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Seran
12-15-2019, 01:29 PM
50% of Americans now say Donald Trump should be impeached and removed from office, with another 9% supporting impeachment without removal.

Just like Nixon, support is fraying rapidly for the president, hopefully the Senate will see the writing on the wall and vote to impeach as well.

Fox News Poll (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-results-december-8-11-2019)

drauz
12-15-2019, 02:46 PM
50% of Americans now say Donald Trump should be impeached and removed from office, with another 9% supporting impeachment without removal.

Just like Nixon, support is fraying rapidly for the president, hopefully the Senate will see the writing on the wall and vote to impeach as well.

Fox News Poll (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-results-december-8-11-2019)

Didn't more than half the population vote against him? This is hardly surprising.

I'm more troubled by the sub 25% approval rating for Congress, but some how the incumbents keep winning.

Taernath
12-15-2019, 02:59 PM
Didn't more than half the population vote against him?

Half of voters, not population. Only 56% of the population voted.


I'm more troubled by the sub 25% approval rating for Congress, but some how the incumbents keep winning.

It's what happens when people don't vote in state & local elections.

drauz
12-15-2019, 03:23 PM
It's what happens when people don't vote in state & local elections.

I think its more "It's not our guy, it's all the other Congressmen!"

But I agree, more people should vote in all elections.

Gelston
12-15-2019, 03:23 PM
Half of voters, not population. Only 56% of the population voted.





And far, far less participated in this poll.

Seran
12-15-2019, 03:31 PM
Didn't more than half the population vote against him? This is hardly surprising.

I'm more troubled by the sub 25% approval rating for Congress, but some how the incumbents keep winning.

There's such a huge difference between 50% of people believing there's enough evidence to impeach and remove a sitting president than just people deciding they'll not vote for him. Earlier polls were flipped, far fewer people supported removal but half supported Impeachment but not removal.

That a combined 59% support impeachment altogether given the sampling says a lot, namely there's now bipartisan support.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
12-15-2019, 03:41 PM
And far, far less participated in this poll.

What percent participated in the UK polls?

What percent participated in the 2016 polls where Shillary was gonna win by a landslide?

Tgo01
12-15-2019, 03:41 PM
Is this the same Fox poll company that grossly over sampled Democrats in their last poll on this question?

Suppa Hobbit Mage
12-15-2019, 03:42 PM
Maybe conservatives know saying their opinion in the open makes the targets for the lamestream media and out of their mind wanna be communist/socialists.

audioserf
12-16-2019, 09:58 AM
The best thing about a 50% poll is that it's not even news, because you could have titled this thread "50% of Americans Oppose Impeachment and Removal from Office"

50% OF POSTERS IN THIS THREAD ARE MORONS... try to guess who!

(it me)

Parkbandit
12-16-2019, 01:38 PM
50% of Americans now say Donald Trump should be impeached and removed from office, with another 9% supporting impeachment without removal.

Just like Nixon, support is fraying rapidly for the president, hopefully the Senate will see the writing on the wall and vote to impeach as well.

Fox News Poll (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-results-december-8-11-2019)

I love how much faith you continue to put into polls.

Seran
12-16-2019, 01:44 PM
I love how much faith you continue to put into polls.

They're a legitimate, but not always accurate tool politicians use to steer their legislation or their campaigns. I don't hold 100% faith in polling results, however it's pretty significant that there's been an uptick in the number of folks wanting Trump removed.

Gelston
12-16-2019, 02:09 PM
They're a legitimate, but not always accurate tool politicians use to steer their legislation or their campaigns. I don't hold 100% faith in polling results, however it's pretty significant that there's been an uptick in the number of folks wanting Trump removed.

I bet if you conducted the same poll in San Francisco you'd see an even larger uptick. But okay.

Seran
12-16-2019, 02:34 PM
Right and if we decided the Presidential elections solely on a vote of those who post here the most, Trump would be President for the next thirty years with Dreaven as his VP

Parkbandit
12-16-2019, 02:35 PM
They're a legitimate, but not always accurate tool politicians use to steer their legislation or their campaigns. I don't hold 100% faith in polling results, however it's pretty significant that there's been an uptick in the number of folks wanting Trump removed.

Polls are extremely easy to manipulate, depending on what result you would like to have.

They are also very dependent upon the people being polled to tell the truth....

Parkbandit
12-16-2019, 02:36 PM
Right and if we decided the Presidential elections solely on a vote of those who post here the most, Trump would be President for the next thirty years with Dreaven as his VP

Wut?

I know you were really hoping and trying to make an intelligent point... but you failed miserably.

Gelston
12-16-2019, 02:39 PM
Right and if we decided the Presidential elections solely on a vote of those who post here the most, Trump would be President for the next thirty years with Dreaven as his VP

Congrats, you help me prove my point that polls are fucking useless.

Tgo01
12-16-2019, 03:42 PM
Right and if we decided the Presidential elections solely on a vote of those who post here the most, Trump would be President for the next thirty years with Dreaven as his VP

Yes we can!

