Totalitarian Trump!

[Seran]

“When somebody is president of the United States, the authority is total,” Trump said at the White House. “The governors know that.”


"The federal government has absolute power. As to whether I'll use that power, we'll see."


“The president of the United States calls the shots,” he said. “They can’t do anything without the approval of the president of the United States.”

In a stunning threat to the United States Constitution, the President yesterday claimed from the bully pulpit of the White House Briefing Room to have total control of the country, it's citizens and their rights.

This of course left Republicans and Democrats in the position to have to contradict our would be sovereign and point out the concept of Enumerated Powers as outlined by the 10th Amendment of the Constitution.

The questions many are asking, 'What legal authority is the President citing?', 'Who is it advising the President that he has the powers of a dictatorship?' We know that this statement was prepared, as Vice President followed up with his own bold assertion about the ultimate authority they personally invested in the Executive Branch.

Attacking the press, claiming powers not named in the Constitution, suppressing knowledge and experience by replacing experts with his sycophants and his children.. Perhaps the President truly thinks he's leading Venezuela or North Korea.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/14/trump-power-constitution-coronavirus/

https://apnews.com/ba9578acf23bdb03fd51a2b81f640560

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Surprised it took you this long.

[Tgo01]

Seran: Why didn't Trump shut down the entire country way back in December like his advisors told him to?!?!?!??!?!
Also Seran: Trump doesn't have the authority to close down the entire country!!! He's not a king!!!

Trump just played you and the fake ass media that give you your marching orders.

He beat you all like a drum and it's hilarious watching you morons fall for it time and time again.

Hear that everyone? We can officially stop blaming Trump for not shutting down the country earlier, Seran right here is admitting Trump doesn't have that kind of authority!

What a fucking tool bag.

[Seran]

Surprised it took you this long.

PTSD from all these daily briefings, took me awhile to process the fact our President is a megalomaniac.

[Tgo01]

PTSD from all these daily briefings, took me awhile to process the fact our President is a megalomaniac.

So Trump couldn't have shut down the country in December like you said he should have right? He's not king so he doesn't have that authority?

Come on, Seran, pick one!

Trump is a king therefore he should have shut down the country in December.
Trump is not a king therefore the fault is with the governors who didn't shut down their states, and NY is by far the biggest failure so Democrat leadership failed yet again.

[Seran]

Nonsense I made up.

Your ability to obsfucate is nearly unparalleled, exception of course for the subject of this article.

[Parkbandit]

In a stunning threat to the United States Constitution

Dude, why are you so dramatic?

So easily triggered.

[Parkbandit]

PTSD from all these daily briefings, took me awhile to process the fact our President is a megalomaniac.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/b84e1d219c39db1ec5c5ea2614ffdb63/tenor.gif?itemid=11652787

[Tgo01]

Your ability to obsfucate is nearly unparalleled, exception of course for the subject of this article.

Uh-oh! Seran is realizing he backed himself into a corner with this one!

[Seran]

This is going to be a fantastic topic for the Presidential debates. The President's glowing endorsements of authoritarian governments such as North Korea's Rocketman being a precursor to Trump's entry into attempted dictatorship.

[Neveragain]

This is going to be a fantastic topic for the Presidential debates. The President's glowing endorsements of authoritarian governments such as North Korea's Rocketman being a precursor to Trump's entry into attempted dictatorship.

Remember when the Democrats were saying that NK would start WW3?

Thankfully God Emperor Trump was in charge, like a miracle, there was no WW3.

https://harvey-mudd.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/safe_image.jpeg

[Seran]

Remember when the Democrats were saying that NK would start WW3?

Thankfully God Emperor Trump was in charge, like a miracle, there was no WW3.

https://harvey-mudd.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/safe_image.jpeg

Nope, I don't remember that. With North Korea still launching missiles and ordinance weekly, progressing at pace with their nuclear launch capabilities,. I'm sure Trump can claim massive success by waving around his love letters from Rocketman.

[Neveragain]

Nope, I don't remember that. With North Korea still launching missiles and ordinance weekly, progressing at pace with their nuclear launch capabilities,. I'm sure Trump can claim massive success by waving around his love letters from Rocketman.

They haven't tested a nuke since sep. 2017. They conducted 2 nuclear tests in 2016 and Barack Hussein Obama did nothing.

[Alfster]

If anyone not named Trump made those same claims y'all would be screaming impeachment.

He had no fundamental understanding of what he's doing.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

If anyone not named Trump made those same claims y'all would be screaming impeachment.

He had no fundamental understanding of what he's doing.

What claims did he make that were impeachable? I have not kept up with this thread really.


Edit: meant to say impeachable.

[Tgo01]

What claims did he make that were impeachable? I have not kept up with this thread really.


Edit: meant to say impeachable.

Trump said the president has complete authority of when the country reopens because it is considered a national emergency and every state and territory has declared an emergency but the fake news that Seran feeds from claim Trump said he has total authority period.

[SonoftheNorth]

In a stunning threat to the United States Constitution


So you are pro gun?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Trump said the president has complete authority of when the country reopens because it is considered a national emergency and every state and territory has declared an emergency but the fake news that Seran feeds from claim Trump said he has total authority period.

This is the same media and governors who said Trump should use his (complete) authority to have closed the country earlier? Is that what we are discussing, the 180 flip flop the media and governors have taken in the past couple of weeks?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Even so, still would like to know which part of that is impeachable. Maybe he had a call with a foreign country we could use FoIA and then try in the congress with no witnesses for like 9 or 10 weeks?

[Fortybox]

In a stunning threat to the United States Constitution, the President yesterday claimed from the bully pulpit of the White House Briefing Room to have total control of the country, it's citizens and their rights.

This of course left Republicans and Democrats in the position to have to contradict our would be sovereign and point out the concept of Enumerated Powers as outlined by the 10th Amendment of the Constitution.

The questions many are asking, 'What legal authority is the President citing?', 'Who is it advising the President that he has the powers of a dictatorship?' We know that this statement was prepared, as Vice President followed up with his own bold assertion about the ultimate authority they personally invested in the Executive Branch.

Attacking the press, claiming powers not named in the Constitution, suppressing knowledge and experience by replacing experts with his sycophants and his children.. Perhaps the President truly thinks he's leading Venezuela or North Korea.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/14/trump-power-constitution-coronavirus/

https://apnews.com/ba9578acf23bdb03fd51a2b81f640560

But Trump should have been the God King in closing down this country sooner!

Oh, and all of a sudden the left is concerned less about Big Government and more about the individual Governor's!

[Tgo01]

This is the same media and governors who said Trump should use his (complete) authority to have closed the country earlier? Is that what we are discussing, the 180 flip flop the media and governors have taken in the past couple of weeks?

Yup. Like I said earlier I think Trump (whether on purpose or not) just forced the media and people like Seran to admit that they now think Trump didn't have the authority to close the country so they can't blame him for not closing the country sooner because apparently that was always up to the governors.

Trump has no authority to tell the states when they can open back up but apparently Trump had all kinds of authority to shut them down in the first place, which makes absolutely no sense.

[Seran]

Trump has no authority to tell the states when they can open back up but apparently Trump had all kinds of authority to shut them down in the first place, which makes absolutely no sense.

You're absolutely right, Trump has absolutely no authority whatsoever to command the governor's to act. That's exactly what my first post stated and I'm glad you're in agreement.

The entirety of your thread and the almost bipolar amount of waffling on Trump's part of what he is and is not responsible for is not commanding the TSA to enact massive travel screening and mandatory quarantine in the beginning of January. Governor's cannot direct the TSA, only the President can and he failed.

[Tgo01]

You're absolutely right, Trump has absolutely no authority whatsoever to command the governor's to act. That's exactly what my first post stated and I'm glad you're in agreement.

The entirety of your thread and the almost bipolar amount of waffling on Trump's part of what he is and is not responsible for is not commanding the TSA to enact massive travel screening and mandatory quarantine in the beginning of January. Governor's cannot direct the TSA, only the President can and he failed.

So now you're crying is about TSA scanning passengers from China in December? You know NY got hit mostly by travelers from Europe right?

You just keep failing, Seran. Must be sad to be you.

[Seran]

So now you're crying is about TSA scanning passengers from China in December? You know NY got hit mostly by travelers from Europe right?


Again you've shown your ignorance by jumping to incorrect assumptions. Travel restrictions and quarantined should have been put into place for ALL travel from abroad in January, for citizens and non-citizens. Instead, the President, much like yourself, waited a month and directed the agency to only focus on one region of the world.

[Seran]

California today in coalition with other West Coast states have come up with a framework for relaxing the coronavirus restrictions.

Meanwhile, President Trump having no plan of his own, is busy at the Whitehouse announcing he'll talk to all the governor's to give them permission he has no authority to give in order to take credit for life-saving action taken by leaders with actual governing experience.

[Tgo01]

Again you've shown your ignorance by jumping to incorrect assumptions. Travel restrictions and quarantined should have been put into place for ALL travel from abroad in January, for citizens and non-citizens. Instead, the President, much like yourself, waited a month and directed the agency to only focus on one region of the world.

Keep moving them goalposts. Another week you'll be saying "Trump should have been scanning and quarantining all travel since the day after he was sworn in!!!!"

[Seran]

Trump said the president has complete authority of when the country reopens because it is considered a national emergency and every state and territory has declared an emergency but the fake news that Seran feeds from claim Trump said he has total authority period.

Trump has /no/ legal authority to countermand the executive orders of the states who issued shelter in place restrictions. This in no way delegates authority over state governance.

The Tenth Amendment clearly outlines States Rights. I'm sorry you don't understand that as Trump's biggest cheerleader on this forum, but it's useful being informed.

[Neveragain]

Trump has /no/ legal authority to countermand the executive orders of the states who issued shelter in place restrictions. This in no way delegates authority over state governance.

The Tenth Amendment clearly outlines States Rights. I'm sorry you don't understand that as Trump's biggest cheerleader on this forum, but it's useful being informed.

We're currently in a declared state of national emergency. This vastly increases God Emperor Trumps powers.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9e3a9b74582701da902f31ad3a869f74

[Seran]

We're currently in a declared state of national emergency. This vastly increases God Emperor Trumps powers.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9e3a9b74582701da902f31ad3a869f74

Vastly increases his ability to grant funding to States through the Emergency Powers Act, but thankfully in no way expands any authority over state's rights.

This whole episode, paired with the President's attempts to withhold highway and EPA funding to cow California into accepting the federal cafe standards is going to bring a fresh look into nullity.

[Seran]

The president has no power under existing law to countermand lawful orders from state governments, nor can he unilaterally force private businesses to open their doors against their will, legal experts say. The structure of the U.S. Constitution reserves considerable powers to the states, and gives individuals and businesses significant protections against coercive government actions.

“Some of the comments that I think the president made last night were breathtaking. The only thing that is clear is that these claims are not even aspirational,” said Jonathan Turley, a legal scholar at George Washington University. “They are incomprehensible under our constitutional system. A president does not have total authority over the states. The constitution was designed to deny that authority.”

Apparently even the Wall Street Journal is piling onto this bizarre claim by President Trump.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-legal-authority-to-overrule-governors-on-coronavirus-is-limited-11586891577

[Tgo01]

We get it already, the states failed by not closing down their states sooner. Thanks, NY!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Vastly increases his ability to grant funding to States through the Emergency Powers Act, but thankfully in no way expands any authority over state's rights.

Or Trump could just be like, fuck that State, let them figure it out OR do it my way with federal funding.

[Seran]

Or Trump could just be like, fuck that State, let them figure it out OR do it my way with federal funding.

He'd be doing his job in the first scenario. Cutting his political throat in the second.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

He'd be doing his job in the first scenario. Cutting his political throat in the second.

So you agree, he has juge power and it's absolute. Totally his decision, even if it hurts him politically.

[Seran]

So you agree, he has juge power and it's absolute. Totally his decision, even if it hurts him politically.

He can try and withhold funding from states to coerce compliance with his requests, but that will most certainly result in federal lawsuits. Such as those already pending over Trumps highway defunding in California. Such actions are /illegal/

The issue is enumerated powers. Powers specifically not granted by the Constitutions are reserved to the States.

[Tgo01]

He can try and withhold funding from states to coerce compliance with his requests, but that will most certainly result in federal lawsuits. Such as those already pending over Trumps highway defunding in California. Such actions are /illegal/

The issue is enumerated powers. Powers specifically not granted by the Constitutions are reserved to the States.

Give me a break. Congress and the president threaten to withhold funding all the time in order to get states to do what the federal government wants them to do.

Even your hero Obama threatened to withhold funding from schools who didn't allow grown men into the girl's bathrooms.

[Seran]

Give me a break. Congress and the president threaten to withhold funding all the time in order to get states to do what the federal government wants them to do.

Even your hero Obama threatened to withhold funding from schools who didn't allow grown men into the girl's bathrooms.

Over a Title 9 violation, yes. There's a huge difference between withholding funds for violation of laws and the President threatening to withhold healthcare funding because governors aren't delegating their independence.

[Seran]

Looks like someone booped Trump on the nose with a rolled up copy of the Constitution. Lesson learned Mr. President?


Hours after suggesting that the bipartisan concerns of governors about his assertion of power would amount to an insurrection, Trump abruptly reversed course Tuesday, saying he would leave it to governors to determine when and how to revive activity in their states. He said he likely would discuss his plans with governors on Thursday.

