Nuclear arms treaty with Russia suspended

[Solkern]

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/02/01/politics/us-russia-nuclear-arms-treaty-pompeo/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fedition.cnn.com%2F

We are all gonna die!

[Androidpk]

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/02/01/politics/us-russia-nuclear-arms-treaty-pompeo/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fedition.cnn.com%2F

We are all gonna die!

In before someone yells at you for using CNN as a source.

[Tgo01]

When is Putin going to buy a new puppet? I think this one is broken.

[Solkern]

When is Putin going to buy a new puppet? I think this one is broken.

Are you referring to me as Putin’s puppet? If you are, well I’ll just say this. Fuck Putin he’s a horrible fucking person

[peam]

Not comforting news, but it's not as scarybad as headlines make it seem as Russia hasn't followed the treaty for years.

I'm sure the defense companies are chomping at the bit to develop some new weapons systems.

[Androidpk]

Are you referring to me as Putin’s puppet? If you are, well I’ll just say this. Fuck Putin he’s a horrible fucking person

Didn't drink the polonium tea today.

[Taernath]

Russia doesn't follow it, China wasn't bound by it. Whole lotta nothing.

[Tgo01]

Are you referring to me as Putin’s puppet? If you are, well I’ll just say this. Fuck Putin he’s a horrible fucking person

I was referring to Trump.

But just how close are you to Putin...

[Solkern]

Not comforting news, but it's not as scarybad as headlines make it seem as Russia hasn't followed the treaty for years.

I'm sure the defense companies are chomping at the bit to develop some new weapons systems.


Russia doesn't follow it, China wasn't bound by it. Whole lotta nothing.

You got proof Russia wasn’t following it, and proof the states were?

[peam]

You got proof Russia wasn’t following it, and proof the states were?

This has been going on since at least the Obama administration. A report was released on it last year: https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/speeches-interviews/item/1923-director-of-national-intelligence-daniel-coats-on-russia-s-inf-treaty-violation Both NATO and policy think tanks have agreed that Russia violated the treaty.

As far as US development, I have no idea. I wouldn't be surprised if we developed weapons in violation of any treaty, but would hope we'd be better than that.

[Astray]

but would hope we'd be better than that.

Ha!

[Solkern]

This has been going on since at least the Obama administration. A report was released on it last year: https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/speeches-interviews/item/1923-director-of-national-intelligence-daniel-coats-on-russia-s-inf-treaty-violation Both NATO and policy think tanks have agreed that Russia violated the treaty.

As far as US development, I have no idea. I wouldn't be surprised if we developed weapons in violation of any treaty, but would hope we'd be better than that.


Thank you for the link

[Methais]

This has been going on since at least the Obama administration. A report was released on it last year: https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/speeches-interviews/item/1923-director-of-national-intelligence-daniel-coats-on-russia-s-inf-treaty-violation Both NATO and policy think tanks have agreed that Russia violated the treaty.

As far as US development, I have no idea. I wouldn't be surprised if we developed weapons in violation of any treaty, but would hope we'd be better than that.

If we are and haven't been caught, then we're already better.

Make America Better Again

[Gelston]

We just need to fully weaponize space already. Nukes are so 20th century.

[RichardCranium]

We just need to fully weaponize space already. Nukes are so 20th century.

Do you want a Death Star? Because that's how you get a Death Star.

[Gelston]

Do you want a Death Star? Because that's how you get a Death Star.

Yes.

[Methais]

We just need to fully weaponize space already. Nukes are so 20th century.

Whatever happened with this?

https://futurism.com/air-force-tech-can-hit-with-the-impact-of-a-nuclear-weapon-with-no-fallout

[Gelston]

Whatever happened with this?

https://futurism.com/air-force-tech-can-hit-with-the-impact-of-a-nuclear-weapon-with-no-fallout

You don't talk about that.

[Taernath]

http://doktortavsiyeniz.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/space-shuttle-door-gunner-space-shuttle-door-gunner-photo-from-yesterdays-training-as-a-space-shuttle-space-shuttle-door-gunner-space-shuttle-door-gunner-t-shirt.jpg

[~Rocktar~]

Whatever happened with this?

https://futurism.com/air-force-tech-can-hit-with-the-impact-of-a-nuclear-weapon-with-no-fallout

Old tech already in use for tanks, ships and some other weapons. As mentioned, rail guns can use it. We already use depleted uranium sabot ammunition in tanks, other anti-tank weapons and in kinetic kill missiles. People have been talking about this kind of weapon since the dawn of possible space flight and before. Now days, with reusable launch vehicles, who says we don't already have them.

