Trump's Tax Returns

[ClydeR]

Trump's lawyers have told him that the law is "100 percent" on Trump's side that he won't have to release his tax returns to Congress. I heard several people on teevee cite the law, and I found it (http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:26%20section:6103%20edition: prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title26-section6103)&f=treesort&edition=prelim&num=0&jumpTo=true). It's pasted below.

Here is how I predict it will play out. The IRS will have to release Trump's tax returns to the Congressional committee that requested them. Because the returns are specific to a particular taxpayer, it will be in an "executive session," which means closed door hearing of the committee. The fight will become about whether or not Trump has to leave a copy of the returns with the committee or if his lawyers can give the committee the returns to review for an hour in the executive session and then take them away. In addition, there is a problematic part at the end of the quoted law below about whistleblowers.


(f) Disclosure to Committees of Congress


(1) Committee on Ways and Means, Committee on Finance, and Joint Committee on Taxation


Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.


(2) Chief of Staff of Joint Committee on Taxation


Upon written request by the Chief of Staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish him with any return or return information specified in such request. Such Chief of Staff may submit such return or return information to any committee described in paragraph (1), except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.


(3) Other committees


Pursuant to an action by, and upon written request by the chairman of, a committee of the Senate or the House of Representatives (other than a committee specified in paragraph (1)) specially authorized to inspect any return or return information by a resolution of the Senate or the House of Representatives or, in the case of a joint committee (other than the joint committee specified in paragraph (1)) by concurrent resolution, the Secretary shall furnish such committee, or a duly authorized and designated subcommittee thereof, sitting in closed executive session, with any return or return information which such resolution authorizes the committee or subcommittee to inspect. Any resolution described in this paragraph shall specify the purpose for which the return or return information is to be furnished and that such information cannot reasonably be obtained from any other source.


(4) Agents of committees and submission of information to Senate or House of Representatives


(A) Committees described in paragraph (1)


Any committee described in paragraph (1) or the Chief of Staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation shall have the authority, acting directly, or by or through such examiners or agents as the chairman of such committee or such chief of staff may designate or appoint, to inspect returns and return information at such time and in such manner as may be determined by such chairman or chief of staff. Any return or return information obtained by or on behalf of such committee pursuant to the provisions of this subsection may be submitted by the committee to the Senate or the House of Representatives, or to both. The Joint Committee on Taxation may also submit such return or return information to any other committee described in paragraph (1), except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.

(B) Other committees


Any committee or subcommittee described in paragraph (3) shall have the right, acting directly, or by or through no more than four examiners or agents, designated or appointed in writing in equal numbers by the chairman and ranking minority member of such committee or subcommittee, to inspect returns and return information at such time and in such manner as may be determined by such chairman and ranking minority member. Any return or return information obtained by or on behalf of such committee or subcommittee pursuant to the provisions of this subsection may be submitted by the committee to the Senate or the House of Representatives, or to both, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer, shall be furnished to the Senate or the House of Representatives only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.


(5) Disclosure by whistleblower


Any person who otherwise has or had access to any return or return information under this section may disclose such return or return information to a committee referred to in paragraph (1) or any individual authorized to receive or inspect information under paragraph (4)(A) if such person believes such return or return information may relate to possible misconduct, maladministration, or taxpayer abuse.

[Androidpk]

China if you're out there I hope you're able to find Trump's missing tax returns. You'll be mightily rewarded by the press if you do.

[Astray]

by the press

Pffffffft.

[Androidpk]

Chuck Grassley (R) said on Fox News that Congress does indeed have the authority to get anyone's tax returns.

[Wrathbringer]

Trump's lawyers have told him that the law is "100 percent" on Trump's side that he won't have to release his tax returns to Congress. I heard several people on teevee cite the law, and I found it (http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:26%20section:6103%20edition: prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title26-section6103)&f=treesort&edition=prelim&num=0&jumpTo=true). It's pasted below.

Here is how I predict it will play out. The IRS will have to release Trump's tax returns to the Congressional committee that requested them. Because the returns are specific to a particular taxpayer, it will be in an "executive session," which means closed door hearing of the committee. The fight will become about whether or not Trump has to leave a copy of the returns with the committee or if his lawyers can give the committee the returns to review for an hour in the executive session and then take them away. In addition, there is a problematic part at the end of the quoted law below about whistleblowers.


(f) Disclosure to Committees of Congress


(1) Committee on Ways and Means, Committee on Finance, and Joint Committee on Taxation


Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.


(2) Chief of Staff of Joint Committee on Taxation


Upon written request by the Chief of Staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish him with any return or return information specified in such request. Such Chief of Staff may submit such return or return information to any committee described in paragraph (1), except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.


(3) Other committees


Pursuant to an action by, and upon written request by the chairman of, a committee of the Senate or the House of Representatives (other than a committee specified in paragraph (1)) specially authorized to inspect any return or return information by a resolution of the Senate or the House of Representatives or, in the case of a joint committee (other than the joint committee specified in paragraph (1)) by concurrent resolution, the Secretary shall furnish such committee, or a duly authorized and designated subcommittee thereof, sitting in closed executive session, with any return or return information which such resolution authorizes the committee or subcommittee to inspect. Any resolution described in this paragraph shall specify the purpose for which the return or return information is to be furnished and that such information cannot reasonably be obtained from any other source.


