Schools Reopening

[ClydeR]

Some other countries have reopened their schools to in-person classes with little effect on their COVID infection rates. Will it work in the US? Unfortunately, the answer is no. Those other countries got the virus under control in the community before reopening schools. The virus is more out of control in the US than in almost any other country in the world. Reopening schools has the potential to be a disaster. And when I use the word "disaster," I mean it in its literal traditional unexaggerated sense.

Politically, the blame for a viral disaster related to school reopening can be laid squarely at the feet of the President, who repeatedly said that schools must reopen (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/30/trump-pushes-to-reopen-schools-says-closures-will-probably-cause-more-death.html), who threatened to cut off federal funds (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/08/trump-schools-reopening-federal-funding-352311) from schools systems that do not resume in-person classes, who said his own CDC's guidance was too tough (https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1280857657365200902) for schools, and who, in contrast, said it is too dangerous to open polling places in November.

When stories start to arrive about a few children bringing home the virus and making themselves orphans, can you imagine how it will affect politics? It's not too late for the President to change course and save himself from a horrendous backlash.

Three months from now, when it will be obvious that I was correct, you will want to look back with the benefit of hindsight and say of course anybody should have known better than to open schools in areas where the virus was out of control. If you think that, then now is the time to speak up. Speak now, before the many teacher funerals and before the swell in the number of orphans.









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https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1289497186959466496



“This should show you how actively kids can transmit it,” he said. “If you have a low prevalence in your community, you can start to do things. If you have rampant and rapid community spread, then there is no opening school, there is no opening colleges. It is not going to work.”

More... (https://www.ajc.com/news/coronavirus/260-coronavirus-cases-tied-to-north-georgia-camp-outbreak/NZDPEZRRUNHT7CVE43JOPUAVSY/)

[Tgo01]

Only in America can loony people in charge of our government insist kids NOT get an education while the teachers are free to go on vacations and enjoy life as usual. Oh yeah and of course continue to get paid.

It's also funny reading dumb shit like this.

"OMG!!! 260 people! SUPER SPREADING EVENT!!111!1!"

The US has like 70k cases a day and has had mass demonstrations on a near daily basis for the past 6 weeks and yet no one gives a shit about this.

But kids having fun?! UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!

People going to churches? NIEN!

Mass protests and rioting? I'll allow it.

People are going to get sick. It happens. What exactly is the solution? Oh right, other than Latrin and his 4+ month shutdown of the entire country while we just print up money no one ever seems to have a solution grounded in reality. It's just bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch all day long.

[Bobmuhthol]

Only in America can loony people in charge of our government insist kids NOT get an education while the teachers are free to go on vacations and enjoy life as usual. Oh yeah and of course continue to get paid.

It's also funny reading dumb shit like this.

"OMG!!! 260 people! SUPER SPREADING EVENT!!111!1!"

The US has like 70k cases a day and has had mass demonstrations on a near daily basis for the past 6 weeks and yet no one gives a shit about this.

But kids having fun?! UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!

People going to churches? NIEN!

Mass protests and rioting? I'll allow it.

People are going to get sick. It happens. What exactly is the solution? Oh right, other than Latrin and his 4+ month shutdown of the entire country while we just print up money no one ever seems to have a solution grounded in reality. It's just bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch all day long.You are a fucking idiot.

[Tgo01]

You are a fucking idiot.

This is not how you go about proving you are intelligent.

[Bobmuhthol]

This is not how you go about proving you are intelligent.https://i.imgur.com/8yR83M4.png
https://i.imgur.com/qjMF3xe.png

[Tgo01]

https://i.imgur.com/8yR83M4.png
https://i.imgur.com/qjMF3xe.png

I see two B's.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

LMAO, who posts their college grades?

[~Rocktar~]

Using a college report card to prove intelligence, forgetting to remove your ID# thus opening yourself to DOXing, someone's Asperger's is flaring up.

I don't have that lofty school name on my degree, I do have a BS in Physics and a minor in Math and despite how dumb you say I am, even I know that trying to prove your intelligence over the internet is a fruitless endeavor, ouroboros, a tail chaser.

Good job trying to earn the respect of people in the most ineffective way possible. Perhaps in time, you will learn to respect yourself enough that you stop seeking to demand it from others. It's something that comes with time, pain and maturity.

Life is hard when you are smart, harder than for most people because they don't care and you still have to overcome all the issues you face while knowing how badly other people are fucking things up both for you, for others and for themselves.

Keeping kids out of school is unsustainable, maintaining the shutdown is unsustainable and there are just too many lies and too much bad data to support the current narrative. Our society is on the verge of collapse if we don't change course, not just on the virus, a lot of things. I ask the Divine for guidance and mercy every day because we are indeed on a bleak and deadly path.

Enough waxing philosophic, just a part of my priest side showing.

Make decent counter arguments.