“The governors are responsible,” Trump said. “They have to take charge.”

[Tgo01]

Looks like someone booped Trump on the nose with a rolled up copy of the Constitution. Lesson learned Mr. President?

More like he already got morons like you and the media you get your marching orders from to admit that Trump couldn't have shut down the country in December like you morons keep saying.

You people fall for the bait each and every time.

Okay so now everyone can stop bitching that Trump didn't shut down the country in December because he's not a king right? Oh who am I kidding? You people have exactly zero shame, I give it 24 hours before the headlines are again filled with "Why didn't Trump act like a dictator in and shut the country down in December to save lives?!"

[Seran]

More like he already got morons like you and the media you get your marching orders from to admit that Trump couldn't have shut down the country in December like you morons keep saying.

You people fall for the bait each and every time.

Okay so now everyone can stop bitching that Trump didn't shut down the country in December because he's not a king right? Oh who am I kidding? You people have exactly zero shame, I give it 24 hours before the headlines are again filled with "Why didn't Trump act like a dictator in and shut the country down in December to save lives?!"

No, you're confusing failing to take action as President to protect our citizens with a misguided attempt to co-opt states rights under the Federal Executive.

Trump is still going to get dragged through the mud over failing to act and spending all of his energy in January calling Covid-19 a hoax with his FoxNews deniers.

[Tgo01]

Seran, you lost. It's okay. I would think you would be use to it by now.

[Seran]

With Conservative Republicans now trampling the Constitution in the support of an authoritarian President whose stoking fear and civil disobedience, one has to wonder; if the President loses re-election, will he refuse to leave office.

Without a doubt, President Trump has violated several tenants of the Constitution. Separation of powers, House Oversight, Equal Protections, Emoluments violations.. All the while the radical right has been empowered and encouraged to rise up against our duly elected State leaders by the man sworn to protect and uphold the Constitution.

My prediction is November 2020 will result in a legally elected Democratic President. Trump will refuse to step down until the Supreme Court steps in to certify the election. Then the next eight years will be spent defining the powers of the Executive Branch to prevent it from happening again.

[Parkbandit]

With Conservative Republicans now trampling the Constitution in the support of an authoritarian President whose stoking fear and civil disobedience, one has to wonder; if the President loses re-election, will he refuse to leave office.

Without a doubt, President Trump has violated several tenants of the Constitution. Separation of powers, House Oversight, Equal Protections, Emoluments violations.. All the while the radical right has been empowered and encouraged to rise up against our duly elected State leaders by the man sworn to protect and uphold the Constitution.

My prediction is November 2020 will result in a legally elected Democratic President. Trump will refuse to step down until the Supreme Court steps in to certify the election. Then the next eight years will be spent defining the powers of the Executive Branch to prevent it from happening again.

Hahahaahahahahahaa.. quoted for posterity.

You're really stupid. Grats on your new title, you triggered little bitch.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Hahahaahahahahahaa.. quoted for posterity.

You're really stupid. Grats on your new title, you triggered little bitch.

Yeah I read this earlier and was thinking the same thing. That's full on fucking crazy.

[Wrathbringer]

With Conservative Republicans now trampling the Constitution in the support of an authoritarian President whose stoking fear and civil disobedience, one has to wonder; if the President loses re-election, will he refuse to leave office.

Without a doubt, President Trump has violated several tenants of the Constitution. Separation of powers, House Oversight, Equal Protections, Emoluments violations.. All the while the radical right has been empowered and encouraged to rise up against our duly elected State leaders by the man sworn to protect and uphold the Constitution.

My prediction is November 2020 will result in a legally elected Democratic President. Trump will refuse to step down until the Supreme Court steps in to certify the election. Then the next eight years will be spent defining the powers of the Executive Branch to prevent it from happening again.

You're retarded.

[Seran]

Without a doubt cases of fraud would result from the Payroll Protection Program and emergency SBA loans. But as more and more cases emerge of prosecutions and investigations of mismanagement and fraud, how can our country support a president who fired an experienced inspector general responsible for overseeing the program?


Reality star allegedly spent $1.5 million from federal small business program on jewelry, Rolls-Royce

https://www.chron.com/news/article/Reality-star-allegedly-spent-1-5-million-from-15275375.php

[~Rocktar~]

Without a doubt cases of fraud would result from the Payroll Protection Program and emergency SBA loans. But as more and more cases emerge of prosecutions and investigations of mismanagement and fraud, how can our country support a president who fired an experienced solicitors general responsible for overseeing the program?



https://www.chron.com/news/article/Reality-star-allegedly-spent-1-5-million-from-15275375.php

"Experienced" does not mean they are not corrupt or horribly politically biased. Both of those conditions are disqualifiers for the position.

[RichardCranium]

This is going to be a fantastic topic for the Presidential debates.

You think Biden is capable of a gotcha moment during a debate?

[Candor]

My prediction is November 2020 will result in a legally elected Democratic President. Trump will refuse to step down until the Supreme Court steps in to certify the election.

My prediction is November 2020 will result in President Trump being reelected by the exact same electoral count and distribution as in the 2016 election. He will lose the popular vote by as much as 4 million votes, but of course that won't mean squat.

[~Rocktar~]

You think Biden is capable of a gotcha moment during a debate?

Only if it involves him needing Depends.

[Ashlander]

Only if it involves him needing Depends.

A shart off you mean?

[Seran]

You think Biden is capable of a gotcha moment during a debate?

I was just talking about this to some friends. I think if he is aggressive in confronting Trump during his rebuttals than yes. If the same folks who advised Hillary to wear a condescending smirk in lieu of engaging when out, then no.

Biden showed us during the primaries that he has the ability to rebut. He's not as off the cuff with insults and attacks as Trump, but he'll hold his own

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Can you imagine the butthurt when Trump nominates the next supreme court judge? OMG I CANNOT WAIT!!!

[Tgo01]

Can you imagine the butthurt when Trump nominates the next supreme court judge? OMG I CANNOT WAIT!!!

If you thought the Kavanaugh confirmation was a shit show, just wait until Trump potentially turns SCOTUS 6-3.

I sure hope they trot out #MeToo for that confirmation as well, especially if Trump nominates a woman, or better yet a gay man. Suddenly all gays are pedophiles.

[Seran]

Can you imagine the butthurt when Trump nominates the next supreme court judge? OMG I CANNOT WAIT!!!

Is there a Supreme Court Justice retiring in the next six months?

[~Rocktar~]

Is there a Supreme Court Justice retiring in the next six months?

Not unless RoboRuth is attacked by a massive gang of drug dealers, some genuine constitutional law or the dreaded Covid and OCP refuses to pay for repair and spare parts.

[RichardCranium]

Is there a Supreme Court Justice retiring in the next six months?

You can thank the DNC for four more years of Trump.

[Seran]

You can thank the DNC for four more years of Trump.

The only four years for that man are in federal prison

[~Rocktar~]

The only four years for that man are in federal prison

So what federal crime are you hallucinating that he committed other than beating Killary out of "her turn"?

[Seran]

So what federal crime are you hallucinating that he committed other than beating Killary out of "her turn"?

Obstruction of justice, campaign finance violations, bribery.

[Tgo01]

If CNN were a person they would be Seran.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Obstruction of justice, campaign finance violations, bribery.

Man, sounds like there would be news about that stuff.

[Seran]

Man, sounds like there would be news about that stuff.

There's been plenty of news. But if you're not aware, the President has been telling people to drink bleach and resist their governments. Pretty powerful stuff

[Parkbandit]

I was just talking about this to some friends. I think if he is aggressive in confronting Trump during his rebuttals than yes. If the same folks who advised Hillary to wear a condescending smirk in lieu of engaging when out, then no.

Biden showed us during the primaries that he has the ability to rebut. He's not as off the cuff with insults and attacks as Trump, but he'll hold his own

He didn't win a single primary debate by any metric against a bunch of losers.

You're fooling yourself.

[Parkbandit]

Can you imagine the butthurt when Trump nominates the next supreme court judge? OMG I CANNOT WAIT!!!

B-I-N-G-O

[Parkbandit]

The only four years for that man are in federal prison

Damn son.. you are triggered.

Thank you.

[Seran]

Here as go again. The President is now interfering on the investigation of improper or illegal actions by Secretary Pompeo by firing another inspector's general without cause.


Trump's firing of the inspector general investigating Mike Pompeo grows even more suspicious.

WASHINGTON - In the growing series of President Donald Trump's controversial removals of inspectors general, the firing of State Department IG Steve Linick might be the most problematic. Linick, we've come to find out, had been investigating Attorney General Mike Pompeo personally, as well as a major decision Pompeo had approved on an arms deal with Saudi Arabia. And both the White House and Pompeo have said the removal of Linick was Pompeo's call.

https://www.greenwichtime.com/news/article/Trump-s-firing-of-the-inspector-general-15280475.php

[Furryrat]

Here as go again. The President is now interfering on the investigation of improper or illegal actions by Secretary Pompeo by firing another inspector's general without cause.[/url]

The cause has been stated to be this IG was just another of the Obama-appointed sleepers recently activated to stir up dissent and interfere in the natural process of our upcoming election. The impropriety leading to this unconfirmed investigation was having a subordinate wash his dishes. Grow up.

The Saudi 'arms deal' was negotiated publicly in 2017 and purchases have been ongoing since, you know, because Saudi Arabia is the largest arms purchaser in the world and routinely buys US arms for obvious reasons. More fake news.

[Seran]

The cause has been stated to be this IG was just another of the Obama-appointed sleepers recently activated to stir up dissent and interfere in the natural process of our upcoming election. The impropriety leading to this unconfirmed investigation was having a subordinate wash his dishes. Grow up.

The Saudi 'arms deal' was negotiated publicly in 2017 and purchases have been ongoing since, you know, because Saudi Arabia is the largest arms purchaser in the world and routinely buys US arms for obvious reasons. More fake news.

By all means, let's throw out transparency and independent inspector general's because a President ironically feels his crackpot theories on bias supercede the law. The president can add Transparency to his current list of wars on; Press, Congress, Science

[Seran]

Trump was all for this same inspector's general when he found Hillary acted improperly in the usage of a private email server. Ironic how folks become expandable when they threaten your cronyism or lawbreaking.

[Solkern]

the real question is, why are IG's who if i remember correctly, are to stop another watergate from happening, able to be fired by the president? kind of defeats the purpose, does it not?

[Seran]

the real question is, why are IG's who if i remember correctly, are to stop another watergate from happening, able to be fired by the president? kind of defeats the purpose, does it not?

Dealings such as Watergate, Iran-Contra, Lewinsky, highlight the need for independent review. It's a pity that the current Republican party has become to corrupt

[Furryrat]

the real question is, why are IG's who if i remember correctly, are to stop another watergate from happening, able to be fired by the president? kind of defeats the purpose, does it not?

There's a problem with him firing someone and then having the merits of that decision investigated should it be deemed improper? Isn't that ...checks and balances? It's rather odd to argue for the very thing that you would argue against.

The President has the authority to terminate most appointed officials. It was done publicly for Friday night prime time television, and if something comes of it, so be it.

The only real threat to democracy that I've seen lately is the Obama's administrations clear, and now irrefutably proven in declassified transcripts, attempts to intentionally destabilize the incoming Trump presidency. These corrupt acts were planned and orchestrated with Obama's cronies in his cabinet, including Joe Biden. One of the greatest absurdities in this country is that an outgoing president has almost 3 months to obstruct the incoming administration before leaving office. Almost all other democratic nations have an interim government installed to oversee the transfer to prevent exactly that.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Dealings such as Watergate, Iran-Contra, Lewinsky, highlight the need for independent review. It's a pity that the current Republican party has become to corrupt

Huh? What do you think has been going on since before Trump was inaugurated? He's been investigated from day one. Also, you do know that independent reviews occur all the time, and MOST end up with diddly squat. Also, set aside your retarded partisanship. BOTH parties are fully corrupt.

[Methais]

How did I not notice this thread for a month? Now I have to catch up on more excessive Seran fail and butthurt and I'm too lazy right now.

[Methais]

This is going to be a fantastic topic for the Presidential debates. The President's glowing endorsements of authoritarian governments such as North Korea's Rocketman being a precursor to Trump's entry into attempted dictatorship.

This already hasn't aged well. :lol:

[Methais]

Again you've shown your ignorance by jumping to incorrect assumptions. Travel restrictions and quarantined should have been put into place for ALL travel from abroad in January, for citizens and non-citizens. Instead, the President, much like yourself, waited a month and directed the agency to only focus on one region of the world.

This is the most incredible case of TDS I have ever witnessed.

Even worse than Backlash + time4sharts combined.

Short of you quitting posting altogether, it's gonna take a lot for a new retard champ to overthrow you.

[Seran]

Huh? What do you think has been going on since before Trump was inaugurated? He's been investigated from day one. Also, you do know that independent reviews occur all the time, and MOST end up with diddly squat. Also, set aside your retarded partisanship. BOTH parties are fully corrupt.