(4) Agents of committees and submission of information to Senate or House of Representatives


(A) Committees described in paragraph (1)


Any committee described in paragraph (1) or the Chief of Staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation shall have the authority, acting directly, or by or through such examiners or agents as the chairman of such committee or such chief of staff may designate or appoint, to inspect returns and return information at such time and in such manner as may be determined by such chairman or chief of staff. Any return or return information obtained by or on behalf of such committee pursuant to the provisions of this subsection may be submitted by the committee to the Senate or the House of Representatives, or to both. The Joint Committee on Taxation may also submit such return or return information to any other committee described in paragraph (1), except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.

(B) Other committees


Any committee or subcommittee described in paragraph (3) shall have the right, acting directly, or by or through no more than four examiners or agents, designated or appointed in writing in equal numbers by the chairman and ranking minority member of such committee or subcommittee, to inspect returns and return information at such time and in such manner as may be determined by such chairman and ranking minority member. Any return or return information obtained by or on behalf of such committee or subcommittee pursuant to the provisions of this subsection may be submitted by the committee to the Senate or the House of Representatives, or to both, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer, shall be furnished to the Senate or the House of Representatives only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.


(5) Disclosure by whistleblower


Any person who otherwise has or had access to any return or return information under this section may disclose such return or return information to a committee referred to in paragraph (1) or any individual authorized to receive or inspect information under paragraph (4)(A) if such person believes such return or return information may relate to possible misconduct, maladministration, or taxpayer abuse.

Oh look, it's another butthurt retard. You and pk should have lunch. I mean, you'll have to pay for his meal, but at least you'll get to "butthurt out" over trump with someone as or more retarded than you are. I'd suggest you invite Back and triple the butthurt, but I'm not sure the world is ready for that much stupid WAAAAAAAAAAAAHH together at one time.

[Androidpk]

Oh look, it's another butthurt retard. You and pk should have lunch. I mean, you'll have to pay for his meal, but at least you'll get to "butthurt out" over trump with someone as or more retarded than you are. I'd suggest you invite Back and triple the butthurt, but I'm not sure the world is ready for that much stupid WAAAAAAAAAAAAHH together at one time.

Oh look it's another butthurt MAGA troll crying about what people post.

[Methais]

Oh look, it's another butthurt retard. You and pk should have lunch. I mean, you'll have to pay for his meal, but at least you'll get to "butthurt out" over trump with someone as or more retarded than you are. I'd suggest you invite Back and triple the butthurt, but I'm not sure the world is ready for that much stupid WAAAAAAAAAAAAHH together at one time.

This is correct.

Also, shut up Clyde Retard.

[Methais]

Oh look it's another butthurt MAGA troll crying about what people post.

Remember when you cried so hard about what people post that you tried to dox me irl and get me fired and threatened to have your pretend pro-bono lawyer subpoena Kranar for IP records on people who made you butthurt though?

Remember that you retarded scumbag? :lol:

[kutter]

What I want to know, if you want to see tax returns, why only POTUS, why not EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL ANYWHERE. How about that, maybe then you can explain to me how someone making 174K a year is worth 120 million dollars, that is Nancy Pelosis current estimated wealth.

I am going to be generous here and say that she earned her current speaker salary for her entire 31 years in congress and she put every penny she made into savings, and she earned a 10% return annually over the entire 31 years that she never spent a penny to live on, her adjusted net worth should only be about: $7,552,686.39. That's rough of course.

So before we go and worry about the returns of someone that made his money BEFORE he was an elected official, lets first look at people that amassed HUGE sums of money WHILE elected officials.

[Methais]

What I want to know, if you want to see tax returns, why only POTUS, why not EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL ANYWHERE. How about that, maybe then you can explain to me how someone making 174K a year is worth 120 million dollars, that is Nancy Pelosis current estimated wealth.

I am going to be generous here and say that she earned her current speaker salary for her entire 31 years in congress and she put every penny she made into savings, and she earned a 10% return annually over the entire 31 years that she never spent a penny to live on, her adjusted net worth should only be about: $7,552,686.39. That's rough of course.

So before we go and worry about the returns of someone that made his money BEFORE he was an elected official, lets first look at people that amassed HUGE sums of money WHILE elected officials.

I hope Trump comes out and is like "I'll show my tax returns as soon as everyone in Congress signs a legally binding agreement to show their tax returns too."

99% of Congress will be like:

https://media.giphy.com/media/4pMX5rJ4PYAEM/giphy.gif

[Wrathbringer]

Remember when you cried so hard about what people post that you tried to dox me irl and get me fired and threatened to have your pretend pro-bono lawyer subpoena Kranar for IP records on people who made you butthurt though?

Remember that you retarded scumbag? :lol:

This is correct.

[Back]

Trump said he would show his tax returns when he ran for president if Obama showed his birth certificate.

Is anyone really surprised Trump did not hold up his end? He's shown time after time that he will lie and cheat given the chance even when he doesn't have to.

[Wrathbringer]

Trump said he would show his tax returns when he ran for president if Obama showed his birth certificate.

Is anyone really surprised Trump did not hold up his end? He's shown time after time that he will lie and cheat given the chance even when he doesn't have to.

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[Methais]

Trump said he would show his tax returns when he ran for president if Obama showed his birth certificate.

Is anyone really surprised Trump did not hold up his end? He's shown time after time that he will lie and cheat given the chance even when he doesn't have to.

What would you think about everyone in Congress having to show their tax returns?


9301

This is correct.

