was armed?

Boy how quickly the narrative goes from "He shot him in self defense because he was maced!" to "He shot him in self defense because he had a gun that he never pulled out!"

I'm beginning to think you're dead set on disagreeing with me no matter what the facts are simply because at first I half jokingly phrased this as the media hiring people to murder Trump supporters.

[Seran]

It belonged to the victim, it's clearly visible in some of the photos (or at least something that resembles a gun.)

Is this really your new narrative? The victim simply had a gun and therefore self defense? So the victim could have shot the murderer in the face from the very beginning because he too was armed?

Boy how quickly the narrative goes from "He shot him in self defense because he was maced!" to "He shot him in self defense because he had a gun that he never pulled out!"

I'm beginning to think you're dead set on disagreeing with me no matter what the facts are simply because at first I half jokingly phrased this as the media hiring people to murder Trump supporters.

The man was assaulted once, not twice. The defense attorney pointed out that rightly so the man was in fear for life his after being struck. Sucks to be such a right wing idiot, doesn't it?

[drauz]

It belonged to the victim, it's clearly visible in some of the photos (or at least something that resembles a gun.)

Is this really your new narrative? The victim simply had a gun and therefore self defense? So the victim could have shot the murderer in the face from the very beginning because he too was armed?

Boy how quickly the narrative goes from "He shot him in self defense because he was maced!" to "He shot him in self defense because he had a gun that he never pulled out!"

I'm beginning to think you're dead set on disagreeing with me no matter what the facts are simply because at first I half jokingly phrased this as the media hiring people to murder Trump supporters.

Yeah you half jokingly mentioned it a few times, sure buddy.

It's almost like new information comes out or something. I know, I know that sounds crazy.

I didn't know he was armed, but that makes this pretty clear cut in my mind now. Looking at the photos you can even see him hand reaching towards where the gun was located (it looks like a holster but who knows maybe he had one for his mace too).

https://i.imgur.com/CSAvfUU.png

https://i.imgur.com/Bisp4E6.png

[drauz]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/fae52dd2dbed04448c1fae539a3f9247/tenor.gif?itemid=5373022

[Tgo01]

The man was assaulted once, not twice. The defense attorney pointed out that rightly so the man was in fear for life his after being struck. Sucks to be such a right wing idiot, doesn't it?

There are so many things wrong with the defense lawyer's argument that if I didn't know any better I would say he was trying to get his client thrown in jail.

First of all you typically can't start a fight then shoot someone and claim self defense, you would need to show you were trying to run away or something and the person kept beating the shit out of you, which is a hard sell considering we can see in the picture that the victim was at least 10 feet away from the far left terrorist at the time of the shooting.

Second you would need a reasonable belief your life was danger, someone supposedly reaching in their jacket (which we can see clearly from the pictures and videos that isn't what was happening, not to mention how awkward that would have been considering the victim was carrying a can of mace in his hand already) isn't a reasonable fear simply because the victim slapped the murderer after the murderer had shoved the victim.

Now maybe if there is audio/video of the victim threatening to kill the guy then MAYBE he could sell to a jury that he felt his life was in danger when he supposedly (lying about) saw him reaching into his jacket.

But yeah. This lawyer just kind of destroyed all the defense arguments everyone was making up for the murderer. There really isn't anything left now with the defense lawyer's own statements that he only shot the Navy vet in the face because he thought he saw him reaching in his jacket when we see clear as day in the photos that he had mace in his hand and wasn't reaching for anything.

I never tire of always being right.

[Tgo01]

Yeah you half jokingly mentioned it a few times, sure buddy.

It's almost like new information comes out or something. I know, I know that sounds crazy.

I didn't know he was armed, but that makes this pretty clear cut in my mind now. Looking at the photos you can even see him hand reaching towards where the gun was located (it looks like a holster but who knows maybe he had one for his mace too).

https://i.imgur.com/CSAvfUU.png

https://i.imgur.com/Bisp4E6.png

From the picture I saw that looks like a gun it's on his other side, which would make sense because he's using pepper spray with his right hand meaning he's most likely right handed so the holster would be on his left side.

But really? Your mind is made up now? He was carrying a gun so automatically his life is forfeit? Could the Navy vet had shot the far left terrorist first and claimed self defense simply because he had a gun but never drew it?

[Keller]

I never tire of always being right.

