Some arguments against legalization

[~Rocktar~]

So this guy has a book with piles of evidence from scientific studies and real data on the use and abuse of Marijuana and it's link to psychosis and violent crime. This is an article with a kind of summary:

https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/marijuana-mental-illness-violence/

And here are two very important points that he brings up:


Over the last 30 years, psychiatrists and epidemiologists have turned speculation about marijuana’s dangers into science. Yet over the same period, a shrewd and expensive lobbying campaign has pushed public attitudes about marijuana the other way. And the effects are now becoming apparent.

Almost everything you think you know about the health effects of cannabis, almost everything advocates and the media have told you for a generation, is wrong.

and


Cannabis users today are also consuming a drug that is far more potent than ever before, as measured by the amount of THC—delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, the chemical in cannabis responsible for its psychoactive effects—it contains. In the 1970s, the last time this many Americans used cannabis, most marijuana contained less than two percent THC. Today, marijuana routinely contains 20 to 25 percent THC, thanks to sophisticated farming and cloning techniques—as well as to a demand by users for cannabis that produces a stronger high more quickly. In states where cannabis is legal, many users prefer extracts that are nearly pure THC. Think of the difference between near-beer and a martini, or even grain alcohol, to understand the difference.

You can think what you want and insult me until the cows come home. What you think you know is likely wrong, it isn't harmless and it does cause problems. While the movie Reefer Madness from back in the day has been ridiculed and discredited it seems that a lot of it's claims, while sensationalized, are proving to be accurate to one degree or another.

[Gelston]

I think they should legalize every illicit drug. I'm betting more people have died in the "war on drugs" than from the actual drugs themselves.

[Taernath]

ok boomer

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

There have been very few significant studies of marijuana for the last 50 years, because of the controlled substances act of 1970.

The "piles of evidence" you reference, likely don't exist.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

and I'm also for legalizing everything.

I'm just stating fact that real, clinical lab analysis, is exceptionally rare regards marijuana. It's incredibly difficult to pass all the bars required to even do a study. It's a schedule 1 drug.

[Parkbandit]

and I'm also for legalizing everything.

I'm just stating fact that real, clinical lab analysis, is exceptionally rare regards marijuana. It's incredibly difficult to pass all the bars required to even do a study. It's a schedule 1 drug.

So, you believe they should legalize:

Ecstacy?
Heroin?
LSD?
Cocaine?
Methamphetamine?
Crack?
Fetanyl?

[Candor]

I have seen marijuana ruin lives by basically putting a person's ambition in a pause mode that never ends. It makes no sense to me to legalize it (except for medical purposes).

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

So, you believe they should legalize:

Ecstacy?
Heroin?
LSD?
Cocaine?
Methamphetamine?
Crack?
Fetanyl?

Yep, all of it.

[Gelston]

So, you believe they should legalize:

Ecstacy?
Heroin?
LSD?
Cocaine?
Methamphetamine?
Crack?
Fetanyl?

This is America. We value freedoms. Legalize all that shit. I bet our Southern border becomes more stable. Shit can have warning labels on it and be sold from responsible vendors. Taxes on it can pay for treatments and many other things.

[audioserf]

I have seen marijuana ruin lives by basically putting a person's ambition in a pause mode that never ends. It makes no sense to me to legalize it (except for medical purposes).

Those people were probably going to be losers anyway.

You can cite just as many 'I knew a guy' stories like that but about beer/vodka/whatever. If alcohol is legal, something that grows out of the ground absolutely should be. And I don't even use it, personally, I just think it's wild that it's a schedule 1 controlled substance.

If we didn't have private prisons who profit on a per-prisoner basis, and if drug manufacturer lobbyists didn't exist, we'd probably make progress toward legalizing.

[Astray]

Eat my balls.

[Gelston]

Eat my balls.

It is not illegal for him to literally eat your balls, so long as you allow it.

[Astray]

It is not illegal for him to literally eat your balls, so long as you allow it.

I don't consent. Anyone that wholeheartedly believes this:
Almost everything you think you know about the health effects of cannabis, almost everything advocates and the media have told you for a generation, is wrong.

Probably still uses a bib to drink and is unable to properly eat balls.

[Taernath]

Eat my balls.

8-balls?

[Astray]

8-balls?

3. The 4th one went missing a few days ago but he'll come around.

[rolfard]

https://www.pri.org/stories/2012-05-25/japanese-artist-cooks-and-serves-his-own-genitals

[Astray]

https://www.pri.org/stories/2012-05-25/japanese-artist-cooks-and-serves-his-own-genitals

https://i.imgur.com/LYKvdZJ.jpg

[Parkbandit]

This is America. We value freedoms. Legalize all that shit. I bet our Southern border becomes more stable. Shit can have warning labels on it and be sold from responsible vendors. Taxes on it can pay for treatments and many other things.