[Stumplicker]

China if you're out there I hope you're able to find Trump's missing tax returns. You'll be mightily rewarded by the press if you do.

Has anyone else pointed out the irony yet that according to Androidpk, this comment is now proof of collusion with China to interfere with US Politics?

[Methais]

Has anyone else pointed out the irony yet that according to Androidpk, this comment is now proof of collusion with China to interfere with US Politics?

I'm pretty sure it was also a death threat.

[Stumplicker]

I'm pretty sure it was also a death threat.

I mean, it references what Trump said anyway, but coming from THAT "person", it's hilarious.

[Back]

9301

Why are you posting pictures of yourself still crying over Obama every night?

[Parkbandit]

Trump said he would show his tax returns when he ran for president if Obama showed his birth certificate.

Is anyone really surprised Trump did not hold up his end? He's shown time after time that he will lie and cheat given the chance even when he doesn't have to.

Until there is a law stating that Congress can see his tax returns, there isn't much anyone can do.

Pass the law that states anyone who runs for federal election needs to show X number of years of their tax returns.

What do you, specifically you, believe is in Trump's tax returns anyways? Or is this just more genned up outrage because "TRUMP!"?

[Parkbandit]

Has anyone else pointed out the irony yet that according to Androidpk, this comment is now proof of collusion with China to interfere with US Politics?

It has been pointed out a number of times what a raging hypocritical piece of shit Androidpk is. Not sure why this comes as a shock to you.

[Parkbandit]

Why are you posting pictures of yourself still crying over Obama every night?

Your "NOU" game is weak. Don't go there unless you can step it up.

[Back]

Until there is a law stating that Congress can see his tax returns, there isn't much anyone can do.

Pass the law that states anyone who runs for federal election needs to show X number of years of their tax returns.

What do you, specifically you, believe is in Trump's tax returns anyways? Or is this just more genned up outrage because "TRUMP!"?

I understand the privacy issue. Past presidents have done so as a gesture, not because they had to. Trump said he would and didn't. Much like how all the other promises he made during his campaign have never materialized.

Thats the kind of guy Trump is. He made Obama's birth certificate a huge issue. But when it comes down to it Trump is unapologetically and intentionally dishonest. Thats the kind of character he has.

[Tgo01]

I understand the privacy issue. Past presidents have done so as a gesture, not because they had to. Trump said he would and didn't. Much like how all the other promises he made during his campaign have never materialized.

Which campaign promises are those? Because he has kept a lot and tried his hardest to keep more.

[Parkbandit]

I understand the privacy issue. Past presidents have done so as a gesture, not because they had to. Trump said he would and didn't. Much like how all the other promises he made during his campaign have never materialized.

Thats the kind of guy Trump is. He made Obama's birth certificate a huge issue. But when it comes down to it Trump is unapologetically and intentionally dishonest. Thats the kind of character he has.

"Gestures" mean shit. Unless there is a law requiring a candidate to disclose his tax returns, then stop crying about it.

Trump has disclosed all the financial information that he is required to by law, which amounts to more information that you will get from his tax returns.

You're just upset because:

Trump won the election
Tax cuts
Growing economy
Wage increases
Deregulation
Obamacare mandate gone
Judges confirmed, especially Kavanaugh
No more NAFTA
US biggest oil producer
Etc....

And I get it. But again, what specific information do you hope to gain by looking at Trump's tax returns and how does it pertain to being the President?

You're being used because you are a useful idiot... nothing more.

[Astray]

Has anyone else pointed out the irony yet that according to Androidpk, this comment is now proof of collusion with China to interfere with US Politics?

I genuinely find the last part hilarious.

[Gelston]

Until there is a law stating that Congress can see his tax returns, there isn't much anyone can do.


There is such a law.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/6103


What I want to know, if you want to see tax returns, why only POTUS, why not EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL ANYWHERE. How about that, maybe then you can explain to me how someone making 174K a year is worth 120 million dollars, that is Nancy Pelosis current estimated wealth.

I am going to be generous here and say that she earned her current speaker salary for her entire 31 years in congress and she put every penny she made into savings, and she earned a 10% return annually over the entire 31 years that she never spent a penny to live on, her adjusted net worth should only be about: $7,552,686.39. That's rough of course.

So before we go and worry about the returns of someone that made his money BEFORE he was an elected official, lets first look at people that amassed HUGE sums of money WHILE elected officials.

This is why Congress isn't going to use their authority to get his tax returns.

[Back]

Trump said he would show his tax returns if Obama showed his birth certificate. Obama came through. Trump didn't. Trumps a chump.

[Wrathbringer]

Trump said he would show his tax returns if Obama showed his birth certificate. Obama came through. Trump didn't. Trumps a chump.

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[Neveragain]

I understand the privacy issue. Past presidents have done so as a gesture, not because they had to. Trump said he would and didn't. Much like how all the other promises he made during his campaign have never materialized.

Thats the kind of guy Trump is. He made Obama's birth certificate a huge issue. But when it comes down to it Trump is unapologetically and intentionally dishonest. Thats the kind of character he has.

On the flip side of the coin. What have the democrats done in the past 8 years besides make up fictional boogie man tales, fuck up health insurance and try to steal a national election?

Trump has done better than I think anyone really expected. Personally I think his admin needs to focus on leveraging the economy against a coming downturn. Long term trends point to a pretty predictable down slide in 2-3 years.