On another note, the real issue with the intermediate range missile ban is that the limit was originally 600 miles. Well, pretty much all of Europe and most of America's major cities and military installations are within 600 miles of a coastline and Russian subs could use torpedo tube or cannister launched cruise missiles to reach anywhere they wanted without the need for a missile boat. Russian cities and installations are mostly a lot farther inland than 600 miles so we would have to use ICBM's or bombers to reach them and not cruise missiles. It sounded great at the time and gave all the Democrats and peacenick whiners in Europe warm fuzzies but the rest of us and most of the world knew we got screwed. Kind of like the Iran deal, which they violated less than a year after it's signing by testing ballistic missiles.

We have been hamstrung by shit treaties all in the name of peace and getting along for 50+ years now and we need to get out of them and look after ourselves.

[Solkern]

Russian news claims that America has violated the treaty many many times lol.

[Stumplicker]

Russian news claims that America has violated the treaty many many times lol.

I dunno exactly what that particular treaty entailed, but I know the US broke the space treaty as early as the 80s when Reagan tried to do his SDI.

[~Rocktar~]

I dunno exactly what that particular treaty entailed, but I know the US broke the space treaty as early as the 80s when Reagan tried to do his SDI.

No we didn't, we did a lot of development and testing of things as individual technologies that never flew in space.

[Ardwen]

Apparently Russia is developing a nuke submarine drone that explodes in shallow coastal waters to cause radioactive tsunamis, sounds fun!

[Taernath]

Anytime Russia brags about a new weapon system they've developed, take it with a kilo of salt.

[Astray]

Da, we have many submarine. They all go BOOM next to capitalist scum.

CYKA BLYAT

[Taernath]

Russia is the national embodiment of a kid that claims their dad works at Nintendo.

[Solkern]

Anytime Russia brags about a new weapon system they've developed, take it with a kilo of salt.


Can’t agree more. Most of the shit they brag about doesn’t work. It’s a long running joke between Russians.
One military parade they did, there New tank or whatever broke down during the parade, another time they had another vehicle actually pulling a new tank or whatever with cables.

[Solkern]

It’s also funny, every male in Russia must join the military, it consist of them picking up a tree log, moving it to another place... then moving it back... 2 years of that. They don’t learn shit

[Taernath]

Can’t agree more. Most of the shit they brag about doesn’t work. It’s a long running joke between Russians.
One military parade they did, there New tank or whatever broke down during the parade, another time they had another vehicle actually pulling a new tank or whatever with cables.

Oh the Armata? I heard it was because the driver didn't know how to release the parking brake or something. That sounds like a quintessential enlisted thing, I believe that one.

[Stumplicker]

It’s also funny, every male in Russia must join the military, it consist of them picking up a tree log, moving it to another place... then moving it back... 2 years of that. They don’t learn shit

Um, I challenge that assertion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIqr94NDeTE

Equally as useful as most other skills.

[Solkern]

Um, I challenge that assertion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIqr94NDeTE

Equally as useful as most other skills.


If I remember right, that's not the military, you can actually buy old tanks as a civilian in Russia. I'm pretty sure that's just some dude that bought a tank and is fucking around with it.

[Stumplicker]

If I remember right, that's not the military, you can actually buy old tanks as a civilian in Russia. I'm pretty sure that's just some dude that bought a tank and is fucking around with it.

I disagree. That is a Russian military flying tank prototype. It just didn't get a lot of air because they didn't engage the jet boosters. When the driver isn't drunk, they fly like Gundam suits. Luckily, I mean...it's Russia, so that's never gonna happen.

[Solkern]

I disagree. That is a Russian military flying tank prototype. It just didn't get a lot of air because they didn't engage the jet boosters. When the driver isn't drunk, they fly like Gundam suits. Luckily, I mean...it's Russia, so that's never gonna happen.

You're are right, my mistake... They also didn't deploy the retractable Pterodactyl wings.

[Stumplicker]

You're are right, my mistake... They also didn't deploy the retractable Pterodactyl wings.

That's true! That would have engaged the stealth mode, because everybody knows that with Pterodactyls, the pee is silent. So you can pee out all that vodka and not be seen by the enemy.