[rolfard]

Schools never closed. The buildings were closed but teaching continued. All NYC teachers were mandated to work through their spring break (live streaming classes and providing support remotely) without a plan for compensation. Teaching remotely has required more of education professionals in order to be effective in a model noone planned for. Lastly teachers are still subject to the same quarentines and state restrictions so while there's more time at home, it's no vacation!

[Taernath]

Get a look at all those As. You some kind of NERD, Bob?

[Bobmuhthol]

Using a college report card to prove intelligence, forgetting to remove your ID# thus opening yourself to DOXing, someone's Asperger's is flaring up.

I don't have that lofty school name on my degree, I do have a BS in Physics and a minor in Math and despite how dumb you say I am, even I know that trying to prove your intelligence over the internet is a fruitless endeavor, ouroboros, a tail chaser.

Good job trying to earn the respect of people in the most ineffective way possible. Perhaps in time, you will learn to respect yourself enough that you stop seeking to demand it from others. It's something that comes with time, pain and maturity.

Life is hard when you are smart, harder than for most people because they don't care and you still have to overcome all the issues you face while knowing how badly other people are fucking things up both for you, for others and for themselves.

Keeping kids out of school is unsustainable, maintaining the shutdown is unsustainable and there are just too many lies and too much bad data to support the current narrative. Our society is on the verge of collapse if we don't change course, not just on the virus, a lot of things. I ask the Divine for guidance and mercy every day because we are indeed on a bleak and deadly path.

Enough waxing philosophic, just a part of my priest side showing.

Make decent counter arguments.Hey, retard, I dare you to dox me based on my student ID.

[time4fun]

https://i.imgur.com/8yR83M4.png
https://i.imgur.com/qjMF3xe.png

Best. Response. Ever.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Best. Response. Ever.

Only a cunt like you would think good grades equates to being intelligent.

[time4fun]

Only a cunt like you would think good grades equates to being intelligent.

Coming from a sad little man who calls women cunts on random internet forums because he doesn't know how to handle being told he's wrong.

Little boys and their keyboards.

And yeah, an MA from Cal pretty much beats your GED or community college associates degree- or whatever it is you're passing off as your credentials.

It's almost as good as an MA from Stanford.

(Sorry Bob, had to haha)

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Coming from a sad little man who calls women cunts on random internet forums because he doesn't know how to handle being told he's wrong.

Little boys and their keyboards.

And yeah, an MA from Cal pretty much beats your GED or community college associates degree- or whatever it is you're passing off as your credentials.

It's almost as good as an MA from Stanford.

(Sorry Bob, had to haha)

You are a woman? Like, I knew you were a cunt, but I had no idea you were a woman.

[~Rocktar~]

Hey, retard, I dare you to dox me based on my student ID.

I don't DOX people, that is the specialty of others on this board. Again, childish grandstanding. Grow up.

[Tgo01]

Look at all of the liberals bragging about their education and talking down to everyone like they are peasants.

Be sure you donate 90% of your income and wealth to the poor black families who weren't afforded the same opportunities you were.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Education is important and Bob has a great one. I also think he's intelligent, but good grades are not a great indicator of intelligence. Being able to use some R or Python code to do a regression, clustering, NLP or any of the fucking packages that simply require 1 or 2 lines of code to execute is as easy as it can get. Being able to ensure your sample is good, unbiased and then being able to interpret the results and apply them in a business setting is something else entirely.

He's got two impressive degrees, nothing to be ashamed of.

[Tgo01]

Schools never closed. The buildings were closed but teaching continued. All NYC teachers were mandated to work through their spring break (live streaming classes and providing support remotely) without a plan for compensation. Teaching remotely has required more of education professionals in order to be effective in a model noone planned for. Lastly teachers are still subject to the same quarentines and state restrictions so while there's more time at home, it's no vacation!

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[Tgo01]

He's got two impressive degrees, nothing to be ashamed of.

Nothing to be ashamed of at all. He's been upset for about a week now because I said he was unintelligent and since then has been getting into a pissing contest about intelligence.

I said I felt bad shortly after I called him unintelligent because I didn't realize it would get under his skin so much and here we are about a week later.

Like the dude has a well paying job and a good education, not sure why he gives a shit what some random person on the internet said.

[Solkern]

Only in America can loony people in charge of our government insist kids NOT get an education while the teachers are free to go on vacations and enjoy life as usual. Oh yeah and of course continue to get paid.

It's also funny reading dumb shit like this.

"OMG!!! 260 people! SUPER SPREADING EVENT!!111!1!"

The US has like 70k cases a day and has had mass demonstrations on a near daily basis for the past 6 weeks and yet no one gives a shit about this.

But kids having fun?! UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!

People going to churches? NIEN!

Mass protests and rioting? I'll allow it.

People are going to get sick. It happens. What exactly is the solution? Oh right, other than Latrin and his 4+ month shutdown of the entire country while we just print up money no one ever seems to have a solution grounded in reality. It's just bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch all day long.


Tgo, we are all still waiting on where you found that “ALL experts said children do not spread COVID-19 as easily as others.” Please enlighten us. You complain about people making shit up, show us you aren’t a hypocrite.