Watched part of Yang's interview with Rogan the other night. He at least comes off as an intelligent person and seems to at least acknowledge that he has an understanding of how automation will quickly impact our society over the coming decade/s. Sadly, I don't think he will do some of the things that need to happen so we can adapt to those coming changes. I would totally support a $1,000 monthly "universal income" if it came along with a "homestead/small business act" and the privatizing of federal land........

[Parkbandit]

Trump said he would show his tax returns if Obama showed his birth certificate. Obama came through. Trump didn't. Trumps a chump.

So, you are unable or unwilling to answer this question:

"But again, what specific information do you hope to gain by looking at Trump's tax returns and how does it pertain to being the President?"

[Wrathbringer]

So, you are unable or unwilling to answer this question:

"But again, what specific information do you hope to gain by looking at Trump's tax returns and how does it pertain to being the President?"

During the debates, he admitted to paying very little in taxes "Because I'm smart". So not sure what else they hope to learn besides something he's already admitted. They just want to point out publicly, for the thousandth time, that he didn't and hasn't released them. That's all.

[Tgo01]

During the debates, he admitted to paying very little in taxes "Because I'm smart". So not sure what else they hope to learn besides something he's already admitted. They just want to point out publicly, for the thousandth time, that he didn't and hasn't released them. That's all.

Remember Rachel Maddow's big "gotcha!" moment when she got a hold of one year of Trump's tax returns and it showed he paid tens of millions of dollars in taxes.

It's like the left is never satisfied.

[Androidpk]

The IRS has been given a deadline of April 23 to hand over Trump's taxes. According to the law if they fail to do so they risk being removed from their position and jailed for 5 years.

:popcorn:

[Gelston]

The IRS has been given a deadline of April 23 to hand over Trump's taxes. According to the law if they fail to do so they risk being removed from their position and jailed for 5 years.

:popcorn:

Yeah, they aren't going to do shit.

[Androidpk]

Yeah, they aren't going to do shit.

Congress or the Treasury?

[Gelston]

Congress or the Treasury?

Either.

[Wrathbringer]

The IRS has been given a deadline of April 23 to hand over Trump's taxes. According to the law if they fail to do so they risk being removed from their position and jailed for 5 years.

:popcorn:

Quoted for when nothing happens and you realize that once again you've been fooled by your stupid sources that you continue to trust. Maybe see about getting a life and stopping your butthurt TDS obsession with fake news.

[Parkbandit]

Quoted for when nothing happens and you realize that once again you've been fooled by your stupid sources that you continue to trust. Maybe see about getting a life and stopping your butthurt TDS obsession with fake news.

BUT TEH DAILY BEAST TOLD HIM SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN!!!

[Methais]

Quoted for when nothing happens and you realize that once again you've been fooled by your stupid sources that you continue to trust. Maybe see about getting a life and stopping your butthurt TDS obsession with fake news.

This is correct.

If it wouldn’t take forever to dig up the 9392843763264 post of pk being wrong about everything I’d say we need a thread dedicated to all the things pk insisted would happen and was wrong as usual.

Archives of pkfailure.

[Androidpk]

Kamala Harris released 15 years of tax returns. Meanwhile trump is still saying his returns are being audited and legally he can't show them to anyone because they're so special and complex that no one would be able to understand them.

[Methais]

My anus is extra sore today. I’m not sure why, because time4fun didn’t peg me THAT hard last night. At least compared to the usual.

Either way I’m very butthurt.

This is correct.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Kamala Harris released 15 years of tax returns. Meanwhile trump is still saying his returns are being audited and legally he can't show them to anyone because they're so special and complex that no one would be able to understand them.

And still, no one cares. PS, he won without releasing them, in case you missed it.

[Androidpk]

And still, no one cares. PS, he won without releasing them, in case you missed it.

I'd ask you to show a source saying no one cares about his tax returns but we all know you can't provide it.

[Gelston]

I'd ask you to show a source saying no one cares about his tax returns but we all know you can't provide it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/2016-election-donald-trump-wins-white-house-upset-n679936

That is a pretty good source. This "controversy" existed before he was even the Republican nominee.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'd ask you to show a source saying no one cares about his tax returns but we all know you can't provide it.

The source is there is no legal requirement. Period. End of story.

[Gelston]

The source is there is no legal requirement. Period. End of story.

There is if the House Ways and Means Committee requests it. Trump doesn't have the legal requirement to provide it, but the IRS does.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

There is if the House Ways and Means Committee requests it. Trump doesn't have the legal requirement to provide it, but the IRS does.

What law requires a presidential candidate to submit one or more years of tax returns to run for president?

[Gelston]

What law requires a presidential candidate to submit one or more years of tax returns to run for president?

It is a law written back in the 30s or something. I looked it over a few days ago and it is listed as one of the duties of the IRS, but only to this committee and only if requested by the Committee.

[Androidpk]

The source is there is no legal requirement. Period. End of story.

That's not what you said though. You said no one cares about his tax returns.

[Androidpk]

There is if the House Ways and Means Committee requests it. Trump doesn't have the legal requirement to provide it, but the IRS does.

Wasn't this law used to obtain Nixon's tax returns?

[Gelston]

(f) Disclosure to Committees of Congress
(1) Committee on Ways and Means, Committee on Finance, and Joint Committee on Taxation
Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/6103

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

That's not what you said though. You said no one cares about his tax returns.

Oh, I stand by that. Even you don't care about his returns.

[Gelston]

Wasn't this law used to obtain Nixon's tax returns?