[Taernath]

That's true! That would have engaged the stealth mode, because everybody knows that with Pterodactyls, the pee is silent. So you can pee out all that vodka and not be seen by the enemy.

https://i.imgur.com/ejQ44Y7.jpg

[Methais]

That's true! That would have engaged the stealth mode, because everybody knows that with Pterodactyls, the pee is silent. So you can pee out all that vodka and not be seen by the enemy.

Your jokes are bad and you should feel bad.

[Gelston]

Going off what Solkern is saying, we, the West, has a different approach to military. In the Eastern (Russian/Chinese-based) militaries, all power resides at the officer level. They have Sergeants, but those guys aren't equivalent to a Sgt in a Western force. They are closer to privates that get paid more. Only officers make decisions there, so except in elite forces, their enlisted aren't required to be smart or know anything above very, very low level tactics.

[Solkern]

Going off what Solkern is saying, we, the West, has a different approach to military. In the Eastern (Russian/Chinese-based) militaries, all power resides at the officer level. They have Sergeants, but those guys aren't equivalent to a Sgt in a Western force. They are closer to privates that get paid more. Only officers make decisions there, so except in elite forces, their enlisted aren't required to be smart or know anything above very, very low level tactics.


I completely agree and it also goes much deeper than that as well, here's a small excerpt from an extremely excellent read, it's about China, but the same could be same about Russia

https://warisboring.com/the-chinese-military-is-a-paper-dragon/

In March, police detained Xu Caihou, a retired general and former member of the powerful Central Military Commission, on allegations he made millions of dollars selling military ranks. Xu was in charge of high-level army promotions from 2004 to 2013.

We don’t know exactly how much money Xu made. However, the general’s subordinate Gu Junshan—who is also in custody and under investigation—gave Xu’s daughter a debit card worth $3.2 million as a wedding gift.

Gu reportedly sold “hundreds” of military ranks. “If a senior colonel [not in line for promotion] wanted to become a major general, he had to pay up to $4.8 million,” a source told Reuters.

That’s a lot of money. In most professional militaries, such bribes wouldn’t be worth it. But in the PLA, a payoff like that is an investment. The higher an officer’s rank, the greater the opportunities for self-enrichment.

Daniel Hartnett, a China analyst at CNA Corporation, told War Is Boring that corruption could damage the PLA’s military capabilities, not the least by “hinder[ing] the PLA’s ability to develop its officer corps.”

“If officers are purchasing promotions, as recent allegations have claimed, it could mean that those who should be promoted due to merit might not be. And those that are being promoted, shouldn’t necessarily be,” Hartnett said.

[Gelston]

I completely agree and it also goes much deeper than that as well, here's a small excerpt from an extremely excellent read, it's about China, but the same could be same about Russia

https://warisboring.com/the-chinese-military-is-a-paper-dragon/

In March, police detained Xu Caihou, a retired general and former member of the powerful Central Military Commission, on allegations he made millions of dollars selling military ranks. Xu was in charge of high-level army promotions from 2004 to 2013.

We don’t know exactly how much money Xu made. However, the general’s subordinate Gu Junshan—who is also in custody and under investigation—gave Xu’s daughter a debit card worth $3.2 million as a wedding gift.

Gu reportedly sold “hundreds” of military ranks. “If a senior colonel [not in line for promotion] wanted to become a major general, he had to pay up to $4.8 million,” a source told Reuters.

That’s a lot of money. In most professional militaries, such bribes wouldn’t be worth it. But in the PLA, a payoff like that is an investment. The higher an officer’s rank, the greater the opportunities for self-enrichment.

Daniel Hartnett, a China analyst at CNA Corporation, told War Is Boring that corruption could damage the PLA’s military capabilities, not the least by “hinder[ing] the PLA’s ability to develop its officer corps.”

“If officers are purchasing promotions, as recent allegations have claimed, it could mean that those who should be promoted due to merit might not be. And those that are being promoted, shouldn’t necessarily be,” Hartnett said.

I was on a MiTT in Iraq, we trained the Iraqi Army. They were completely based off the Soviet Army. I remember once telling an Iraqi MSgt that a ditch needed to be dug behind their mess hall because the water and suds and crap would pool up and become stagnant. He went and started digging it himself. The idea of an enlisted guy delegating in their Army is completely foreign.

[Parkbandit]

It’s also funny, every male in Russia must join the military, it consist of them picking up a tree log, moving it to another place... then moving it back... 2 years of that. They don’t learn shit

But when they get out, they are prepared for the lumber industry.

Or the moving industry.