[Tgo01]

Tgo, we are all still waiting on where you found that “ALL experts said children do not spread COVID-19 as easily as others.” Please enlighten us. You complain about people making shit up, show us you aren’t a hypocrite.

A) I never said children don't spread the disease, I said they don't spread it as easily.
B) Going to school for a few hours a day is a hell of a lot different than a camp where everyone is sleeping in the same room
C) The CDC is now calling into question earlier reports that children don't spread the disease as easily. (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6931e1.htm?s_cid=mm6931e1_w)


This investigation adds to the body of evidence demonstrating that children of all ages are susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 infection (1–3) and, contrary to early reports (5,6), might play an important role in transmission (7,8).


Heavey L, Casey G, Kelly C, Kelly D, McDarby G. No evidence of secondary transmission of COVID-19 from children attending school in Ireland, 2020. Euro Surveill 2020;25:2000903.


Ludvigsson JF. Children are unlikely to be the main drivers of the COVID-19 pandemic—a systematic review. Acta Paediatr 2020;109:1525–30.

Your sudden hard on for me about this issue is confusing. Do you NOT want me to go by what the experts are saying? Would you rather I be like you and just talk a bunch of nonsense about shit I don't understand?

I see you edited your post to be more honest of what I said. Good on you.

[Solkern]

A) I never said children don't spread the disease, I said they don't spread it as easily.
B) Going to school for a few hours a day is a hell of a lot different than a camp where everyone is sleeping in the same room
C) The CDC is now calling into question earlier reports that children don't spread the disease as easily. (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6931e1.htm?s_cid=mm6931e1_w)







Your sudden hard on for me about this issue is confusing. Do you NOT want me to go by what the experts are saying? Would you rather I be like you and just talk a bunch of nonsense about shit I don't understand?

I see you edited your post to be more honest of what I said. Good on you.


First, I never said they don’t spread, also I never said, you said that either. Next you said ALL experts. I’m waiting for proof that ALL experts said children don’t spread COVID as easily as adults, not what a few experts at CDC think.

[Tgo01]

First, I never said they don’t spread. Second you said ALL experts. I’m waiting for proof that ALL experts said children don’t spread COVID as easily as adults, not what a few experts at CDC think.

Is this really what you are getting hung up on; the percentage of experts who said this?

Keep going for those small victories in life, Solkern.

[Solkern]

Here let me help remind you.


All of the experts have said children aren't affected much by the virus and don't easily pass it on to others.

Do you even science, bro?

Please show me where all experts said this, not just a few at the CDC.

[Solkern]

Is this really what you are getting hung up on; the percentage of experts who said this?

Keep going for those small victories in life, Solkern.

Exactly, keep making shit up. Good job Karen!

[Solkern]

A)) The CDC is now calling into question earlier reports that children don't spread the disease as easily. (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6931e1.htm?s_cid=mm6931e1_w)


Do you even understand, what you posted means?

I know you lack reading comprehension, as it’s evident from what I quoted and your failed arguments.

[Tgo01]

Do you even understand, what you posted means?

Uh, yeah, that's the CDC saying they are calling into question earlier reports/studies that suggested kids don't spread the virus as easily as adults. That's me saying I was going by what the experts said before and I'm going by what the experts are saying now.

Again do you NOT want me to go by what the experts say?

Keep in mind this is post number three so if you want me to reply be sure to reply tomorrow so I see it.

Toodles!

[Solkern]

A) I never said children don't spread the disease, I said they don't spread it as easily.

First of all, I’ve never stated you said children don’t spread COVID-19. Show me where I have? You want to talk about poor reading comprehension? It’s on full display every time you post.
You want to claim I edited my post? In 3 different threads I’ve asked you to show proof, go check the edit times, never once did I say other than what i quoted from you.

Try harder Karen.

[Solkern]

Uh, yeah, that's the CDC saying they are calling into question earlier reports/studies that suggested kids don't spread the virus as easily as adults. That's me saying I was going by what the experts said before and I'm going by what the experts are saying now.

Again do you NOT want me to go by what the experts say?

Keep in mind this is post number three so if you want me to reply be sure to reply tomorrow so I see it.

Toodles!


So, it went from ALL experts, to some reports in the CDC. Good job Karen! Fucking idiot.
Everyone in their right mind know children are super spreaders of sickness. Except you.

Let’s see your logic, CDC says there are no reports that children spread it as easily as others. What information are they basing this off of? The kids that were not in school? Now that children are finally getting together due to easing of restrictions, children are spreading it like crazy, gee who would have thought?! Putting 200+ students together that dont have a clue what hygiene is, yeah that’s go to go real well! Obviously your ass doesn’t have any young children. I do, and I want my child going no where near a fucking school. I don’t know one person who wants to send their children to school with a raging pandemic going on right now.

Anyone on the PC want their children back in school right now?