And watch our healthcare expenses explode with the new "diseases" that come with chemical dependency.

Great idea.. really.

And while we "value freedom" there are plenty of things we are not free to do.

Schedule 2 drugs should remain things we are not free to do.

[Gelston]

And watch our healthcare expenses explode with the new "diseases" that come with chemical dependency.

Great idea.. really.

And while we "value freedom" there are plenty of things we are not free to do.

Schedule 2 drugs should remain things we are not free to do.

Rofl, they wouldn't explode anymore than they do currently, except there would be an entirely new tax revenue.

[Astray]

The only reason I would be against legalization, at least in Arizona, is because the money generated isn't necessarily mandated to be put back into infrastructure. To explain that, they could basically use that money to erect a dozen statues and nobody could bitch about it or call shenanigans. I don't know how it is in other states but yeah, Arizona is fucking stupid in that regard.

It's one of the reasons why, behind the initiative, is to have marijuana exempt from taxing and regulation. Which, fat fucking chance.

[Neveragain]

Cannabis users today are also consuming a drug that is far more potent than ever before, as measured by the amount of THC—delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, the chemical in cannabis responsible for its psychoactive effects—it contains. In the 1970s, the last time this many Americans used cannabis, most marijuana contained less than two percent THC. Today, marijuana routinely contains 20 to 25 percent THC, thanks to sophisticated farming and cloning techniques—as well as to a demand by users for cannabis that produces a stronger high more quickly. In states where cannabis is legal, many users prefer extracts that are nearly pure THC. Think of the difference between near-beer and a martini, or even grain alcohol, to understand the difference.

So basically, anything above 6% alcohol content should be illegal?


Alex Berenson is a graduate of Yale University with degrees in history and economics.

This guy isn't a psychologist, a doctor or a scientist. His knowledge on the subject is equal to that of a fry cook, probably less.

Really where the question lies is, is it liberty to put a person in prison for altering their state mind like humans have done since they crawled out of caves?

Something tells me, no.

Further reading shows they can't link cannabis use to the rise in psychosis. It would be just as easy to say that the increased consumption of processed foods is the cause of rising cases of psychosis.

Awesome propaganda material though.

Cannabis and violence..................omfg.

[Methais]

So this guy has a book with piles of evidence from scientific studies and real data on the use and abuse of Marijuana and it's link to psychosis and violent crime. This is an article with a kind of summary:

https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/marijuana-mental-illness-violence/

And here are two very important points that he brings up:



and



You can think what you want and insult me until the cows come home. What you think you know is likely wrong, it isn't harmless and it does cause problems. While the movie Reefer Madness from back in the day has been ridiculed and discredited it seems that a lot of it's claims, while sensationalized, are proving to be accurate to one degree or another.

Prohibition will never stop people from getting weed or any other drug they want to be doing. Buying it off the streets vs. in a shop just opens up 482370423 different shitty possibilities that I doubt I have to explain here, therefore I'm not going to because I'm lazy. Unless you really need me to.

Throwing people in jail and wrecking their lives even worse than the drug(s) you're supposedly saving them from fucking up their lives with is also the opposite of any sort of solution.

[Neveragain]

Rofl, they wouldn't explode anymore than they do currently, except there would be an entirely new tax revenue.

What? You wouldn't run out and start banging heroin if it was legal? What's wrong with you?

[Neveragain]

https://i.imgur.com/LYKvdZJ.jpg


The nuclear weapons tests of the United States were performed between 1945 and 1992 as part of the nuclear arms race. The United States conducted around 1,054 nuclear tests by official count, including 216 atmospheric, underwater, and space tests.


Government:

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[Astray]

Also the government:

"Take some opioids, just stay off the crystal."

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

And watch our healthcare expenses explode with the new "diseases" that come with chemical dependency.

Great idea.. really.

And while we "value freedom" there are plenty of things we are not free to do.

Schedule 2 drugs should remain things we are not free to do.

by your logic, should we ban alcohol, sugary drinks and beef with greater than 2% fat?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Because there are studies that show dependency on sugar alcohol and fat. Ok maybe not fat but it’s coming.

[audioserf]

Because there are studies that show dependency on sugar alcohol and fat. Ok maybe not fat but it’s coming.

Yep. I can't readily produce what I'm thinking of, but I know I've read a few times over the years that the reason 'junk food' is so tempting and satisfying is that the combination of sugar and fat releases just the right kind of brain chemical to make you want more of it ASAP. Unless you want to go full Mayor Mike Bloomberg and ban big sodas, Oreos, and french fries, it's a slippery slope.