Investigations happen as a result of illegal actions, and this president can reliably he said to violate repeatedly. Were you this vocal in support of the Nixon breakin at the Watergate? Because I'm starting to think your particular brand of partisanship would interpret those innocent young men as being lost while looking for paper clips and the recorded Whitehouse statements being hyperbole.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Investigations happen as a result of illegal actions

In this single statement, you've already convicted everyone who has ever been investigated.

And how fucking old do you think I am?

[Seran]

In this single statement, you've already convicted everyone who has ever been investigated.

And how fucking old do you think I am?

Old enough to form an opinion, hopefully enough to understand sarcasm as well.

What's mystifying is that while you cede the President has been investigated heavily since his inauguration, you seem to imply innocence on the President's part simply because in your opinion, investigations result in diddly squat.

Do you or do you not think there are legitimate grounds for investigation.

Do you believe independent agencies and Congress by law have an obligation to investigate possible criminal acts or corruption.

Do you cede any relevance whatsoever in the President firing an inspector general involved in investigating possible unethical or illegal actions taken by his administration?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Old enough to form an opinion, hopefully enough to understand sarcasm as well.

Oh, so you were being sarcastic? I don't believe you.


Do you or do you not think there are legitimate grounds for investigation. Sure.


Do you believe independent agencies and Congress by law have an obligation to investigate possible criminal acts or corruption. Absolutely.


Do you cede any relevance whatsoever in the President firing an inspector general involved in investigating possible unethical or illegal actions taken by his administration? Nope. I think history has shown that Trump fires a fuckton of people. He even made a show about it.

Now you.

1-Do you believe 3+ years of investigation that has revealed nothing except democratic partisan witch hunt politics is enough?

2-Do you believe that after those 3+ years of investigation, and nothing sticking to Trump, exonerates him?

3-When you answered no to #2, do you not believe in the rule of law?

4-When you said yes to #3, why do you continue to assume he's guilty?

[Alfster]

What's weird is he's now removed two I.G.s who were investigating pompeo and McConnell's wife.

[Tgo01]

Here as go again. The President is now interfering on the investigation of improper or illegal actions by Secretary Pompeo by firing another inspector's general without cause.



https://www.greenwichtime.com/news/article/Trump-s-firing-of-the-inspector-general-15280475.php

You really have to admire just how retarded Seran is.

Trump fired someone which is totally in his authority to fire? “OMG! Totalitarian Trump!!!!!”

Democrats governors literally having people arrested for visiting friends, opening their business, or going to the beach? “Perfectly reasonable.”

[Tgo01]

What's weird is he's now removed two I.G.s who were investigating pompeo and McConnell's wife.

This IG was “investigating” if Pompeo was having a staffer walk his dog and pick up his dry cleaning. Give me a break.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

If I was a presidential appointee... I'd have staffers walk my fucking dogs and get my groceries and get my dry cleaning.

Or I'd have a 30K fridge full of ice cream from a super elite high end ice cream faggot parlor.

[Seran]

Oh, so you were being sarcastic? I don't believe you.

[QUOTE]Nope. I think history has shown that Trump fires a fuckton of people. He even made a show about it.

Being known as the guy on Appreciate doesn't give one a free reign in destroying the independence of the Department of Justice of Office of the Inspectors General. A President must show integrity and wisdom, both of which would stand up unerringly to investigation if properly exercised. The crook we have in the Whitehouse has neither.

Now you.


1-Do you believe 3+ years of investigation that has revealed nothing except democratic partisan witch hunt politics is enough?

I don't agree in the slightest. I see a President who has willfully engaged in perjury, obstruction of justice and injuries to separation of powers. That is nothing however to the damage done to our single most important laws, those enshrined in the Bill of Rights. Trump has no respect for the Constitution.


2-Do you believe that after those 3+ years of investigation, and nothing sticking to Trump, exonerates him?

Again, not at all. Anyone not exempt from criminal prosecution would be sitting in a prison cell for perjury and obstruction. Just because he can lie, ignore subpoenas and co-opt Senate Republicans doesn't exonerate him.


3-When you answered no to #2, do you not believe in the rule of law?

Proving that constitutional checks and balances are broken proves only that the Executive, when acting in concert with a handful of corrupt members of Congress, cannot be held accountable. Something which I wholly expect Democrats to point out when they're back in power.


4-When you said yes to #3, why do you continue to assume he's guilty?

For the same reasons as cited above. The Mueller Report pointed out that the President couldn't be exonerated and were it not for the counsel's office opinion that the President couldn't be adjudged without a violation of due process due to implied sovereignty, this dude would likely be in the sentencing phase of his own trial.

Now, aside from your remarkable insight into my point of view, I have to ask, why you think he is innocent? We saw a farce of a Senate impeachment trial as a result of conservative Republicans ignoring their constitutional obligation to enforce, to demand testimony. The smokescreen argument the President used to claim he had no obligation to answer spurious charges is a direct contradiction of the Rule of Law. Anyone but the President would have been held in contempt for failing to comply with a legal subpoena.

At the end of the day, you can thank this Senate which will set a precedent which will haunt Republicans until the end of days.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

So basically you are saying, no matter what, he's guilty. Despite rule of law. Despite innocent until proven guilty. Gotcha.

PS - the answer to everything your partisan ass says - Harry Reid.

[Ashlander]

So basically you are saying, no matter what, he's guilty. Despite rule of law. Despite innocent until proven guilty. Gotcha.

PS - the answer to everything your partisan ass says - Harry Reid.

I truly wonder if he even believes the shit he types or if he just likes trying to get a rise out of people. Ladies and gentlemen, your Champion!

[Methais]

Is there a Supreme Court Justice retiring in the next six months?

That depends on your definition of retire. If you mean permanently retiring from life, then probably.

[Seran]

So basically you are saying, no matter what, he's guilty. Despite rule of law. Despite innocent until proven guilty. Gotcha.

PS - the answer to everything your partisan ass says - Harry Reid.

In set of posts citing over and over violations of separation of powers and obstruction, you absolutely failed to see there was absolutely no acknowledgment of the rule of law. That is my point

[Methais]

Seran has finally become so unhinged that he’s become a parody of himself.

You win the Golden Backlash Award.

[beldannon5]

Has Trump declared himself dictator yet and never going to leave the office? I may have missed it? Have the democrats totally gone insane. Oh wait that we know for sure

[Parkbandit]

[QUOTE=Suppa Hobbit Mage;2150957]Oh, so you were being sarcastic? I don't believe you.



Being known as the guy on Appreciate doesn't give one a free reign in destroying the independence of the Department of Justice of Office of the Inspectors General. A President must show integrity and wisdom, both of which would stand up unerringly to investigation if properly exercised. The crook we have in the Whitehouse has neither.

Now you.



I don't agree in the slightest. I see a President who has willfully engaged in perjury, obstruction of justice and injuries to separation of powers. That is nothing however to the damage done to our single most important laws, those enshrined in the Bill of Rights. Trump has no respect for the Constitution.



Again, not at all. Anyone not exempt from criminal prosecution would be sitting in a prison cell for perjury and obstruction. Just because he can lie, ignore subpoenas and co-opt Senate Republicans doesn't exonerate him.



Proving that constitutional checks and balances are broken proves only that the Executive, when acting in concert with a handful of corrupt members of Congress, cannot be held accountable. Something which I wholly expect Democrats to point out when they're back in power.



For the same reasons as cited above. The Mueller Report pointed out that the President couldn't be exonerated and were it not for the counsel's office opinion that the President couldn't be adjudged without a violation of due process due to implied sovereignty, this dude would likely be in the sentencing phase of his own trial.

Now, aside from your remarkable insight into my point of view, I have to ask, why you think he is innocent? We saw a farce of a Senate impeachment trial as a result of conservative Republicans ignoring their constitutional obligation to enforce, to demand testimony. The smokescreen argument the President used to claim he had no obligation to answer spurious charges is a direct contradiction of the Rule of Law. Anyone but the President would have been held in contempt for failing to comply with a legal subpoena.

At the end of the day, you can thank this Senate which will set a precedent which will haunt Republicans until the end of days.

Jesus... Trump really has damaged you.

I mean you've always been low IQ.. but this is just.. sad....

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YfKMHynt6t4/XHUb8xgeOzI/AAAAAAABbEY/dKGbbBBYQIorsg_GrYxiZGL0tF1ehljgwCLcBGAs/s1600/trump%2BMAGA.gif

[Parkbandit]

Has Trump declared himself dictator yet and never going to leave the office? I may have missed it? Have the democrats totally gone insane. Oh wait that we know for sure

Most of them have always been insane... they just hid it better.

One good thing about Trump.. he really illustrates how fucking stupid most Democrats are.

[Parkbandit]

Seran has finally become so unhinged that he’s become a parody of himself.

You win the Golden Backlash Award.

I don't even want to think what that award trophy looks like... jesus...

[Ashlander]

I don't even want to think what that award trophy looks like... jesus...
https://cdn.trendhunterstatic.com/phpthumbnails/36/36636/36636_1_600.jpeg

[Tgo01]

Trump has ordered his administration to cut as many regulations as possible to spur job creation and economic growth.
Trump has left it up to the states to determine when to close down and when to open up.

Trump is reducing the federal government's power during a worldwide emergency, while Democrats in congress and Democrat governors all across the nation try to grab as much power as possible, and yet it's Trump that is the tyrant and Democrats the ones that want to save us.

Seran is easily the most ridiculous person on the PC.

[Methais]

https://cdn.trendhunterstatic.com/phpthumbnails/36/36636/36636_1_600.jpeg

This is correct.

[Alfster]

This IG was “investigating” if Pompeo was having a staffer walk his dog and pick up his dry cleaning. Give me a break.

Arms deal with Saudi too.

[~Rocktar~]

Arms deal with Saudi too.

So we sell arms to the Saudis all the time, it hasn't been some secret arms deal like dropping arms to Al Quadah linked groups in Syria so what is the supposed offense?

[Methais]

Arms deal with Saudi too.

Arms deals can't walk dogs.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/98d5851b7fe8704e5155dac22905d5ed/tenor.gif?itemid=5699289

[Alfster]

So we sell arms to the Saudis all the time, it hasn't been some secret arms deal like dropping arms to Al Quadah linked groups in Syria so what is the supposed offense?

You'd have to ask the investigator. I'm not sure, might be a whole lot of nothing. Might be something. Plenty of conspiracy stories out there, but I'll wait to hold judgment

[Methais]

You'd have to ask the investigator. I'm not sure, might be a whole lot of nothing. Might be something. Plenty of conspiracy stories out there, but I'll wait to hold judgment

So far every investigation has been a whole lot of nothing.

Weird how they keep finding new things to investigate to find nothing over.

[Alfster]

Howd those Hillary investigations go again? Politically motivated investigations go no where.

[Methais]

Howd those Hillary investigations go again? Politically motivated investigations go no where.

Yes, I agree with you that all these Trump investigations are also politically motivated.

[Alfster]

But not the Hillary ones. Got it. How much did they drum up on her again? She even showed up to the hearings.

[Ashlander]

But not the Hillary ones. Got it. How much did they drum up on her again? She even showed up to the hearings.

Might want to reread what he wrote.

[Methais]

But not the Hillary ones. Got it. How much did they drum up on her again? She even showed up to the hearings.

Right, because the Clintons being untouchable is a brand new concept and all.

[Solkern]

Right, because the Clintons being untouchable is a brand new concept and all.

Couldn’t you say the same thing about Trump? Being untouchable that is.

[Seran]

Couldn’t you say the same thing about Trump? Being untouchable that is.

Only if your only metric is cowering in fear in your bedroom, while QQing all over Twitter about the injustice of it all. Hillary went through three hearings on Benghazi alone and walked out looking like a Champ. The President however, couldn't be bothered to follow the rule of law.

[Seran]

Speaking of politically motivated investigations. It's nice to see Senate Republicans doing their part to throw shade on Vice President Biden.


Senate panel approves subpoena in Hunter Biden probe

WASHINGTON -- A Senate committee has voted to issue a subpoena as part of its investigation into former Vice President Joe Biden’s son, a move that met immediate opposition from Democrats who said the panel should be focused on overseeing the federal response to the coronavirus pandemic.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/senate-panel-approves-subpoena-hunter-biden-probe-70791915?cid=clicksource_4380645_3_mobile_web_only _headlines_headlines_hed

[Tgo01]

Gotta love piece of shit Democrats.

What were Democrats doing while Trump the virus was spreading around the planet and Trump was trying to slow its spread? That's right, they were jerking each other off impeaching Trump.

Now that the Senate wants to dare investigate a Democrat they tell Republicans to focus on the virus.

The worst part is dipshits such as Seran just can't see how they are being used. Because they are brainless morons who feel better about themselves thinking they are voting for the "good" party.

"Look at me! I vote Democrat therefore I'm a good person because I can't possibly be racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, or hateful in any way!"

[Solkern]

Gotta love piece of shit Democrats.

What were Democrats doing while Trump the virus was spreading around the planet and Trump was trying to slow its spread? That's right, they were jerking each other off impeaching Trump.

Now that the Senate wants to dare investigate a Democrat they tell Republicans to focus on the virus.

The worst part is dipshits such as Seran just can't see how they are being used. Because they are brainless morons who feel better about themselves thinking they are voting for the "good" party.