[time4fun]

Also, if we're referring to the revised CDC report recommending we bring children back into schools, the White House rejected the CDC's actual recommendations and ended up drafting its own recommendations (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/10/us/politics/trump-schools-reopening.html). The most recent CDC report is mostly written by the CDC, but there are notes on the pages about school opening that indicate that the White House wrote those, not the scientists.

[Tgo01]

Also, if we're referring to the revised CDC report recommending we bring children back into schools, the White House rejected the CDC's actual recommendations and ended up drafting its own recommendations (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/10/us/politics/trump-schools-reopening.html). The most recent CDC report is mostly written by the CDC, but there are notes on the pages about school opening that indicate that the White House wrote those, not the scientists.

Maybe time4fun can answer this question: what SHOULD we do? Continue to deny kids an education for another year or longer? Have people in their 20's still in school? Come on, stop complaining about everything and come up with some reasonable alternatives.

[Solkern]

Maybe time4fun can answer this question: what SHOULD we do? Continue to deny kids an education for another year or longer? Have people in their 20's still in school? Come on, stop complaining about everything and come up with some reasonable alternatives.

Tgo, What do you think will happen when a child at school gets tested positive? That school will shut down for a week, and reopen and when another child gets COVID-19 the cycle will repeat. So do you think opening schools is really going to solve anything? Do you really think social distancing guidelines are going to stop the spread with children who don’t know a damn thing about hygiene?

[Orthin]

Maybe time4fun can answer this question: what SHOULD we do? Continue to deny kids an education for another year or longer? Have people in their 20's still in school? Come on, stop complaining about everything and come up with some reasonable alternatives.

My school district is doing full-time remote learning. So while not in class full-time my little one will be getting an education. Going in to the physical learning environment would be much better for her I wholeheartedly agree, but to say my kid is being denied an education is a stretch.

I have a luxury too other folks don't have, I can work remote and my wife sold her company and manages our farm so she is home full time. We live in an area where two income houses are pretty much mandatory unless you want to commute 90 minutes 1 way (which would have been my commute). Folks are desperate to get their kids in school I think not so much because they are eager to ensure their kids get an education but instead they want to be able work at full capacity again (at least that is where I am, and based on what folks are posting/saying for our counties educational programs). I think that is the bigger problem at hand.

If my school area offers full-time remote OR 2 days in and remote we will probably still go full-time remote. I do not know if our little lady could handle getting a small taste of normal for 3-4 weeks only to be angry and confused when someone tests positive and the whole system begins to fall apart and go full-time remote anyways. As adults it is much easier for us to process those things but for a 6-7 year old that is going to be very difficult. Someone WILL test positive. No matter how hard anyone tries it is going to happen.

[Ashlander]

My school district is doing full-time remote learning. So while not in class full-time my little one will be getting an education. Going in to the physical learning environment would be much better for her I wholeheartedly agree, but to say my kid is being denied an education is a stretch.

I have a luxury too other folks don't have, I can work remote and my wife sold her company and manages our farm so she is home full time. We live in an area where two income houses are pretty much mandatory unless you want to commute 90 minutes 1 way (which would have been my commute). Folks are desperate to get their kids in school I think not so much because they are eager to ensure their kids get an education but instead they want to be able work at full capacity again (at least that is where I am, and based on what folks are posting/saying for our counties educational programs). I think that is the bigger problem at hand.

If my school area offers full-time remote OR 2 days in and remote we will probably still go full-time remote. I do not know if our little lady could handle getting a small taste of normal for 3-4 weeks only to be angry and confused when someone tests positive and the whole system begins to fall apart and go full-time remote anyways. As adults it is much easier for us to process those things but for a 6-7 year old that is going to be very difficult. Someone WILL test positive. No matter how hard anyone tries it is going to happen.

Edit: Nevermind you covered my point at the end of the second paragraph.

[Tgo01]

My school district is doing full-time remote learning. So while not in class full-time my little one will be getting an education. Going in to the physical learning environment would be much better for her I wholeheartedly agree, but to say my kid is being denied an education is a stretch.

I have a luxury too other folks don't have, I can work remote and my wife sold her company and manages our farm so she is home full time. We live in an area where two income houses are pretty much mandatory unless you want to commute 90 minutes 1 way (which would have been my commute). Folks are desperate to get their kids in school I think not so much because they are eager to ensure their kids get an education but instead they want to be able work at full capacity again (at least that is where I am, and based on what folks are posting/saying for our counties educational programs). I think that is the bigger problem at hand.

If my school area offers full-time remote OR 2 days in and remote we will probably still go full-time remote. I do not know if our little lady could handle getting a small taste of normal for 3-4 weeks only to be angry and confused when someone tests positive and the whole system begins to fall apart and go full-time remote anyways. As adults it is much easier for us to process those things but for a 6-7 year old that is going to be very difficult. Someone WILL test positive. No matter how hard anyone tries it is going to happen.

Yeah I just don't think kids are going to get as good of an education via remote learning.

Also what about kids who don't have computers or internet connection? I doubt the schools are going to provide this equipment but I suppose it's possible.