As the saying goes, ignorance is bliss.

[Tgo01]

As the saying goes, ignorance is bliss.

Hey, Keller, did you hear the far left terrorists you created this thread for talked about kidnapping governor Blackface of Virginia too?

Oh yeah and now there are photos floating around of TWO of the terrorists attending BLM rallies?

Must suck to always be wrong like you.

[drauz]

From the picture I saw that looks like a gun it's on his other side, which would make sense because he's using pepper spray with his right hand meaning he's most likely right handed so the holster would be on his left side.

But really? Your mind is made up now? He was carrying a gun so automatically his life is forfeit? Could the Navy vet had shot the far left terrorist first and claimed self defense simply because he had a gun but never drew it?

Yes, given the current facts this new information of the guy being armed and photo showing him possibly reaching for it. Him assaulted the shooting then reaching for a gun would be a clear cut self defense for me. The shooter likely could see his gun and where it was located since his vest was flapping open.

But I am willing to change my mind given new information so we'll see what comes out. This doesn't seem like a productive discussion anymore so I'll wait till something new comes out and let you just push out more wild assertions.

[Tgo01]

Yes, given the current facts this new information of the guy being armed and photo showing him possibly reaching for it. Him assaulted the shooting then reaching for a gun would be a clear cut self defense for me.

So you think the victim was using his non-dominate hand to deploy pepper spray and was reaching for a gun with his dominant hand?

https://media.tenor.com/images/31cae59c4775f94629ee6b9db2a566dc/tenor.gif


I'll wait till something new comes out and let you just push out more wild assertions.

Wild assertions like the victim was going to be deploying pepper spray and shooting a gun at the same time like some sort of rogue trained in dual wielding?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

TGO, I don't get your argument style. Is it to just keep posting until people get tired of responding?

[Tgo01]

TGO, I don't get your argument style. Is it to just keep posting until people get tired of responding?

Why isn't the same said for drauz? I'm just responding to his ridiculous posts. In fact several times I have just flat out stopped responding to his posts because it was just more of the same until I saw new information pop up in which I started to talk about the new information.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Why isn't the same said for drauz? I'm just responding to his ridiculous posts. In fact several times I have just flat out stopped responding to his posts because it was just more of the same until I saw new information pop up in which I started to talk about the new information.

Just my opinion, take it as you will. I think you would get more thoughtful responses if it wasn't always an attack position. Like, I think the dude killed was killed via justifiable self defense. I'm not an asshole for thinking that, I'm not against the 2nd amendment or conservative politics. I don't wish Trump supporters dead (or Biden's). You go straight to personal and don't really discuss things.

Again, just my opinion. I'd say the same about Solkern's retarded posts. Seran sometimes has a good point. Keller is just trolling. PB trolls and also has good points. I troll a lot myself (see Kyle "operator" Rittenhouse posts for examples).

Not trying to be a dick.

[Neveragain]

Most likely in the split moments between slap and shot to the face, when reaching for the pepper spray, the gun wielder assumed he was reaching for a gun.

Manslaughter at best.....I would call it self defense. The face slap pretty much caused the situation to regress into cave man mode.

I'm all for 2nd amendment...blah, blah, you know the thing. That still doesn't change that I think most people that carry are fucking retards and are more likely to find themselves in this situation than any other.

[Tgo01]

I don't wish Trump supporters dead (or Biden's). You go straight to personal and don't really discuss things.

The only people I went to "personal attacks" with was Seran because he's Seran, and Taernath who defended convicted felons in the Kyle Rittenhouse case but said this Navy vet deserved to die in part because he's "a fat tub of shit with trashy tattoos."


Again, just my opinion. I'd say the same about Solkern's retarded posts. Seran sometimes has a good point. Keller is just trolling. PB trolls and also has good points. I troll a lot myself (see Kyle "operator" Rittenhouse posts for examples).

I make good points too.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I make good points too.

I agree.

[Tgo01]

Most likely in the split moments between slap and shot to the face, when reaching for the pepper spray, the gun wielder assumed he was reaching for a gun.

The victim always had the pepper spray in his hand, it's visibly in his hand in the photos and video when he was arguing with the other dude, which is why the other dude told him to mace him. Honestly that guy should be charged with a crime too for instigating this shit to begin with.