"Look at me! I vote Democrat therefore I'm a good person because I can't possibly be racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, or hateful in any way!"

according to Trump, the virus wasn't a problem at all, he repeatedly said that well after the impeachment hearing concluded and never mentioned it once during that entire period of time.

pretty sure he implemented the coronavirus travel ban some time in March? impeachment trial ended February 5th.
so how was Trump trying to slow down the virus during the impeachment or even right afterwards? Took him well over a month to finally do something.
Trump also went golfing 3 times between the end of the impeachment and his first travel ban. Seems like he was really working hard to stop the spread. 3 times in a month, while a virus was spreading all around the world.

[~Rocktar~]

according to Trump, the virus wasn't a problem at all, he repeatedly said that well after the impeachment hearing concluded and never mentioned it once during that entire period of time.

pretty sure he implemented the coronavirus travel ban some time in March? impeachment trial ended February 5th.
so how was Trump trying to slow down the virus during the impeachment or even right afterwards? Took him well over a month to finally do something.
Trump also went golfing 3 times between the end of the impeachment and his first travel ban. Seems like he was really working hard to stop the spread. 3 times in a month, while a virus was spreading all around the world.

Wrong. February 2 for ban from China. Want to try some other argument?

[Solkern]

Wrong. February 2 for ban from China. Want to try some other argument?

Yup you’re right, the date I found was the ban for Europe.

Doesn’t change the fact that like Tg01 said.. the Dems were having a circle jerk about the impeachment, But at the same time Trump went golfing.

[Seran]

Wrong. February 2 for ban from China. Want to try some other argument?

Actually it's highly disingenuous to call it a ban as there are plenty for are exempt from the travel restrictions.


NYT: Nearly 40k flew to U.S. from China after Trump's coronavirus travel ban

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/coronavirus-trump-china-travel-ban-45a2da12-8063-4ad9-ba28-61cdeb1ce0b3.html

[Tgo01]

according to Trump, the virus wasn't a problem at all, he repeatedly said that well after the impeachment hearing concluded and never mentioned it once during that entire period of time.

A) He was going by China's word, we now know they were lying sacks of shit.
B) He was going by WHO's word, we now know they were also lying sacks of shit.
C) And yet he still setup a task force to handle the situation.
D) What more resembles taking the virus seriously: creating a task force and closing down travel to China...or impeaching the president?
E) Stop already.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Speaking of politically motivated investigations. It's nice to see Senate Republicans doing their part to throw shade on Vice President Biden.

Is this more the same "Do as I say (don't look at democrats and their shady dealings, it's all about the pandemic) and not as I do (investigate trump for 3+ years, impeach him during a pandemic).

[~Rocktar~]

Actually it's highly disingenuous to call it a ban as there are plenty for are exempt from the travel restrictions.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/coronavirus-trump-china-travel-ban-45a2da12-8063-4ad9-ba28-61cdeb1ce0b3.html

https://i.imgur.com/jDBr2RIh.jpg

[Solkern]

A) He was going by China's word, we now know they were lying sacks of shit.
B) He was going by WHO's word, we now know they were also lying sacks of shit.
C) And yet he still setup a task force to handle the situation.
D) What more resembles taking the virus seriously: creating a task force and closing down travel to China...or impeaching the president?
E) Stop already.


A) when has China EVER been honest?! Even trump has said multiple times before that China can’t be trusted, now all of a sudden you want to trust them?
B) Yes, who fucked up, they were going based off China, and please refer to A about China.
C) a task force that did what exactly? Can you show me what they accomplished?
D) What more important, leading the country during a virus pandemic, or playing golf 3 times within a month. (If I remember right, didn’t he say he would be too busy to play golf, if he became president?)

I won’t dispute you on the fact that the Dems fucked up. They did. But don’t act like Trump’s hands are clean.

You said Trump did all this, all of this while the Dems were having a circle jerk over impeachment, so obviously what they were doing didn’t interfere in what he could have done and did do.

[Tgo01]

A) when has China EVER been honest?! Even trump has said multiple times before that China can’t be trusted, now all of a sudden you want to trust them?

To be fair I've known for years now that Democrats have lost their minds but I never in a million years thought they would politicize a pandemic and start counting drug overdose deaths as Wuhan virus deaths to pad the numbers. Point is you might know someone is a complete piece of shit but think "Naww, even they can't be THAT bad." Now we all know the depravity of both the Democrat party and the Communist China Party.


B) Yes, who fucked up, they were going based off China, and please refer to A about China.

I think WHO being owned by China came as a surprise to everyone except for WHO and China.


C) a task force that did what exactly? Can you show me what they accomplished?

Monitored the situation, gave policy updates, recommended mask usage, travel restrictions, social distancing, closing down the economy, that's just off the top of my head.


D) What more important, leading the country during a virus pandemic, or playing golf 3 times within a month.

He's not playing golf. To my knowledge he has only left the White House a handful of times since his last rally in March and those times were to visit factories and see that one hospital ship off.

[Solkern]

To be fair I've known for years now that Democrats have lost their minds but I never in a million years thought they would politicize a pandemic and start counting drug overdose deaths as Wuhan virus deaths to pad the numbers. Point is you might know someone is a complete piece of shit but think "Naww, even they can't be THAT bad." Now we all know the depravity of both the Democrat party and the Communist China Party.

He's not playing golf. To my knowledge he has only left the White House a handful of times since his last rally in March and those times were to visit factories and see that one hospital ship off.


Your first answer had nothing to do with what I wrote.
When did we EVER trust China? Or think they are an honest country? I think everyone here will agree that China has always been lying sacks of shit.

https://trumpgolfcount.com/displayoutings

There’s a list of his golf outings. Since January, he went golfing 9+times (12 total but I included the 3 days in a row as a one time golf outing)

[Tgo01]

Your first answer had nothing to do with what I wrote.

My reply had everything to do with your post and I even explained why.


There’s a list of his golf outings. Since January, he went golfing 9+times (12 total but I included the 3 days in a row as a one time golf outing)

Yeah and like I said he hasn't been golfing since March.

These Trump golf tracking sites are always funny because as they show Trump almost always (with a few exceptions) is golfing on weekends and one week in August. What an asshole to have a hobby on the weekend.

[Solkern]

My reply had everything to do with your post and I even explained why.



Yeah and like I said he hasn't been golfing since March.

These Trump golf tracking sites are always funny because as they show Trump almost always (with a few exceptions) is golfing on weekends and one week in August. What an asshole to have a hobby on the weekend.


first of all, China has done this before, with the previous viruses that came out of there, China has a long standing record on Abuse, and every other non-humane thing you can think of, such Tiananmen Square, the Uyghurs and many many more and yet here you are, thinking they are going to be honest about this? You are probably the only one, everyone else knew they were lying the entire time about this pandemic.

I mean hell, in January, maybe late December, we knew the police brought the doctor that first wrote about this virus in WeChat, to shut him up. That should have been the first sign that China was going to lie again, like they always do.

China gave us zero reason at any point to trust them, and to have WHO protect China just made it worse, I honestly think China just lied and gave false information to The WHO

[Solkern]

These Trump golf tracking sites are always funny because as they show Trump almost always (with a few exceptions) is golfing on weekends and one week in August. What an asshole to have a hobby on the weekend.

I don’t mind the golfing, but to say “I’m not going to golf, I won’t have the time to golf if I become president”
To shit on Obama because he was golfing, don’t you think with a world wide pandemic going on, golfing is the last thing he should be doing?

[Tgo01]

don’t you think with a world wide pandemic going on, golfing is the last thing he should be doing?

...and once again he hasn't been golfing since March 8th according to your own link. On March 8th the US had a total of 541 confirmed cases. Let's just calm down a bit here.

[Solkern]

...and once again he hasn't been golfing since March 8th according to your own link. On March 8th the US had a total of 541 confirmed cases. Let's just calm down a bit here.

So using that same logic that you just used, why are you giving Democrats shit for the circle jerk of impeachment? There were only 541 cases. By March 8th, pretty sure impeachment was behind them, and they were full swing on the propaganda machine of this virus.

[Tgo01]

So using that same logic that you just used, why are you giving Democrats shit for the circle jerk of impeachment? There were only 541 cases.

I'm actually not, I think a few weeks ago I even said I gave the federal government as a whole a pass in regards to this shit and placed the blame on governors (more specifically NY and to a lesser extent NJ.)

I'm pointing out Democrats being pieces of shit about this now saying "Nooooooo! You can't investigate the Bidens in the middle of a pandemic!" Even though when this shit started to spread they were in the middle of impeaching Trump even while Trump was the one putting together a task force.

Democrats don't get to have it both ways anymore, they've been getting away with that shit for years.

IF the Democrat party were decent people (HHAHAHAHAHA I know, but stick with me here for a minute) and in the beginning of the year they said "Oh shit, a virus from China might come to the US and kill Americans? Let's call off this sham impeachment and work together for the good of the American people" THEN I would take their nonsense about investigating the Bidens seriously.

[Solkern]

Gotta love piece of shit Democrats.

What were Democrats doing while Trump the virus was spreading around the planet and Trump was trying to slow its spread? That's right, they were jerking each other off impeaching Trump.

Now that the Senate wants to dare investigate a Democrat they tell Republicans to focus on the virus.

The worst part is dipshits such as Seran just can't see how they are being used. Because they are brainless morons who feel better about themselves thinking they are voting for the "good" party.

"Look at me! I vote Democrat therefore I'm a good person because I can't possibly be racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, or hateful in any way!"


You JUST gave them shit right here.

Granted, if the Biden’s do deserve an investigation, they should do what they did to Trump, and investigate him, pandemic or no pandemic, but also, like you said 541 cases by March 8th, not a big deal at that moment like you said... over 1.5m now, economy completely shut down... . stakes are a little different, wouldn’t you say?

[Tgo01]

You JUST gave them shit right here.

I literally just explained this to you. It's not so much that they were impeaching Trump, it's that they now want to say we can't do investigations during a pandemic yet they were impeaching Trump when this shit was spreading and while Trump was putting together a task force.

Again Democrats don't get to have it both ways anymore. Stop enabling such a shit party.

[Solkern]

I literally just explained this to you. It's not so much that they were impeaching Trump, it's that they now want to say we can't do investigations during a pandemic yet they were impeaching Trump when this shit was spreading and while Trump was putting together a task force.

Again Democrats don't get to have it both ways anymore. Stop enabling such a shit party.

Yeah I know, I edited my post to address it.

[Parkbandit]

Hillary went through three hearings on Benghazi alone and walked out looking like a Champ.

LOLWUT?

Dude, stop. No one else is even close to you.

Hang up your gloves and take a break.. you're going to punch yourself out.

[Parkbandit]

Actually it's highly disingenuous to call it a ban as there are plenty for are exempt from the travel restrictions.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/coronavirus-trump-china-travel-ban-45a2da12-8063-4ad9-ba28-61cdeb1ce0b3.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTGBJMDcras

Pay attention to 5:20 mark.

Dan Crenshaw is such a great debater.

[Gelston]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTGBJMDcras

Pay attention to 5:20 mark.

Dan Crenshaw is such a great debater.

Dan Crenshaw supports red flag laws. He can fuck right off.

[Wrathbringer]

Dan Crenshaw supports red flag laws. He can fuck right off.

This is correct.

[Seran]

Dan Crenshaw supports red flag laws. He can fuck right off.

You think that people with mental instabilities or being investigated for criminal acts should be able to freely buy guns?

[Tgo01]

You think that people with mental instabilities or being investigated for criminal acts should be able to freely buy guys?

If you think that’s what red flags are you can fuck off too.

[Parkbandit]

Dan Crenshaw supports red flag laws. He can fuck right off.

What is your problem with red flag laws?

[~Rocktar~]

What is your problem with red flag laws?

They violate several constitutional rights and legal principles like innocent until proven guilty, right to face your accuser, unlawful search and seizure, just to name a few. Literally, it's happened in the US, your neighbor or some fucktard on social media can go to the court, say "I'm scared" and they can raid your house, search the whole place and seize any firearms and ammunition you might have. Then you have to hire a lawyer, go to court and prove you are innocent. Literally the exact opposite of everything our country stands for. In the mean time, the government has documented everything you have even if it was not documented in a registry elsewhere, prosecuted you for any other "crimes" they may find and we all know the government is of so careful about taking care of your property and returning it to you in the original condition. That is all assuming you aren't killed in the raid by some over zealous or cowardly asshole cop.

People have been killed by police over these illegal laws while the lawsuits to end them meander through the courts. It's worse than the Twitch and Youtube streamers getting SWATed by some fucking retard because when you file false charges with the cops, you can go to jail over it and people have. With these, there's no recourse, just the court saying "Sorry, my bad, here is what's left of your personal property and rights back, take a hike and don't let it happen again." It's the moral equivalent of turning in your neighbors over personal distancing violations and only slightly less reprehensible than turning over Jews to Nazis.

And Crenshaw has walked back his support of them though it is still my biggest gripe with him.

[Alfster]

I literally just explained this to you. It's not so much that they were impeaching Trump, it's that they now want to say we can't do investigations during a pandemic yet they were impeaching Trump when this shit was spreading and while Trump was putting together a task force.

Again Democrats don't get to have it both ways anymore. Stop enabling such a shit party.

I can't remember, how many days was Trump on the docket to testify? You scream about Dems wasting time, but he wasn't a part of the impeachment process at all so you'll need a better excuse than he was busy with impeachment.