Methais
12-16-2019, 06:03 PM
Right and if we decided the Presidential elections solely on a vote of those who post here the most, Trump would be President for the next thirty years with Dreaven as his VP

MAKE ME PRESS SECRETARY PLZ

kutter
12-17-2019, 02:29 AM
Looking at one poll is pointless, fivethirtyeight.com, hardly a bastion of conservatism, has an interesting overall view at: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

There a couple of things interesting about this, one no majority either way about impeachment, second only 83.1% of democrats, yes I know, it s a lot, but its also 17% that say no, that's a REALLY big number in the scheme of things. Third only 42.8 percent of independents. Considering that races are won and lost on far closer margins, that is pretty telling. The 8.6% of republicans was actually a lower number than I thought given RINOS like Meghan McCain and Mitt Romney spreading their ilk.

What I also find interesting is they grade each poll, no idea how they come up with that data, don't really care, but even more interesting is how the individual polls worded the questions. You can get the results you want by wording polls in specific ways. Personally I think the dems have overplayed their hand, people are tired of 3 years of this, they want it to be over. McConnell might be giving them a gift if he just holds a simple vote the day the articles are sent to the Senate, assuming they are, and acquits and it is over.

Tgo01
12-17-2019, 02:52 AM
Looking at one poll is pointless, fivethirtyeight.com, hardly a bastion of conservatism, has an interesting overall view at: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

There a couple of things interesting about this, one no majority either way about impeachment, second only 83.1% of democrats, yes I know, it s a lot, but its also 17% that say no, that's a REALLY big number in the scheme of things. Third only 42.8 percent of independents. Considering that races are won and lost on far closer margins, that is pretty telling. The 8.6% of republicans was actually a lower number than I thought given RINOS like Meghan McCain and Mitt Romney spreading their ilk.

What I also find interesting is they grade each poll, no idea how they come up with that data, don't really care, but even more interesting is how the individual polls worded the questions. You can get the results you want by wording polls in specific ways. Personally I think the dems have overplayed their hand, people are tired of 3 years of this, they want it to be over. McConnell might be giving them a gift if he just holds a simple vote the day the articles are sent to the Senate, assuming they are, and acquits and it is over.

Not a good sign at all for Democrats that more Democrats are against impeachment than Republicans are for.

Fierna
12-17-2019, 04:56 AM
Not a good sign at all for Democrats that more Democrats are against impeachment than Republicans are for.

It’s not if he’s going to get convicted or not( everyone knows he isn’t) it’s how much of those 66 votes he’s going to notch up. (aka how many repubs are going to join the dems) If >1 or 2, possible cracks in 2020. 3~5 , Trump should worry and perhaps re-assess his campaign. >5 and 2020 will turn against trump. Double digit... jail time.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
12-17-2019, 08:18 AM
It’s not if he’s going to get convicted or not( everyone knows he isn’t) it’s how much of those 66 votes he’s going to notch up. (aka how many repubs are going to join the dems) If >1 or 2, possible cracks in 2020. 3~5 , Trump should worry and perhaps re-assess his campaign. >5 and 2020 will turn against trump. Double digit... jail time.

Where is your zero option?

kutter
12-17-2019, 08:20 AM
It’s not if he’s going to get convicted or not( everyone knows he isn’t) it’s how much of those 66 votes he’s going to notch up. (aka how many repubs are going to join the dems) If >1 or 2, possible cracks in 2020. 3~5 , Trump should worry and perhaps re-assess his campaign. >5 and 2020 will turn against trump. Double digit... jail time.

Actually I stumbled across an article somewhere on that very thing and the assessment was 56 Senators would not vote to convict and some Democrats would cross over, it might have been on 538, not sure. Lest we forget impeachment is a political tool, not a legal one and the one thing the rats in DC love even more than they hate Trump is their jobs, their barely work, get payed lots of money in perpetuity jobs.

Fierna
12-17-2019, 08:27 AM
Actually I stumbled across an article somewhere on that very thing and the assessment was 56 Senators would not vote to convict and some Democrats would cross over, it might have been on 538, not sure. Lest we forget impeachment is a political tool, not a legal one and the one thing the rats in DC love even more than they hate Trump is their jobs, their barely work, get payed lots of money in perpetuity jobs.

I have to agree on the latter points, they are basically paid to fuck around and troll each other. Like posting in the politics folder here just getting paid 200 grand.

Candor
12-17-2019, 08:34 AM
Reality Check:

Trump isn't going to get convicted by the Senate.

Trump is going to win reelection in 2020.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
12-17-2019, 08:37 AM
Reality Check:

Trump isn't going to get convicted by the Senate.

Trump is going to win reelection in 2020.

Duh. Look at the field, no one can beat him that's in it.

Methais
12-17-2019, 09:00 AM
Reality Check:

Trump isn't going to get convicted by the Senate.

Trump is going to win reelection in 2020.

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