[Neveragain]

The victim always had the pepper spray in his hand, it's visibly in his hand in the photos and video when he was arguing with the other dude, which is why the other dude told him to mace him. Honestly that guy should be charged with a crime too for instigating this shit to begin with.

Honestly, I really don't care.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Honestly, I really don't care.

Let's do push ups...

[Seran]

The only people I went to "personal attacks" with was Seran because he's Seran, and Taernath who defended convicted felons in the Kyle Rittenhouse case but said this Navy vet deserved to die in part because he's "a fat tub of shit with trashy tattoos."



I make good points too.

I'd still have a beer with you Dreaven. I just think your political acumen is terrifying.

[Tgo01]

I'd still have a beer with you Dreaven. I just think your political acumen is terrifying.

Likewise. You might be a decent person in real life, but your politics downright border on Stalinism.

[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1315491444933623808?s=20

This is an interesting gif I haven't seen before. There are some frames missing showing the murderer pulling out his gun (I'm assuming because these are just a bunch of still images put together and there were no still images of the murderer grabbing his gun), but it looks like immediately after the victim slaps the terrorist the terrorist reaches into his waistband for his gun and the victim never once reaches for anything. Also note the victim backs up after the slap and the murderer does not.

This man was murdered in broad daylight. Period. You don't get to draw your gun and shoot someone in the face because they slapped you then immediately backed off. Show me some proof of the victim threatening to kill the man then MAYBE I'll say self defense, but even that is questionable because you never see the victim reach for anything unlike what his liar lawyer said.

[Tgo01]

More interesting tweets I found.

https://twitter.com/skkboz/status/1315887360454742016?s=20

You can clearly see the victim's gun holstered on his left side, which like I said earlier makes sense because he's using mace with his right hand, meaning he's right handed so his gun would be holstered on his left. Therefore he couldn't have been "reaching for a gun" because his dominate hand was deploying mace.

The clip also makes it look like the murderer was reaching for the victim's gun, but I'm not sure I buy that and I think it's just a coincidence, unless the murderer had seen the holstered gun prior to the altercation and knew where it was. One thing for sure though is it sure as shit looks like the murderer made physical contact first, which prompted the victim to slap him, which then caused the murderer to draw his gun, which then caused the victim to deploy the mace. In other words the murderer escalated things in every step of the way, also known as outright murder. The victim didn't "bring mace to a gun fight", the murderer brought out a gun in response to a physical altercation where the victim immediately stepped back from the situation.

Also another interesting clip can be found in this tweet chain where you can clearly hear the victim say "Don't fucking touch me", which indicates again that the murderer made contact first (either shoving him, reaching for his gun, or "bracing to keep the guy from barreling over him".)

There's also another clip in this tweet chain that has another frame or two where the murderer reaches into his waistband and shows without a shadow of a doubt that his gun is in his waistband and that is what he is reaching for immediately after being slapped.

It's looking more and more like the terrorist was pissed off that someone slapped him so in a fit of blind rage he murdered him.

[Seran]

Twitter isn't news, nor is deep fake photo editing. Move on

[Tgo01]

Twitter isn't news, nor is deep fake photo editing. Move on

Deep fake photo editing. You really are a lost cause.

I suppose at this rate the murderer never really had a gun either and the victim somehow shot himself in the face? It's all just a deep fake!

Imagine being so worthless you don't consider video evidence to be legit unless it's found on a news source.

"If it's not on the news then it didn't happen!" - Seran

[Neveragain]

Let's do push ups...

You win!

[drauz]

More interesting tweets I found.

https://twitter.com/skkboz/status/1315887360454742016?s=20

You can clearly see the victim's gun holstered on his left side, which like I said earlier makes sense because he's using mace with his right hand, meaning he's right handed so his gun would be holstered on his left. Therefore he couldn't have been "reaching for a gun" because his dominate hand was deploying mace.

The clip also makes it look like the murderer was reaching for the victim's gun, but I'm not sure I buy that and I think it's just a coincidence, unless the murderer had seen the holstered gun prior to the altercation and knew where it was. One thing for sure though is it sure as shit looks like the murderer made physical contact first, which prompted the victim to slap him, which then caused the murderer to draw his gun, which then caused the victim to deploy the mace. In other words the murderer escalated things in every step of the way, also known as outright murder. The victim didn't "bring mace to a gun fight", the murderer brought out a gun in response to a physical altercation where the victim immediately stepped back from the situation.