[Seran]

They violate several constitutional rights and legal principles like innocent until proven guilty, right to face your accuser, unlawful search and seizure, just to name a few. Literally, it's happened in the US, your neighbor or some fucktard on social media can go to the court, say "I'm scared" and they can raid your house, search the whole place and seize any firearms and ammunition you might have. Then you have to hire a lawyer, go to court and prove you are innocent. Literally the exact opposite of everything our country stands for. In the mean time, the government has documented everything you have even if it was not documented in a registry elsewhere, prosecuted you for any other "crimes" they may find and we all know the government is of so careful about taking care of your property and returning it to you in the original condition. That is all assuming you aren't killed in the raid by some over zealous or cowardly asshole cop.

People have been killed by police over these illegal laws while the lawsuits to end them meander through the courts. It's worse than the Twitch and Youtube streamers getting SWATed by some fucking retard because when you file false charges with the cops, you can go to jail over it and people have. With these, there's no recourse, just the court saying "Sorry, my bad, here is what's left of your personal property and rights back, take a hike and don't let it happen again." It's the moral equivalent of turning in your neighbors over personal distancing violations and only slightly less reprehensible than turning over Jews to Nazis.

And Crenshaw has walked back his support of them though it is still my biggest gripe with him.

Look at the history of Domestic Violence Restraining Orders or Child Protective Service rescues and you'll see that a little precaution is the best way to save lives. If a law enforcement has reasonable cause to suspect someone is a threat to themselves or others, temporarily removing their ability to use firearms to commit heinous acts is a small price to pay to prevent murder or mass murder.

Your citation of the Nazi genocide is repugnant. The mass slaughter of innocent men, women and children is in no way whatsoever comparable to law enforcement saving lives in removing guns from potentially deadly situations. A more apt comparison is a court revoking someone's passport to prevent someone from leaving the country during a criminal trial. It may not stop them altogether, but you make it more difficult to flee justice.

[Wrathbringer]

They violate several constitutional rights and legal principles like innocent until proven guilty, right to face your accuser, unlawful search and seizure, just to name a few. Literally, it's happened in the US, your neighbor or some fucktard on social media can go to the court, say "I'm scared" and they can raid your house, search the whole place and seize any firearms and ammunition you might have. Then you have to hire a lawyer, go to court and prove you are innocent. Literally the exact opposite of everything our country stands for. In the mean time, the government has documented everything you have even if it was not documented in a registry elsewhere, prosecuted you for any other "crimes" they may find and we all know the government is of so careful about taking care of your property and returning it to you in the original condition. That is all assuming you aren't killed in the raid by some over zealous or cowardly asshole cop.

People have been killed by police over these illegal laws while the lawsuits to end them meander through the courts. It's worse than the Twitch and Youtube streamers getting SWATed by some fucking retard because when you file false charges with the cops, you can go to jail over it and people have. With these, there's no recourse, just the court saying "Sorry, my bad, here is what's left of your personal property and rights back, take a hike and don't let it happen again." It's the moral equivalent of turning in your neighbors over personal distancing violations and only slightly less reprehensible than turning over Jews to Nazis.

And Crenshaw has walked back his support of them though it is still my biggest gripe with him.

In our state, you don't even have to convince a judge that you may potentially be a threat to yourself or others at some point in the future. Just convince any cop, and boom, your guns are confiscated. If your cop is a friend, you could get anyone's guns taken.

[Wrathbringer]

Look at the history of Domestic Violence Restraining Orders or Child Protective Service rescues and you'll see that a little precaution is the best way to save lives. If a law enforcement has reasonable cause to suspect someone is a threat to themselves or others, temporarily removing their ability to use firearms to commit heinous acts is a small price to pay to prevent murder or mass murder.

Your citation of the Nazi genocide is repugnant. The mass slaughter of innocent men, women and children is in no way whatsoever comparable to law enforcement saving lives in removing guns from potentially deadly situations. A more apt comparison is a court revoking someone's passport to prevent someone from leaving the country during a criminal trial. It may not stop them altogether, but you make it more difficult to flee justice.

Damn, you are one massively retarded retard with retardation. Let's all hope you never figure out how to breed. Fortunately, judging from your posts, that appears a remote possibility at best.

[Solkern]

I can't remember, how many days was Trump on the docket to testify? You scream about Dems wasting time, but he wasn't a part of the impeachment process at all so you'll need a better excuse than he was busy with impeachment.

My only thing is this, he claims the Democrats wasted time during a pandemic on impeachment, I said well he wasted time with golfing, his response? There were only 541 cases, nothing serious. Fine, when the Dems were wasting time with impeachment, only 541 cases as well, nothing serious. .
He also can’t have it both ways as well. He was running through the country playing golf and doing campaign rallies.

Then he tries to compare it to now. 541 cases, economy booming to 1.5m+ cases and the economy in shambles. The situation is completely different.

If you give Trump a free pass and an excuse, the Dems should get one as well.

[Tgo01]

I can't remember, how many days was Trump on the docket to testify? You scream about Dems wasting time, but he wasn't a part of the impeachment process at all so you'll need a better excuse than he was busy with impeachment.

Why would he testify?

Also I didn't say HE was busy with impeachment, I said DEMOCRATS were busy with impeachment. You really gotta work on your reading comprehension. It's pretty piss poor.

[Methais]

Look at the history of Domestic Violence Restraining Orders or Child Protective Service rescues and you'll see that a little precaution is the best way to save lives. If a law enforcement has reasonable cause to suspect someone is a threat to themselves or others, temporarily removing their ability to use firearms to commit heinous acts is a small price to pay to prevent murder or mass murder.

Your citation of the Nazi genocide is repugnant. The mass slaughter of innocent men, women and children is in no way whatsoever comparable to law enforcement saving lives in removing guns from potentially deadly situations. A more apt comparison is a court revoking someone's passport to prevent someone from leaving the country during a criminal trial. It may not stop them altogether, but you make it more difficult to flee justice.

You’re a stupid asshole that needs to go eat 10 dick sandwiches.

[Methais]

Damn, you are one massively retarded retard with retardation. Let's all hope you never figure out how to breed. Fortunately, judging from your posts, that appears a remote possibility at best.

This is correct.

[Methais]

My only thing is this, he claims the Democrats wasted time during a pandemic on impeachment, I said well he wasted time with golfing, his response? There were only 541 cases, nothing serious. Fine, when the Dems were wasting time with impeachment, only 541 cases as well, nothing serious. .
He also can’t have it both ways as well. He was running through the country playing golf and doing campaign rallies.

Then he tries to compare it to now. 541 cases, economy booming to 1.5m+ cases and the economy in shambles. The situation is completely different.

If you give Trump a free pass and an excuse, the Dems should get one as well.

How long does a round of golf take vs. an impeachment trial?

Hint: One is measured in hours, the other is measured in weeks.

[Ashlander]

How long does a round of golf take vs. an impeachment trial?

Hint: One is measured in hours, the other is measured in weeks.

Not to mention the costs involved.

[Furryrat]

Not to mention the costs involved.

Even a round at St. Andrew's is only about $300. All the costs of that impeachment and related investigations probably cost us taxpayers 300 million, oh and let's not forget the attention of our government while this virus was first starting to spread. But hey, it was worth it, right?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Got my new facemask for when I go back to work in July...

https://yeyvibe.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Face-Mask-Adult-Custom-Face-Mask-Reuse-Face-Mask-Washable-Face-Mask-Face-Mask-Adult-Reusable-Facemask-Donald-Trump-Cotton-Mask.jpg

[Solkern]

Not to mention the costs involved.


Even a round at St. Andrew's is only about $300. All the costs of that impeachment and related investigations probably cost us taxpayers 300 million, oh and let's not forget the attention of our government while this virus was first starting to spread. But hey, it was worth it, right?


Pretty sure each time he goes golfing, it costs tax payers millions and millions of dollars


https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2019/07/10/trumps-golf-trips-could-cost-taxpayers-over-340-million/#4ca6ac0f28aa

So far an estimated 100m+

[Solkern]

Not to mention the costs involved.


How long does a round of golf take vs. an impeachment trial?

Hint: One is measured in hours, the other is measured in weeks.


That wasn’t the point. The point was, tg01 was giving the Dems shit because a pandemic was going on, made a big deal of it. I mentioned Trumps golfing, he said “it was only 541 cases” not a big deal. Ok, if it’s not a big deal, than dont give the Dems shit either, since it’s only 541 cases at that time, not a big deal.

You can’t shit on the Dems, because a massive pandemic was happening, but when it involves Trump, all of a sudden it’s only 541 cases, not a big deal.

[Tgo01]

That wasn’t the point. The point was, tg01 was giving the Dems shit because a pandemic was going on, made a big deal of it. I mentioned Trumps golfing, he said “it was only 541 cases” not a big deal. Ok, if it’s not a big deal, than dont give the Dems shit either, since it’s only 541 cases at that time, not a big deal.

You can’t shit on the Dems, because a massive pandemic was happening, but when it involves Trump, all of a sudden it’s only 541 cases, not a big deal.

Your nuance is lacking.

Like I already explained this was in response to Democrats now clutching their pearls about Republicans wanting to investigate Biden.

Not only that but Trump WAS doing something while he was golfing. He set up the task force, he restricted travel from China and pretty much the entire world by March 8th, just a week later he recommended almost the entire economy shut down.

Up until Trump's last day of golf on March 8th what were Democrats doing in regards to the pandemic? Oh that's right, they impeached Trump, cried because they didn't get more witnesses in the Senate, encouraged people to live their lives like normal, told people to stop being racist and to go eat out at Chinese restaurants, got into a huge group and told people to go visit China town with them, and encouraged people to visit China town to celebrate the Chinese New Year.

You were the one who said Trump shouldn't be golfing during a pandemic, when I mentioned golf hadn't been golfing since March you then link to a site that showed indeed Trump hasn't been golfing since March 8th and I pointed out at the time the US only had 541 cases.

Again, nuance. Nuance.

[~Rocktar~]

Look at the history of Domestic Violence Restraining Orders or Child Protective Service rescues and you'll see that a little precaution is the best way to save lives. If a law enforcement has reasonable cause to suspect someone is a threat to themselves or others, temporarily removing their ability to use firearms to commit heinous acts is a small price to pay to prevent murder or mass murder.

Your citation of the Nazi genocide is repugnant. The mass slaughter of innocent men, women and children is in no way whatsoever comparable to law enforcement saving lives in removing guns from potentially deadly situations. A more apt comparison is a court revoking someone's passport to prevent someone from leaving the country during a criminal trial. It may not stop them altogether, but you make it more difficult to flee justice.

The standard of proof for domestic violence restraining orders is much higher in almost all cases and in several cases, they are equally unconstitutional. If someone is a genuine threat then there is ample opportunity for the police and court to use proper channels, arrest the person and they have their day in court. This is what we have mental health laws for. If your rights can be revoked at the whim of someone that doesn't like you for whatever reason then they are not rights. There is no suitable reason to deprive a law abiding citizen off their rights without due process. Period. To believe so means you genuinely don't believe they are rights or don't know what it means to be a Right, there is no other valid explanation so don't bother. You are a Leftist so we know this is already the case.

As to your upset over the reference to Nazis, well, so fucking what, your feelings got hurt because the shoe fits.

Your comparison to a passport is ludicrous.

[Seran]

The standard of proof for domestic violence restraining orders is much higher in almost all cases and in several cases, they are equally unconstitutional. If someone is a genuine threat then there is ample opportunity for the police and court to use proper channels, arrest the person and they have their day in court. This is what we have mental health laws for. If your rights can be revoked at the whim of someone that doesn't like you for whatever reason then they are not rights. There is no suitable reason to deprive a law abiding citizen off their rights without due process. Period. To believe so means you genuinely don't believe they are rights or don't know what it means to be a Right, there is no other valid explanation so don't bother. You are a Leftist so we know this is already the case.

As to your upset over the reference to Nazis, well, so fucking what, your feelings got hurt because the shoe fits.

Your comparison to a passport is ludicrous.

A restraining order is unconstitutional? How precisely do you justify a constitutional right to someone else's body or the property they control? Even while the Constitution guarantee's the right to bear arms, it explicitly identifies the right is conditioned in it being well regulated.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

While the courts have upheld the right to own a firearm, they have also codified the duty of the government to control, permit and at times revoke those rights with cause. Red Flag Laws are a perfect example of how a plaintext reading of the constitution was written to support.

[Some Rogue]

Pretty sure each time he goes golfing, it costs tax payers millions and millions of dollars


https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2019/07/10/trumps-golf-trips-could-cost-taxpayers-over-340-million/#4ca6ac0f28aa

So far an estimated 100m+

And the best part is it goes right into his own pocket since owns the place. He could go to Camp David or one of the local courses but he wouldn't be making any money off those.

[Ashlander]

A restraining order is unconstitutional? How precisely do you justify a constitutional right to someone else's body or the property they control? Even while the Constitution guarantee's the right to bear arms, it explicitly identifies the right is conditioned in it being well regulated.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

While the courts have upheld the right to own a firearm, they have also codified the duty of the government to control, permit and at times revoke those rights with cause. Red Flag Laws are a perfect example of how a plaintext reading of the constitution was written to support.