[Solkern]

Yeah I just don't think kids are going to get as good of an education via remote learning.

Also what about kids who don't have computers or internet connection? I doubt the schools are going to provide this equipment but I suppose it's possible.


That could be a possibility, even a cheap tablet could do the job. Just sadly reopening schools, is just not a viable option.

[Solkern]

Private school attended by Barron Trump prohibited from in-person learning until October as President pushes openings

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/01/politics/barron-trump-private-school-maryland-order-coronavirus/index.html

[~Rocktar~]

That could be a possibility, even a cheap tablet could do the job. Just sadly reopening schools, is just not a viable option.

Hiding in a hole for the rest of our lives is not a valid option. There is a lot more to learning in a school than just the books and assignments. Keep in mind, most school systems were not doing all that well on that side of things before Covid. We have faced far far worse diseases and people still went to school, work and had social lives. We have treatments even if the media and the politically aligned "experts" deny them. And then there is the elephant in the room of Sweden that had no lock down, no quarantine and hasn't faced the apocalyptic predictions the Left in the US is so fond of.

Of course they are being over run by Islamic invaders that they refuse to deal with but that is a whole other issue.

[rolfard]

Yeah I just don't think kids are going to get as good of an education via remote learning.

Also what about kids who don't have computers or internet connection? I doubt the schools are going to provide this equipment but I suppose it's possible.

All 1m+ students in NYC public schools are confirmed having wifi and PC or were provided one. My workplace was proactive and distributed them a week before shut downs occurred.

[Bobmuhthol]

Hiding in a hole for the rest of our lives is not a valid option. There is a lot more to learning in a school than just the books and assignments. Keep in mind, most school systems were not doing all that well on that side of things before Covid. We have faced far far worse diseases and people still went to school, work and had social lives. We have treatments even if the media and the politically aligned "experts" deny them. And then there is the elephant in the room of Sweden that had no lock down, no quarantine and hasn't faced the apocalyptic predictions the Left in the US is so fond of.

Of course they are being over run by Islamic invaders that they refuse to deal with but that is a whole other issue.Sweden's plan was not successful, their leadership publicly regrets it, and the reason it wasn't as bad as it could have been is because people *voluntarily* practiced the same guidelines that are recommended in the United States without it having to be enforced by law (because Sweden is on average more goddamn intelligent than crybabies in this country).

[Solkern]

Hiding in a hole for the rest of our lives is not a valid option. There is a lot more to learning in a school than just the books and assignments. Keep in mind, most school systems were not doing all that well on that side of things before Covid. We have faced far far worse diseases and people still went to school, work and had social lives. We have treatments even if the media and the politically aligned "experts" deny them. And then there is the elephant in the room of Sweden that had no lock down, no quarantine and hasn't faced the apocalyptic predictions the Left in the US is so fond of.

Of course they are being over run by Islamic invaders that they refuse to deal with but that is a whole other issue.


So please enlighten us, what should happen when students start getting COVID-19 at school? Just say fuck it and keep on going? Oh who gives a shit if they got it, they’ll get over it. Oh if they spread it to their grandparents? Oh who gives a shit, they are old anyways? If they spread it to their parents? Oh no worries they can get paid sick leave that so many companies in America provide. Oh teachers? Who cares about them, we can get substitute teachers, or they can work through the virus.

Please tell us rocktar, what do you suggest? Besides just opening schools and winging it.

All you do is cry about not staying in a hole, so tell us a plan on what should schools, parents, teachers do when a coronavirus outbreak happens at school.

[Solkern]

Sweden's plan was not successful, their leadership publicly regrets it, and the reason it wasn't as bad as it could have been is because people *voluntarily* practiced the same guidelines that are recommended in the United States without it having to be enforced by law (because Sweden is on average more goddamn intelligent than crybabies in this country).


They also didn’t have people coughing on other people because they were forced to wear a mask in a store. Or scream about their freedoms being violated or wearing a mask covers up gods image bullshit.

[Wrathbringer]

Sweden's plan was not successful, their leadership publicly regrets it, and the reason it wasn't as bad as it could have been is because people *voluntarily* practiced the same guidelines that are recommended in the United States without it having to be enforced by law (because Sweden is on average more goddamn intelligent than crybabies in this country).

I bet you wear a mask with penis on it everywhere, even and especially when you're home alone.

[Solkern]

I bet you where a mask with penis on it everywhere, even and especially when you're home alone.

I bet you he can use wear/where properly.

[Wrathbringer]

LMAO, who posts their college grades?

Wimpy retards with no self esteem who have never kissed a girl.

[Wrathbringer]

I bet you he can use wear/where properly.

Autocorrect strikes again. Fixed.

[Teveriel]

They also didn’t have people coughing on other people because they were forced to wear a mask in a store. Or scream about their freedoms being violated or wearing a mask covers up gods image bullshit.

https://i.imgur.com/6hKb0Sq.jpg

[Bobmuhthol]

I bet you wear a mask with penis on it everywhere, even and especially when you're home alone.Homophobic insults have been out of style for years now.