Also another interesting clip can be found in this tweet chain where you can clearly hear the victim say "Don't fucking touch me", which indicates again that the murderer made contact first (either shoving him, reaching for his gun, or "bracing to keep the guy from barreling over him".)

There's also another clip in this tweet chain that has another frame or two where the murderer reaches into his waistband and shows without a shadow of a doubt that his gun is in his waistband and that is what he is reaching for immediately after being slapped.

It's looking more and more like the terrorist was pissed off that someone slapped him so in a fit of blind rage he murdered him.

You can hear the victim saying get the cameras out of here or I'll fuck you up.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1316232607659487232

I think its like 5 tweets down.

So the victim came over threatening violence, made good on his threat and assaulted the guy, then maced him, then got shot.

[Taernath]

You can hear the victim saying get the cameras out of here or I'll fuck you up.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1316232607659487232

I think its like 5 tweets down.

So the victim came over threatening violence, made good on his threat and assaulted the guy, then maced him, then got shot.

Clearly that was the murderterrorist throwing his voice, drauz.

[drauz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17c2q9rpyhc

Found a video not on twitter of it

[Archigeek]

I'd just like to point out that they're all wearing masks. Not social distancing, but it's a start.

[~Rocktar~]

I'd just like to point out that they're all wearing masks. Not social distancing, but it's a start.

According to the latest CDC commentary, masks aren't really working.

[drauz]

According to the latest CDC commentary, masks aren't really working.

Where did you see this?

You don't mean this do you?

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/verify-cdc-put-out-a-notice-saying-cloth-masks-dont-do-anything/65-d5377949-d1ea-4388-865e-b42b0c98d803

[~Rocktar~]

https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/new-cdc-study-finds-majority-of-those-infected-with-covid-19-always-wore-masks/

[drauz]

https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/new-cdc-study-finds-majority-of-those-infected-with-covid-19-always-wore-masks/

I find that a little suspect. Like how people were ashamed to say they would vote for Trump. CDC still recommends wearing them either way.

Also mentions that a lot of them ate out at restaurants where you basically can't wear a mask in a closed space with generally multiple other people. So the 70% saying always wore a mask sounds like bullshit. Or more like they always wore a mask...except when they didn't.

[Tgo01]

So the victim came over threatening violence, made good on his threat and assaulted the guy, then maced him, then got shot.

You got your timeline wrong there and left out some important actions, as per usual.

The "security guard" pushes the victim first (hence why he said "get your fucking hands off me), then the victim slaps the murderer, the victim then steps back and immediately after the slap the murderer pulls out his gun, which prompted the victim to use his mace, then the murderer shot him. There are also eye witness accounts who state the pepper spray and gunshot happened at pretty much the same time.

Also clearly the "threat" was directed towards someone else, the person with the camera. Why do you hate facts so much? I thought you loved facts?

[Tgo01]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17c2q9rpyhc

Found a video not on twitter of it

Gee the news station who hired a fake security guard is making up their own timeline of events to cover their ass? Who would have known!

You can see plain as day immediately after the slap the murderer draws his gun, he doesn't only draw it AFTER the pepper spray is used. According to his own defense attorney that you quoted for us here the murderer only fired because he thought the victim was reaching for a gun with his left hand and had nothing to do with the pepper spray.

It's also laughable they have the audacity to keep referring to the murderer as a "security guard" in that video when they know full damn well by now he wasn't a security guard.

[Tgo01]

This site has each individual frame by frame picture you can look at instead of it all being in gif form.

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/10/12/denver-protest-shooting-photos-full-sequence/

This image in particular is interesting:

https://i1.wp.com/www.denverpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/RALLY_873.jpg?fit=620%2C9999px&ssl=1

Clear as fucking day the murderer has his hand on his gun while the victim isn't reaching for shit, his mace is still by his side, AND the victim is backing up, which blows the whole "self defense" theory for "threatening" words right out of the water (and look, Seran! It's on a news site so it's real!) You can tell by the previous pictures that the mace is in the same position so he wasn't even in the process of lifting his mace at this point. He only lifted the mace to use it AFTER he saw the murderer pull out a gun. The victim was engaging in self defense.

I don't know how much more y'all need. Do you need a written confession from the terrorist that he murdered the victim in cold blood or what?

How quickly the narrative has shifted from "The victim used mace first! Self defense!"