No, it could have been, but Nixon gave his returns to a Joint Committee willingly.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

(f) Disclosure to Committees of Congress
(1) Committee on Ways and Means, Committee on Finance, and Joint Committee on Taxation
Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/6103

I don't read lawyer... but that looks like it says shall furnish a return, except any return associated with a particular taxpayer unless the taxpayer consents.

Am I reading it wrong? I fucking hate bullshit legalese.

[Gelston]

I don't read lawyer... but that looks like it says shall furnish a return, except any return associated with a particular taxpayer unless the taxpayer consents.

Am I reading it wrong? I fucking hate bullshit legalese.

It shall furnish unless it can identify a particular person, in which case it can only be in a closed session, or if the person consents to it being in an open session. The back part is all about protecting privacy basically. If Trump doesn't want the public to see his tax returns, then the public will never see his tax returns. The Committee will.

[Androidpk]

Oh, I stand by that. Even you don't care about his returns.

I'm pretty sure I do. I criticized him back in 2016 over it, especially because of his super shady excused he used. I think it should be a law that candidates for US gov should be required to disclose the previous 6 years of their taxes.

[Gelston]

I really don't think there should be any laws on who can run for office. If we elect a 2 year old capybara from a zoo in Brazil so be it. Our retarded asses did that.

[Tgo01]

I don't read lawyer... but that looks like it says shall furnish a return, except any return associated with a particular taxpayer unless the taxpayer consents.

Am I reading it wrong? I fucking hate bullshit legalese.

Doesn't matter, Trump will probably take this to the courts before giving his tax returns to the committee. Privacy of tax returns are taken very seriously in this country and for good reason; they contain a lot of personal information including social security number, location of properties, wealth, etc, and since people for the most part voluntarily pay their taxes the last thing the government wants to do is to start releasing people's tax returns for no good reason and risk fucking everything up. This is why there are serious laws about tax returns and who can even view tax returns or the returns of certain individuals. Just think about what a hero an IRS employee would be to the entire left if they released all of Trump's tax returns, but that hasn't happened yet because we're talking serious prison time here for anyone who did that, not to mention his tax returns were probably only accessible to a few number of people to begin with and probably even fewer people once he started running for president.

Now sure, if Congress has a good reason for wanting to see Trump's returns then that's fine, but realistically their reason is "WE LOST IN 2016 AND IT'S NOT FAIR!!!" Not exactly a good reason. Sure they say it's because they think Trump has committed a crime and lied about his wealth and all of that bullshit, all based on the testimony of convicted liar Cohen. Does Congress really think the courts are going to be so stupid as to believe they are going to find evidence of crimes being committed when the IRS couldn't even though they have indeed been constantly auditing Trump's returns for several years in a row now. Sure the liberal courts will eat that shit up willingly with a spoon, but no way SCOTUS is.

[Gelston]

Doesn't matter, Trump will probably take this to the courts before giving his tax returns to the committee. Privacy of tax returns are taken very seriously in this country and for good reason; they contain a lot of personal information including social security number, location of properties, wealth, etc, and since people for the most part voluntarily pay their taxes the last thing the government wants to do is to start releasing people's tax returns for no good reason and risk fucking everything up. This is why there are serious laws about tax returns and who can even view tax returns or the returns of certain individuals. Just think about what a hero an IRS employee would be to the entire left if they released all of Trump's tax returns, but that hasn't happened yet because we're talking serious prison time here for anyone who did that, not to mention his tax returns were probably only accessible to a few number of people to begin with and probably even fewer people once he started running for president.

Now sure, if Congress has a good reason for wanting to see Trump's returns then that's fine, but realistically their reason is "WE LOST IN 2016 AND IT'S NOT FAIR!!!" Not exactly a good reason. Sure they say it's because they think Trump has committed a crime and lied about his wealth and all of that bullshit, all based on the testimony of convicted liar Cohen. Does Congress really think the courts are going to be so stupid as to believe they are going to find evidence of crimes being committed when the IRS couldn't even though they have indeed been constantly auditing Trump's returns for several years in a row now. Sure the liberal courts will eat that shit up willingly with a spoon, but no way SCOTUS is.

Which is why the law has a privacy clause in it. He won't beat this in court, the law is over 80 years old.

The fact though, the only branch that can enforce anything is the Executive Branch. The IRS can drag their feet forever, say shit is lost, etc. The FBI has completely blown off subpoenas on more than one occasion.

I really don't see much coming from this.

[Tgo01]

Which is why the law has a privacy clause in it. He won't beat this in court, the law is over 80 years old.

Yeah but I don't think anyone has had any real reason to challenge it before. I think this law was created for one very specific scenario at the time and hasn't been used since, much less used to aid in a political attack.

Democrats will probably back off before it gets that far because they realize they will probably lose some of their powers if they push this too far.

[Gelston]

Yeah but I don't think anyone has had any real reason to challenge it before. I think this law was created for one very specific scenario at the time and hasn't been used since, much less used to aid in a political attack.

Democrats will probably back off before it gets that far because they realize they will probably lose some of their powers if they push this too far.

It was created because two people were feuding over tax returns and one of them was the Secretary of the Treasury who had the power to look all up in them tax returns, but the other guy couldn't see his. So Congress put an end to that right quick.

The creation of the law was for just as petty reasons as there are right now.

[Tgo01]

It was created because two people were feuding over tax returns and one of them was the Secretary of the Treasury who had the power to look all up in them tax returns, but the other guy couldn't see his. So Congress put an end to that right quick.