[Bobmuhthol]

Wimpy retards with no self esteem who have never kissed a girl.I don't know how you came to any of these conclusions about me. I'm athletic, have a very healthy self esteem, and have been in long term relationships for the last like 15 years.

[~Rocktar~]

So please enlighten us, what should happen when students start getting COVID-19 at school? Just say fuck it and keep on going? Oh who gives a shit if they got it, they’ll get over it. Oh if they spread it to their grandparents? Oh who gives a shit, they are old anyways? If they spread it to their parents? Oh no worries they can get paid sick leave that so many companies in America provide. Oh teachers? Who cares about them, we can get substitute teachers, or they can work through the virus.

Please tell us rocktar, what do you suggest? Besides just opening schools and winging it.

All you do is cry about not staying in a hole, so tell us a plan on what should schools, parents, teachers do when a coronavirus outbreak happens at school.

I am not crying as you put it, I am calling out the bullshit.

Well, stop with the suppression of treatments just because the bought and paid for "experts" don't like them. Try pretty much everything and get out of the way of people and their doctors making health decisions.

Second, yes, we will have to open up and deal with it. Period. Anything else is just not sustainable. Serology testing in LA and NY suggest that from 30 to 50 times the confirmed cases worth of people have already had the disease. If even 10 times the number of people have already had the disease then our actions are insanely overblown and if it is in fact 30-50 times the known infections then our reaction is down right criminal.

We used to quarantine sick people and people who were at risk. Now we are stomping all over Civil Rights in order to quarantine everyone in order to protect feelings, establish control, manipulate an election and train a populous that they are selfish for wanting their personal freedoms and the ability to make their own choices and take personal responsibility.

We also need to do some real work on correcting the BS fake death totals and clean up the stupid incentives to misreport causes of death. Both are pretty much criminal fraud in my mind.

[~Rocktar~]

I don't know how you came to any of these conclusions about me. I'm athletic, have a very healthy self esteem, and have been in long term relationships for the last like 15 years.

So much self esteem that you got butt hurt bad enough on an internet forum that you decided to try and boost your online cred by posting your school grades. Good on you about the relationship though.

[Solkern]

I am not crying as you put it, I am calling out the bullshit.

Well, stop with the suppression of treatments just because the bought and paid for "experts" don't like them. Try pretty much everything and get out of the way of people and their doctors making health decisions.

Second, yes, we will have to open up and deal with it. Period. Anything else is just not sustainable. Serology testing in LA and NY suggest that from 30 to 50 times the confirmed cases worth of people have already had the disease. If even 10 times the number of people have already had the disease then our actions are insanely overblown and if it is in fact 30-50 times the known infections then our reaction is down right criminal.

We used to quarantine sick people and people who were at risk. Now we are stomping all over Civil Rights in order to quarantine everyone in order to protect feelings, establish control, manipulate an election and train a populous that they are selfish for wanting their personal freedoms and the ability to make their own choices and take personal responsibility.

We also need to do some real work on correcting the BS fake death totals and clean up the stupid incentives to misreport causes of death. Both are pretty much criminal fraud in my mind.

I take it you don’t have children do you? I would not send my daughter to school, and I don’t think anyone here who has children in school would either.

So you still didn’t answer my question, when there is an outbreak of COVID-19 in the school, what’s your plan?
75% of your post dealt with nothing of my questions, it was just you ranting.
Opening and deal with it. Period. Is not a plan.
You are for reopening schools, so what plan do you have in mind, when students start to get COVID-19.

[~Rocktar~]

I take it you don’t have children do you? I would not send my daughter to school, and I don’t think anyone here who has children in school would either.

So you still didn’t answer my question, when there is an outbreak of COVID-19 in the school, what’s your plan?
75% of your post dealt with nothing of my questions, it was just you ranting.
Opening and deal with it. Period. Is not a plan.
You are for reopening schools, so what plan do you have in mind, when students start to get COVID-19.

I was a step dad for a long time. This is still my philosophy. And yes, opening and facing the consequences IS in fact a plan even if you don't like it.

[Solkern]

I was a step dad for a long time. This is still my philosophy. And yes, opening and facing the consequences IS in fact a plan even if you don't like it.

No, it’s not a plan. Face it how? Go into details on what exactly “face it” means? Is it, if children get COVID, pass it to parents and grandparents and they die, tough shit? Let them die? When children start to die? Fuck it, tough shit, have more babies? Aren’t you pro-life? That doesn’t sound “pro-life” to me.

If frankly doesn’t matter if you think deaths are overblown, you still acknowledge deaths do happen, how many children/parents/teachers need to die, before you go “ok, maybe schools shouldn’t have opened”?
At what point does the death count actually have an influence on you? How many need to die? 500k? 1million? Half our population?