To "The victim had a gun on him! The lawyer says he was reaching for it! Self defense!"

Now to "He said he was going to 'fuck him up'! Self defense!"

Keep denying the video and images all you want. It will never make you right.

[drauz]

You got your timeline wrong there and left out some important actions, as per usual.

The "security guard" pushes the victim first (hence why he said "get your fucking hands off me), then the victim slaps the murderer, the victim then steps back and immediately after the slap the murderer pulls out his gun, which prompted the victim to use his mace, then the murderer shot him. There are also eye witness accounts who state the pepper spray and gunshot happened at pretty much the same time.

Also clearly the "threat" was directed towards someone else, the person with the camera. Why do you hate facts so much? I thought you loved facts?

Ok.

1. "victim" rushes over saying "put the camera away or I'll fuck you up" to his client.
2. Guy puts his hands up to stop the guy from aggressively advancing on his client
3. "victim" slaps the guy in his face
4. "victim" backs up to spray the guy
5. Guy pulls out gun
6. "victim" sprays the guy
7. Guy immediately shoots the "victim"

Sorry you don't get to assault someone unprovoked then assault them again and be a martyr.

[Tgo01]

4. "victim" backs up to spray the guy
5. Guy pulls out gun

NOPE! Clear as fucking day in the pictures that the murderer already has his hand on his gun while the victim hasn't raised his mace at all and is in fact BACKING UP from the confrontation.

I'm not sure you know how self defense works. You don't get to initiate a physical confrontation, then after the other person removes himself from said physical confrontation you can pull out a fucking gun and shoot the other person.

Just admit it already: the terrorist was pissed he was slapped so shot the guy in cold blood. The pictures are right there, all it takes is for you to get over the fact that I first phrased this as the news hiring people to shoot Trump supporters and admit it already.

I also love your "puts his hands up." Dude, he was fucking pushing the victim. Just admit it already. Stop making up "facts." Also the guy had no "client", he's a fake security guard remember?

[drauz]

This site has each individual frame by frame picture you can look at instead of it all being in gif form.

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/10/12/denver-protest-shooting-photos-full-sequence/

This image in particular is interesting:

https://i1.wp.com/www.denverpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/RALLY_873.jpg?fit=620%2C9999px&ssl=1

Clear as fucking day the murderer has his hand on his gun while the victim isn't reaching for shit, his mace is still by his side, AND the victim is backing up, which blows the whole "self defense" theory for "threatening" words right out of the water (and look, Seran! It's on a news site so it's real!) You can tell by the previous pictures that the mace is in the same position so he wasn't even in the process of lifting his mace at this point. He only lifted the mace to use it AFTER he saw the murderer pull out a gun. The victim was engaging in self defense.

I don't know how much more y'all need. Do you need a written confession from the terrorist that he murdered the victim in cold blood or what?

How quickly the narrative has shifted from "The victim used mace first! Self defense!"

To "The victim had a gun on him! The lawyer says he was reaching for it! Self defense!"

Now to "He said he was going to 'fuck him up'! Self defense!"

Keep denying the video and images all you want. It will never make you right.

You can't claim self defense right after assaulting someone and being the aggressor. That's not how this works.

You twisting everything to fit your narrative isn't convincing anyone.

While I haven't seen conclusive evidence that he was reaching for anything, the "victim" 100% maced him first, he 100% said he was going to fuck him up.

[drauz]

NOPE! Clear as fucking day in the pictures that the murderer already has his hand on his gun while the victim hasn't raised his mace at all and is in fact BACKING UP from the confrontation.

I'm not sure you know how self defense works. You don't get to initiate a physical confrontation, then after the other person removes himself from said physical confrontation you can pull out a fucking gun and shoot the other person.

Just admit it already: the terrorist was pissed he was slapped so shot the guy in cold blood. The pictures are right there, all it takes is for you to get over the fact that I first phrased this as the news hiring people to shoot Trump supporters and admit it already.

I also love your "puts his hands up." Dude, he was fucking pushing the victim. Just admit it already. Stop making up "facts." Also the guy had no "client", he's a fake security guard remember?

I can't argue against your made up account, I'll just let you shout at the wind.

Good luck.

[Alfster]

He's just using alternate facts, okay?

[Tgo01]

You can't claim self defense right after assaulting someone and being the aggressor. That's not how this works.

