NRA sued - NY AG asks them to be dissolved

[drauz]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53684033


Ms James said that the four named defendants - Mr LaPierre, Wilson Phillips, Joshua Powell and John Frazer "instituted a culture of self-dealing, mismanagement and negligent oversight at the NRA that was illegal, oppressive and fraudulent".

The attorney general outlined a litany of charges against the defendants, but accused Mr LaPierre, long the face of the powerful gun lobby group, of being the "central figure" behind the organisation's wrongdoings.

One example of misconduct alleged in the lawsuit states that Mr LaPierre visited the Bahamas more than eight times by private plane using funds intended for the NRA, for a total cost of $500,000 (£380,225).

The corruption "is so broad", Ms James said, that total dissolution of the organisation is necessary.

[Tgo01]

The greatest threat to Democracy is apparently the modern day Democrat party.

[Bhaalizmo]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53684033

Notably absent from these charges was any mention of Russian money passing through the NRA, which has been alluded to in the Mueller report and in the Maria Butina case.

Almost as if to protect active investigations. Interesting.

Sounds like threats to our Democracy still under investigation. That's hopeful. Curious if they'll determine Russian money influenced presidential placement. Judge placements. Etc.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Trump should send the NY AG a thank you letter. This will play to his base.

[Tgo01]

Notably absent from these charges was any mention of Russian money passing through the NRA, which has been alluded to in the Mueller report and in the Maria Butina case.

Almost as if to protect active investigations. Interesting.

Sounds like threats to our Democracy still under investigation. That's hopeful. Curious if they'll determine Russian money influenced presidential placement. Judge placements. Etc.

Right, yes. An elected political official seeking to close down a private political organization that political party of said elected political official doesn't like sure is helping to defend our Democracy.

What a sheep you are. Baa baa, motherfucker.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The NRA is a non-profit, there are rules it needs to follow. I don't mind non-profits being investigated, especially the big ones. I'm doubtful it'll be dissolved though.

[Orthin]

If the issue is four people misappropriating money and using non-profit money for personal use/gain why would you go after the organization and not the individuals? Is the thought that the NRA was fully okay with it? I used to work there and I know folks there who were furloughed during COVID so I doubt there is any love from all those folks for those four if they were spending money that could have gone to their paychecks to keep them employed but instead were used to do personal things. You get shit pay for working there unless you are a swinging dick so this has to have pissed off a bunch of employees.

[Tgo01]

I'm doubtful it'll be dissolved though.

That's the thing though. Since when do AGs seek to dissolve an entire multi million dollar organization because of the supposed bad actions of a handful of people?

[Alfster]

My guess is that it's because of the ridiculous amounts, who knows. Gun owners of America is a much better organization that actually fights for the second amendment. So much better than the NRA

[drauz]

That's the thing though. Since when do AGs seek to dissolve an entire multi million dollar organization because of the supposed bad actions of a handful of people?

If the accusations are true, this is going to at the very least really hurt the NRA.

[Parkbandit]

Trump should send the NY AG a thank you letter. This will play to his base.

At this point, it's like they just want to lose the election.

[Parkbandit]

My guess is that it's because of the ridiculous amounts, who knows. Gun owners of America is a much better organization that actually fights for the second amendment. So much better than the NRA

Probably more like the NRA is the #2 boogyman to Democrats (after ZOMGRUSSIA!) and they will attempt to do anything they can to get the out of the way.

[drauz]

I hope if these accusations are true they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

[Bhaalizmo]

Right, yes. An elected political official seeking to close down a private political organization that political party of said elected political official doesn't like sure is helping to defend our Democracy.

Because of evidence of corruption in plain sight, yes. Seems legit.


What a sheep you are. Baa baa, motherfucker.

You did see the part about Russian electoral influence and cabinet placements via the NRA as an intermediary cash handler, right?

Just skipped that part cause you couldn't wait to call ME a sheep while you ignore that, eh?

Does it not concern you at all, were it proven to be true?

Would it concern you if it were, lets say the National Parks organization that had been channeling funds from Mexico influencing our campaigns and placing judges?

I guess these questions are rhetorical because I certainly don't expect any legitimate attempt to answer them from you, you prefer to spin and blame.