The creation of the law was for just as petty reasons as there are right now.

All the more reason the courts would strike that law down, which is why Democrats wouldn't want to go down that road.

[Gelston]

All the more reason the courts would strike that law down, which is why Democrats wouldn't want to go down that road.

I highly doubt they'd strike down a law that removes taxation oversight from the House, Senate, and Joint committees on taxes.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm pretty sure I do. I criticized him back in 2016 over it, especially because of his super shady excused he used. I think it should be a law that candidates for US gov should be required to disclose the previous 6 years of their taxes.

To what end? I'd get it if it was before the election, and was used to shut up people who thought he had financial obligations to foreign countries... but after 2+ years of an unfettered investigation, at this point it's only meant to further degrade him and will have literally no affect on his being president.

[Tgo01]

I highly doubt they'd strike down a law that removes taxation oversight from the House, Senate, and Joint committees on taxes.

At least as far as the president they probably would. Congress has broad oversight powers but not unlimited oversight powers. Democrats would be fools to test this in the courts and watch as their oversight powers diminish.

[Gelston]

At least as far as the president they probably would. Congress has broad oversight powers but not unlimited oversight powers. Democrats would be fools to test this in the courts and watch as their oversight powers diminish.

No, I doubt they'd even do it as far as the President. Checks and balances and all. The President can look at every single one of their tax returns.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I highly doubt they'd strike down a law that removes taxation oversight from the House, Senate, and Joint committees on taxes.

Agreed, it's a good law. Generally I agree in disclosing tax returns for presidential candidates, simply to negate or bring to light their financial obligations and ties.

[Candor]

To what end? I'd get it if it was before the election, and was used to shut up people who thought he had financial obligations to foreign countries... but after 2+ years of an unfettered investigation, at this point it's only meant to further degrade him and will have literally no affect on his being president.

Don't forget the 2020 election. The Democrats know that Trump has a good chance to win a second term (you wouldn't know that by listening to most news networks or late night comedy shows, but it's true). Democrats are looking for anything they can find to try to prevent that from happening.

[Parkbandit]

Agreed, it's a good law. Generally I agree in disclosing tax returns for presidential candidates, simply to negate or bring to light their financial obligations and ties.

That is already done and in far greater depth as each nominee is required BY LAW to fill out and submit.

Here's the thing though.. they don't care about that. They want to attempt to find something, anything in the tax returns that will embarrass the President.

Democrats are desperate.

[Androidpk]

To what end? I'd get it if it was before the election, and was used to shut up people who thought he had financial obligations to foreign countries... but after 2+ years of an unfettered investigation, at this point it's only meant to further degrade him and will have literally no affect on his being president.

The real question is why do you care that people want to know if the POTUS has financial debts to foreign governments governments?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The real question is why do you care that people want to know if the POTUS has financial debts to foreign governments governments?

I think it is a waste of time and money to do something which significant time and resource has already been spent doing. Surely you realize these things have been looked at, right?

[Methais]

I'd ask you to show a source saying no one cares about his tax returns but we all know you can't provide it.

Pretty sure he meant no one who isn't an unhinged butthurt retard like you.

[Methais]

I'm pretty sure I do. I criticized him back in 2016 over it, especially because of his super shady excused he used. I think it should be a law that candidates for US gov should be required to disclose the previous 6 years of their taxes.

Lucky for you you'll never have to worry about tax returns since it requires having a job.

[Parkbandit]

The real question is why do you care that people want to know if the POTUS has financial debts to foreign governments governments?

Protip: You don't get that information from a tax return. You're being played because you're stupid.

[Parkbandit]

I think it is a waste of time and money to do something which significant time and resource has already been spent doing. Surely you realize these things have been looked at, right?

The Daily Beast told him it's important.. therefore he believes it.

[Stumplicker]

I'm sure Mueller's investigation didn't cover whether or not Trump had any financial obligations to Russia. It was very brief and not terribly thorough. Clearly we need to continue beating this dead horse until something that can be squinted at really hard and called a scandal pops out. Poundsign ReallyObviousSarcasm for anyone deaf to that sort of thing.

[sellstuff1]

Trump Is Just the Symptom. The Republican Party Is a Disease Eating Away Our Democracy. (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-is-just-the-symptom-the-republican-party-is-a-disease-eating-away-our-democracy)

[Gelston]

Trump Is Just the Symptom. The Republican Party Is a Disease Eating Away Our Democracy. (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-is-just-the-symptom-the-republican-party-is-a-disease-eating-away-our-democracy)

Nobody wants to read your retarded daily beast opinion articles.

[~Rocktar~]

Trump Is Just the Symptom. The Republican Party Is a Disease Eating Away Our Democracy. (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-is-just-the-symptom-the-republican-party-is-a-disease-eating-away-our-democracy)


https://youtu.be/pWdd6_ZxX8c


Nobody wants to read your retarded daily beast opinion articles.

This is correct.

[Methais]

At least as far as the president they probably would. Congress has broad oversight powers but not unlimited oversight powers. Democrats would be fools to test this in the courts and watch as their oversight powers diminish.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Trump's tax returns are fine and he's just continuing to set the stage for democrats to make themselves look like massive retards for the 4587329042nd time if/when they get their way and then there's nothing noteworthy in his returns. Then Trump can just coast through 2020 on witch hunt/butthurt and we'll get to watch pk's meltdowns increase exponentially until he decides he's going to take action and try to have his pretend pro-bono lawyer subpoena Trump because Trump caused his feelings to get hurt on a 30 year old text game forum.