Oh so you agree the murderer murdered him and can't claim self defense because he assaulted him first and was the aggressor? Finally some fucking progress. Only took about a hundred posts and 3 days.

[Tgo01]

He's just using alternate facts, okay?

"Alternate facts" known as pictures and videos?

You people are weird. You'll scream at the sky all day and gobble down fake news about Trump like it's going out of style, but when we see a murder captured on video and in pictures all of a sudden it's "But...but where's the REAL proof?"

Fuck all y'all. I know you hate Trump but at least pretend to have some humanity left in that empty husk you call a human body.

[Tgo01]

I can't argue against your made up account, I'll just let you shout at the wind.

Good luck.

Yeah fuck you too. "I care about the facts!" But as soon as the facts completely destroy your dumb ass narrative not once, not twice, but THREE FUCKING TIMES you insist I'm just making shit up so you're out.

Fuck off, you shit stain.

[Keller]

This may be definition of unhinged. Jesus.

[Tgo01]

This may be definition of unhinged. Jesus.

No. Unhinged is stalking a little girl because you're mad at her father. Unhinged is threatening to sue people for slander because they called you out on your shit. Unhinged is saying you hope people die if they have a different political position than you. Unhinged is going out of your way to defend a murderer simply because you dislike the politics of the victim. Unhinged is making a big deal about terrorists plotting to kidnap a governor because you thought they were right wing terrorists but when facts come out that they were left wing terrorists you suddenly stop talking about it.

Calling a shit stain a shit stain is not unhinged. Shit stain.

[Keller]

It really is bad for your health, both physical and mental, to be in this state of emotional despair. Seek help man.

[Tgo01]

It really is bad for your health, both physical and mental, to be in this state of emotional despair. Seek help man.

You're sadly mistaken if you think it causes me any sort of "despair" to call you shit stains shit stains. I don't feel any grief at all for calling out a horrible person for their horrible behavior. Keep on being horrible and thinking it's perfectly okay because other horrible people praise you every time you spout off another "Orange Man Bad!" post.

[Taernath]

Tgo's gone rabid.

Maybe he'll cancel Dreavenings and set up a bot calling people pedos on lnet again.

[Keller]

You're sadly mistaken if you think it causes me any sort of "despair" to call you shit stains shit stains. I don't feel any grief at all for calling out a horrible person for their horrible behavior. Keep on being horrible and thinking it's perfectly okay because other horrible people praise you every time you spout off another "Orange Man Bad!" post.

I do hope I am mistaken. Your general disposition suggests I am not.

Maybe try meditation or pick up yoga. I think it worked wonders for my man Stanley Bee.

[Tgo01]

I do hope I am mistaken. Your general disposition suggests I am not.

Maybe try meditation or pick up yoga. I think it worked wonders for my man Stanley Bee.

Did meditation help you to stop stalking little girls on the internet? Or you still doing that?

[drauz]

Oh so you agree the murderer murdered him and can't claim self defense because he assaulted him first and was the aggressor? Finally some fucking progress. Only took about a hundred posts and 3 days.

I am of course speaking about the person who got shot. They were clearly the aggressor in this. Are you high or drunk? There is no way he wasn't.

[Tgo01]

Tgo's gone rabid.

Maybe he'll cancel Dreavenings and set up a bot calling people pedos on lnet again.

The irony of the man who said a Navy vet deserved to die because he's overweight and has tattoos he doesn't like saying anyone else has "gone rabid."

Seems like just a couple of years ago you were bashing Keller for wishing death upon people he disagreed with politically, and now here you are right in his corner. How quickly the left turns into ghouls.


I am of course speaking about the person who got shot. They were clearly the aggressor in this. Are you high or drunk? There is no way he wasn't.

I thought you were done here? I guess we can add liar to your long list of credentials.

[Methais]

Can someone TLDR this whole thing for me? I'm extra lazy today and haven't kept up with whatever the fuck is happening here.

[Methais]

I'd say the same about Solkern's retarded posts.

To be fair, Tgo's posts don't contain enough 13 year old mall girl attitude for this.

[Tgo01]

Can someone TLDR this whole thing for me? I'm extra lazy today and haven't kept up with whatever the fuck is happening here.

News station hired a fake security guard to protect one of their reporters during a left wing protest and a right wing protest.

Fake security guard got into a physical altercation with a Trump supporter, Trump supporter slapped him, fake security guard got pissed, pulled out his gun and shot him.