Go ahead, make up some stuff I think / feel / believe in.

[Ardwen]

I am curious exactly where in the rules for managing a non-profit, any non profit. It says paying to fly the leader on private jets for vacations and personal shopping is okay, not to mention the NRA actually bought LaPierre a house, pretty sure that is not standard.

[Parkbandit]

I am curious exactly where in the rules for managing a non-profit, any non profit. It says paying to fly the leader on private jets for vacations and personal shopping is okay, not to mention the NRA actually bought LaPierre a house, pretty sure that is not standard.

So, you can pay the leader anything you want.. but you can't buy him a house to live in? What if you paid him a "bonus" of 2 million dollars last year and he purchased the house with it?

I'm sure there is some shady ass shit happening inside the NRA.. like most "non-profits".. just as I'm sure there is some shady shit happening in the NY AG office because they have an obvious ax to grind.

Like most things.. the actual truth is somewhere in the middle.

[Parkbandit]

Because of evidence of corruption in plain sight, yes. Seems legit.

You did see the part about Russian electoral influence and cabinet placements via the NRA as an intermediary cash handler, right?

Just skipped that part cause you couldn't wait to call ME a sheep while you ignore that, eh?

Does it not concern you at all, were it proven to be true?

Would it concern you if it were, lets say the National Parks organization that had been channeling funds from Mexico influencing our campaigns and placing judges?

I guess these questions are rhetorical because I certainly don't expect any legitimate attempt to answer them from you, you prefer to spin and blame.

Go ahead, make up some stuff I think / feel / believe in.

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[Tgo01]

You did see the part about Russian electoral influence and cabinet placements via the NRA as an intermediary cash handler, right?

Russia Russia Russia!

[Ardwen]

It wasn't a house to live in near the HQ, it was a vacation mansion. Because along with his trips to Hollywood for suits and socks, paid for by donors to the NRA, they had to give him multiple dwellings.

[Tgo01]

It wasn't a house to live in near the HQ, it was a vacation mansion. Because along with his trips to Hollywood for suits and socks, paid for by donors to the NRA, they had to give him multiple dwellings.

So, wait, what is the problem exactly? His pay was too generous? That's suddenly a crime worthy of dissolving the entire organization? Because shit if true we will need to get rid of like 90% of charities.

[Parkbandit]

NRA is a charity? I thought it was more of a membership club.

[Orthin]

NRA is a charity? I thought it was more of a membership club.

Sorry mis spoke they are a non-profit not a non-profit charity my fault.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

What is going to happen to my lifetime membership?

[Ashlander]

What is going to happen to my lifetime membership?

NRA is coming to end your life.

[Stanley Burrell]

Is the dude that that super liberal guy berated in the movie or whatever still head of the NRA? Really tired here.

^ Greatest post ever.

[drauz]

So, wait, what is the problem exactly? His pay was too generous? That's suddenly a crime worthy of dissolving the entire organization? Because shit if true we will need to get rid of like 90% of charities.

Yes, he is using a non-profit like his personal piggy bank. If other charities are doing that then yes they should be shut down as well.

[drauz]

The National Rifle Association is indeed a tax-exempt nonprofit organization. To be specific, it has 501(c)(4) status, meaning it is regarded as a “social welfare organization” by the Internal Revenue Service:

A 501(c)(4) organization like the NRA is allowed to engage in political lobbying and advocacy, but this cannot be its main activity, and it must be related to the group’s primary mission and the issue upon which its tax exemption is based, according to the IRS. Social welfare organizations may also get involved in political campaigns and elections, provided their involvement is related to the group’s mission, and again, only if this does not constitute their primary activity.

Critics of the NRA have claimed that the organization’s tax exemption should be taken away, because, roughly speaking, the NRA spends less time and money providing a genuine service to the public at large than it does on political lobbying, and because the NRA’s activities benefit the private gun industry.



The NRA Foundation, is a 501(c)(3) charitable organization "designed to promote firearms and hunting safety, to enhance marksmanship skills of those participating in the shooting sports

[Gelston]

The NRA has been shit for years. That is why I joined GOA instead.

[Tgo01]

Yes, he is using a non-profit like his personal piggy bank. If other charities are doing that then yes they should be shut down as well.