[Parkbandit]

Trump Is Just the Symptom. The Republican Party Is a Disease Eating Away Our Democracy. (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-is-just-the-symptom-the-republican-party-is-a-disease-eating-away-our-democracy)

LOL..

The Daily Beast....

Dude... stop...

[Stumplicker]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Trump's tax returns are fine and he's just continuing to set the stage for democrats to make themselves look like massive retards for the 4587329042nd time if/when they get their way and then there's nothing noteworthy in his returns. Then Trump can just coast through 2020 on witch hunt/butthurt and we'll get to watch pk's meltdowns increase exponentially until he decides he's going to take action and try to have his pretend pro-bono lawyer subpoena Trump because Trump caused his feelings to get hurt on a 30 year old text game forum.

It doesn't take legitimate concerns for stupid people to make loud noises about things. Trump's tax returns are probably fine, because if they weren't the IRS would flip the fuck out. Obama's birth certificate being released didn't stop idiots from poring over it to call it a fake for an entire decade. One piece of paper. 10 years of idiocy. Imagine how much stupid bullshit would come from what could be like a 300 page document, considering all of Trump's businesses.

Those things don't get released because legitimate or fake, good or bad, idiots will find something to scream about. Loudly and at length. You might recognize this as Androidpk's entire personality.

[Methais]

Trump Is Just the Symptom. The Republican Party Is a Disease Eating Away Our Democracy. (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-is-just-the-symptom-the-republican-party-is-a-disease-eating-away-our-democracy)

Cool opinion piece from thedailybeast.

gg being a massive gaylord focker

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

It doesn't take legitimate concerns for stupid people to make loud noises about things. Trump's tax returns are probably fine, because if they weren't the IRS would flip the fuck out. Obama's birth certificate being released didn't stop idiots from poring over it to call it a fake for an entire decade. One piece of paper. 10 years of idiocy. Imagine how much stupid bullshit would come from what could be like a 300 page document, considering all of Trump's businesses.

Those things don't get released because legitimate or fake, good or bad, idiots will find something to scream about. Loudly and at length. You might recognize this as Androidpk's entire personality.

My tax return is about 70 printed pages. I would imagine Trump's personal returns are inline with what you suggest. I cannot imagine what his business returns look like.

[Methais]

legitimate or fake, good or bad, idiots will find something to scream about. Loudly and at length. You might recognize this as Androidpk's entire personality.

This is correct.

[Androidpk]

I think it is a waste of time and money to do something which significant time and resource has already been spent doing. Surely you realize these things have been looked at, right?

That's all you've got? Weak.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

That's all you've got? Weak.

Bro do you even lift?

<<<< flexes >>>>

[Androidpk]

Bro do you even lift?

<<<< flexes >>>>

I squat more often than a Russian.

[Parkbandit]

I squat more often than a Russian.

Wrong squat.

He's talking about lifting.. not living rent free on someone else's dime.

[Methais]

Wrong squat.

He's talking about lifting.. not living rent free on someone else's dime.

:lol:

[Gelston]

I squat more often than a Russian.

You decided to be an journalist in the Air Force. That is the minimum level of doing shit. You call Kuwait a deployment. You're a giant pussy.

[Androidpk]

You decided to be an journalist in the Air Force. That is the minimum level of doing shit. You call Kuwait a deployment. You're a giant pussy.

I didn't decide to be a journalist and I was never in Kuwait and even wrathringer of all people said YOU were too retarded to get anything other than grunt. :lol:

[Methais]

I didn't decide to be a journalist and I was never in Kuwait and even wrathringer of all people said YOU were too retarded to get anything other than grunt. :lol:

There's a 100% chance that WB still thinks you're 47832094237402x more retarded than Gelston.

The reason for this is because you're 47832094237402x than anyone on here except maybe backstuff1. You're only 47832094237401x more retarded than them.

[ClydeR]

The New York Times somehow obtained transcripts of Trump's tax returns for 1985 through 1994. The IRS releases anonymous statistics each year regarding high income taxpayers. Comparing Trump's tax information to the anonymous statistics shows that during that time period, Trump lost more money than any other person in the country.


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/07/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

The information came from someone who was legally entitled to have it. But you can bet that person wasn't legally entitled to give it to the Times. Will Trump try to find that person? Well, if it is fake news, then no crime was committed because, as we all know very well, it is not a crime to lie to the public and press. But if the leaked transcripts are true, then it was a crime.

What is a "transcript", you probably want to know. The IRS explains it at https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/how-to-get-tax-transcripts-and-copies-of-tax-returns-from-the-irs

[Parkbandit]

The New York Times somehow obtained transcripts of Trump's tax returns for 1985 through 1994. The IRS releases anonymous statistics each year regarding high income taxpayers. Comparing Trump's tax information to the anonymous statistics shows that during that time period, Trump lost more money than any other person in the country.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/07/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

The information came from someone who was legally entitled to have it. But you can bet that person wasn't legally entitled to give it to the Times. Will Trump try to find that person? Well, if it is fake news, then no crime was committed because, as we all know very well, it is not a crime to lie to the public and press. But if the leaked transcripts are true, then it was a crime.

What is a "transcript", you probably want to know. The IRS explains it at https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/how-to-get-tax-transcripts-and-copies-of-tax-returns-from-the-irs

You're still so upset and triggered.