For some reason everyone on the PC seems to think this was self defense on the part of the fake security guard because of false narratives that have already been debunked by video/picture evidence.

[drauz]

Yeah fuck you too. "I care about the facts!" But as soon as the facts completely destroy your dumb ass narrative not once, not twice, but THREE FUCKING TIMES you insist I'm just making shit up so you're out.

Fuck off, you shit stain.

You haven't proven anything, other than you're going crazy. You're just a waste of space. Go fuck yourself cause we all know that's the only way you're getting your dick touched without paying for it.

[Methais]

Go fuck yourself cause we all know that's the only way you're getting your sick touched without paying for it.

Aside from lol @ people still using this line in arguments, am I the only one who immediately thinks of Klaive when they hear something like this?

[Neveragain]

:lol:


Are you high or drunk?

Yes.

[Alfster]

Yeah fuck you too. "I care about the facts!" But as soon as the facts completely destroy your dumb ass narrative not once, not twice, but THREE FUCKING TIMES you insist I'm just making shit up so you're out.

Fuck off, you shit stain.

The facts don't support your statements. It's that simple.

Personally - whatever anyone thought of the shooter in Kenosha should apply equally here. Both, in my opinion, are a stretch for self defense.

Neither incident had the right camera angles. It is similar enough that you have to conclude the same thing.

[Tgo01]

It is similar enough that you have to conclude the same thing.

The two situations aren't even close to the same.

Kyle Rittenhouse was actively being chased by a larger man who then tried to reach for his gun. He was then literally chased down the street by at least a dozen people who knocked him to the ground and then proceeded to attack him while on the ground and one person actually pulled out a pistol to shoot him.

In this situation the victim BACKED AWAY from the murderer who then pulled out a gun and shot him.

How do you think the two scenarios are in any way similar? Other than a gun was used in both instances?

I'd be right there with everyone else saying self defense in this case if the Navy vet was wrestling with the "security guard" on the ground or tried to grab his gun or something. But no, the Navy vet actually stepped back and didn't raise his mace until after the "security guard" pulled a gun out on him.

[Alfster]

I should be clear. I'm talking about the first guy rittenhouse shot. The second and third shootings all spiraled because of the initial shooting. All with a gun he's not legally allowed to carry.

A bag of garbage thrown at you is no more of a reason to shoot than someone bitch slapping you.

I don't think the evidence in front of you is the same evidence that im looking at in the most recent shooting. I see a video of the guy who was shot being aggressive, as he didn't like being filmed. Then some still photos that don't really show a whole lot. Based on the little evidence, I don't think this shooting was warranted either, but there's just not much to go on. I could be convinced otherwise when additional information comes out.

[Parkbandit]

All with a gun he's not legally allowed to carry.

I thought that was debunked already, no?

[Alfster]

It's not tho. What was debunked was trafficking across state lines. You can't openly carry in the state under the age of 18

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Personally - whatever anyone thought of the shooter in Kenosha should apply equally here.

Are you talking about Kyle "operator" Rittenhouse, Hero of Kenosha, dispatcher of 3 felons?

[Stanley Burrell]

I do hope I am mistaken. Your general disposition suggests I am not.

Maybe try meditation or pick up yoga. I think it worked wonders for my man Stanley Bee.

One of the most helpful things were combining two entities for me:

#1) DBT

B. Less News.

[Alfster]

Are you talking about Kyle "operator" Rittenhouse, Hero of Kenosha, dispatcher of 3 felons?

Certainly one way to describe him.

Kyle "dispensable pawn" Rittenhouse.

Guess it just depends on your position.

[Gelston]

Are you talking about Kyle "operator" Rittenhouse, Hero of Kenosha, dispatcher of 3 felons?

He only dispatched 2.

[Taernath]

The irony of the man who said a Navy vet deserved to die because he's overweight and has tattoos he doesn't like saying anyone else has "gone rabid."

Seems like just a couple of years ago you were bashing Keller for wishing death upon people he disagreed with politically, and now here you are right in his corner. How quickly the left turns into ghouls.

I never wished for him to die, I just have very little sympathy for those who go around slapping and macing armed men. I will own calling him a fat tub of shit though.

Go take a xanax and jerk off or something, you're about to pop a vein.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

He only dispatched 2.

Get out of here with your facts.