Yeah if he's illegally stealing money from the organization then fuck him. Just sounded like the problem was he was getting paid too much. Like that's a personal opinion, I don't think it's a crime.

[Candor]

A link for anyone wants to read the NRA's response to the lawsuit:

https://www.nralegalfacts.org/

[Stanley Burrell]

Charlton Heston. Couldn't remember the other day.

[Methais]

Notably absent from these charges was any mention of Russian money passing through the NRA, which has been alluded to in the Mueller report and in the Maria Butina case.

Almost as if to protect active investigations. Interesting.

Sounds like threats to our Democracy still under investigation. That's hopeful. Curious if they'll determine Russian money influenced presidential placement. Judge placements. Etc.

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[Ardwen]

Damn, had a chance to read thru some of the details of this suit. Lapierre effectively stole tens of millions in donors money over decades. Nice gig if you can get it.

[Methais]

The NRA has been shit for years. That is why I joined GOA instead.

Gift of Adventure? You said you don't play GS.

Reported.

[Parkbandit]

Damn, had a chance to read thru some of the details of this suit. Lapierre effectively stole tens of millions in donors money over decades. Nice gig if you can get it.

Hey.. at least she kept her campaign promise of taking down the NRA if she was elected..............

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-tish-james-nra-20180712-story.html

[Ardwen]

I doubt honestly it gets taken down, but man the leadership should be in jail, and the law firm that aided them should be in jail for longer.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I want to know why they are based out of NY... that in itself is retarded.

Truth be told though, I don't think non-profit status should be given to anyone.

[Ardwen]

Because when they were founded, finances too weeks if you weren't near NYC. A ton of charities are founded there because of that. Moving the HQ requires a LOT of things like a full independent audit, so they are still there.

[Gelston]

Gift of Adventure? You said you don't play GS.

Reported.

Gun Owners of America.

[Fleur-de-me]

I doubt honestly it gets taken down, but man the leadership should be in jail, and the law firm that aided them should be in jail for longer.

“A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” *See addendum A

Militia, YES. Well Regulated, apparently NOT. Allegedly.



Addendum A: unless that Arm is 3d printed and or any other Arm we decide its not necessary for you to own, to wit, subs, fighters, tanks, ships, nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, biological weapons, missiles and bombs and some samurai specific swords.

[Orthin]

I want to know why they are based out of NY... that in itself is retarded.

Truth be told though, I don't think non-profit status should be given to anyone.

I don't know the folks that own a local non-profit horse farm who rescue horses and provide seriously discounted lessons is a pretty cool non-profit. I'd love to get a small one going from making goat's milk soap and donating to shelters. I'd be small scale/local though. I think once you get in to some of those big ones the non-profit just becomes coverage for overhead only and a lot of the good that could actually be done gets lost in the mucky muck.

[Parkbandit]

I doubt honestly it gets taken down, but man the leadership should be in jail, and the law firm that aided them should be in jail for longer.

And you've determined that strictly by what the AG has told you?

Well, why bother having a trial?

[Ardwen]

Actually I determined it by reading like 200 stories, from groups on both sides of the aisle over the past decade.

[Methais]

Actually I determined it by reading like 200 stories, from groups on both sides of the aisle over the past decade.

The minimum is 201 stories before one can be taken seriously.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WhisperedBitterHumpbackwhale-size_restricted.gif

[Parkbandit]

Actually I determined it by reading like 200 stories, from groups on both sides of the aisle over the past decade.

You should be a judge. Imagine how much money you would save society... they could just come to you for the verdict.

But.. I'll wait for the trial to actually happen before I just take some politician's word for it... especially since she made that one of her campaign promises.

[Fleur-de-me]

The NRA has been pretty rife with scandal over the past decade or so. It's been pretty well covered and documented from both sides of the aisle over the years. I think the overall rise of other 2nd amendment advocacy groups speaks to the overall heath and condition of what was once a major force in domestic gun policy. Right or wrong, guilty or innocent, it certainly seems the power of NRA as the organization i've grown up knowing is over.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I should expect a refund of my lifetime membership soon, right?

[Fleur-de-me]

I should expect a refund of my lifetime membership soon, right?