What's the plaintext reading of shall not be infringed.

[Alfster]

And the best part is it goes right into his own pocket since owns the place. He could go to Camp David or one of the local courses but he wouldn't be making any money off those.

Come on. Haven't you heard? He's the most conservative president ever.

[Tgo01]

And the best part is it goes right into his own pocket since owns the place. He could go to Camp David or one of the local courses but he wouldn't be making any money off those.

You're dumb. Most of that cost is for security and travel expenses that are accrued no matter where the president travels to, whether to a golf course or to Cuba to party it up with dictators like Obama did.

At most Trump's family business would earn a few bucks if the secret service gets hotel rooms there or something. Calm down.

[Some Rogue]

You're stupid. There is the cost of two jets to fly to Florida and yes, 100's of hotel rooms that cost more than a few pennies whereas jt would not take nearly as many Secret Service nor would they need to have rooms if they went to Camp David. But yes, we know, Orange man is perfect and does no wrong.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=how+much+does+each+trip+to+mar+a+lago+cost
(https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=how+much+does+each+trip+to+mar+a+lago+cost)
Oh yeah, not to mention all the fees people pay to attend events to have access to the president.

[Tgo01]

You're stupid. There is the cost of two jets to fly to Florida and yes, 100's of hotel rooms that cost more than a few pennies whereas jt would not take nearly as many Secret Service nor would they need to have rooms if they went to Camp David. But yes, we know, Orange man is perfect and does no wrong.

Hundreds of hotel rooms. Your TDS is a sight to behold.

I just think you're stupid if you think Trump has personally profited 100+ million dollars from his golf outings since he became president. Takes a special kind of stupid to believe that.

[Neveragain]

You're stupid. There is the cost of two jets to fly to Florida and yes, 100's of hotel rooms that cost more than a few pennies whereas jt would not take nearly as many Secret Service nor would they need to have rooms if they went to Camp David. But yes, we know, Orange man is perfect and does no wrong.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=how+much+does+each+trip+to+mar+a+lago+cost
(https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=how+much+does+each+trip+to+mar+a+lago+cost)
Oh yeah, not to mention all the fees people pay to attend events to have access to the president.

And this is the Democrat answer to the "problem":

https://a57.foxnews.com/cf-images.us-east-1.prod.boltdns.net/v1/static/694940094001/4493a474-81d5-42d3-978d-ed257ef8ec41/95dae145-409b-45a4-8fd9-f55706428df5/1280x720/match/931/524/image.jpg?ve=1&tl=1


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[Methais]

That wasn’t the point. The point was, tg01 was giving the Dems shit because a pandemic was going on, made a big deal of it. I mentioned Trumps golfing, he said “it was only 541 cases” not a big deal. Ok, if it’s not a big deal, than dont give the Dems shit either, since it’s only 541 cases at that time, not a big deal.

You can’t shit on the Dems, because a massive pandemic was happening, but when it involves Trump, all of a sudden it’s only 541 cases, not a big deal.

https://media.giphy.com/media/usleGLxmeqgUw/giphy.gif

[Methais]

You're stupid. There is the cost of two jets to fly to Florida and yes, 100's of hotel rooms that cost more than a few pennies whereas jt would not take nearly as many Secret Service nor would they need to have rooms if they went to Camp David. But yes, we know, Orange man is perfect and does no wrong.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=how+much+does+each+trip+to+mar+a+lago+cost
(https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=how+much+does+each+trip+to+mar+a+lago+cost)
Oh yeah, not to mention all the fees people pay to attend events to have access to the president.

If you don't post more pics of your dachshunds then you're stupid too. Dammit. Fuck is wrong with you? Reported.

[Some Rogue]

If you don't post more pics of your dachshunds then you're stupid too. Dammit. Fuck is wrong with you? Reported.

He just finished reading the PC.
https://i.imgur.com/CODrPbL.jpg?1

[Some Rogue]

https://i.imgur.com/BCfzbKL.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/Yk5WYQx.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/h7pTnPF.png

[Ashlander]

https://i.imgur.com/BCfzbKL.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/Yk5WYQx.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/h7pTnPF.png

So cute!

[Seran]

What's the plaintext reading of shall not be infringed.

Let's point out the fact that Billy Bob and his AK-47 are not a militia. That being said, the Supreme Court rulings have found that background checks and permitting are not a Article 2 violation, nor are denying ownership to those mentally ill or a threat to others. Red Flag Laws are a natural evolution of those rulings and have demonstratedly shown denying the opportunity to a weapon has curtailed gun violence

[Gelston]

Let's point out the fact that Billy Bob and his AK-47 are not a militia. That being said, the Supreme Court rulings have found that background checks and permitting are not a Article 2 violation, nor are denying ownership to those mentally ill or a threat to others. Red Flag Laws are a natural evolution of those rulings and have demonstratedly shown denying the opportunity to a weapon has curtailed gun violence

Jesus fuck, wtf do you think a militia is? And why do you only stick to that part? A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

You can go turn in all your weapons if you want, I however, don't believe in the stripping of rights prior to a trial.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Let's point out the fact that Billy Bob and his AK-47 are not a militia.

What do you think is a militia then?

[Tgo01]

Let's point out the fact that Billy Bob and his AK-47 are not a militia.

Apparently Seran thinks a "militia" is a military run by the government. So Seran is so stupid he thinks the founders wrote an amendment to the constitution to ensure the country of the US was allowed to arm their military with guns. He is this fucking stupid.

[Gelston]

A lot of people tend forget the Founding Fathers literally just got finished fighting off a tyrannical Government using their armed citizenry. Minutemen ring a bell? Of course the mean US citizens have the right to be armed. I don't know how simpler it gets.

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/BCfzbKL.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/Yk5WYQx.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/h7pTnPF.png

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[Voldemort]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/14urMYvFxIKEms/giphy.gif

https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/everybody-on-the-ground-sir-this-is-a-sperm-bank-drinking-it.jpg

[Methais]

https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/everybody-on-the-ground-sir-this-is-a-sperm-bank-drinking-it.jpg

So that's what you've been doing for the past couple days.

The only part that surprises me is your use of a glass instead of your usual drinking straight from dicks.

[Methais]

A lot of people tend forget the Founding Fathers literally just got finished fighting off a tyrannical Government using their armed citizenry. Minutemen ring a bell? Of course the mean US citizens have the right to be armed. I don't know how simpler it gets.

Seran thinks "militia" means "military" because they look similar.

And because he's a fucking dumbass of the highest caliber.

[Neveragain]

Let's point out the fact that Billy Bob and his AK-47 are not a militia. That being said, the Supreme Court rulings have found that background checks and permitting are not a Article 2 violation, nor are denying ownership to those mentally ill or a threat to others. Red Flag Laws are a natural evolution of those rulings and have demonstratedly shown denying the opportunity to a weapon has curtailed gun violence

It's funny that you think Billy Bob's AK-47 is a military grade weapon.

[Seran]

Apparently Seran thinks a "militia" is a military run by the government. So Seran is so stupid he thinks the founders wrote an amendment to the constitution to ensure the country of the US was allowed to arm their military with guns. He is this fucking stupid.

A militia as defined by federal law and case law /is/ regulated by the government. The free wheeling cowboys you so lovingly support are just people with guns. But when Billy Bob decides to start stalking his ex wife or threatening his co-workers, red flag laws take away his guns and there's nothing that constitutionally protects him. So sayeth the courts.

[Neveragain]

A militia as defined by federal law and case law /is/ regulated by the government. The free wheeling cowboys you so lovingly support are just people with guns. But when Billy Bob decides to start stalking his ex wife or threatening his co-workers, red flag laws take away his guns and there's nothing that constitutionally protects him. So sayeth the courts.


What did well regulated mean?

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected.

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[Gelston]

A militia as defined by federal law and case law /is/ regulated by the government. The free wheeling cowboys you so lovingly support are just people with guns. But when Billy Bob decides to start stalking his ex wife or threatening his co-workers, red flag laws take away his guns and there's nothing that constitutionally protects him. So sayeth the courts.

the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

[Tgo01]

A militia as defined by federal law and case law /is/ regulated by the government.

Wait you're so stupid you think "well regulated militia" means the government regulates them? You're like all of the worst stereotypes of liberals rolled into one person.

[Parkbandit]

A militia as defined by federal law and case law /is/ regulated by the government. The free wheeling cowboys you so lovingly support are just people with guns. But when Billy Bob decides to start stalking his ex wife or threatening his co-workers, red flag laws take away his guns and there's nothing that constitutionally protects him. So sayeth the courts.

https://ift.tt/2irovsS

[Methais]

A militia as defined by federal law and case law /is/ regulated by the government. The free wheeling cowboys you so lovingly support are just people with guns. But when Billy Bob decides to start stalking his ex wife or threatening his co-workers, red flag laws take away his guns and there's nothing that constitutionally protects him. So sayeth the courts.

Ah yes, a well regulated militia whose existence is to overthrow a tyrannical government is totally something that would be regulated by the government.

Militia: Government, we don't like what you're doing. Can we revolt now?

Government: No.

Militia: Please?

Government: NO!

Militia: :(

^ This is how stupid Seran is.

[Seran]

Ah yes, a well regulated militia whose existence is to overthrow a tyrannical government is totally something that would be regulated by the government.

Militia: Government, we don't like what you're doing. Can we revolt now?

Government: No.

Militia: Please?

Government: NO!

Militia: :(

^ This is how stupid Seran is.

Go take your complaints to the Founding Fathers and ask them why they felt the need to regulate the arming of militias. Then lets go look at the Civil War and discuss the need of military involvement against civilian guerillas.

[~Rocktar~]

Go take your complaints to the Founding Fathers and ask them why they felt the need to regulate the arming of militias.

They did not, based on the common usage at the time, the militia part is simply an explanation as to why the right is enshrined. Your lack of understanding speaks to your poor public education in civics. The fact that the courts have continued to ignore this in no way makes it correct or proper, no more so than courts affirming slavery, Jim crow laws and so on. The folks that wrote this had just been through a brutal war that they barely won through determination and they were the citizen soldiers fighting against a brutal government that pretty much did what it pleased. Maybe if you had half a brain and learned a bit of history then you would understand a bit of why the Bill of Rights is written the way it is instead of sucking the Leftist dick of those that would enslave free people to the will of an oppressive government.


Then lets go look at the Civil War and discuss the need of military involvement against civilian guerillas.

Secession was not illegal or unconstitutional, so said the Chief Justice of SCOTUS in the day. He also advised Lincoln and others not to try war crimes trials because the United States of America, AKA the North, invaded a sovereign country, The Confederate States of America, AKA the South illegally and committed such mass slaughter that you can barely comprehend the death even when you stand on the battle field. This was not the government against some gorillas, this was one country against another both with large standing, volunteer and conscript armies. Again your lack of basic civics knowledge betrays your poor education.

[Parkbandit]

Go take your complaints to the Founding Fathers and ask them why they felt the need to regulate the arming of militias.

Literally the exact opposite of why the Founding Fathers put that into the Constitution.

Like you couldn't possibly be more wrong.

[Seran]

They did not, based on the common usage at the time, the militia part is simply an explanation as to why the right is enshrined. Your lack of understanding speaks to your poor public education in civics. The fact that the courts have continued to ignore this in no way makes it correct or proper, no more so than courts affirming slavery, Jim crow laws and so on. The folks that wrote this had just been through a brutal war that they barely won through determination and they were the citizen soldiers fighting against a brutal government that pretty much did what it pleased. Maybe if you had half a brain and learned a bit of history then you would understand a bit of why the Bill of Rights is written the way it is instead of sucking the Leftist dick of those that would enslave free people to the will of an oppressive government.



Secession was not illegal or unconstitutional, so said the Chief Justice of SCOTUS in the day. He also advised Lincoln and others not to try war crimes trials because the United States of America, AKA the North, invaded a sovereign country, The Confederate States of America, AKA the South illegally and committed such mass slaughter that you can barely comprehend the death even when you stand on the battle field. This was not the government against some gorillas, this was one country against another both with large standing, volunteer and conscript armies. Again your lack of basic civics knowledge betrays your poor education.

You've confused your personal opinion with actual fact. Courts have by no means ignored militias and their second amendment implications. The reason why you've not seen modern hearings on the matter is the well established laws defining the right and Supreme Court rulings on the matter which have set an unassailable precedent.

The southern rebellion was illegal and was the first display of states attempting to exercise nullity without the ratification of a Constitutional Congress to ratify their separation from the Union. The general orders executed by the union leaders were largely overturned, but were issued as purely pacification measures.

[Methais]

Go take your complaints to the Founding Fathers and ask them why they felt the need to regulate the arming of militias. Then lets go look at the Civil War and discuss the need of military involvement against civilian guerillas.

Why would the Founding Fathers require the government to regulate a militia when the purpose of this "well regulated militia" is specifically to overthrow a corrupt government should it come down to it?

Are you really this fucking stupid? How does that happen?

[Gelston]

Why would the Founding Fathers require the government to regulate a militia when the purpose of this "well regulated militia" is specifically to overthrow a corrupt government should it come down to it?

Are you really this fucking stupid? How does that happen?

I mean, he is literally ignoring the second part of the 2nd Amendment that states "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Liberals like to take partial statements out of context all the time to make their "arguments". This isn't new.