Less people died in Vietnam, on the other side of the world, fighting a war to put democracy in another country, and we pulled out because we couldn’t stand the loss of life.
Yet here, at home in our own country, people are dying, and your response is fuck it, which cares, let them die.

Well, it’s not your children, so who gives a shit, right?

That’s just mind boggling.

[Solkern]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/01/us/schools-reopening-indiana-coronavirus.html

As more schools abandon plans for in-person classes, one that opened in Indiana this week had to quarantine students within hours.

Just hours into the first day of classes on Thursday, a call from the county health department notified Greenfield Central Junior High School in Indiana that a student who had walked the halls and sat in various classrooms had tested positive for the coronavirus.

Yup, this is going to go well.

[Tgo01]

All 1m+ students in NYC public schools are confirmed having wifi and PC or were provided one. My workplace was proactive and distributed them a week before shut downs occurred.

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[Tgo01]

https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1289922060110635008?s=20

The director of the CDC raises some good points about school reopenings too.

There is a lot more to school and learning than kids just sitting in front of a computer and listening to a teacher.

[Solkern]

https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1289922060110635008?s=20

The director of the CDC raises some good points about school reopenings too.

There is a lot more to school and learning than kids just sitting in front of a computer and listening to a teacher.

Yeah, it’s about building interactions skills, etc etc. but during this time, we can’t get what we all need and want.
I think we all can safely say, schools can reopen and they will just shut down and this cycle will repeat as students get COVID-19. So why even bother? Just add to the emotional stress on children and parents?

Opening schools now so we have this vicious cycle? Or wait 3ish months(hopefully) when we have this virus under control and we can open it up when cases aren’t sky high.

[Tgo01]

Yeah, it’s about building interactions skills, etc etc. but during this time, we can’t get what we all need and want.

"This time" being how long exactly? Another 6 months? 12 months? 18 months?

How much longer do we deprive our kids a proper education while still paying teachers a full salary?

[Solkern]

"This time" being how long exactly? Another 6 months? 12 months? 18 months?

How much longer do we deprive our kids a proper education while still paying teachers a full salary?


So what’s your plan? Open schools? And when they shut down for a week for cleaning because a child got coronavirus?
Will they get a proper education this way? You all advocate for schools reopening, and you think they will get a proper education. I sent a link, a school reopened, first day coronavirus... school shut down kids and teachers have to quarantine for 14 days. How exactly is that a proper education?

And if you read my full post, you can clearly see I gave a time frame... that’s hopeful.

[Solkern]

Cause all I’ve heard from the people who want schools open are:
A) don’t have children that go to school.
B) have No suggestions or ideas on how to open schools and keep them safe.. cause well they are children.. they don’t listen to shit, or have a clue on how to keep safe and clean.. especially with an attention span of 1 minute.
C) have no plan or ideas on what to do when children get coronavirus at school.
D) think children will get a proper education without having any sort of plan or idea about what to do with points, B and C.

[~Rocktar~]

No, it’s not a plan. Face it how? Go into details on what exactly “face it” means? Is it, if children get COVID, pass it to parents and grandparents and they die, tough shit? Let them die? When children start to die? Fuck it, tough shit, have more babies? Aren’t you pro-life? That doesn’t sound “pro-life” to me.

If frankly doesn’t matter if you think deaths are overblown, you still acknowledge deaths do happen, how many children/parents/teachers need to die, before you go “ok, maybe schools shouldn’t have opened”?
At what point does the death count actually have an influence on you? How many need to die? 500k? 1million? Half our population?

Less people died in Vietnam, on the other side of the world, fighting a war to put democracy in another country, and we pulled out because we couldn’t stand the loss of life.
Yet here, at home in our own country, people are dying, and your response is fuck it, which cares, let them die.

Well, it’s not your children, so who gives a shit, right?

That’s just mind boggling.

Way to go with the typical Leftist "Think of the kids you monster" bullshit. How many kids have died from Covid? Like 17 or younger in the US to be specific.

[Solkern]

Way to go with the typical Leftist "Think of the kids you monster" bullshit. How many kids have died from Covid? Like 17 or younger in the US to be specific.

Does it matter? How many kids does it take for it TO matter to you?

When kids start dying in school, how many need to die for it to matter to you?

And yeah, I have my OWN child. So yeah I think of the kids, sorry that you don’t have your own children, so you don’t quite understand.

[Solkern]

Way to go with the typical Leftist "Think of the kids you monster" bullshit. How many kids have died from Covid? Like 17 or younger in the US to be specific.

And you are still deflecting, I asked you a direct question, before... why don’t you answer it?

[Solkern]

No, it’s not a plan. Face it how? Go into details on what exactly “face it” means? Is it, if children get COVID, pass it to parents and grandparents and they die, tough shit? Let them die? When children start to die? Fuck it, tough shit, have more babies? Aren’t you pro-life? That doesn’t sound “pro-life” to me.

If frankly doesn’t matter if you think deaths are overblown, you still acknowledge deaths do happen, how many children/parents/teachers need to die, before you go “ok, maybe schools shouldn’t have opened”?
At what point does the death count actually have an influence on you? How many need to die? 500k? 1million? Half our population?