[Astray]

Because there are studies that show dependency on sugar alcohol and fat. Ok maybe not fat but it’s coming.

Trans fats are already being regulated. Just go the full mile, fuck personal responsibility. The gubmint takin' care of me.

[Gelston]

The only reason I would be against legalization, at least in Arizona, is because the money generated isn't necessarily mandated to be put back into infrastructure. To explain that, they could basically use that money to erect a dozen statues and nobody could bitch about it or call shenanigans. I don't know how it is in other states but yeah, Arizona is fucking stupid in that regard.

It's one of the reasons why, behind the initiative, is to have marijuana exempt from taxing and regulation. Which, fat fucking chance.

Nah, I'd have it hit with the same sort of taxes you hit cifs and booze with.

[audioserf]

Big Pharma can literally air TV commercials for drugs and encourage you, Joe Random Fuckhead, who didn't attend medical school, to talk to your doctor and ask about DickPill5000. America is one of, if not the only country in the world where this is allowed. Elsewhere, the corporations develop the drugs, pitch them to the medical community and it's up to the physician to prescribe what they feel appropriate based on their medical training.

But SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN if you get caught with some fuckin weed on you in most places in the US, lol. When it comes to drugs, this country really can't see the forest for the trees. And that's not even touching on how hard pharma lobby against legal weed. They want you hooked on oxys. They don't want you to figure out that smoking a joint might make you feel better without their product.

[Astray]

Nah, I'd have it hit with the same sort of taxes you hit cifs and booze with.

Which is fine.

It really only gets weird when you look at people still going to 'illegal' dealers because store prices are fucked.

[Methais]

And that's not even touching on how hard pharma lobby against legal weed. They want you hooked on oxys. They don't want you to figure out that smoking a joint might make you feel better without their product.

And if you do figure it out, jail. Straight to jail.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiyfwZVAzGw

[audioserf]

And if you do figure it out, jail. Straight to jail.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiyfwZVAzGw

Lol

[Gelston]

Which is fine.

It really only gets weird when you look at people still going to 'illegal' dealers because store prices are fucked.

Black markets will never vanish. It was huge for cigs on Hawaii due to state sales tax. Military dudes and people with on base purchasing ability would sell cartons in town. Still, it'll cut down illegal drugs heavily and strangle the drug cartels.

[Astray]

Black markets will never vanish. Still, it'll cut down illegal drugs heavily and strangle the drug cartels.

Yep. I'm fine with that.

[~Rocktar~]

Yep, just as I predicted, the retardation in this thread just spews all over the place. Not even going to bother arguing it just have this to say:

Authors without any related industry education have been writing books with compilations of very technical and sophisticated information to successfully argue both good and bad points. Every other argument here is pure, unadulterated, ignorant whinging.

[Gelston]

Yep, just as I predicted, the retardation in this thread just spews all over the place. Not even going to bother arguing it just have this to say:

Authors without any related industry education have been writing books with compilations of very technical and sophisticated information to successfully argue both good and bad points. Every other argument here is pure, unadulterated, ignorant whinging.

"Only things I post are correct and if you disagree you are retarded and ignorant whiners"

[Astray]

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Fixed.

[Taernath]

Yep, just as I predicted, the retardation in this thread just spews all over the place. Not even going to bother arguing it just have this to say:

Authors without any related industry education have been writing books with compilations of very technical and sophisticated information to successfully argue both good and bad points. Every other argument here is pure, unadulterated, ignorant whinging.

10-4 dinosaur

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yep, just as I predicted, the retardation in this thread just spews all over the place. Not even going to bother arguing it just have this to say:

Authors without any related industry education have been writing books with compilations of very technical and sophisticated information to successfully argue both good and bad points. Every other argument here is pure, unadulterated, ignorant whinging.

Huh? Authors write books both for and against. Posts here are for and against.

[audioserf]

"Here is a post, it contains a link and two quotes. If you don't agree with the link and quotes and, by extension, me, you are dumb."-OP apparently

[Methais]

Yep, just as everyone predicted, my retardation in this thread just spews all over the place. Not even going to bother arguing it just have this to say:

Every argument here is pure, unadulterated, common sense that I'm unable to process.

This is correct.

[Alfster]

Huh? Authors write books both for and against. Posts here are for and against.

Yah. It's usually tough to follow his logic, but this here is full on rage tard.

[Wrathbringer]

I have seen marijuana ruin lives by basically putting a person's ambition in a pause mode that never ends. It makes no sense to me to legalize it (except for medical purposes).

You're retarded.