[Methais]

I mean, he is literally ignoring the second part of the 2nd Amendment that states "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

He's like time4fun, but with a smaller dick.

[Neveragain]

Then lets go look at the Civil War and discuss the need of military involvement against Democrat slave owners.

Fixed for historical accuracy.

[Seran]

Trump tweets Antifa will be labeled a terrorist organization but experts believe that's unconstitutional

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/trump-antifa-protests/index.html

Here we go again, now the President is trampling all over our 1st Amendment rights to speech and assembly.

Without a doubt, some within this group are extreme, throwing rocks, committing acts of vandalism, but a far cry from a terrorist organization. Unibomber, Oklahoma City bombers, the mass shootings in Colorado, the Saudi militants shooting up the base in Florida.. these are examples of domestic terrorism, but to compare the Antifa morons to these events is not only extreme, but labeling them collectively as a terrorist organization is likely illegal.

Our President who four years ago pardoned the acts of Steven and Dwight Hammond who attacked, damaged and illegally occupied a federal facility, is now threatening to send in the military to shoot up looters in Minnesota.

"The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat." The President retweeted. I guess we can see where the President stands, supporting Republican armed standoffs over sentencing in grazing rights trial, while calling for extra-judicial violence against criminals taking advantage of the torture and murder of an African American man.

[Astray]

Without a doubt, some within this group are extreme, throwing rocks, committing acts of vandalism, but a far cry from a terrorist organization. Unibomber, Oklahoma City bombers, the mass shootings in Colorado, the Saudi militants shooting up the base in Florida.. these are examples of domestic terrorism, but to compare the Antifa morons to these events is not only extreme, but labeling them collectively as a terrorist organization is likely illegal.

Weren't Antifa busted for trying to turn themselves into a militia? Not the whole organization but a sect.

[Tgo01]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/trump-antifa-protests/index.html

Here we go again, now the President is trampling all over our 1st Amendment rights to speech and assembly.

Without a doubt, some within this group are extreme, throwing rocks, committing acts of vandalism, but a far cry from a terrorist organization. Unibomber, Oklahoma City bombers, the mass shootings in Colorado, the Saudi militants shooting up the base in Florida.. these are examples of domestic terrorism, but to compare the Antifa morons to these events is not only extreme, but labeling them collectively as a terrorist organization is likely illegal.

Our President who four years ago pardoned the acts of Steven and Dwight Hammond who attacked, damaged and illegally occupied a federal facility, is now threatening to send in the military to shoot up looters in Minnesota.

"The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat." The President retweeted. I guess we can see where the President stands, supporting Republican armed standoffs over sentencing in grazing rights trial, while calling for extra-judicial violence against criminals taking advantage of the torture and murder of an African American man.

Won't someone please think of the terrorists!

[Seran]

Weren't Antifa busted for trying to turn themselves into a militia? Not the whole organization but a sect.

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. For the most part these people gather under the Antifa monicker as counter protesters to the white supremacist and nationalist movements. To call it an organization is a misnomer, those who gather typically have no formal ties to any organized group or structure.

[Astray]

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. For the most part these people gather under the Antifa monicker as counter protesters to the white supremacist and nationalist movements. To call it an organization is a misnomer, those who gather typically have no formal ties to any organized group or structure.

Yes, they were caught with weapons but you don't care because they aren't technically an organization?

[time4fun]

Yes, they were caught with weapons but you don't care because they aren't technically an organization?

Erm....have you not been paying attention to white supremacist groups and the armed COVID protests? (That Trump incited?)

And legally, you are correct. Owning weapons isn't illegal, and if you're a domestic group you can't legally be labeled a terrorist group.

Parts of the Executive recently had to endure hours and hours of Congressional testimony- fielding endless questions about why we don't label white supremacist groups as terrorist organizations. The reason why they can't is the same reason why Trump can't designate Antifa a terrorist organization.

[Tgo01]

the armed COVID protests? (That Trump incited?)

Oh no! Not protests! NOT PROTESTS!!!!

Trump incited 100% peaceful protests that didn't result in any deaths, injuries, or even property damage?! The monster!

[Astray]

Erm....have you not been paying attention to white supremacist groups and the armed COVID protests? (That Trump incited?)

And legally, you are correct. Owning weapons isn't illegal, and if you're a domestic group you can't legally be labeled a terrorist group.

Parts of the Executive recently had to endure hours and hours of Congressional testimony- fielding endless questions about why we don't label white supremacist groups as terrorist organizations. The reason why they can't is the same reason why Trump can't designate Antifa a terrorist organization.

I am aware. I have seen plenty of that shit and yes, those white supremacist groups should be labeled as terrorist groups. Then culled with extreme prejudice. But hey, let's just focus on Orange Man.

I realize that, yes. It's completely within your legal rights to purchase, own, maintain, and dispose of weapons as you see fit. Is it legal to take those weapons and raise a group of men, women, and potentially children, to fight against the government for something it may or may not do? I'm pretty sure even you might understand that it's not. Bit of a stretch with you, sometimes. Wait, so if it's a domestic group you can't legally be labeled a terrorist group? Shit, there goes my culling idea.

Sounds like a dumb fucking reason. A really dumb one. Armed groups of people actively plotting civil unrest and discord should be labeled. And no, I don't think the Black Panthers should be labeled as a hate group nor a terrorist group under the same logic above. Until, they begin to actively arm. When groups arm themselves and the Government asks them to disband, however, they should fucking disband or disarm themselves.

Can I drop my mic yet?

[Seran]

Oh no! Not protests! NOT PROTESTS!!!!

Trump incited 100% peaceful protests that didn't result in any deaths, injuries, or even property damage?! The monster!

And the security guards who were assaulted or murdered while trying to enforce mask rules? They don't count

[Tgo01]

And the security guards who were assaulted or murdered while trying to enforce mask rules? They don't count

You mean the black security guard who was murdered by a black family in a city that votes like 80% Democrat? Yeah I'm sure they were totally Trump supporters following Trump's orders. Get the fuck out.

[~Rocktar~]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/trump-antifa-protests/index.html

Here we go again, now the President is trampling all over our 1st Amendment rights to speech and assembly.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

People practicing free assembly don't kill people, throw rocks, beat reporters, carry flags with nails in the end of the pole, use bike locks to attack people, beat property and business owners with bricks and boards for defending their property, attack a woman in a wheel chair, commit arson, burglary, looting, deface property and a myriad of other things. The legal precedent is out there and so easy to find even you can do it. Riots are not protected speech.



Without a doubt, some within this group are extreme, throwing rocks, committing acts of vandalism, but a far cry from a terrorist organization. Unibomber, Oklahoma City bombers, the mass shootings in Colorado, the Saudi militants shooting up the base in Florida.. these are examples of domestic terrorism, but to compare the Antifa morons to these events is not only extreme, but labeling them collectively as a terrorist organization is likely illegal.


Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/terrorism

According to ANTIFA literature and communications, they are indeed inciting and advocating for violence against their home country in order to further ideological goals if not directly, indirectly by making very thinly veiled statements suggesting riots and so on. If it is "some within the group" there is no evidence what so ever of them policing their own or denouncing or distancing themselves from the so called "bad actors". Failure to speak against bad behavior is tacit approval. The BLM organization does the same.


Our President who four years ago pardoned the acts of Steven and Dwight Hammond who attacked, damaged and illegally occupied a federal facility, is now threatening to send in the military to shoot up looters in Minnesota.

They reached an agreement with the Federal prosecutor and accepted guilty plea's and served their time. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, on appeal, overturned the agreement and the judge's sentencing to re-sentence the men. They were originally acquitted on several of the charges they faced, guilty on two and several were undecided when they reached the agreed deal. They went to prison, paid their restitution and Trump pardoned them about 2 years before the end of each man's sentence. Your characterization is asinine at best and you clearly have less understanding of the case than a 2 minute read of the biased Wikipedia article would give you.

Marital law is a bitch. Uncontrolled riots cannot be allowed to continue with such criminal lawlessness and destruction along with now, loss of life.


"The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat." The President retweeted. I guess we can see where the President stands, supporting Republican armed standoffs over sentencing in grazing rights trial, while calling for extra-judicial violence against criminals taking advantage of the torture and murder of an African American man.

The standoff was stupid, the men were vindicated in the government abuse of power that violated their protection against unlawful search and seizure as the FBI was later excoriated over their again, piss poor handling of the situation. Much like Ruby Ridge and Waco before, they went in for stupid reasons in bad conditions and broke all kinds of laws to murder or attempt to murder citizens for the crime of standing up for their rights.

BTW, being shot while breaking martial law is not extra-judicial dumbass.

You went really far off the deep end defending criminals, terrorists and murders. Good job, I didn't think the Communist/Democrat party dick could get any further down your throat. A little more and Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi and others will be able to piss out of your asshole.

[Seran]

You mean the black security guard who was murdered by a black family in a city that votes like 80% Democrat? Yeah I'm sure they were totally Trump supporters following Trump's orders. Get the fuck out.

Assuming folks political ideology and motives by skin color? You're a racist of the worst kind.

[~Rocktar~]

Erm....have you not been paying attention to white supremacist groups and the armed COVID protests? (That Trump incited?)

And legally, you are correct. Owning weapons isn't illegal, and if you're a domestic group you can't legally be labeled a terrorist group.

Parts of the Executive recently had to endure hours and hours of Congressional testimony- fielding endless questions about why we don't label white supremacist groups as terrorist organizations. The reason why they can't is the same reason why Trump can't designate Antifa a terrorist organization.

Gods you are so fucking retarded. Being a domestic group has nothing to do with being labeled terrorist or not. As to not designating those white supremacist groups as domestic terrorists, I think it might have more to do with the definition:


Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/terrorism

While those groups are despicable and despised by most people, they have not, as of yet, committed violent criminal acts to further their political goals. They talk a lot, they haven't DONE much of anything. ANTIFA, BLM and others, wellllllllll, they are much more active in the "committing" area so yeah, terrorists.

[~Rocktar~]

Assuming folks political ideology and motives by skin color? You're a racist of the worst kind.

He isn't a Leftist so your assertion is invalid.

[Tgo01]

Assuming folks political ideology and motives by skin color? You're a racist of the worst kind.

It's called statistics, my dear retard. Look it up sometime.

[time4fun]

Gods you are so fucking retarded. Being a domestic group has nothing to do with being labeled terrorist or not. As to not designating those white supremacist groups as domestic terrorists, I think it might have more to do with the definition:



https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/terrorism

While those groups are despicable and despised by most people, they have not, as of yet, committed violent criminal acts to further their political goals. They talk a lot, they haven't DONE much of anything. ANTIFA, BLM and others, wellllllllll, they are much more active in the "committing" area so yeah, terrorists.

*eye roll*

Yeah it actually does. You can't label a domestic group a terrorist group based on its ideology- which is exactly what Trump is doing. This pesky thing called the 1st Amendment.

There are such things as domestic terrorist groups, but they have to meet an incredibly high standard based on intentional, centralized actions taken. You can't do it based on what they believe.

I highly recommend you go watch some of the recent Congressional testimony on the subject.

[Tgo01]

You can't label a domestic group a terrorist group based on its ideology- which is exactly what Trump is doing.

You sure it has nothing to do with them murdering a black federal officer, almost beating 2 men to death, and setting fires to hundreds of buildings?

It's funny watching leftists such as you bend over backwards to defend a terrorist group that is currently terrorizing the people you claim to care about.

[Solkern]

You sure it has nothing to do with them murdering a black federal officer, almost beating 2 men to death, and setting fires to hundreds of buildings?

It's funny watching leftists such as you bend over backwards to defend a terrorist group that is currently terrorizing the people you claim to care about.

Police murder people all the time, innocent people, like George Floyd, they also beat them as well... should we label them a domestic terrorist group?

[Tgo01]

Police murder people all the time, innocent people, like George Floyd, they also beat them as well... should we label them a domestic terrorist group?

Nice deflection.

[Solkern]

Nice deflection.

it wasn't a deflection, Police do the same thing, so why aren't you wanting to label them a terrorist group? Yet they do it more often? how are they any different? Because they were a badge? are supposed to up hold the law? suppose to serve and protect? What makes them any better? Seems like it's even worse if you actually take a step back and see what they do.

how can you label Antifa a terrorists group, when they aren't even a group or an organization, they have no leader, they have no membership roles, or any defined, centralized structure. Rather, it is a vaguely defined movement of people who share common protest tactics and targets. Are you trying to claim an "idea" is a terrorist group?
next there is no domestic terrorist laws in place, and there is no authority under law for it, but right now, the only terrorist authority is for foreign terrorist organizations.
Terrorism is an inherently political label, easily abused and misused. There is no legal authority for designating a domestic group a terrorist group. Any such designation would raise significant due process and First Amendment concerns.

[Tgo01]

how can you label Antifa a terrorists group, when they aren't even a group or an organization, they have no leader, they have no membership roles, or any defined, centralized structure.

So that's the secret to being a terrorist organization without being labeled a terrorist organization huh? Just have no leader or membership roles and you're golden. Like discovering the Contra cheat code for the first time.

[Solkern]

So that's the secret to being a terrorist organization without being labeled a terrorist organization huh? Just have no leader or membership roles and you're golden. Like discovering the Contra cheat code for the first time.