Less people died in Vietnam, on the other side of the world, fighting a war to put democracy in another country, and we pulled out because we couldn’t stand the loss of life.
Yet here, at home in our own country, people are dying, and your response is fuck it, which cares, let them die.

Well, it’s not your children, so who gives a shit, right?

That’s just mind boggling.

I’m waiting rocktar.
Or let me guess, deflect more and starting ranting about random shit that’s not related to my questions above?
You said face it. Please elaborate on what exactly that means.

[Tgo01]

Does it matter? How many kids does it take for it TO matter to you?

When kids start dying in school, how many need to die for it to matter to you?

And yeah, I have my OWN child. So yeah I think of the kids, sorry that you don’t have your own children, so you don’t quite understand.

Kids die to the flu each and every single year. Do we start shutting down schools for the entire flu season every year?

This is just absolute madness. It's a virus. People die from viruses. It sucks, but that's life. We have known about this for hundreds of years now yet this is the first time in history we have decided to turn the entire world upside down and actually suggest things like locking people in their homes for months on end and shutting down schools for months and possibly even years.

What's my solution for reopening schools? Reopen schools on time (MAYBE a few weeks later if schools aren't ready yet) and keep kids as safe as possible: masks, hand washing, physical distancing, etc etc etc etc etc. We know how viruses work.

[Solkern]

Kids die to the flu each and every single year. Do we start shutting down schools for the entire flu season every year?

This is just absolute madness. It's a virus. People die from viruses. It sucks, but that's life. We have known about this for hundreds of years now yet this is the first time in history we have decided to turn the entire world upside down and actually suggest things like locking people in their homes for months on end and shutting down schools for months and possibly even years.

What's my solution for reopening schools? Reopen schools on time (MAYBE a few weeks later if schools aren't ready yet) and keep kids as safe as possible: masks, hand washing, physical distancing, etc etc etc etc etc. We know how viruses work.

Can you spread the flu asymptomatically? No you can’t.
Can you spread coronavirus asymptomatically? Yes you can.
That’s a big difference.
You are still basing this information on a completely different virus.
So if a COVID-19 breaks out in a school, what’s your plan?

They followed your safety suggestions above in Indiana, within hours the school was shut down due to coronavirus.
So obviously your suggestions for keeping schools safe don’t work.
And you expect children to follow this? Because we all know they won’t. I mean shit, even adults don’t follow these rules!

[~Rocktar~]

Does it matter? How many kids does it take for it TO matter to you?

When kids start dying in school, how many need to die for it to matter to you?

And yeah, I have my OWN child. So yeah I think of the kids, sorry that you don’t have your own children, so you don’t quite understand.

You are employing a distraction tactic and no number I answer will satisfy you because you will start yelling about "think of the kids". I am playing your game so piss off.

Based on your intended argument, I am asking you, children die from other illnesses they get from school, how many are OK to die from that without closing schools? Kids die from auto wrecks, how many need to die before you forbid kids from riding in vehicles? Kids die from household accidents, how many kids have to die have to die before you ban kids from homes? What about kids that get Covid from relatives, want to bad those?

Seriously dude, fuck off. This disease isn't going away, no vaccine is perfect and we can't keep doing what we are doing.

[Tgo01]

Can you spread the flu asymptomatically? No you can’t.

Yes you can.

You can also spread the flu before you start showing symptoms.

If it were that easy to stop the flu we would have stopped it a long time ago.

Here I'll let Sheldon Cooper explain:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5UY8Xrg6ec

This is 3, Solkern. I expect better from you tomorrow.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm always thinking of the kids.

I'm always thinking, thank god I don't have any kids.

The I see other people's kids, and I think, man, I wish they didn't have kids either.

[~Rocktar~]

The I see other people's kids, and I think, man, I wish they didn't have kids either.

This is correct.

[Solkern]

Tgo, question for you.


When the experts at CDC and everyone else are begging for people to wear mask, your response is “Why can’t we have a comprehensive study to see it mask can really slow down the spread of coronavirus”..

When the same experts at the CDC, said we can open schools, why are you not asking for a comprehensive study regarding how COVID-19 could spread in schools, and you believe their recommendations, without any comprehensive study.

So which is it? Regarding the exact same experts: You believe experts without any question, or you don’t believe experts unless a study is in place? Because you are pushing schools to reopen, without any comprehensive study. Just going by what the CDC said previously. But at the same time you question the same experts about wearing a mask and asking for a comprehensive study.

Because this flip flopping is getting confusing.

[FlayedAngel]

I'm always thinking of the kids.

I'm always thinking, thank god I don't have any kids.

The I see other people's kids, and I think, man, I wish they didn't have kids either.

This is correct.
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[Parkbandit]

This is 3, Solkern. I expect better from you tomorrow.

You're expectations are way too high.

[Tgo01]

You're expectations are way too high.

:(