I'm not holding out hope. But never say never, i'd rather have whatever assets remain disbursed to the members, starting with us lifetime members. Seems more equitable, than what I've heard proposed.

[Methais]

Or you being asleep at 9pm.

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[Parkbandit]

Or you being asleep at 9pm.

Jesus.. Geijon had another White Claw at 2am....

[Parkbandit]

I'm not 17 guy. Might pop a bottle of Dom for giggles if Zaoloo has a comment. Dude sells shit to pay his rent. You probably made some bacon and eggs for breakfast and took your medication before posting this. You were also asleep at 9pm on Saturday cause you're elderly.

So.. it wasn't because you were drunk.. this type of rage and stupidity is all natural.

Good to know.. (but we already knew it..)

It's too bad you can't sleep stupidity off.

[~Rocktar~]

So we had the resident Leftists covering the racist and sexist discrimination pretty well, now we have Geijon covering the age discrimination. The trifecta of Leftism is complete.

[FlayedAngel]

So we had the resident Leftists covering the racist and sexist discrimination pretty well, now we have Geijon covering the age discrimination. The trifecta of Leftism is complete.
So are you stating that being against racism, sexism, and ageism are "Leftist" qualities?

Or are you implying that "Leftists" here are being racist, sexist, and ageist?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/07/2a/41/072a412db6dabf328e5cd0aa11bd7251.gif

[Taernath]

Good heavens, now age discrimination? Does the depravity of PC leftists know no bounds?

[~Rocktar~]

So are you stating that being against racism, sexism, and ageism are "Leftist" qualities?

Or are you implying that "Leftists" here are being racist, sexist, and ageist?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/07/2a/41/072a412db6dabf328e5cd0aa11bd7251.gif

I guess I was not clear. I was flat saying that the Leftists in this board are in fact being racist, sexist, and now ageist.

[~Rocktar~]

Must be tough out there for all you who identify this way.This thread is about a near dead organization with the NRA. New York says dissolve them cause they are irrelevant and mainly, broke. How is Trump coming through for you? I think he declared bankruptcy for the 7th time because of Covid-19, but he had to actually explain himself and he's toast.

He paying your bills? Nope. Stimulus is stalled. Dude will be dead 10 years from now, but ride the wave.

Rather be left (aint) than your mindset.

Well, because I am kind of into personal responsibility and not in retail subject to the whims of power hungry Leftists and this Scamdemic, I don't have much to complain about regarding Trump. The only major issue has been his banning bump stocks. Other than that, Trump has done what I voted him in to do.

And yes, you are indeed a Leftist shill.

[FlayedAngel]

I guess I was not clear. I was flat saying that the Leftists in this board are in fact being racist, sexist, and now ageist.
Well if that isn't soooooo like a man, you decrepit old cracker.

[Methais]

I'm not 17 guy. Might pop a bottle of Dom for giggles if Zaoloo has a comment. Dude sells shit to pay his rent. You probably made some bacon and eggs for breakfast and took your medication before posting this. You were also asleep at 9pm on Saturday cause you're elderly.

You think Dreaven is in his 60s? :lol:

I'm gonna need you to have another meltdown today. I need some entertainment.

[Methais]

So are you stating that being against racism, sexism, and ageism are "Leftist" qualities?

Or are you implying that "Leftists" here are being racist, sexist, and ageist?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/07/2a/41/072a412db6dabf328e5cd0aa11bd7251.gif

Not that anything Geijon says matters to begin with, but I'm curious...how did you read Geijon's post, then read Rocktar's post, and then still be confused as to what Rocktar was saying?

Reported.

[Slider]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtZeSZUyPoM

Pretty good video from actual lawyers discussing the case, might want to give it a listen.

[drauz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtZeSZUyPoM

Pretty good video from actual lawyers discussing the case, might want to give it a listen.

It was never going to get dissolved from this, but the people embezzling have a good shot at some criminal charges.

[Parkbandit]

It was never going to get dissolved from this, but the people embezzling have a good shot at some criminal charges.

It was never going to get dissolved from this, but the DA who ran on that needed to give her base some red meat.

[Realk]

I'm just here to say, what the heck is wrong with making some bacon and a couple eggs for breakfast.