Please tell me one, terrorist group, we have labeled in the past, that didn’t have any of the above?

As for a so called republican as you claim you are. A party of law and order, I guess these laws and order, only apply when you agree with them.
When trump wants to infringe on the first amendment, of people you disagree with it, it’s ok.

[Tgo01]

Please tell me one, terrorist group, we have labeled in the past, that didn’t have any of the above?

Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start.

Boom! We are immune from being designated a terrorist organization.

[Solkern]

Also, no I don’t agree with antifa, what they are doing, how they are doing it.
But they aren’t all about looting and burning buildings.
They are people who just share common ideas. Like all people who share ideas, some are extreme, while others are not.

[Solkern]

Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start.

Boom! We are immune from being designated a terrorist organization.

Nice deflection, something you do quite often, or you ignore people when you get called out.

I’m still waiting for you to tell me how I passed the buck before, and I’ll wait for you to tell me one terrorist troop we labeled that didn’t have those things above.

Whether you like it or not. There is no law to designate a domestic terrorist group.

[Solkern]

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/terror/IF10613.pdf


Here let me help you.

FTO Designation Criteria
Entities placed on the FTO list are suspected of engaging in terrorism-related activities. By designating an entity as an FTO, the United States seeks to limit the group’s financial, property, and travel interests. Per Section 219 of the INA, as amended via Section 302 of the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, the Secretary of State must demonstrate that the entity of concern has met the three criteria to allow the Department to designate it as an FTO. The suspected terrorist group must
 be a foreign organization,
 engage in or retain the capability and intent to engage in
terrorism, and
 threaten the security of U.S. nationals or the national defense, foreign relations, or the economic interests of the United States.

[~Rocktar~]

Police murder people all the time, innocent people, like George Floyd, they also beat them as well... should we label them a domestic terrorist group?

The police do not murder people all the time, make gross generalizations much? And to answer your question, based on the definition posted on the FBI website that I cited earlier, they do not do so to further ideological goals. Unless of course you see the actions of police forces under Leftist mayors as a pattern of directed enforcement and political bias.

[Tgo01]

how can you label Antifa a terrorists group, when they aren't even a group or an organization, they have no leader, they have no membership roles, or any defined, centralized structure. Rather, it is a vaguely defined movement of people who share common protest tactics and targets. Are you trying to claim an "idea" is a terrorist group?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/politics/trump-antifa-terrorist-group.html


First, antifa is not an organization. It does not have a leader, membership roles or any defined, centralized structure. Rather, it is a vaguely defined movement of people who share common protest tactics and targets.

Nice copy/paste. If you're looking to opinion pieces from the NYT of all places for your facts then you are doing it wrong.

Especially Maggie Haberman of all people. Yeesh. Why not just quote Marx directly?

[~Rocktar~]

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/terror/IF10613.pdf


Here let me help you.

FTO Designation Criteria
Entities placed on the FTO list are suspected of engaging in terrorism-related activities. By designating an entity as an FTO, the United States seeks to limit the group’s financial, property, and travel interests. Per Section 219 of the INA, as amended via Section 302 of the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, the Secretary of State must demonstrate that the entity of concern has met the three criteria to allow the Department to designate it as an FTO. The suspected terrorist group must
 be a foreign organization,
 engage in or retain the capability and intent to engage in
terrorism, and
 threaten the security of U.S. nationals or the national defense, foreign relations, or the economic interests of the United States.

Which is all fine and good and all but you completely IGNORE the fact that they are being declared a DOMESTIC terrorist organization. Which has distinctly different guidelines, namely, they can be and often are US citizens.

Nice try, troll harder.

[~Rocktar~]

*eye roll*

Yeah it actually does. You can't label a domestic group a terrorist group based on its ideology- which is exactly what Trump is doing. This pesky thing called the 1st Amendment.

There are such things as domestic terrorist groups, but they have to meet an incredibly high standard based on intentional, centralized actions taken. You can't do it based on what they believe.

I highly recommend you go watch some of the recent Congressional testimony on the subject.

And yet, I and others on this forum have demonstrated how they meet the FBI guidelines based on the definition I cited from their website above. I and many others with much better legal and scholarly credentials than you or I seem to agree with me and the President.

Stop defending criminals and terrorists. Period. And make no mistake, let me be perfectly clear, no matter how much tap dancing, verbal and mental gymnastics and contortions you go through, you are in fact, defending criminals and terrorists.

You. Personally.

[Seran]

Which is all fine and good and all but you completely IGNORE the fact that they are being declared a DOMESTIC terrorist organization. Which has distinctly different guidelines, namely, they can be and often are US citizens.

Nice try, troll harder.

The President doesn't have the constitutional authority to designate a domestic entity as a terrorist organization. Try again.

[Seran]

And yet, I and others on this forum have demonstrated how they meet the FBI guidelines based on the definition I cited from their website above. I and many others with much better legal and scholarly credentials than you or I seem to agree with me and the President.

Stop defending criminals and terrorists. Period. And make no mistake, let me be perfectly clear, no matter how much tap dancing, verbal and mental gymnastics and contortions you go through, you are in fact, defending criminals and terrorists.

You. Personally.

You've quoted a foreign definition which has absolutely no basis on American soil due to constitutional limitations and through some pretty awkward mental gymnastics, reached the opinion that you're right. You're not.

[Parkbandit]

*eye roll*

Yeah it actually does. You can't label a domestic group a terrorist group based on its ideology- which is exactly what Trump is doing. This pesky thing called the 1st Amendment.

There are such things as domestic terrorist groups, but they have to meet an incredibly high standard based on intentional, centralized actions taken. You can't do it based on what they believe.

I highly recommend you go watch some of the recent Congressional testimony on the subject.

Oh sweetie.

You're as wrong as you are retarded.

Welcome back.

Please never, ever leave us again. This place has been rather boring without your special type of stupidity.

[Parkbandit]

Also, no I don’t agree with antifa, what they are doing, how they are doing it.
But they aren’t all about looting and burning buildings.
They are people who just share common ideas. Like all people who share ideas, some are extreme, while others are not.

You have to be trolling at this point.

No one is this stupid.

[Solkern]

Which is all fine and good and all but you completely IGNORE the fact that they are being declared a DOMESTIC terrorist organization. Which has distinctly different guidelines, namely, they can be and often are US citizens.

Nice try, troll harder.


Please, show me the law on domestic terrorist groups

[~Rocktar~]

You've quoted a foreign definition which has absolutely no basis on American soil due to constitutional limitations and through some pretty awkward mental gymnastics, reached the opinion that you're right. You're not.

I quoted the FBI website you fucking moron. I even provided the link. Your title is not in jeopardy.

[ClydeR]

If Antifa's main stated goal was to promote criminal activity, it would still be unconstitutional for the government to prosecute or penalize someone for joining or being a member of the group. The government can punish people for their actions, not their domestic affiliations.

[Seran]

I quoted the FBI website you fucking moron. I even provided the link. Your title is not in jeopardy.

If you read your own link, you'd see the website defined what acts of domestic terrorism is, not the concept of labeling an organization as a domestic terrorism group. The reason it doesn't cite it, is that is unconstitutional.

[Methais]

"The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat." The President retweeted. I guess we can see where the President stands, supporting Republican armed standoffs over sentencing in grazing rights trial, while calling for extra-judicial violence against criminals taking advantage of the torture and murder of an African American man.

Had you not cherry picked that statement to take it completely out of context, because you're a fucking loser like that, you would have heard that same guy in that same video clarify immediately after that he means in a political sense, and not a physical sense.

Here, check out what a fucking loser you are:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq14sptaPOg

Dumbass. :lol:

[Methais]

*eye roll*

Yeah it actually does. You can't label a domestic group a terrorist group based on its ideology- which is exactly what Trump is doing. This pesky thing called the 1st Amendment.

There are such things as domestic terrorist groups, but they have to meet an incredibly high standard based on intentional, centralized actions taken. You can't do it based on what they believe.

I highly recommend you go watch some of the recent Congressional testimony on the subject.

I highly recommend you shave your fucking armpits already.

Taking a bath to get rid of that moth ball smell wouldn't hurt either.

[Methais]

it wasn't a deflection, Police do the same thing, so why aren't you wanting to label them a terrorist group? Yet they do it more often? how are they any different? Because they were a badge? are supposed to up hold the law? suppose to serve and protect? What makes them any better? Seems like it's even worse if you actually take a step back and see what they do.

how can you label Antifa a terrorists group, when they aren't even a group or an organization, they have no leader, they have no membership roles, or any defined, centralized structure. Rather, it is a vaguely defined movement of people who share common protest tactics and targets. Are you trying to claim an "idea" is a terrorist group?
next there is no domestic terrorist laws in place, and there is no authority under law for it, but right now, the only terrorist authority is for foreign terrorist organizations.
Terrorism is an inherently political label, easily abused and misused. There is no legal authority for designating a domestic group a terrorist group. Any such designation would raise significant due process and First Amendment concerns.

You've been trying way too hard in this thread.

[Methais]

Also, no I don’t agree with antifa, what they are doing, how they are doing it.
But they aren’t all about looting and burning buildings.
They are people who just share common ideas. Like all people who share ideas, some are extreme, while others are not.

Tell us more about what Antifa does that isn't centered around violence.

[Seran]

Had you not cherry picked that statement to take it completely out of context, because you're a fucking loser like that, you would have heard that same guy in that same video clarify immediately after that he means in a political sense, and not a physical sense.

Here, check out what a fucking loser you are:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq14sptaPOg

Dumbass. :lol:

Wait a moment while the analogy police come and slap your mouth for believing that flimsy clarification. The fact thus dude laced his non-apology with calling governor's treasonous shows just how disingenuous his motivation clarification was.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8366687/Trump-tweets-cowboys-Trump-head-saying-good-Democrat-dead-Democrat.html

[Methais]

Wait a moment while the analogy police come and slap your mouth for believing that flimsy clarification. The fact thus dude laced his non-apology with calling governor's treasonous shows just how disingenuous his motivation clarification was.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8366687/Trump-tweets-cowboys-Trump-head-saying-good-Democrat-dead-Democrat.html

"He didn't mean what he said, let me tell you what he meant because only me and other idiots like me know!" -Soyran

https://media.tenor.com/images/e96be627101c6efc84181d2140a85682/tenor.gif

[Some Rogue]

That sounds a lot like Trump and his apologists every single day. There are good people on both sides, it was taken out of context, he was being sarcastic while talking to himself, he wasn't quoting 2 separate white supremacists when threatening to shoot looters, it was just random. :P

[Tgo01]

There are good people on both sides, it was taken out of context

Doesn't surprise me at all you fell for that media hoax too.

[Some Rogue]

King of the apologists right on cue.

[Seran]

That there's an entire industry of Trump aides and supporters who try and spin the President as a stable genius everytime he spouts something racist, inhumane or downright legal is mystifying.

[Parkbandit]

That there's an entire industry of Trump aides and supporters who try and spin the President as a stable genius everytime he spouts something racist, inhumane or downright legal is mystifying.

COUNTERPUNCH SUCCESSFUL!

Nice hit Champ.

[Jeril]

That there's an entire industry of Trump aides and supporters who try and spin the President as a stable genius everytime he spouts something racist, inhumane or downright legal is mystifying.

Yah, how dare he do legal things, LOL.

[HOUSE]

Yah, how dare he do legal things, LOL.

You're right. It's not the people spinning it that are the problem. Its mouth breathers that lap it up.

[Parkbandit]

You're right. It's not the people spinning it that are the problem. Its mouth breathers that lap it up.

The irony here... but I know you don't understand how hypocritical you sound.

Because you have no self awareness.

[Seran]

Another former Trumper has come unglued about the mismanagement of the country. Matthis, Esper, it's a bad day when the current and former military advisors start speaking out against a Republican president.


Mattis tears into Trump: 'We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership


Former Secretary of Defense James Mattis castigated President Donald Trump as "the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people" in a forceful rebuke of his former boss as nationwide protests have intensified over the death of George Floyd.

"Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people—does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us," Mattis said.

"We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/politics/mattis-statement-trump/index.html

[Tgo01]

Another former Trumper has come unglued about the mismanagement of the country. Matthis, Esper, it's a bad day when the current and former military advisors start speaking out against a Republican president.





https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/politics/mattis-statement-trump/index.html

Always funny watching Democrats praise people they should be ideologically opposed to. Wasn't Mattis the one who wanted to keep troops in Iraq and Afghanistan like forever and was really upset when Trump wanted to move troops out of Syria?

Reminds me of when "The View" praised an actual white supremacist (not just the left's idea of a white supremacist) because he said things against Trump too.

[~Rocktar~]

Another former Trumper has come unglued about the mismanagement of the country. Matthis, Esper, it's a bad day when the current and former military advisors start speaking out against a Republican president.





https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/politics/mattis-statement-trump/index.html

What a disgruntled former employee.

[time4fun]

What a disgruntled former employee.

Yes. One who had a front row seat to what Trump was doing.

And a man who has shown more patriotism for his country in the last 12 hours than you have in your entire life.

[Tgo01]

And a man who has shown more patriotism for his country in the last 12 hours than you have in your entire life.

time4fun is now praising a guy who wanted us to stay in Syria forever. How does it feel to have absolutely no morals or convictions?