Good.

[Neveragain]

The New York Times somehow obtained transcripts of Trump's tax returns for 1985 through 1994. The IRS releases anonymous statistics each year regarding high income taxpayers. Comparing Trump's tax information to the anonymous statistics shows that during that time period, Trump lost more money than any other person in the country.


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/07/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

The information came from someone who was legally entitled to have it. But you can bet that person wasn't legally entitled to give it to the Times. Will Trump try to find that person? Well, if it is fake news, then no crime was committed because, as we all know very well, it is not a crime to lie to the public and press. But if the leaked transcripts are true, then it was a crime.

What is a "transcript", you probably want to know. The IRS explains it at https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/how-to-get-tax-transcripts-and-copies-of-tax-returns-from-the-irs

Why do you care about Trumps tax returns from 25 years ago?

It's really, really weird. Like, obsessive weird.

It does bring to question, what does an illegal aliens tax return look like?

[Alfster]

I'd guess that illegal alien paid the same amount of taxes as Trump. Other than that, there really isn't a link between the two.

[ClydeR]

It does bring to question, what does an illegal aliens tax return look like?



Yes, that is surely the first question that everybody thought of.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yes, that is surely the first question that everybody thought of.

I didn't really have a question, or care, about his tax returns.

I would, however, like to be able to claim $1B in losses someday. Cause... daaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.

[Neveragain]

I'd guess that illegal alien paid the same amount of taxes as Trump. Other than that, there really isn't a link between the two.

I would imagine not considering Trump probably used his SS# and the illegal is using a stolen SS#.

[Alfster]

I would imagine not considering Trump probably used his SS# and the illegal is using a stolen SS#.

Or in the case of those undocumented workers on Trump's property - they used the SS number given to them by Trump's management team.

I'm not even sure why you're tying these together.

[Methais]

The New York Times somehow obtained transcripts of Trump's tax returns for 1985 through 1994. The IRS releases anonymous statistics each year regarding high income taxpayers. Comparing Trump's tax information to the anonymous statistics shows that during that time period, Trump lost more money than any other person in the country.


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/07/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

The information came from someone who was legally entitled to have it. But you can bet that person wasn't legally entitled to give it to the Times. Will Trump try to find that person? Well, if it is fake news, then no crime was committed because, as we all know very well, it is not a crime to lie to the public and press. But if the leaked transcripts are true, then it was a crime.

What is a "transcript", you probably want to know. The IRS explains it at https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/how-to-get-tax-transcripts-and-copies-of-tax-returns-from-the-irs

Wanna guess how many normal people give a shit?

[Neveragain]

Or in the case of those undocumented workers on Trump's property - they used the SS number given to them by Trump's management team.

I'm not even sure why you're tying these together.

Probably because Democrats have no problems with illegals using our tax payer funded resources without ever paying taxes but Trump bad because he pays more taxes in a year than most do in a lifetime.

[Alfster]

Probably because Democrats have no problems with illegals using our tax payer funded resources without ever paying taxes but Trump bad because he pays more taxes in a year than most do in a lifetime.

Trump's tax returns from the 80s and 90s don't show what you're claiming. They show massive losses - extreme losses to the point where he claimed he lost more money than any other American during this time frame.

How does that translate to him paying more taxes than anyone else?

Stupid argument. No one truly cares what these say. They're simply being released to embarrass him

[Methais]

Trump's tax returns from the 80s and 90s don't show what you're claiming. They show massive losses - extreme losses to the point where he claimed he lost more money than any other American during this time frame.

How does that translate to him paying more taxes than anyone else?

Stupid argument. No one truly cares what these say. They're simply being released to embarrass him

Didn't Rachel Maddow pull a (mostly) Geraldo with Trump's taxes and then it turned out he paid like $30m in taxes for whatever year that was? I think this happened in 2017 sometime but I'm too lazy to go find it.

[Neveragain]

Trump's tax returns from the 80s and 90s don't show what you're claiming. They show massive losses - extreme losses to the point where he claimed he lost more money than any other American during this time frame.

How does that translate to him paying more taxes than anyone else?

Stupid argument. No one truly cares what these say. They're simply being released to embarrass him

Actually the stupid argument is the one being made by democrats who want him removed from the 2020 ballots for not producing his tax returns which is not required at all and never has been.

I can without a doubt state that Trump has paid more in taxes than the vast majority of Americans. Just his property taxes alone dwarf that of the average citizen. But hey, 25 years ago............................................... ........................Clinton was banging the intern on the resolute desk. This obviously means Trump pays less taxes than illegals, is a Russian asset and is Hitler incarnate.

Should be noted that Gov. Jerry Brown once vetoed a like bill because Jerry didn't release his taxes.

[Neveragain]

Didn't Rachel Maddow pull a (mostly) Geraldo with Trump's taxes and then it turned out he paid like $30m in taxes for whatever year that was? I think this happened in 2017 sometime but I'm too lazy to go find it.

That doesn't count because....reasons.

[Parkbandit]

Trump's tax returns from the 80s and 90s don't show what you're claiming. They show massive losses - extreme losses to the point where he claimed he lost more money than any other American during this time frame.

How does that translate to him paying more taxes than anyone else?

Stupid argument. No one truly cares what these say. They're simply being released to embarrass him

Between the NY housing crash and the casino failures in Atlantic City.. does any of this surprise you?

You are right though.. they are only being released in an attempt to embarrass him.